The game needs new enemy types, the illuminate, and new battlenfronts. Im dying to play on a city ruin map and actually feel like im retaking a planet instead of fighting for some barely settled plot of wilderness.
It doesn’t even need this, The grind just needs to be worth it and actually fun, 8 hours for the new ship upgrades, 8 hours for 8% less explosive drop off damage? Get the fuck out
I really get that but generating entire cities is wayyy more complicated and difficult than creating simple terrain, if that happens I doubt it will be in the near future. And creating an entire new faction also ain't that easy, especially when you're still doing smaller content drops
@TheJestersDoorhey braindead specimen, while you're saying "don't listen to these videos" mabye you should He said 90% of players on PC, not other platforms And 100k players on playstation isn't thriving lmao, compared to other games and loosing 90% of the pc players, it's a total failure
People over exgerrate dead games, Helldivers isn't dead... it still as an active player base, and great gameplay. We see this happen to almost all games now. You can't expect people to play the same game consisently all the time. Helldivers did have a few drawbacks though, considering what sony did.
Al’s big Junie you should know that they are a one hundred developer team and trying to do they best they are and also you should use new weakens and try stuff out and not be use what other people have the point is is to try new stuff
@@litobrigante1413 They buffed all the assault rifles (most notably the tenderizer with a huge damage buff), buffed eruptor so it 2 taps devastators (3 taps the heavy ones through their shield), making it one of the best weapons again, buffed the damage of marksman rifles, buffed the crossbow so it was a faster/easier to aim version of the eruptor for bug holes/fabricators, buffed underused stratagems, and now today just buffed stratagems even more with new ship upgrades...
Its sad that people take genuinely good and different mechanics and take it to a new hight,get complain about the game and forget what made the game good in the first place.people just seem to forget whats good after the first hundred hour playtime on games.
@@Singularitytwnobody forgot, yall mfs are dickriding this game so hard. They legit break the game every time they add a patch, they nerf weapons that cost MONEY to get or hours of grinding. While making the enemies tougher
tbh 40k is still pretty chillin. I can still get on every other day and get a lobby almost instantly. I hope it becomes a game that has a long maybe small community : D
If you have crossplay on it’s alive and well. For some reason many PC gamers are just extremely petty and hate on games for the stupidest reasons, majority of the playerbase is on console anyways so it’s whatever.
@@Settiis bro what 😅 I play on PC and my friend group does as well. We have never met someone who doesnt like playing with cross platform on in helldivers... maybe in a game like COD because of the extra tools you get (which is only a problem for most when its pvp, not pve) I think your just swinging at the air with this one
@@FOUR22 No bro that’s not what I meant, I’m saying that many PC gamers like to give games bad reviews for XYZ reason. Like Helldivers 2 isn’t dying in the slightest, even though the steam charts make it seem like that because the PC audience apparently has some issue with the game. I wasn’t personally attacking you or talking about crossplay.
@@TheJestersDoormay I add I hate how people only use one source of data and they just run with it. For example a lot of people use steam player count and somehow think HD2 has only 48k players and considered it a dead game or it's the whole picture ? They don't even consider how tons of other players are also in PlayStation as well
For me it had four reasons: -the nerfs of the weapons -the PSN drama -a small portion of the community that have an IQ as the number of particles in a vacuum -the patrol changes Edit: great video btw.
A Fifth reason: the current war system feels like you're doing nothing. Yeah malevolon creek was fun but each planet being the same and when captured gets taken back by the enemy within days. People kind of got sick of fighting over the same planets for months. Doesn't help that half the playerbase only fights one enemy and not very well.
@@ThatSpecificIndividual agreed, they have reused major orders such as killing 1 billion terminids for e710 or just "take these 3 planets", and the major orders have become less frequent. before it was every several days or so and now its every week or two.
@@ThatSpecificIndividualLiterally fighting for a planet for weeks even a month and then it gets taken in a few days again. It’s just too repetitive after some time.
still around 60k total players console + pc included, i still have no problem finding games at all, if you truly enjoy this game theres always people going to play it no matter what
@@therealspoon69no it isn’t you absolute oaf. Basically every game loses 90% from peak over a period of 6 months. Also, you are only playing with 3 other people at a time. Tell me, how is having ‘only’ 39,996 other people playing negatively affecting you or the game?
@@Slim_MantisLike it already has? I get it, the real meat-riders don’t get tired of the same shit over and over again but the rest of us with more than two brain cells would like to see something other than reskinned weapons to stay entertained
true the release was just at the right time where no new good games were released and people are looking for something new to play. but it would be nice if they kept up with the demand and hired new people to push more content for people to play.
@@zenlesszonezerochannel No it wouldn't of. Employing the amount of staff to meet such demand is both a logistical and development nightmare. It'd literally just serve to sabotage the entire project as more people than the literal studio would have to be taught how to even operate the game engine, let alone suddenly communicate effectively enough between each other to provide efficient developmental pipelines and not step on each other's toes.
@@tristanstebbens1358 they shouldve just pushed their already existing dev team to create better gameplay, the game was good, but its repetitive as hell now, no new REAL content for ages.
It’s an undeniable fact that all live service games will die someday, some just die slower than others. Which is why I refuse to play a live service game that i have to pay for
@@slappyjo1046fr 40,000 players is still a lot and that’s only on steam probably closer to 100k when you add ps players if it ever comes to Xbox the hype will go right back up
The game has been teasing the Illuminate for way too long. Having only two factions to fight against got boring. Also like you said the nerfs were ridiculous. Instead of figuring out why players liked a specific gun and maybe adding flavor to other guns, they'd nerf it to bring it in-line with other less popular guns. Wut? I still occasionally play with IRL friends but I won't be back consistently until they introduce the Illuminate.
@nahfr. Well yeah, that's how games like this go. People hop back in for new content. I just think it was a mistake to launch with only two enemy factions and then to tease the third for so long. I'll still check it out but it'd have been better for the game for the black hole event to lead straight to the new faction rather than whatever is going on now.
Its inane man. Love the game but the community takes all criticism as hate and gets mad. This game has a lot of untapped potential, and a lot of things that have gotten fixed are a result of people criticizing it
I don't interact with the community i am on my own with friends and not caring about what other people think about the nerfs and everything else is nice
Yooo people still play that? Holy I need to get on. I played this back on Xbox it was one of my favorites. Thanks for your random comment. Made my day dude
Left 4 dead has a player base of 20k after YEARS of its lifespan because it’s a MASTERPIECE that has LOTS to offer. Replay value. Give hell divers 2 the same years as left 4 dead and I promise you that hell divers 2 will be as dead as a bo3 lobby
its crazy how the first game only ever had a max of 20k people. and now their second game which wasnt ready for the amount of popularity it received, its almost like they never expected to have 400k people to begin with nor were they going to stress themselves about keeping. they got their slab of meat from the gaming community and now its time for the real fans to enjoy the game franchise we love so much
Things that can save the game(possibly): new factions, buff weapons, add a mode with bigger map and bigger team(8 to 12 players) add a city area with some broken vehicles we could take(an idea of a human faction would be interesting but still no pvp) maybe add a light air vehicles for bigger maps, every 6 months have the game go on sale for big updates
The problem with the nerfing is that they nerf way too much. Like guns just aren't allowed to even be decent, outside of some niche ones. And then of course the PSN thing pushed a TON of players away, and on top of that there's just no new big content. They've been teasing vehicles and new factions for months now, and the closest we've gotten to vehicles was the exosuit. The illuminate are supposed to come from meridia, and we have no clue how long it'll take for that to actually happen.
The core gameplay loop is fun. The balance patch made a lot of weapons much better. They have added new mission types that tie into the story. I had stopped playing as I was capped on everything except level, but they have just added in a new set of ship upgrades so I am back playing. The Sony thing was a massive fumble though, HD2 is still unavailable to purchase in 177 countries, though people who did purchase can still play. Not their friends though :(
Are you guys genuinely brainless? It was "hype" that got the game this amount of players in the first place. The game got an obvious loop so the loop got looped and people got bored and the hype died it should not have been that difficult to see this outcome
The thing is, its not a dead game yet, their are reasons to why this is happening, but the community is still growing strong. The reason their is this perception is because of mass youtubers making videos, not knowing what they are talking about, just reading a chart are going by their previous experience with the game. Context goes such a long way, which I respect this video for because you give alot of context. Theirs sooooooo many reasons for this drop off, but I think a lot of it is down to lack of content. Nothing major has happened in a little while and people get bored. Do not get me wrong, I love this game and I like horde style shooters, so its perfect for me. But a lot of people come because its popular, and are so use to flowing content that when they dont get it? they get disinterested. But since its a live service game, and the numbers are dropping, thats what people are calling this out for. I guess they are a small studio, did not expect the huge success to begin with and its taking its toll. I reckon this is just the start. Good video though man!:D
It's also literally just cause its a game man. Even now, its still doing relatively extremely well in the current market. But my point still stands. Most people play a game, have their fun and then move onto the next experience. That's it. Perfectly normal.
To this day I own Helldivers 1 and I wanted to get Helldivers 2 for myself and my GF. Now I can't even get it cause it's not available in my country. Who ever signed off on this at Sony I hope you are fired and homeless. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
After nearly 11 months bg3, a mostly single player game, still has 1/8 of its playerbase, somethings dropping to 1/10…. Meanwhile helldivers 2 after only 5 months as a LIVE service game, has average 1/10 somethings 1/17 of its oh player base
It’s because of the summer, People actually have vacations to do, and unless they put it onto Xbox (the place where people still play during the summer) it probably won’t go back to its OG State.
@@gorgistanojevik3196 actually, you’d be surprised, apparently a lot of gamers still go outside, have gatherings, or have vacations. (I’m one of those vacation ones, plus I’m an Xbox gamer.)
@@Kai-1138 Maybe yeah, where I live it's like 38C outside until its like 20:00 when it goes to around 33C so a lot of people stay in and generally poorer so not many vacations. You're probably right
Considering this was designed around 40k concurrent players total it’s not surprising they didn’t know how to handle over 10 times that amount and especially as a small studio relatively
they should make it where instead of wearing only one type of armor you can wear diffrent helmets, chespeices, arm braces, leggings, etc. and insead of combining passives. combining the armors result in new passives. if you wear all of one armor set then you get the passive it originally comes with.
they should release the illuminates after their 6 weeks vacation, that would be a good way to bring back the community and to make armor in the cutting edge useful. (in my opinion) Helldivers 2 isn't dead, but isn't as popular is it once was. I'll still keep playing even if we don't get a big update soon.
NEW UPDATE COMING AUGUST 6TH ( I think) yeah 90% of games don’t stay 1# forever think of games like pal world and lethal company you won’t have 500k players daily avg just like pal world there where like 2 million players playing and now there’s an average of 40k on paper that’s a huge loss but on a real scale that’s awesome for a game to have 40k players active same with helldivers JOIN THE BATTLE
The PSN issue really affected me and my friends at university. When this game came out, I bought it on day one and was having a blast. I shared it with my friends at uni, and many of my classmates and friends there bought and played the game. After the PSN issue, my friends were disappointed, and most of them dropped the game. Now, there are only about 8 of us still playing (originally 19), and we rarely play it anymore.
I have no problems with fighting the same enemies for months, and the gameplay loop is inspired. I agree that the nerfs were and are ridiculously bad, the balancing was a terrible idea. But my friends and I still love hopping on and fighting for freedom, regardless of little new content.
Genuinely, what do you find inspired about the gameplay loop? Do you really enjoy doing the same 6 missions and killing the same hoards of enemies or does the game give you different missions to run after the first 20 hours?
I think an invasion mode would hit hard. Either taking over a planet massively or defending the planet with an army of helldivers. With everything hd2 has, it would be serious PTSD to be in a massive battlefied
This entire video can be summed up without even watching it: This is literally just the standard of what happens to coop pve games Every single one of them will have a really big launch, and then as people play it on launch, they drop it after a while LITERALLY every PvE game ever, barring a handful of exceptions, does this The most notable of those exceptions being Left 4 Dead and 2. Because they go on sale for piss cheap, and have been out for 20 years now. Every single other one of them does this. It's literally just how the genre works.
Did you guys know that this game anticipated no more that 10,000 players at launch. Meaning this game was originally planned for a smaller community anyway. I think is it stayed around 20,000 players that’s enough plus the game doesn’t need a full player base to continue to play anyway. Still a great game to keep in your back pocket for friends. But I mean if 10,000 players is dead than cod and battlefield have been dead for a long time
Even if 10k players is dead (which is not) cod and battlefield have never died, even if I hurts to say CoD and BF still sell hundreds of thousands of copiens whenever a game launches
Most popular games loose about 90% of their players overtime, this is nothing special. I'd say the fact that its still having about 45k players on pc is actually pretty good still.
Actually the reason is is that people still go outside in summer so a lot of people will come back if not all of them after summer as they travel around the world or spend time with family.
watching the psn incident in real time among friends and over twitter was tremendous to see, the game seemed mad fun I was maybe a few days off of finally convincing myself to throw the $70 at it so I could play another game with the mates... then the fire nation attacked, everyone in my groups stopped playing, game's still going strong at least, there's still time to catch it
40k concurrent players, yeah sure the game is dead lol. Same kind of people saying "The Finals" is dead too cuz it has 15k instead of 200k concurrent on launch. Time passes, people move on, but maintaining 4 digit player counts several months after release is anything but dead.
They really need to listen to players like you those ideas about the armor and cryo-grenades were great! I would start playing again if they implemented it.
I’ll stand on this but I think arrowhead made a fun game by accident. Ever since launch they have been changing the game to what they feel it should be. Helldivers being as fun as it was the first month wasn’t intended. Also their balance team seems to hate fun.
It's like the design philosophy for HD2 has nothing in common with the design philosophy they had during HD1. Direct upgrades are gone, armor customization is now WORSE because your perk is tied to your armor, arguably the only net good with HD2 is that grenades and pistols are now their own slot instead of taking up your one perk slot, which you could otherwise be using for faster health recovery, unlimited sprint, emergency "escape from danger once", etc. ...but they don't capitalize on that because standalone perks in HD2 are oddball things that would've been a direct upgrade to things in HD1, with most of the good perks that are similar to the ones in HD1 being found on armor, again, making the armor customization system worse because it is now build-essential instead of just being cool and whatever you want to wear. It's like the two games have entirely different internal teams or something.
Everyone calm down We've just played it too much and everyone just needs a break from the game It happens to all games you cant play the same game over and over again you know? I have great hopes for the next updates to come to this game :>
I have no problem finding squads 24/7 and the game is still fun. It's just how the hype works atm but the people remaining are really nice and the ones who actually like the game.
And what were the numbers for Suicide squad again ? Helldivers 2 will get better numbers again, devs need a vacation too, many people are talking a break as well. Live service games numbers always varies, but don't way it's over or it's dead.
Using suicide quad as a comparision is not only the peak of copium, but also the biggest prove of failure any game ever had, compare it to bg3, a mostly singelpalyer game with no additional content post lounge, and not only are its numbers dobble that of hd2 offer dobble the time after release, but even compared to its peak numbers 1/8 is better then 1/10
Was going to jump on this game until I heard about weapon nerfs, that gave me blizzard vibes. After that I heard about the Sony account and that's when I and decided to forget this game existed.
When you have to spend 45 minutes just trying to get into a mission without crashing, disconnecting, or having to deal with gamebreaking bugs, it's an abysmal experience no matter how good the gameplay is. It regularly takes them weeks or even months to fix broken content.
@@Crocc101 No, crashing has been a major issue since the game's release. Infinite loading screen is still happening to a lot of people. Interactions are still bugged sometimes. Random crashes or disconnects still happen quite often.
@@Jumbuck1151 i think you need a better pc I literally have a 8 gb ram laptop a never crashed once and my laptop isn't even that good I only got it for like $500
We all knew the game was going to lose players after the hype died down and games tend to have lower player counts in the summer because people tend to do strange things like go outside or go on vacation during the summer. They'll come back up a good bit once winter starts to set in but not to their peak numbers.
As a guy who worked for a Finnish game company. Lemme tell you. They need to get their summer holiday in. They barely get any sun. However. On the other hand. As a person living in China and experiencing the normalized "crunch" for Chinese devs to produce contents to keep up with the players burn rate... It's not sustainable. It really isn't. Several of my friends working in the industry have decided to quit as the normalized crunch burns them out completely and make them unsanitized to any kind of future games.
Eruptor quickly became my GOAT primary and after they nerfed it I began to lose interest. Now I'm resource capped for month, nothing to buy from Warbonds because I don't trust them ever since the Eruptor nerf. Anything I buy that ends up being good will get "balanced". No thanks. Until they put some material in the game for me to spend resources on there's no reason to play.
Clickbait trash like a majority of youtubers. Every game in existence loses a majority of players. Because people can't play the same game for eternity. Helldivers 2 still holds the Playstation record for the fastest selling game ever. Major success and definitely game of the year 2024.
I literally said that what this game is going through isn’t a new thing happens to most games, but they could’ve prevented it. Stop crying just because your favorite game is losing players
@@yvn_youngdexter2741the thing is the most people that stopped playing it daily play it once or twice a week maybe it don’t reaches 400k players daily anymore but still a lot of people play it compared to other games
Helldivers is the only game where all three of my individual friends groups (each one prefers different types of games) played it and was looking for players. Also the railgun nerf really hit home. It was the first shake up, but didn't effect me too much, but I'd remember it. Then more nerfs came.
This I feel is very normal and I might even argue healthy for video games. Peak in player count, find its base players and casual players slowly die out leaving a bunch of people who actually love the game.
I think when it started to really fall off was when Sony decided to suddenly enforce PSN accounts and region lock the game which caused a lot of tension in the community, personally that's when my friends and I (day 1 players and OG helldivers enjoyers) stopped playing.
I realize that it's been said and done for a little while, but I think that the thing that pissed people off about the whole PSN account on PC was that when you first booted it up, they didn't strictly tell you it'd be required later. It was a "link this if you'd like, don't worry if you don't." So, like many others, I skipped past it, and didn't think about it again, it was insane that PS came back and thought to completely dismantle what the community made without a PSN account. The crazy thing was, you could still add friends who were on PC and PS if you didn't have a PSN account. They made it such a big deal for no reason.
I kid you not. yo so weird, i didn't even search for this, and when I was browsing my steam list and I had this thought, and then when I open youtube, this was in recommended
You nailed it on the head. I stopped playing regularly when they nerfed the eruptor and uninstalled the game after they nerfed the quasar (I know it wasn’t much but without anything being buffed, I recognized the trend and just wasn’t having any fun anymore). I’d love to return to this game. The potential for space combat, flying eagle 1 or our command ships, adding city environments, mission types that change mid-mission if you fail part of it… so much potential for this game beyond just “new enemy type/illuminate”. Hope they wake up and realize the gold mine they’re sitting on top of
Don't you dare say something negative on Reddit, criticizing certain aspect of the game, otherwise you would be trashed to oblivion. Asking for quality of life improvements means that you are not happy with the game and you would be instantly downvoted lol. I've stopped playing this game completely due to toxic community.
Weapons are characters. You can't just nerf your weapons to hell when most people are using them, especially in a PVE game. The Railgun was like the Octane from Rocket League.
personally what i think will revive the game: unblock those 177 countries (yes im coping cus i cant play) and a mega update, tons of new stratagems, new weapons that arent super soakers, new enemy types for both factions maybe even the illuminates instead will revive the game as well as unblocking the countries (copium moment)
only reason the game had that many players in the first place was because of the streamers who were paid hype it up and play it for the first week or 2 - like basically every single game does now
I remember that I wanted to buy this game… but then… I got that sense in me that it wasn’t going to be worth it… I literally dodged a bullet by listening to my thoughts.
My friends are way ahead of me and we'd get into a match and all I did was shoot and I had zero clue what was going on otherwise and then my buddies wouldn't explain to me what the objective/plan was other than "just go here". Basically I never could be in an environment where I could learn the game myself. It's just a chore when I play it with friends.
Hd2 is the type of game you boot up after months of not touching it, play it for a few months and then drop it again. The game will never die for real.
Game was fun for a month or 2, then I quickly realized that all I'm gonna get is new weapons and armor and no "end game". Being a Destiny fan and having been spoon fed content, weapons, armor, and lore for years on end I knew Helldivers was going to take a similar turn. It's the same path every multiplayer game takes now: Massive release then spoon fed content to the dedicated player base thus killing off the casuals, making PvP games sweaty and PvE games desolate. When games were on a disc they had to give you all of the content on it otherwise it wouldn't sell, now we get a percentage and the rest through a season pass or DLC.
As PS player for twenty plus’s years now. I was done after the rail gun nerf. Everything this dude is saying is spot on. I’ve also been a gamer for over four decades (nearly as long as gaming has existed) so I know the industry and the current trends in development and that’s why I bailed when the Rail got taken out back and put down like Old Yeller. Because homie don’t play that fk’n game. I did it on principle. Respect.
I think they are doing just fine. I accept that the game can be finished just as a movie is finished in 2-3 hours. Good suggestions and a review of the game's history by the way
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The game needs new enemy types, the illuminate, and new battlenfronts. Im dying to play on a city ruin map and actually feel like im retaking a planet instead of fighting for some barely settled plot of wilderness.
I think what's annoying too is that things like the apc have been done for months but still haven't come out
@@canadiantaxpayer2810 yep
It doesn’t even need this,
The grind just needs to be worth it and actually fun,
8 hours for the new ship upgrades,
8 hours for 8% less explosive drop off damage? Get the fuck out
Maybe some game modes to
I really get that but generating entire cities is wayyy more complicated and difficult than creating simple terrain, if that happens I doubt it will be in the near future. And creating an entire new faction also ain't that easy, especially when you're still doing smaller content drops
It’s a great game but just so frustrating that it’s just a case of “new enemy types are coming…..eventually”.
Reminds me of the 2000 Darktide players that are left waiting.
Maybe be patient
It hasn’t been a year yet christ. WAR takes time.
@@goofyindividual-pl1bdfor real, and not only that but leakers are still ruining games. Leaking models and sounds months before they are even READY.
Its not a free to play game, it doesnt need constant players. They sold a lot of copies so its a success.
I just saw someone in a Helldiver cosplay yesterday and I thought the hype was still alive. Damn
Don't listen to these videos. There was 100k concurrent players yesterday on Playstation alone. The game is thriving.
@@TheJestersDooryeah I was on at like 17:00 and there was 70k on PlayStation
@TheJestersDoorhey braindead specimen, while you're saying "don't listen to these videos" mabye you should
He said 90% of players on PC, not other platforms
And 100k players on playstation isn't thriving lmao, compared to other games and loosing 90% of the pc players, it's a total failure
People over exgerrate dead games, Helldivers isn't dead... it still as an active player base, and great gameplay. We see this happen to almost all games now.
You can't expect people to play the same game consisently all the time. Helldivers did have a few drawbacks though, considering what sony did.
@@Silo-x bruh its not dead, its just not at its peak anymore, 100k on any platform consistently is incredible
They ruined it by nerfing guns and by not adding better guns
Al’s big Junie you should know that they are a one hundred developer team and trying to do they best they are and also you should use new weakens and try stuff out and not be use what other people have the point is is to try new stuff
They undid all the nerfs
@ParisLady15 stop the cap🧢
@@That_lore_guySTOP THE DAMN 🧢🧢🧢
@@litobrigante1413 They buffed all the assault rifles (most notably the tenderizer with a huge damage buff), buffed eruptor so it 2 taps devastators (3 taps the heavy ones through their shield), making it one of the best weapons again, buffed the damage of marksman rifles, buffed the crossbow so it was a faster/easier to aim version of the eruptor for bug holes/fabricators, buffed underused stratagems, and now today just buffed stratagems even more with new ship upgrades...
Still one of my favorite games, despite its many flaws.
Its sad that people take genuinely good and different mechanics and take it to a new hight,get complain about the game and forget what made the game good in the first place.people just seem to forget whats good after the first hundred hour playtime on games.
@@Singularitytwnobody forgot, yall mfs are dickriding this game so hard. They legit break the game every time they add a patch, they nerf weapons that cost MONEY to get or hours of grinding. While making the enemies tougher
This happens to apex legends
same
Same can be said for SF6 for me, but so many things kept me from coming back to both games. It got tedious
@@fizz_time7003 what happened to Apex?
tbh 40k is still pretty chillin. I can still get on every other day and get a lobby almost instantly. I hope it becomes a game that has a long maybe small community : D
15k now......
If you have crossplay on it’s alive and well. For some reason many PC gamers are just extremely petty and hate on games for the stupidest reasons, majority of the playerbase is on console anyways so it’s whatever.
@@Settiis bro what 😅 I play on PC and my friend group does as well. We have never met someone who doesnt like playing with cross platform on in helldivers... maybe in a game like COD because of the extra tools you get (which is only a problem for most when its pvp, not pve) I think your just swinging at the air with this one
@@FOUR22 No bro that’s not what I meant, I’m saying that many PC gamers like to give games bad reviews for XYZ reason. Like Helldivers 2 isn’t dying in the slightest, even though the steam charts make it seem like that because the PC audience apparently has some issue with the game. I wasn’t personally attacking you or talking about crossplay.
@eazy261 it's at 25k Lol the in game counter says 43k wtf r u on about?
“Helldivers 2 has saved gaming!”
Months later…
“Gaming is dying!”
Anyone that says gaming is dying should be considered brain dead. HD2 is a major success even 5 months after launch.
@@TheJestersDoor agreed
@@TheJestersDoormay I add I hate how people only use one source of data and they just run with it. For example a lot of people use steam player count and somehow think HD2 has only 48k players and considered it a dead game or it's the whole picture ? They don't even consider how tons of other players are also in PlayStation as well
@@TheJestersDoorit’s player base will never get back to 400k
Fascinating argument.
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For me it had four reasons:
-the nerfs of the weapons
-the PSN drama
-a small portion of the community that have an IQ as the number of particles in a vacuum
-the patrol changes
Edit: great video btw.
A Fifth reason: the current war system feels like you're doing nothing. Yeah malevolon creek was fun but each planet being the same and when captured gets taken back by the enemy within days.
People kind of got sick of fighting over the same planets for months. Doesn't help that half the playerbase only fights one enemy and not very well.
@@ThatSpecificIndividual agreed, they have reused major orders such as killing 1 billion terminids for e710 or just "take these 3 planets", and the major orders have become less frequent. before it was every several days or so and now its every week or two.
@@ThatSpecificIndividualLiterally fighting for a planet for weeks even a month and then it gets taken in a few days again. It’s just too repetitive after some time.
There's a shit ton of particles in a vacuum...
forgot the reason delisted 177 countries from access to Helldivers 2. We jump together or not at all.
still around 60k total players console + pc included, i still have no problem finding games at all, if you truly enjoy this game theres always people going to play it no matter what
Exactly. Just brain dead cry babies saying the game is dead. It's not
Nope its noe 30k-40k boy watch closely.
@@willieremboboss there were literally 65k players on this past weekend bro, but go off lmao
@@NotFlighttthose are bot accounts
@@supergoat1507 now you’re just coping
40k is still a huge player base. I don't know why people consider games dead if there aren't at least half a million people playing
A 90% drop for a live service game is a disaster lmfao.
@@therealspoon69 Why would that be? will the game become bad? unenjoyable?
@@therealspoon69no it isn’t you absolute oaf. Basically every game loses 90% from peak over a period of 6 months.
Also, you are only playing with 3 other people at a time. Tell me, how is having ‘only’ 39,996 other people playing negatively affecting you or the game?
@@Slim_Mantisyou are trying to talk to an ignoramus; it will not end well
@@Slim_MantisLike it already has? I get it, the real meat-riders don’t get tired of the same shit over and over again but the rest of us with more than two brain cells would like to see something other than reskinned weapons to stay entertained
It’s not dead tbh this was what it was projected to perform on launch before it exploded unexpectedly
true the release was just at the right time where no new good games were released and people are looking for something new to play. but it would be nice if they kept up with the demand and hired new people to push more content for people to play.
@@zenlesszonezerochannel No it wouldn't of. Employing the amount of staff to meet such demand is both a logistical and development nightmare. It'd literally just serve to sabotage the entire project as more people than the literal studio would have to be taught how to even operate the game engine, let alone suddenly communicate effectively enough between each other to provide efficient developmental pipelines and not step on each other's toes.
@@tristanstebbens1358 they shouldve just pushed their already existing dev team to create better gameplay, the game was good, but its repetitive as hell now, no new REAL content for ages.
It’s an undeniable fact that all live service games will die someday, some just die slower than others. Which is why I refuse to play a live service game that i have to pay for
It isn’t even dead
@@slappyjo1046fr 40,000 players is still a lot and that’s only on steam probably closer to 100k when you add ps players if it ever comes to Xbox the hype will go right back up
Yes but this one is a good game, who thinks about this community unlike the others
@@rocketB343s discord wise hell nah and they just nerf everything so i wouldnt claim that
@DarkSlumber the discord doesn't exist don't even think about that discord
The game has been teasing the Illuminate for way too long. Having only two factions to fight against got boring. Also like you said the nerfs were ridiculous. Instead of figuring out why players liked a specific gun and maybe adding flavor to other guns, they'd nerf it to bring it in-line with other less popular guns. Wut? I still occasionally play with IRL friends but I won't be back consistently until they introduce the Illuminate.
Unfortunately thats how it'll be after a few months of luminate
@nahfr. Well yeah, that's how games like this go. People hop back in for new content. I just think it was a mistake to launch with only two enemy factions and then to tease the third for so long. I'll still check it out but it'd have been better for the game for the black hole event to lead straight to the new faction rather than whatever is going on now.
@@2Foot5 dude yeah i thoigh that was what would happen but instead we get 80 filler mo's that last a whole week
For real 😂
It only has been 7 months chill let them cook 💀
Honestly thank you so much for bringing all these problems to light the community is so blinded for some reason the glazing for arrowhead is insane
Its inane man. Love the game but the community takes all criticism as hate and gets mad. This game has a lot of untapped potential, and a lot of things that have gotten fixed are a result of people criticizing it
Fascinating argument.
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I don't interact with the community i am on my own with friends and not caring about what other people think about the nerfs and everything else is nice
@collinkaufman2316 how??? All the coolest weapons get nerved. You don't like cool weapons?
They have been edging us too much with the illuminates and hive lords, to the point where I'm not even hard anymore.
Weak. You can't edge for months and months with no clear climax in sight?
@@-jax-3631 no because sadly i broke my mewing streak, i need to lock in
Is left 4 dead dead? Cause it keeps maintaining those 20k for 10+ years
Left 4 Dead is really good, but 20k compared to the high 450k? It's not "Dead", but nowhere near where it was.
Yooo people still play that? Holy I need to get on. I played this back on Xbox it was one of my favorites. Thanks for your random comment. Made my day dude
I still play it@@pablosnackbar6417
Left 4 dead has a player base of 20k after YEARS of its lifespan because it’s a MASTERPIECE that has LOTS to offer. Replay value.
Give hell divers 2 the same years as left 4 dead and I promise you that hell divers 2 will be as dead as a bo3 lobby
Unpopular opinion but left 4 dead sucks ass
Most viral games get filled with people who will only play it til the new trend comes out 😂
Fascinating argument.
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its crazy how the first game only ever had a max of 20k people. and now their second game which wasnt ready for the amount of popularity it received, its almost like they never expected to have 400k people to begin with nor were they going to stress themselves about keeping. they got their slab of meat from the gaming community and now its time for the real fans to enjoy the game franchise we love so much
i agree
Things that can save the game(possibly): new factions, buff weapons, add a mode with bigger map and bigger team(8 to 12 players) add a city area with some broken vehicles we could take(an idea of a human faction would be interesting but still no pvp) maybe add a light air vehicles for bigger maps, every 6 months have the game go on sale for big updates
I mean we already know they're working on Illuminate and possibly Cyborg later on as well.
"save the game" - brudda its at a perfectly healthy player count what are you on about lol
@@tristanstebbens1358 on pc, not really
The problem with the nerfing is that they nerf way too much. Like guns just aren't allowed to even be decent, outside of some niche ones. And then of course the PSN thing pushed a TON of players away, and on top of that there's just no new big content. They've been teasing vehicles and new factions for months now, and the closest we've gotten to vehicles was the exosuit. The illuminate are supposed to come from meridia, and we have no clue how long it'll take for that to actually happen.
The core gameplay loop is fun. The balance patch made a lot of weapons much better. They have added new mission types that tie into the story. I had stopped playing as I was capped on everything except level, but they have just added in a new set of ship upgrades so I am back playing. The Sony thing was a massive fumble though, HD2 is still unavailable to purchase in 177 countries, though people who did purchase can still play. Not their friends though :(
Are you guys genuinely brainless? It was "hype" that got the game this amount of players in the first place. The game got an obvious loop so the loop got looped and people got bored and the hype died it should not have been that difficult to see this outcome
The thing is, its not a dead game yet, their are reasons to why this is happening, but the community is still growing strong. The reason their is this perception is because of mass youtubers making videos, not knowing what they are talking about, just reading a chart are going by their previous experience with the game. Context goes such a long way, which I respect this video for because you give alot of context. Theirs sooooooo many reasons for this drop off, but I think a lot of it is down to lack of content. Nothing major has happened in a little while and people get bored. Do not get me wrong, I love this game and I like horde style shooters, so its perfect for me. But a lot of people come because its popular, and are so use to flowing content that when they dont get it? they get disinterested. But since its a live service game, and the numbers are dropping, thats what people are calling this out for. I guess they are a small studio, did not expect the huge success to begin with and its taking its toll. I reckon this is just the start. Good video though man!:D
It's also literally just cause its a game man. Even now, its still doing relatively extremely well in the current market. But my point still stands. Most people play a game, have their fun and then move onto the next experience. That's it. Perfectly normal.
@@tristanstebbens1358 exactly man, I make this point on a video I did myself
To this day I own Helldivers 1 and I wanted to get Helldivers 2 for myself and my GF. Now I can't even get it cause it's not available in my country. Who ever signed off on this at Sony I hope you are fired and homeless. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
Great video totally agree, it's good to see a RUclipsr actually talking sense about this game. Keep up the good work 👍
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goddamn. so many points that i never even realised frustrated me. excellent video bro
Oh no 10% of a live service games og playerbase is still here after 6 months what a disaster
They got tired of killing bugs and doing the same objectives
After nearly 11 months bg3, a mostly single player game, still has 1/8 of its playerbase, somethings dropping to 1/10….
Meanwhile helldivers 2 after only 5 months as a LIVE service game, has average 1/10 somethings 1/17 of its oh player base
@@theonesithtorulethemall compare life services to life services man. Most games would kill to keep 10% of their original playerbase.
Cope
Dead game
@@nairbgolden2008 wrong day; escalation of freedom update in like 2 weeks lmao
It’s because of the summer, People actually have vacations to do, and unless they put it onto Xbox (the place where people still play during the summer) it probably won’t go back to its OG State.
YES! Finally someone who who loves Managed democracy and facts as much as me! Here take a resupply! ⬇⬇⬆➡
@@CyberLou ODST has been resupplied, preparing to recruit more to the Xbox cause. The UNSC Thanks you and the rest of the helldivers for your work!
People play more during summer what you on about
@@gorgistanojevik3196 actually, you’d be surprised, apparently a lot of gamers still go outside, have gatherings, or have vacations. (I’m one of those vacation ones, plus I’m an Xbox gamer.)
@@Kai-1138 Maybe yeah, where I live it's like 38C outside until its like 20:00 when it goes to around 33C so a lot of people stay in and generally poorer so not many vacations. You're probably right
Considering this was designed around 40k concurrent players total it’s not surprising they didn’t know how to handle over 10 times that amount and especially as a small studio relatively
they should make it where instead of wearing only one type of armor you can wear diffrent helmets, chespeices, arm braces, leggings, etc. and insead of combining passives. combining the armors result in new passives. if you wear all of one armor set then you get the passive it originally comes with.
the way they old yeller every new DECENT weapon after not even the first week of it's existence is so obnoxious bro
have u ever used the scorcher, incinderiary shotgun or sickle?
they should release the illuminates after their 6 weeks vacation, that would be a good way to bring back the community and to make armor in the cutting edge useful. (in my opinion) Helldivers 2 isn't dead, but isn't as popular is it once was. I'll still keep playing even if we don't get a big update soon.
NEW UPDATE COMING AUGUST 6TH ( I think) yeah 90% of games don’t stay 1# forever think of games like pal world and lethal company you won’t have 500k players daily avg just like pal world there where like 2 million players playing and now there’s an average of 40k on paper that’s a huge loss but on a real scale that’s awesome for a game to have 40k players active same with helldivers JOIN THE BATTLE
The PSN issue really affected me and my friends at university. When this game came out, I bought it on day one and was having a blast. I shared it with my friends at uni, and many of my classmates and friends there bought and played the game. After the PSN issue, my friends were disappointed, and most of them dropped the game. Now, there are only about 8 of us still playing (originally 19), and we rarely play it anymore.
I have no problems with fighting the same enemies for months, and the gameplay loop is inspired. I agree that the nerfs were and are ridiculously bad, the balancing was a terrible idea.
But my friends and I still love hopping on and fighting for freedom, regardless of little new content.
Genuinely, what do you find inspired about the gameplay loop? Do you really enjoy doing the same 6 missions and killing the same hoards of enemies or does the game give you different missions to run after the first 20 hours?
I think an invasion mode would hit hard. Either taking over a planet massively or defending the planet with an army of helldivers. With everything hd2 has, it would be serious PTSD to be in a massive battlefied
This entire video can be summed up without even watching it:
This is literally just the standard of what happens to coop pve games
Every single one of them will have a really big launch, and then as people play it on launch, they drop it after a while
LITERALLY every PvE game ever, barring a handful of exceptions, does this
The most notable of those exceptions being Left 4 Dead and 2. Because they go on sale for piss cheap, and have been out for 20 years now.
Every single other one of them does this. It's literally just how the genre works.
Honestly I think the reason how L4D2 is still alive is because of modding, that actually saves games
Almost all games dip during the summer months, but in general there are cracks beginning to show.
Did you guys know that this game anticipated no more that 10,000 players at launch. Meaning this game was originally planned for a smaller community anyway. I think is it stayed around 20,000 players that’s enough plus the game doesn’t need a full player base to continue to play anyway. Still a great game to keep in your back pocket for friends. But I mean if 10,000 players is dead than cod and battlefield have been dead for a long time
Even if 10k players is dead (which is not) cod and battlefield have never died, even if I hurts to say CoD and BF still sell hundreds of thousands of copiens whenever a game launches
Most popular games loose about 90% of their players overtime, this is nothing special.
I'd say the fact that its still having about 45k players on pc is actually pretty good still.
I mean… 40k is still wild. Dead games barely be pushing 5k players
It’s not a dead game by any means
Actually the reason is is that people still go outside in summer so a lot of people will come back if not all of them after summer as they travel around the world or spend time with family.
bet you arrow head saw this vid since they just added 5 crazy good upgrades to the ship that you can get
watching the psn incident in real time among friends and over twitter was tremendous to see, the game seemed mad fun I was maybe a few days off of finally convincing myself to throw the $70 at it so I could play another game with the mates... then the fire nation attacked, everyone in my groups stopped playing, game's still going strong at least, there's still time to catch it
40k concurrent players, yeah sure the game is dead lol. Same kind of people saying "The Finals" is dead too cuz it has 15k instead of 200k concurrent on launch. Time passes, people move on, but maintaining 4 digit player counts several months after release is anything but dead.
They really need to listen to players like you those ideas about the armor and cryo-grenades were great! I would start playing again if they implemented it.
I’ll stand on this but I think arrowhead made a fun game by accident. Ever since launch they have been changing the game to what they feel it should be. Helldivers being as fun as it was the first month wasn’t intended. Also their balance team seems to hate fun.
It's like the design philosophy for HD2 has nothing in common with the design philosophy they had during HD1.
Direct upgrades are gone, armor customization is now WORSE because your perk is tied to your armor, arguably the only net good with HD2 is that grenades and pistols are now their own slot instead of taking up your one perk slot, which you could otherwise be using for faster health recovery, unlimited sprint, emergency "escape from danger once", etc.
...but they don't capitalize on that because standalone perks in HD2 are oddball things that would've been a direct upgrade to things in HD1, with most of the good perks that are similar to the ones in HD1 being found on armor, again, making the armor customization system worse because it is now build-essential instead of just being cool and whatever you want to wear.
It's like the two games have entirely different internal teams or something.
Being able to control when people STOP playing while having them think they were the ones that made the decision is more valuable than any micro.
Everyone calm down
We've just played it too much and everyone just needs a break from the game
It happens to all games you cant play the same game over and over again you know?
I have great hopes for the next updates to come to this game :>
I have no problem finding squads 24/7 and the game is still fun. It's just how the hype works atm but the people remaining are really nice and the ones who actually like the game.
You didn’t even talk about how liberal their discord moderators are. I got banned for just saying “ I am glad I am not a furry “ to another member
the game just dies while the devs are still feeling good about themselves lmao
Because it’s the same thing, over, and over, and over, and over again. 😂
casually having out of time as background music just screams aura
And what were the numbers for Suicide squad again ? Helldivers 2 will get better numbers again, devs need a vacation too, many people are talking a break as well. Live service games numbers always varies, but don't way it's over or it's dead.
Using suicide quad as a comparision is not only the peak of copium, but also the biggest prove of failure any game ever had, compare it to bg3, a mostly singelpalyer game with no additional content post lounge, and not only are its numbers dobble that of hd2 offer dobble the time after release, but even compared to its peak numbers 1/8 is better then 1/10
@@theonesithtorulethemallseems like a safe place to inform you that it’s spelt “double” my bro 😂 no judgement here
Was going to jump on this game until I heard about weapon nerfs, that gave me blizzard vibes. After that I heard about the Sony account and that's when I and decided to forget this game existed.
When you have to spend 45 minutes just trying to get into a mission without crashing, disconnecting, or having to deal with gamebreaking bugs, it's an abysmal experience no matter how good the gameplay is. It regularly takes them weeks or even months to fix broken content.
That’s a you issue, 400k pc players where not having that issue
@@Crocc101 No, crashing has been a major issue since the game's release. Infinite loading screen is still happening to a lot of people. Interactions are still bugged sometimes. Random crashes or disconnects still happen quite often.
@@Jumbuck1151 no game is bugless, and the most of those where patched ages ago
@@Crocc101 Nope, you are delusional.
@@Jumbuck1151 i think you need a better pc I literally have a 8 gb ram laptop a never crashed once and my laptop isn't even that good I only got it for like $500
We all knew the game was going to lose players after the hype died down and games tend to have lower player counts in the summer because people tend to do strange things like go outside or go on vacation during the summer. They'll come back up a good bit once winter starts to set in but not to their peak numbers.
Wow, the millionth “this game is dead” video on helldivers. It’s doing better now and y’all are just complaining because it makes money
As a guy who worked for a Finnish game company. Lemme tell you. They need to get their summer holiday in. They barely get any sun. However. On the other hand. As a person living in China and experiencing the normalized "crunch" for Chinese devs to produce contents to keep up with the players burn rate... It's not sustainable. It really isn't. Several of my friends working in the industry have decided to quit as the normalized crunch burns them out completely and make them unsanitized to any kind of future games.
Unc can you make a vid on Fortnite’s fall off
Fortnite dindt fall off
40K players being considered dead is crazy, some online games barely reach the 2K quota
Y’all act like we don’t have jobs 😂
Oh ok, so 90% of players decided to suddenly get jobs? You are genuinely brain dead
True we are all mature adults at the end of the day...
Oh right almost forgot take my Resupply!
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I love how true they are to themselves not give in to the fans and want something now so quick thats okay ima play something else til new stuff drops
Eruptor quickly became my GOAT primary and after they nerfed it I began to lose interest. Now I'm resource capped for month, nothing to buy from Warbonds because I don't trust them ever since the Eruptor nerf. Anything I buy that ends up being good will get "balanced". No thanks. Until they put some material in the game for me to spend resources on there's no reason to play.
2 things are killing it, the sony limitations with the country stuff, and the fact that we haven't gotten a new race to fight.
Clickbait trash like a majority of youtubers. Every game in existence loses a majority of players. Because people can't play the same game for eternity. Helldivers 2 still holds the Playstation record for the fastest selling game ever. Major success and definitely game of the year 2024.
Fasting selling game don’t mean shit when the game lost over 90% of it’s player base
I literally said that what this game is going through isn’t a new thing happens to most games, but they could’ve prevented it. Stop crying just because your favorite game is losing players
Ion think it’s gonna be game of the year bro 😭
Did this dude even watch the video 💀
@@yvn_youngdexter2741the thing is the most people that stopped playing it daily play it once or twice a week maybe it don’t reaches 400k players daily anymore but still a lot of people play it compared to other games
Helldivers is the only game where all three of my individual friends groups (each one prefers different types of games) played it and was looking for players.
Also the railgun nerf really hit home. It was the first shake up, but didn't effect me too much, but I'd remember it. Then more nerfs came.
SPACE MARINE 2 SWEEP
Its not over bruh, it just got normal. The only thing thats over is the hype.
This I feel is very normal and I might even argue healthy for video games. Peak in player count, find its base players and casual players slowly die out leaving a bunch of people who actually love the game.
off topic bro this is a really well explained nice to listen to video, just discovered u and subscribed
keep up the good work my g
I think when it started to really fall off was when Sony decided to suddenly enforce PSN accounts and region lock the game which caused a lot of tension in the community, personally that's when my friends and I (day 1 players and OG helldivers enjoyers) stopped playing.
It’s summer, all games lose a big majority of their player base. Look at every game’s player audience in the summer time
I realize that it's been said and done for a little while, but I think that the thing that pissed people off about the whole PSN account on PC was that when you first booted it up, they didn't strictly tell you it'd be required later. It was a "link this if you'd like, don't worry if you don't." So, like many others, I skipped past it, and didn't think about it again, it was insane that PS came back and thought to completely dismantle what the community made without a PSN account. The crazy thing was, you could still add friends who were on PC and PS if you didn't have a PSN account. They made it such a big deal for no reason.
I kid you not. yo so weird, i didn't even search for this, and when I was browsing my steam list and I had this thought, and then when I open youtube, this was in recommended
You nailed it on the head. I stopped playing regularly when they nerfed the eruptor and uninstalled the game after they nerfed the quasar (I know it wasn’t much but without anything being buffed, I recognized the trend and just wasn’t having any fun anymore). I’d love to return to this game. The potential for space combat, flying eagle 1 or our command ships, adding city environments, mission types that change mid-mission if you fail part of it… so much potential for this game beyond just “new enemy type/illuminate”. Hope they wake up and realize the gold mine they’re sitting on top of
I can't believe people are looking at massive 24 hour peak of over 40k concurrent players and are unironiclly saying the game is dead
This game peaked too early with the first extermination of the automatons. 300k players on one planet.
Don't you dare say something negative on Reddit, criticizing certain aspect of the game, otherwise you would be trashed to oblivion. Asking for quality of life improvements means that you are not happy with the game and you would be instantly downvoted lol. I've stopped playing this game completely due to toxic community.
You’ve stopped playing because you surrounded yourself by redditors lmao
Weapons are characters.
You can't just nerf your weapons to hell when most people are using them, especially in a PVE game.
The Railgun was like the Octane from Rocket League.
I'll be honest, when the railgun got nerfed I left the game and never looked back.
Constant nerfs and lack of actual additions you can earn without tedious grind is what killed this game.
The dude sounds like Ai frylock😂😂
It got old. The gameplay loop is the same. I’ll get back on when they bring new planets and the illuminates. Other than that it’s dead.
fate of most super popular modern games, still games from last decade tops the chart.
personally what i think will revive the game: unblock those 177 countries (yes im coping cus i cant play) and a mega update, tons of new stratagems, new weapons that arent super soakers, new enemy types for both factions maybe even the illuminates instead will revive the game as well as unblocking the countries (copium moment)
Between releasing guns then nerfing them, bugs, and teasing new enemies and not releasing them, the hype just died out
Oh how history repeated itself with the new update Escalation of Freedom
Yeah just dropped a new vid on it, super disappointed
Basically being forced to use the meta everytime is what killed it for me
it wasnt the weapon nerfs that got me..i had gotten to skull admiral and thought to myself 'what now' then just uninstalled
only reason the game had that many players in the first place was because of the streamers who were paid hype it up and play it for the first week or 2 - like basically every single game does now
I remember that I wanted to buy this game… but then… I got that sense in me that it wasn’t going to be worth it… I literally dodged a bullet by listening to my thoughts.
My friends are way ahead of me and we'd get into a match and all I did was shoot and I had zero clue what was going on otherwise and then my buddies wouldn't explain to me what the objective/plan was other than "just go here".
Basically I never could be in an environment where I could learn the game myself. It's just a chore when I play it with friends.
Hd2 is the type of game you boot up after months of not touching it, play it for a few months and then drop it again. The game will never die for real.
Game was fun for a month or 2, then I quickly realized that all I'm gonna get is new weapons and armor and no "end game". Being a Destiny fan and having been spoon fed content, weapons, armor, and lore for years on end I knew Helldivers was going to take a similar turn. It's the same path every multiplayer game takes now: Massive release then spoon fed content to the dedicated player base thus killing off the casuals, making PvP games sweaty and PvE games desolate. When games were on a disc they had to give you all of the content on it otherwise it wouldn't sell, now we get a percentage and the rest through a season pass or DLC.
As PS player for twenty plus’s years now. I was done after the rail gun nerf. Everything this dude is saying is spot on. I’ve also been a gamer for over four decades (nearly as long as gaming has existed) so I know the industry and the current trends in development and that’s why I bailed when the Rail got taken out back and put down like Old Yeller.
Because homie don’t play that fk’n game. I did it on principle.
Respect.
War Thunder player here, i have seen worse nerfs over the years
I think they are doing just fine. I accept that the game can be finished just as a movie is finished in 2-3 hours. Good suggestions and a review of the game's history by the way
The main reason the player count has decreased is because the game has been delisted from Steam in many countries due to PSN requirements.
It’s not over.