Couple corrections that I'll update as I learn them: 18:06 - You can see out of fog walls (if the colored side is facing you) but not into them (if the black and white side is facing you)
Holy shit totally, you’re so welcome! Will be adding more as soon as I can, really looking forward to providing more value. Welcome to MOBAS! This is a GREAT moba to get involved with, coming from someone with 10,000+ hours in Dota. Good luck and have fun :)))
You're wrong about the veils/fog walls. You CAN see heroes and troopers outside of them but only from slightly colored side. the black and white side fully obscures vision
@@outlaw_logic yeah I like to "run away" through them and then turn around and fight. They literally can't see you so it turns things around more often than not.
One of my best moments so far is, as the only one alive, guarding the rejuvenator buff from 4 enemies with nothing except my 18 second viscous ult until one of my teammates respawned, rushed to boss, and landed the heavy
If the enemy laner is being harassed enough (so they cant melee creeps but must stay behind cover) I don't like to take the jungle camp unless they are forced out of lane. denying creeps is more valuable in my opinion since you not only get equivalent souls but the enemy LOSES that amount. I also don't agree with shoving the waves early, I feel you should wait until you have like a 1k soul advantage over the enemy for the same reason. It is so much easier to deny if the wave is on your side also its easier to take last hits under tower (unlike most mobas). at 10 minutes though you should be shoving to rotate and take as many guardians in every lane you can.
I think shoving waves early is extremely valuable if you have consistent ways to poke the enemy, reason being Guardian are pretty bad, you don't take aggro for shooting or hitting the enemy, they take a lot of time to kill Minions and there are not many point you can be "safe" from poke under Guardian so by pushing the waves you force your opponent to either last hit or respond/Hide from you harrass and you can stack up Souls advantage pretty fast, of course you can't Always do that It's match up dependant but if you have the poke advantage i see no reason to not do it
@@Aron26_2 The left and right cover to the guardian is op op and if you are ahead in lane you won't even be behind tower much, more playing from the left and right to try and attack your lane opponent who is pushed up. This denies them last hits entirely. You just need 1 kill and their guardian loses half their HP. You can use a bit of your guardians HP as a resource for winning your lane. Also you have a height advantage when at your guardian. In shooters having the high ground means more of your headshots will hit than your enemy who is aiming UP at you. If you are losing lane don't let yourself get pushed to guardian though. That's game over. I am talking about strategically manipulating the wave to get a farming advantage when you are ahead. not unlike freezing your lane in LoL or dota.
I've found this to not be true. Melee is the best way to secure. But the other factors are bullet velocity and who's soul it is. Securing a soul is easier than denying. Standing next to you minions doesn't give you nearly as much of an advantage as just trying to poke or meleeing their minions to secure the wave faster.
52:10 she was crouch spamming and trying to not get headshotted. You'll see good players do it a lot in a shootout. 58:20 the only silly thing here is that she's using it on a medium camp. Ginnis is just like Seven where she's one of the few characters that can take hard camps at 7 minutes by ulting them.
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Couple corrections that I'll update as I learn them:
18:06 - You can see out of fog walls (if the colored side is facing you) but not into them (if the black and white side is facing you)
Something else to point out is the lack of wall jumping.
It's kinda tricky, but it costs no stamina. Great for getting to higher places.
love long form vids like these.I'm trying to get better at this game, it's my first moba so I'm starting nearly from ground 0. Thanks for the guide
Holy shit totally, you’re so welcome! Will be adding more as soon as I can, really looking forward to providing more value. Welcome to MOBAS! This is a GREAT moba to get involved with, coming from someone with 10,000+ hours in Dota. Good luck and have fun :)))
literally what i'm looking for, cheers big boi
Glad it was helpful!!
I'm so happy I found this video, and it's only 3k views (sorry not sorry)
Great work, this is an amazing collection of information
My pleasure!! More to come :)
The world would be a better place if every new player saw this
Let's pray the Algo does us all a solid :P
Ok i am
You're wrong about the veils/fog walls. You CAN see heroes and troopers outside of them but only from slightly colored side. the black and white side fully obscures vision
That's crazy, thanks for the correction! So many little things like that that I'm just now learning
@@outlaw_logic yeah I like to "run away" through them and then turn around and fight. They literally can't see you so it turns things around more often than not.
@@outlaw_logic yeah if you are ahead in lane it is a fun thing to sit in that little cubby and then jump someone
@@erinzaharris2162 Yeah I've had people do it to me right at the start in favorable matchups as well
One of my best moments so far is, as the only one alive, guarding the rejuvenator buff from 4 enemies with nothing except my 18 second viscous ult until one of my teammates respawned, rushed to boss, and landed the heavy
The adrenaline rush in these situations is unmatched. Sick play
If the enemy laner is being harassed enough (so they cant melee creeps but must stay behind cover) I don't like to take the jungle camp unless they are forced out of lane. denying creeps is more valuable in my opinion since you not only get equivalent souls but the enemy LOSES that amount. I also don't agree with shoving the waves early, I feel you should wait until you have like a 1k soul advantage over the enemy for the same reason. It is so much easier to deny if the wave is on your side also its easier to take last hits under tower (unlike most mobas). at 10 minutes though you should be shoving to rotate and take as many guardians in every lane you can.
I think shoving waves early is extremely valuable if you have consistent ways to poke the enemy, reason being Guardian are pretty bad, you don't take aggro for shooting or hitting the enemy, they take a lot of time to kill Minions and there are not many point you can be "safe" from poke under Guardian so by pushing the waves you force your opponent to either last hit or respond/Hide from you harrass and you can stack up Souls advantage pretty fast, of course you can't Always do that It's match up dependant but if you have the poke advantage i see no reason to not do it
@@Aron26_2 The left and right cover to the guardian is op op and if you are ahead in lane you won't even be behind tower much, more playing from the left and right to try and attack your lane opponent who is pushed up. This denies them last hits entirely. You just need 1 kill and their guardian loses half their HP. You can use a bit of your guardians HP as a resource for winning your lane.
Also you have a height advantage when at your guardian. In shooters having the high ground means more of your headshots will hit than your enemy who is aiming UP at you.
If you are losing lane don't let yourself get pushed to guardian though. That's game over. I am talking about strategically manipulating the wave to get a farming advantage when you are ahead. not unlike freezing your lane in LoL or dota.
Love this!
very in depth guide, ty!
My pleasure!
Hey You Are back!
Enjoying Deadlock atm and missed making videos a little! :) Hope you're well
@@outlaw_logic Hope you able to feel good to play Dota again, its always up & down, no problem at all. Enjoy Deadlock!
Good info. But your rapid mouse movement/tapid zooming is really hard to watch jsyk
Thanks for the feedback!
Where did your Dota videos go :(?
I quit the game because it was unhealthy for me and don't wanna get sucked back into it.
If you're looking for a specific video though, I'd be happy to link you
@@outlaw_logic
Same, not the video part, just the mental health part
@@iuric.528 Yeah, it's a thing unfortunately. Dota's one hell of a drug
One Thing if your lane is pushed ure closer to ure enemys and deny easier, just bc ure closer so bullets are faster
Ure?
I've found this to not be true. Melee is the best way to secure. But the other factors are bullet velocity and who's soul it is. Securing a soul is easier than denying. Standing next to you minions doesn't give you nearly as much of an advantage as just trying to poke or meleeing their minions to secure the wave faster.
52:10 she was crouch spamming and trying to not get headshotted. You'll see good players do it a lot in a shootout.
58:20 the only silly thing here is that she's using it on a medium camp. Ginnis is just like Seven where she's one of the few characters that can take hard camps at 7 minutes by ulting them.
38:53
LOL I thought about editing it out but thought 'nahhh, no one will point this out.' RUclips comments prove me wrong yet again :P