Wakayama Uechi Ryu Old Style Pangainoon
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
- A look at the way Uechi-ryu was practiced in Wakayama in the old days. Old style Uechi-ryu (Pangainoon) at the same area in Japan where Kanbun Uechi first started to teach again.
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I am not a karateka but i practice regularly the Uechi-ryu sanchin kata (just one kata) for exercise purpose. It's effective. I learned it from sensei Shinyu Gushi in Pangainoon RUclips video. Thank you Master Shinyu Gushi. God bless you in Heaven.
Sensei Gushi was an amazing practioner of Uechi-ryu. RIP!
Nyiloro, just something to consider if you're practicing Sanchin for exercise purposes. I've practiced Uechi ryu just over 50 years. I read years ago in either Blackbelt magazine or Karate Illustrated an obscure article that said that many of the Okinawan masters did not live to a ripe old age and died in their 70s, including master Kanbum Uechi who died at 71. The article inferred that the practice of sanchin with its dynamic tension and intraabdominal pressure during the breathing caused chronic high blood pressure. At the time I was in my early 40s and had borderline high blood pressure. I discontinued the dynamic tension sanchin and began to practice it like any other kata. After a year or so my blood pressure returned to a healthy range. Just saying, it's something to look into and think about.
@@shevetlevi2821You are absolutly right. I train Uechi-ryu since 1988, but I also train in chinese martial arts (Wing Chun, Choy Lee Fut and Wudang Taijiquan), and my chinese Taiji master told me many years ago to stop doing the Sanchin kata with so much dinamic tension, to relax, to let the Chi and the blood go to the body.
@@martinabreu566 Thanks Martin. Yes, we all want the "Iron Shirt/ Golden Bell" to protect us against strikes to the torso but it has to be weighed against our future health.
@@shevetlevi2821 Exactly, but there is other ways to construct an "iron shirt" or "iron body" without that external hard way, too dangerous to our health.
I do have a request. Can you make short video telling more about how and why Uechi-ryu have changed from Kanbun era to modern days, including your own personal preferences and opinions.
My sensei told me that Uechi Ryu was still considered Kung Fu on Okinawa. Maybe this is why they are bending their wrists.
Its a hooking technique. Some schools fo white crane also do this.
I'm a life long karateka, your Sensei is right. 👍
Extremely interesting! Thank you so much for the video. I noticed similar techniques during Karate no Hi in Naha. There were different schools presenting their kata and some of them were much more "chinese" than what we have in Uechi-ryu today.
Thank you for your comments! Yes, we can learn a lot from exploring the roots of our arts!
A good friend is a 4th Dan in Uechi Ryu.
I'm a blackbelt in kyokushinkai and have brown belts in other styles, there sansaru is unlike any other style I know or can find online.
It's too kung-fu 😅
I'm also a daido jukku kudoka, so maybe I'm to mma too be karate Too!?
Awesome
I’ve subbed … liked ,absolutely fascinating content
Thank you!!!
Hi ! Your advice is noted Shevet Levi. Thank you very much for telling me. Safety and doing it safely is a priority.
Amazing document! Thank you!
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Amazing footage. I'm in the Mattson tree from Brockton,Ma. Super cool videos. via Stoughton,Ma. (Bob Otto). I've benn thinking about how to incorparate the old school Pangainoon in to the soft style for the elderly. Half hard half soft 🙂If you think about it, the motions going slow resemble Tai Chi but with a purpose. Old gals and guys would love it and it would be so beneficial for them.
Slow equals smooth, smooth equals fast!
To me it seems more similar to bare knuckle thai boxing, than sports karate taught to children these days. Very cool!
The first two practitioners performed their Kata more like they do forms in the southern Fujian province of China. I lived in China and practiced many different forms of kung fu. I also learned in Taiwan as well. The posture and the fluidity of movement of the first two students looked a lot more like southern style kung fu.
Thank you for your comments! I agree!
Sir thank you for sharing this video. Yes it is George Mattson along with Ryuko Tomoyose, father Ryuryu Tomoyose and Charlie Earl visiting.
Thank you!
Thanks for posting. Very interesting to see the early roots. This is going in my Bookmarks.
What year is this footage? I love to observe different methods.
The practitioners are very impressive.
That is indeed George Mattson. Thank you for sharing this.
Thank you for your kind comments!
I wonder if Sensei Mattson remembers who this was?
Excellent, thanks for posting! Jiu-Jitsu master might be an Aikido practitioner?
El Aikido proviene de Ju jutsu....HISTORIA.
Thanks for sharing. Very interesting.
It looks so much like southern praying mantis or pak mei kung fu.
Thanks for sharing this video. Very interesting. I asked Sensei Mattson about the gentleman at the end and he told me he was an Aikido practitioner from that area. Unfortunately he passed away not long after the video was recorded.
Very interesting! Thank you!
I'm glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for commenting!!!
Not sure if what they are doing is "incorrect", but it seems better to me than the chin up, chest out, stop after each movement and wait five seconds way it is taught these days.
Exactly.
Hello. Thanks for the interesting video. The master of Ju Jutsu shows the techniques of Hakko Ryu Ju Jutsu . There is a question . What year is the video and who is the jujutsu master?! Thanks for the answer!
Mahalo for your input! Hakko ryu! Very interesting! Thank you! 😊
Uechi Ryu IS kung fu and as referred to here is essentially the same southern style roots as Chow Gar, Pak Mei and Dragon style etc etc.
Yes, it really is.
Once upon a time there was an arrogant Uechi Ryu elitist from Beantown. When I was very young, he noticed that I had a natural rapport with the Japanese and didn't seem to like that. So he came over and scolded me - "Why are you bothering them?!," etc.
Well, for the past 40 years, I "bothered" them even more! I'm like that pesky mosquito that keeps coming back right when you thought it was gone! I married a Japanese national who I've been happily together with for almost 25 years now, became a leading Japanese-to-English translator/interpreter, lived in Japan for several years, visited with many budo practitioners (frauds included), etc. Some martial arts practitioners from the West tend to place Japanese on a pedestal and perpetuate some sort of exoticism that really doesn't exist. I think it's a way of dealing with self-hate. One soon finds out that Japanese aren't all that exotic once you enter an izakaya. Anyway, Mr. Beantown was completely out of line and it's a good thing that he didn't end up discouraging me.
Congratulations!
Mahalo nui loa!
Oss. @@AlCloutier
This is so cool
Wonderful,,,😍
半硬軟 👏👍
Yes, Sifu! Half hard, half soft!
🙏
Im learning Uechi Ryu now but see theres a lot of differencies from these karateka and what im taught. Why is there so much change from then to now?
The word "ryu" actually translates literally as "flow." All arts change as they flow down to us through time. Change can happen because a student didn't understand what his teacher was trying to teach him. Or, if he thinks it should be done differently. Or, if a person has a certain body type or disability. Change can happen for a number of reasons. Not all change is bad, either.
@@AlCloutierI understand how small changes happen over time, and so on. I'm not new to karate, just to Uechi Ryu. Uechi Ryu is still a fairly new style when compared to other Okinawan styles. This is why I'm surprised as to the differences. I get different organizations do things differently but typically it's minor, this has a more rounded back, faster movements, etc, a lot more variation than to be expected within a short time. Not a criticism, just somewhere there was a major change, it's just interesting to see it.
Is the thought that Shotokan had influenced the Japan dojo, considering it being Uechi's 1st dojo, or that in Okinawa the style had deviated? I understand that kata depends on person, who you thinking you're going against, size of person, so on, but for as much emphasis is place on doing Uechi Ryu katas correctly, I'm surprised of the differences between the Japan dojo and the Okiawan masters.
I'd say the Jujutsuka is an old school Aikido or even Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu, my guess.
The jujutsu looks like Hakko Ryu. It may be either that, or its antecedent, Daito Ryu I’d guess. Aikido’s antecedent is also Daito Ryu.
The way the locks are being applied I would say this is Daito Ryu Aiki Jutsu
Is this video sped up?
Not to my knowledge. But I did receive input that the frame rate was higher way back then. The input suggested slowing it down to 75%. You can do that on the RUclips player.
#gusmilazzzo Excelent video thank you.
Thank you!
what kata is he doing?
Seisan kata. But in the unique manner of the Wakayama dojo.
So much White Crane in there still.
their underarms are so strong!
Brut deodorant.
Первый самый страшный был. Страшней этих девочек из проклятья и звонка😅
think it from 1964....not jiu jitsu...goju ryu...sago tada...i think
I believe what they are or were practicing in Wakayama is incorrect. I believe what is practiced today, from what I've seen so far, called "Pangainoon" is also incorrect. Based on videos seen from those who actually studied directly under Kanbun. Including his son. I could be wrong, but honestly, I doubt it. I am open minded if someone can provide proof that Kanbun actually taught that way. My belief is when he left Mainland Japan, and his top students left with him, what was left was taught incorrectly.
That is entirely possible.
@@AlCloutier fascinating clip.Thank you for sharing. Like many, I would love to know what Kanbun's karate looked like. This film could be a little time capsule that provides a clue. Wiki states that Kanbun spent almost all of his instructing years in Wakayama, approximately 22 years. He returned to Okinawa in '46 and sadly passed away in '48. It is well documented that his son Kanei made the modifications and added to the syllabus. As many have noted, the performance of techniques in the clip resembles southern chinese boxing systems ( the wrist position/performance in the arm rubbing looks very similar to Chow gar arm strengthening exercises ). Could this be how Kanbun would have performed his Sanchin and Seisan? Could the modifications have, as you have suggested, been influenced by other okinawan styles - bigger techniques, straight back etc?
That's akido not ju jitsu
Thanks for your comments! Did you know that Aikido originated from Daito-ryu Jujutsu? The founder of Aikido, Ueshiba, left out the more dangerous techniques from Daito-ryu to make Aikido. Just FYI.
How come they practice all the fancy moves and then cant do them when they face an opponent, so crap.
Thank you for your highly intelligent comments! 🙏
Ha Ha@@AlCloutier
It is because martial arts like Okinawan Karate, Penjack Silat, Kali , Wing Chun and many others are not to combat but for self defense in real/stress situations that have to be resolved in 3/5 seconds. Even the mon-martial art Krav Maga which is a self defense system is useless in combat.
By combat you mean consensual sport fighting such as kickboxing or mma?