Here is an example of the typical naming convention broken down for you AW2724HF AW: (AlienWare) 27: (27in Model) 24: (Release year 2024) HF: Usually some kind of relation to the internal name of the monitor So for example the previous model year would be called the AW2723HF, this years release will be called the AW2725HF. Hope this helps explain why they are usually spelled out with all the random characters. (:
@@ChrisM541 Fake or not, if it gives the impression of smoothness is all that matters. It means very low framerates shouldn't cause headaches to those that can't stand when it's not smooth . And IF they significantly lowered latency via Reflex 2,more people should embrace it. Perhaps even you,if you haven't already.
@@ChrisM541 How about we complain AFTER we get to see how it works? I said the same thing about AI upscaling but now that it's had a few years to mature it's a really nice feature for midrange cards on 4k monitors.
@@Trisstan20 Yep sadly it is about 680$ for a 5070 here in europe for the founders edition straight from nvidia but the 4070 super costs more or same than the 5070 and 5070 slams it with ease
True. Especially with this generation I've got the feeling that 3rd party cards don't get much attention in form of innovation in cooling and design. All these card look the same as the generations before (bulky, lots of platsic and metal) while nvidia managed to put a 575W TDP Card into a 2-slot-design. EVGA would have been one of the few manufacturers I exprected to put some kind of innovation and R&D to their cards.
Oh, I was surprised the keyboards were priced well. Seeing some of these other gaming brands still trying to get 2021/22 prices for their boards not realizing that the market is nowhere near that right now. A lot of really good options in that 80-150 range. Good on them for knowing the market and pricing them within it!
BTW everyone, msi has their rtx 5090 models listed on their website so you can check out hdmi, display port and dimensions etc if your interested. I myself am excited to see gpus not being nearly 4 inches thick and 14 inches long haha
Really dissapointed to see that these huge cards are still being supported by 2 PCIE slots. At least the Ventus has a full triple slot bracket, will be curious to see how the brackets are tied into the cooler shrouds.
Paul check out the Wide angle adapter for the Pocket Osmo 3, you won't regret it! It's such a nice device, I can tell how excited you are about the tech because you don't have to focus on the recording aspect of it! This year is the year of tech we've been waiting for!
I got a text from microcenter saying they’d have the new 50 series starting 1/30, but I’d assume that’s for just the 5090 and maybe 5080. Haven’t seen any other info yet
Those giant cases look great, I never understood how someone would think a case would not fit in their room. Heck a walk closet has enough room for a bunch of those cases still in the box.
People don't have room for giant cases because they already have stuff in their rooms, not an empty space reserved for their gigantic PC. Also, in my case, my gaming PC is in my living room, so it's better to be smaller and less visible.
they should have made the watercooling tubes come out the same side of the power plug. since you need to power the plug on the side anyway, tubes should also come out the side to optimize the space
What's up with the covers over the RGB, you said its for "diffusion", do you know if you can take those off because I think it sort of looks silly. I am a huge fan of how the last gaming x trios looked and this one looks disappointing with the covers over it. Doesn't make it pop anymore
I want 2x HDMI so I can use both 4k/120Hz TVs without all the DP-to-HDMI adapter issues. It would be nice to have back panel shots to see which ones have that.
@@junior-OG Thanks for the head's up. Yeah, looks like Asus TUF has 2x HDMI, as well as an MSI model. Takes some investigative searching though, because even several websites of the products themselves don't show it, or even list it in their specs (so odd). ;)
I wish some of these 3+ slot cards came with a 1 or 2 slot IO bracket for those of us who do custom water cooled systems. All of the IO is on one slot so having a single slot high end card would be awesome.
I like the non-traditional plugs for the IO on that project zero x. Glad people are thinking outside of the box. Uniformity on parts is good for swapping but also limits us on form factor. Would be cool to see some things change a bit.
That founders edition, even considering the dual blow through fans, is gonna run hot or have those fans at some absurd RPM to get 575W to stay under control.
A few corrections: 1. The 32 inch 4K QD-OLED is an updated MPG 322URX, not the year-old MPG 321URX one, and I guess the main difference is DP 2.1 80gbps, so no longer need to rely on DSC for 4k 240hz over DP. 2. QD-OLED are not manufactured by LG but by Samsung.
Anyone else remember gpus not having back plates and buying after market? Also all the testing people did to see if it actually reduced thermals as advertised. Am I getting old?
What I would like to see on the edge of GPU's facing the user is a display of important temperatures, i.e Hot spot temperature, VRAM, and Die temperature, instead of RGB.
Why do all the 3rd party air cooled cards seem to have exposed cooling fins on the motherboard side of the card, next to the PCIE connector? Won't any already hot M.2 drives in this area of the motherboard be blasted directly by hot air exhausting from the cooling fins on this side of the card? It seems the FE card, with passthrough only cooling, avoids this.
Part of me wishes companies would stop with the barely over two slot stuff but then I realize if it is a full 3 slots then the fans are closer to the thing in the slot below the card so the cooling would be worse. Still hate losing more slots than needed though.
Wow these cards are actually reasonably sized! There's not an extra 1.5" inches hanging off the side and I can actually have the side panel on my computer again
The Inspire cards seem a little inspired (pun intended) by Radeon VII, if you ask me. And I kinda really like the violet finish on the GK600 at 20:16. But it's a bit too bad that there's no 24" OLEDs.
IF I was going to show off my hardware, that project zero case is the way I would want to do it. Generally, I don't need or want to do any of that since I prefer to have the HW hidden completely.
As usual, the best bang-for-buck cards for water cooling will be the founder's and the ventus (with gigabyte gaming oc being an OK alternative if no one makes a GPU block for the ventus as in the 4000 series)
While seeing the hardware is cool, I think we all want to see the real world performance results. Kinda surprised the manufacturers don't have a 5090 running a game demo loop with an FPS counter right next to the card hardware display.
Vanguard is my favorite. It looks sleek but aggressive. Will be looking to buy this beautiful card. Might go with the ROG Astral. Decisions, decisions, decisions.
What about coil whine? This will be the major deal breaker for many. For example, the 4090 Suprim Liquid has such loud coil whine, you can hear it three rooms away. The coil whine completely undermines the purpose of the silent setup of the liquid cooling solution.
Mine had coil while when I first powered it on and went away after. I play on 4K and have a titanium power supply. Supposedly the type of power supplies play a role in coil whine
@@N8iveWarMachine the power supply wasn't the issue. Tested several, two of which also Titanium certified. The coils and their housing were just of very bad quality, which was one of the main reasons, and the other is the very high power demand of those cards. Did several tests, had several 4090 brands on my shelf, I've even the "enhanced" coils from Asus its flagship models (Strix LC which also had the same coils built on the Matrix) and MSI brands, both of which were horrible. Also the disturbance of the coil whine noise is a subjective matter. Some people are fine with it, because they're not bothered by it. But if you're blessed with well and good ears, you might be more sensitive to such noises.
2:43 What Overclocking experience? The card draws 575 Watts at stock conditions. Any OC would nudge it over the 12VHPWR spec. This spec already has a RIDICULOUSLY low factor of safety. I wouldn’t risk my $2000 card for 3% extra performance and the increased risk of melting the connector
600Hz monitors allow for displaying cinematic (24FPS), PAL (50FPS), and NTSC (60FPS) video all onscreen at the same time at native speed. I think this should be the stopping point (for a while at least) for monitor refresh rate escalation. I've been predicting 600Hz, 16K resolution would be where monitors will reach their end point in those metrics (barring some new tech), now I get to see if I'm right.
I honestly feel like the partners has really stepped up the design this time around like the 4000 series so many of them was so boring and made of plastic and then there where a few that looked like something from 10 years into the future and it just seams like everyone has taken those designs for this year’s launch. They look cool so I am not complaining about that at least
I'm a bit out of the loop. Are PSU's going to update the RAIL to be able to push these cards with that one connector? Or does it like split into two 8 pins at the PSU itself? Almost getting to the point I'm going to need to run a 220v breaker to my gaming computer 😕
Thanks for watching as always guys! CORRECTION -- RTX 50 series GPUs have DisplayPort 2.1a video outs, not 1.4. (They also have HDMI 2.1b)
The Asus ROG Astral rtx 5090 is the only one I have found that has 2 HDMI slots. That one is the one for me as I connect 2 tvs & 1 monitor.
no msi lightning this time around ?
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Very nice, man. What kind of TV are you using?
@@BBWahoo LG C3 "42inch" & Samsung S95D "65inch". Monitor is the Samsung G80SD.
Paul ask Nvidia why they are cheaping on the 5070 VRAM, it should have been 16GB.
In a parallel universe, EVGA are also present with their new cards. 💔
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Haha yeah when i saw the MSI cards i thought: EVGA!!!
In that same parallel universe, there exists PTT. Paul's Tech Tips. I visited once. Arguably better vids imo.
kingpin works with pny now its ok
The bonus peel footage is worth a like all by itself.
In related news, Paul from Paul's Hardware escorted off the convention floor for illegal peeling of MSI GPUs.
I saw that!😂
Joining Tim in the sin bin. HUB Tim handled every single card... appropriately...
Is there a law that dictates monitors have such cryptic names??? Seriously all monitors are like aw342369420qdoleddwf
Rolls nicely off the tongue.
thanks xiaomi for naming my monitor Xiaomi 2K gaming monitor! probably would not work on future models 😅😅
Here is an example of the typical naming convention broken down for you
AW2724HF
AW: (AlienWare)
27: (27in Model)
24: (Release year 2024)
HF: Usually some kind of relation to the internal name of the monitor
So for example the previous model year would be called the AW2723HF, this years release will be called the AW2725HF. Hope this helps explain why they are usually spelled out with all the random characters. (:
It's the law! 😂
Like more Xs = more better for AMD CPUs and GPUs.
And at least one "AI" per second in keynotes.
It costs a lot money 💴 to trademark monitor names.
I really love the minimalist look of rtx 5070 inspire model, hope they keep the price at MSRP since it doesn't have all those fancy rgbs and stuff
Just remember to never, EVER disable upscaling and x4 Fake Frames ;)
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Fake or not, if it gives the impression of smoothness is all that matters.
It means very low framerates shouldn't cause headaches to those that can't stand when it's not smooth .
And IF they significantly lowered latency via Reflex 2,more people should embrace it.
Perhaps even you,if you haven't already.
@@GameslordXYExcept it causes blurryness and the decrease lag is yet to see. The blurryness has actually caused motion sickness to people as well.
@@TheEchelon MFG 4x will give more latency.
@@ChrisM541 How about we complain AFTER we get to see how it works? I said the same thing about AI upscaling but now that it's had a few years to mature it's a really nice feature for midrange cards on 4k monitors.
I am still very skeptical that the 5070ti will be $750 but if so I am snatching one quickly and finally doing a new build in 2025!!
They have hopefully been mass manufactured like jensen said I too hope that I can snatch the 5070 for atleast 700$ here in europe
@@davebrandous7497 12 GB card for that price .. big ooof
@@davebrandous7497 Don't it it mang! 12GB is already too low, aim for a 4080s or 5070Ti.
it really wont be worth that price, at all XD but go ahead
@@Trisstan20 Yep sadly it is about 680$ for a 5070 here in europe for the founders edition straight from nvidia but the 4070 super costs more or same than the 5070 and 5070 slams it with ease
I'm much more excited by the NVIDIA GPUs than the AMD ones, and I'm not happy about that.
Man, well said.
amd was so ballsless about their gpus that they straight up did not announce them at CES. ouch.
At least they have their CPUs going for them.
@@Aethelbeorn yea, they're taking intel out back with those so it's not all rainy days for them at least
Really?
Nvidia prides itself in 'innovation'...
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Seriously wish EVGA still made GPUs
True. Especially with this generation I've got the feeling that 3rd party cards don't get much attention in form of innovation in cooling and design. All these card look the same as the generations before (bulky, lots of platsic and metal) while nvidia managed to put a 575W TDP Card into a 2-slot-design. EVGA would have been one of the few manufacturers I exprected to put some kind of innovation and R&D to their cards.
I am replacing a power supply in my friend’s older gaming desktop. Has a EVGA 1080ti in it.
I'm glad they still have support for the Customers that bought their last gpu.
Consider evga 4090 prototype card got rear connector. They still ahead of the game. No worries about bending cables.
Oh, I was surprised the keyboards were priced well. Seeing some of these other gaming brands still trying to get 2021/22 prices for their boards not realizing that the market is nowhere near that right now. A lot of really good options in that 80-150 range. Good on them for knowing the market and pricing them within it!
BTW everyone, msi has their rtx 5090 models listed on their website so you can check out hdmi, display port and dimensions etc if your interested. I myself am excited to see gpus not being nearly 4 inches thick and 14 inches long haha
I'm a size queen, so the bigger the better 😍
@@BBWahoo My Fractal Meshify C has a Case of Lenght Anxiety.......
Jensen with his quantum lithography jacket reminds me of the hunger games
He was about to bring Katniss Everdeen to the stage for an exclusive interview.
Really dissapointed to see that these huge cards are still being supported by 2 PCIE slots. At least the Ventus has a full triple slot bracket, will be curious to see how the brackets are tied into the cooler shrouds.
Paul check out the Wide angle adapter for the Pocket Osmo 3, you won't regret it! It's such a nice device, I can tell how excited you are about the tech because you don't have to focus on the recording aspect of it! This year is the year of tech we've been waiting for!
What is your onsite vlog setup? camera / lens and aperture on POINT~!
Don’t these have dp 2?
they do! that was my mistake, thanks for the comment. I'll pin a correction 🙏
Do you know when they will be listed on amazon? and if we can reserve a spot or pre order?
I got a text from microcenter saying they’d have the new 50 series starting 1/30, but I’d assume that’s for just the 5090 and maybe 5080. Haven’t seen any other info yet
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January 30 is the release date for 5080 & 5090.
@@504TreyWill I be able to preorder on Best Buy? (Has that been a thing in the past regarding past cards?)
I find Amazon gets them last and are the most heavily botted. They would be my preferred store for it otherwise.
@Im_Nier No pre-orders. There are rumors that amd cards will be open for pre-orders this time, which is unusual.
Will the MSI RTX 5070ti GAMING TRIO OC WHITE have the same look and build for the 5070 ?
the ventus model this time looks pretty good
Those giant cases look great, I never understood how someone would think a case would not fit in their room. Heck a walk closet has enough room for a bunch of those cases still in the box.
People don't have room for giant cases because they already have stuff in their rooms, not an empty space reserved for their gigantic PC. Also, in my case, my gaming PC is in my living room, so it's better to be smaller and less visible.
they should have made the watercooling tubes come out the same side of the power plug. since you need to power the plug on the side anyway, tubes should also come out the side to optimize the space
Does anyone know exactly when the MSI RTX 5070 GAMING TRIO OC WHITE will release
Dp 1.4? I thought they had dp 2.1
It's 2.1a, thanks for the comment! I pinned a correction
@ awesome job
What's up with the covers over the RGB, you said its for "diffusion", do you know if you can take those off because I think it sort of looks silly. I am a huge fan of how the last gaming x trios looked and this one looks disappointing with the covers over it. Doesn't make it pop anymore
I want 2x HDMI so I can use both 4k/120Hz TVs without all the DP-to-HDMI adapter issues.
It would be nice to have back panel shots to see which ones have that.
i think asus is the only one with 2 hdmi
@@junior-OG Thanks for the head's up. Yeah, looks like Asus TUF has 2x HDMI, as well as an MSI model. Takes some investigative searching though, because even several websites of the products themselves don't show it, or even list it in their specs (so odd). ;)
I wish some of these 3+ slot cards came with a 1 or 2 slot IO bracket for those of us who do custom water cooled systems. All of the IO is on one slot so having a single slot high end card would be awesome.
I like the non-traditional plugs for the IO on that project zero x. Glad people are thinking outside of the box. Uniformity on parts is good for swapping but also limits us on form factor. Would be cool to see some things change a bit.
That founders edition, even considering the dual blow through fans, is gonna run hot or have those fans at some absurd RPM to get 575W to stay under control.
It's using AI-generated cooling.
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@@aflury 🤣🤣 Surprised Jensen didn't think that. ssh.🤣
Awesome work, as always, Paul and Joe. Your CES coverage is always my fave.
Really enjoying the brand specific videos showing all the available options helps when you're in the market for upgrades.
Are these all coming out the same day as the Nvidia cards? Love MSI, and I too hope there is enough supply to snag a 5080 when they come out.
That’s what I’m wondering.
A few corrections:
1. The 32 inch 4K QD-OLED is an updated MPG 322URX, not the year-old MPG 321URX one, and I guess the main difference is DP 2.1 80gbps, so no longer need to rely on DSC for 4k 240hz over DP.
2. QD-OLED are not manufactured by LG but by Samsung.
No MSI Expert series? Was looking forward to those
I think Expert series are changed to the Vanguard series versions
i'd love to see every manufacturer include a support bracket for the big gpus similar to those from gigabyte rtx4000, with screws
I'm not gonna lie, the FE cards for the 50 series look super nice with the central PCB and blow through on each side
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I just got back from Vegas. New years was insane. Never seen so many people.
Paul has been doing great work with the CES coverage
I was kinda hoping to see the expert models but it seems like the Inspire models are a spiritual successor
Anyone else remember gpus not having back plates and buying after market?
Also all the testing people did to see if it actually reduced thermals as advertised.
Am I getting old?
I wonder if Msi will fix the vram filling for their liquid cooled suprim.
What I would like to see on the edge of GPU's facing the user is a display of important temperatures, i.e Hot spot temperature, VRAM, and Die temperature, instead of RGB.
Why do all the 3rd party air cooled cards seem to have exposed cooling fins on the motherboard side of the card, next to the PCIE connector? Won't any already hot M.2 drives in this area of the motherboard be blasted directly by hot air exhausting from the cooling fins on this side of the card? It seems the FE card, with passthrough only cooling, avoids this.
Part of me wishes companies would stop with the barely over two slot stuff but then I realize if it is a full 3 slots then the fans are closer to the thing in the slot below the card so the cooling would be worse. Still hate losing more slots than needed though.
Wow these cards are actually reasonably sized! There's not an extra 1.5" inches hanging off the side and I can actually have the side panel on my computer again
Did you happen to get any information on the length?
The exclusive first 5090 peal on camera, a moment for history 🙏
Im already confused, so whats the top tier highest base OC clock? Is it the Suprim regular, NON AIO?
that project zero concept was *chef's kiss* clean
That MEG case🤩 If they actually bring this to market I might need to get one...
Damn no expert cards? The msi 4080 expert looked amazing and was hoping they'd go with that design for the 5080/5090
Seems only Gigabyte has an actual waterblocked 5090 that you can incorporate into a custom loop?
The MSI Vanguard design is pretty sexy. They look the best imo. And that concept zero cable case looked really clean.
The Inspire cards seem a little inspired (pun intended) by Radeon VII, if you ask me. And I kinda really like the violet finish on the GK600 at 20:16. But it's a bit too bad that there's no 24" OLEDs.
My Suprim X 3080 is watching me for any sudden moves towards the case right now 😂
Massive thanks to those guys who pushed the concept of getting the IO panel on the side. Seriously, thanks a lot guys. 🙏
I miss the led dragon on the Suprim 😢 now it's an inlit diamond lattice ? Dam
I prefer the bigger AIB cards. How more are they than the Founder's?
If MSI wants to make keyboard, they should use Genuine silent Topre capacitive switches like Realforce keyboards do.
Nice video 😃 Thanks!
Video card with dropsy this means that the 5000 series is very hot. Everything became clear, and dual....I don't think it'll just melt.
IF I was going to show off my hardware, that project zero case is the way I would want to do it. Generally, I don't need or want to do any of that since I prefer to have the HW hidden completely.
Paul at CES is always a highlight of the year.
wait, still on DP 1.4a?
Will reviewers as yourself get ahold of these prior to release for testing?
As usual, the best bang-for-buck cards for water cooling will be the founder's and the ventus (with gigabyte gaming oc being an OK alternative if no one makes a GPU block for the ventus as in the 4000 series)
I really like the new Inspire. Would be better to have a mat black color though.
While seeing the hardware is cool, I think we all want to see the real world performance results. Kinda surprised the manufacturers don't have a 5090 running a game demo loop with an FPS counter right next to the card hardware display.
Where TF are the blower cards? I need density.
when will the third party cards be listed on their website?
I've been an MSI guy for the last 20 years, my current build is mostly MSI with my 3090 Ventus, Looking forward to build a new system with a 5090!!
Shid, I'd like a 3090, I hope they'll be even cheaper
Vanguard is my favorite. It looks sleek but aggressive. Will be looking to buy this beautiful card. Might go with the ROG Astral. Decisions, decisions, decisions.
Same!
i have a b550 motherboard i have a 3080 but im aiming for the 5070 ti should upgrade motherboards
I want Project X. Looks good. When might we get reviews on the 5000 series?
How much markup should we expect on the water-cooled 5080 and 5090?
What about coil whine? This will be the major deal breaker for many. For example, the 4090 Suprim Liquid has such loud coil whine, you can hear it three rooms away. The coil whine completely undermines the purpose of the silent setup of the liquid cooling solution.
Mine had coil while when I first powered it on and went away after. I play on 4K and have a titanium power supply. Supposedly the type of power supplies play a role in coil whine
@@N8iveWarMachine the power supply wasn't the issue. Tested several, two of which also Titanium certified. The coils and their housing were just of very bad quality, which was one of the main reasons, and the other is the very high power demand of those cards. Did several tests, had several 4090 brands on my shelf, I've even the "enhanced" coils from Asus its flagship models (Strix LC which also had the same coils built on the Matrix) and MSI brands, both of which were horrible.
Also the disturbance of the coil whine noise is a subjective matter. Some people are fine with it, because they're not bothered by it. But if you're blessed with well and good ears, you might be more sensitive to such noises.
No prices?
12:44 Quote of the year
Many thanks for the great video. Do you think that the 5000 Series can bei still be placed in a vertical GPU holder because of the new Design?
not a fan of the keyboard, as i find that is very old school layout, makes it harder to clean
The MSI Suprim X cards are over engineered and its awesome.
Paul rockin' the side-burns!
2:43 What Overclocking experience? The card draws 575 Watts at stock conditions. Any OC would nudge it over the 12VHPWR spec. This spec already has a RIDICULOUSLY low factor of safety. I wouldn’t risk my $2000 card for 3% extra performance and the increased risk of melting the connector
Don't forget about the power from the motherboard.
50XX cards use the updated 12V2×6 connector. If not seated properly it doesn’t draw power and it’s backward compatible.
Great video 👍
Was the 5070 ventus 2x a 2-slot or fatter?
The Inspire 5070 Ti has got my name all over it. Small, sleek and looks great
Where's the new lighting models?
MSI cards look clean. Very good run-down on all the options.
600Hz monitors allow for displaying cinematic (24FPS), PAL (50FPS), and NTSC (60FPS) video all onscreen at the same time at native speed. I think this should be the stopping point (for a while at least) for monitor refresh rate escalation.
I've been predicting 600Hz, 16K resolution would be where monitors will reach their end point in those metrics (barring some new tech), now I get to see if I'm right.
The inspired series realy look like the Evoke series rebranded, loved the champagne color of my old 5700 xt.
The white card of MSI is beautiful, I wish they designed one for the 5090
Paul you should get the German Lucky with the beer stein from MSI while you are there.
6:30 I like the look of that Inspire model. 👍
Finally a Ventus refresh that looks good.
I honestly feel like the partners has really stepped up the design this time around like the 4000 series so many of them was so boring and made of plastic and then there where a few that looked like something from 10 years into the future and it just seams like everyone has taken those designs for this year’s launch. They look cool so I am not complaining about that at least
MSI Ventus MSRP how??? Are they doing some Armor like stuff like no memory cooling?
how much would the oc versions of 4080 cost? like the gaming trio white
Yep, been shopping for a white monitor to go with my white build and monitor arm.
Nearly a 4 slot card with a 2 slot mount, why?
I'm a bit out of the loop. Are PSU's going to update the RAIL to be able to push these cards with that one connector? Or does it like split into two 8 pins at the PSU itself? Almost getting to the point I'm going to need to run a 220v breaker to my gaming computer 😕
You can use 3 x 8pin to the supplied connector in the box of the gpu to use on old psu, or use the new pcie connector on new psu's.