Of course, FivePoints is ideally suited to bringing this era of the NFL to the attention of modern audiences: it's when he started following the sport as an old man.
While killing time during a preseason game on the late 90’s, the announcers brought up a stat that between 1920 and 1980, about 18 players total had weighed more than 300 pounds. Between the two pre-cutdown rosters, there were something like 40 players over 300 pounds in that game.
The rule that made chop blocking illegal actually changed the sizes of linemen. The rule benefitted less agile (aka heavy) players more and made them all huge and lumbering. It gradually took away the smaller but more agile o-linemen. Which also could explain less run plays.
Riggins may have won the SB MVP but the Stars of that Super Bowl were the Hogs. They started a O-Line Arms Race with the Giants, Bears, 49ers, and eventually Dallas. That also made the D-Linemen enormous. It isn't an accident that the first AFC team to win a Super Bowl in almost 15 years ran a whole different Linemen system that directly made Gilbert Brown and Reggie White a liability.
Especially considering he threw more interceptions than touchdowns in his career. Though to be fair it wasn't super uncommon, having that kind of record wouldn't fly too well either lol
@@JessJess347 occasionally, once in a while, I manage to be pretty fly for a white guy. (Obviously, apologies are in order for this one for several reasons. Most notably, I must apologize for reminding you all that the offspring post smash era existed.)
My whole family are jets fans... I moved to buffalo and fell I love with the team... I still am a Fan of the jets they are so bad I don't have to worry about cheering against my team... I have no expectations for the jets.
One of the reasons OL were smaller were different blocking rules that required more footwork because you weren't allowed push a guy with your arms extended and just pancake him.
You’re absolutely right. Offense of line play today is sumo wrestling. Also rule changes have limited The defense In many ways. No bump & run, head slap & and you can’t touch the QB. Offense line is allowed to line up in bow formation. Tackles line up off the line of scrimmage. This help pass protection.
@@alvermeil5884 although with all these rules, does not take away the merit of athletes . In fact what helped the passing game was the evolution of pitching mechanity, initiated by the Bengals in the Ken Anderson era
@@alvermeil5884 so much so that the offensive system of the teams until the early 80's was very similtar : FAR , Split Backs and Wing T ( predecessor of Goal line )
Goal post is still on the goal line in the CFL, granted the field is wider and end zones deeper and it's just a single post now keeping the uprights up so a lot less dangerous.
To be honest, the NFL should have the Canadian field width and the end zones, along with the single point, and move the goalposts to the goal line. Of course, there's the issue of a few rows of end zone seating being removed; that said, the Lions and Jaguars wouldn't miss those seats, since hardly anyone shows up for their games anyway.
@@MRB16th Do you remember Willie Burden who played for Calgary? He was drafted by Detroit but got cut at the end of training camp. Then he went to Calgary and had a great career. He said that he owed it to the larger field. In the NFL when you run a sweep, there is only so much space befire you get to the sideline and run out of room. With the larger CFL field, he could run a sweep, outrun the coverage and turn the corner for a big gain
@@mehitabelgill6711 Wow, I never realized the impact the larger field had on the game. Burden was a fantastic running back: case in point - the year after Detroit cut him, Burden ran 1896 yards and set a CFL record that lasted for 19 years.
Speaking about using the ref as a pick on pass plays, I don't know what ref or what team it was, but I remember hearing a story about some ref decided to line up in a slightly different spot for a game, and after the game, one team's coach came to him and told him something like "hey, why'd you do that, we designed some of our plays to run around you?" lol
Also, teams don’t drink out of the same water cooler by sharing a ladle, there’s no smoking in the locker rooms, and most players don’t need part time jobs in the off season.
Good video!! Can remember the growing up in 1960s and watching games with the goal posts placed on the goal line - quite a few brutal "encounters" there. Also, can remember the HEAD SLAP allowed by defensive players - they could smack the offensive linemen up the side of the head thus disorienting for a few seconds in order to get past them and intot eh back field.
Australian Rules Football does too, but I only saw some of it while was visiting and couldn’t really figure out the game, other than it was fun to watch (and possibly rougher than rugby.)
I played rugby and I can say there were definitely a few times I'd run people into the goal post. When you're about to score and in the center of the field your best bet was to just dive and place the ball right next to the post so your opponent couldn't do much (of course in rugby you have to actually touch the ball to the ground in order for it to count).
The single support goalpost was,I read several years ago in a book called THE ARGO BOUNCE(I'm a Canadian),introduced in Hamilton. Feel free,anyone,to dispute this. The author is Jay Teitel. Take it up with him. lol.
@@devenjordan09 true due to improved conditioning, strengthening, and nutrition. But athletically and knowledge they are nothing. It’s not really the same game. The only thing even remotely the same is the name football. Today’s teams are not allowed to hit or really even play defense. You line a Jerry Rice or you name it against a Mel Blount who had no rules of no touching after the first five yards and Rice wouldn’t have finished the game. But like I said a different game. Back then it was more team. Now it’s about individual athletes. In the old days they had more respect for theirselves, their teams and their opponents. Even if you didn’t like them you still respected them. No dancing after a sack when your down by 10. That’s selfishness to try and take the glory of the play for yourself and not your teammates.
@@devenjordan09 As far as pure athleticism, I'd agree as athletes are better trained.. But if you play in a 1960s stadium (no artificial turf with near perfect grip, everything outdoors) with 1960s rules (WRs can be grabbed and held for the entire play).. well, you are going to negate a lot of the speed advantage. Now I agree, modern athletes would still have an advantage... but too often people ignore both the field conditions and rule book. How many wide receivers in 2021 are going to run a slant over the middle while wearing a single bar or no face mask at all knowing that the linebacker or safety can legally break their nose with an elbow? or clothesline them across the throat? Today's athletes shine partly because the rules allow insanely little contact compared to the era before 1978 (when pass interference became a thing)
If you think that a receiver running into a goal post was hazardous, how about running into a brick wall at Wrigley Field in that Bears -Colts game, where the end line is right up against the wall
The "rash of injuries" because of players colliding with the goalposts as claimed by the NFL is largely debunked by the number of CFL players injured each season by colliding with goalposts. And the "too many Field Goals" excuse gets a "Come on man" from me, the name of the game is football!
Anyone who thinks Joe Namath is over-rated because of stats is woefully ignorant about the AFL/NFL. All QBs except the Browns QBs under Paul Brown called their own plays. DBs had contact with receivers all the way down the field. Joe was tough as nails, which is good, because QBs took a beating. The rules didn’t protect them. Joe Namath was the #1 reason that the leagues merged. He gave the AFL credibility as a huge star who went to the highest bidder, and wouldn’t take the Cardinals offer because of NFL “prestige” or arrogance. He was the biggest star in football in his era. He was considered the ultimate passer by Sid Gilliam and Bill Walsh for form. 50% was a good completion pct. in that era. The rules favored defense in every way. Most AFL QBs had more INTs than TDs in the AFL because they aired it out.
The goal posts on the goal line actually make sense, as the 'goal' in football at the start back in the Walter Camp days was to get the ball over the goal line by either running or kicking the ball over the line. Pre-passing being a legal play the fields were 110 yds long (the CFL still has that distance as they adopted passing many years after the NCAA and NFL did, and never changed their field distance.) There were no end zones on the original gridiron field as there was no need for it since one could only score a TD by rushing the ball over the line. When passing became allowed they had to create an end zone to limit the over the goal line area that one could catch a ball for a TD. So they chopped 10 yds off the distance of the field, and added two 10 yd end zones on it making for a field length of 120 yds. Colleges early on decided (In 1927) to move the goal posts back to the end line of the end zone, but the NFL didn't until much later. There wasn't much kicking in the early NFL, but over the years kicking became a much bigger part and in 1974 the league finally moved them back, ending the 8 yd Field Goal (which I believe is now the unbreakable league record for shortest). One more CFL field comparison if one wonders why their field is a different size than an American field: when passing finally was legalized in Canadian football, most teams were playing on fields in the middle of 440 yd oval running tracks, so they just decided to extend their end zones all the way back to where the track was, which until the 1980s meant a 25yd end zone (now "only" 20 yds). But it really wouldn't have made sense to put goal posts way back on the end line of a CFL field, as a FG from the 5 yd line would then be a 32 yd kick - and their kickers were no better than NFL kickers in the old days- so to this day the CFL goal posts sit on the goal line (with the actual single post 1 yd behind it). And occasionally one still sees plays like in the 1960s NFL where a player or more often a passed ball hits the uprights (which by rule is a dead ball, as it was in the NFL back then).
Good stuff bjdon99! Since the ball has to cross the goal line for a score so did the field goal. So you put the crossbar over the goal line. Now I would like to see scoring in football where you have to touch the ball on the ground in the end zone for a score. Hence the term 'touchdown'. After a player touches the ball down in the end zone then he can proceed with a silly dance.
Osborne Stadium in Winnipeg , where the Bombers played until the early 1950s only had a 100 yard field. If you look at some of the fields in use, today, some of them have the corners cut off in the endzones and are not a full 25 yards from the corner of the goal line to the back of the endzone. Taylor Field , many years ago, used to have a wooden fence right up against the cut off corner at one end of the field
@@mehitabelgill6711 I think that's one of the reasons the CFL cut the end zones to 20 yds in the 1980s. I did find a 1940s photo of Osborne and I think you are right. 100 yds. Also the end zones look like they were only 5 yds deep? I think when the Bears played in Wrigley Field in Chicago they had a similar issue with the end zones.
@@bjdon99 Also, the CFL was looking to expand into the US by then and the CFL would eventually for a time in the '90s with some of the stadiums unable to have the full end zones.
As for Namath's interceptions.... Remember that the passing rules were MUCH different back then. A defender could practically tackle a receiver. Now, if a defender merely puts a finger on a receiver, it's a 15-yard penalty! Many Hall of Fame QB's had more INT's than TD's!
Apart from Namath, the other Hall of Fame QBs with more INTs than TDs were Sammy Baugh, Bob Waterfield, Y.A.Tittle, Norm Van Brocklin, Bobby Layne, George Blanda, and Ken "The Snake" Stabler: so that's eight out of the 29 QBs in total. Also, Terry Bradshaw had 212 TDs to 210 INTs, narrowly missing this list.
@@MRB16th also Sammy Baugh literally invented the modern QB, so did Bob Waterfield. YA Tittle probably shouldn’t be in the hall of fame, Norm Van Brocklin was the first pure QB, Bobby Layne was money in the playoffs, so was Bradshaw and Stabler. Namath struggled in the playoffs, had a horrible winning percentage on top of interceptions. Bradshaw, Stabler, and Layne were incredible playoff QB’s and belong in the hall of fame, Namath wasn’t
A couple of things. Joe Namath also called all of the plays in Super Bowl III. A lot of his career stats were made worse because he played a couple of years too long. Namath's knee injury in college greatly hampered him especially in those last years. Namath had one of the greatest deep balls in Pro football history. I am not even a Namath fan but Namath was great.
Yeah the man who threw 57 more interceptions then TD’s, the man who had a 43% career winning percentage, the man who threw 27 interceptions in 1 season, the man who didn’t even throw a touchdown in SB3, the only thing he’s famous for. He is about as good as Jameis Winston
@@andrewsucksatvideos4482 You are actually making my point for me. The rules favored the defense in those days. Offensive lineman were not allowed to use their hands, defensive backs could maintain contact and even knock down receivers as long as the ball had not left the QB's hand. Also, medical technology allows for todays players to come back in weeks from what was career ending injuries in the 60's and 70's. Sure Namath probably should have retired when the doctors told him but he tried to hang on.
Before they moved the goal posts back some teams were kicking field goals without even crossing the 50 yard line. It's still mind boggling to me that on Tom Dempsey's 63 yard field goal the holder placed the ball down on their own 37 yard line.
And while that particular kick ofcourse happened as time expired, a long filed goal was also less risky in those days if a missed field goal went into the end zone or through the back it was considered a touch back and the defense took over on the 20. SO even though many of those long attempts missed it was basically like a punt
*Run, Run, Pass* - My high-school coach was a throwback to the 60s (I graduated in '82); and our best running back was a kid named, Peavy. We, jokingly referred to our losing offensive strategy as *_"The Four 'P' Offence"_* (Peavy, Peavy, Pass, and Punt). We went 0 and 10 my sophomore year.
Back in the ‘60s the Vikings had a tough fullback named Bill Brown. On a goal line 2 yard run he lowered his helmet and pushed forward. His blockers cleared the way & Brown ran straight into the goal post, knocking himself out.
"what we're trying to get is a seal here..and a seal here..and run this play in the alley"..needed the sound clip on Lombardi diagramming the Packer sweep.
the reason for tiny linemen were in part because of the blocking rules at the time. you need smaller, faster & more agile lineman when you can't outwardly use your hands to block without it being called holding.
one thing that instegated the larger lineman was a change in rules that banned "low blocks". Back in the day if a lineman was facing a "large" lineman (and there were a few here and there, but not many), the stratagy was to "block low" to get them off their feat fast. This caused serious knee and ankle injuries so the NFL banned such blocks. After that, size was much more important as when blocking mid and high means size really matters.
When I played center in high school, offensive linemen were not allowed to use their hands to block. We had to grab out jerseys and use our elbows. Mostly, we went for the defensive player's ankles, hoping to hobble them. Those were the days.
The 60's players seemed to be tougher than today's players. They weren't constantly calling to the sideline to let them rest for a couple of plays. In fact, the 60's players wouldn't come off the field unless they broke a bone or the game was over.
@@sludge4125 Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about. This is a man who played against Lyle Alzado, Terry Bradshaw and the real football players. Two time All Pro. He's one of the best men I have ever known, and for you to make that statement is just plain ignorant.
@Sebastian Belcher You also need to realize that the modern version of football is less violent. I'm always surprised that a flag isn't thrown because a tackle was made. How dare you keep the runner from scoring.
@@stevenbass732 Your neighbor is a bitter old man. It’s that simple. It doesn’t matter whether he was an all pro or not. Old men bragging about how good they were is one sure way to empty a room.
One of my coaches back in the day said: when you pass the ball, three things can happen and two of them are bad. We ran the wishbone and managed 4 yards a play. Long drives and ball control were the way of the warrior.
They actually still place the goal posts near the goal line in Canadian Football, yet Canadian Football is unique enough from the NFL to still be called its own thing. Like in the CFL, you can actually score a point for missing a field goal
Linemen in the 1960s and 1970s took about 20 years after retirement to develop full blown CTE. Players today are getting CTE while still playing (re: Belcher, Sharper, etc.). At all positions.
I was a kid in 1969. It was a smaller world. What made Namath was him guaranteeing a Jets victory in Super Bowl 3, when nobody took him seriously. This was in part because he was their QB. And then they won and he made a pantyhose commercial. No one has taken him or the Jets seriously since then.
If one were to look at today's linemen you would see flab & fat on a lot of them & that's really sad when you consider all the great equipment today's gyms have. But when you go back in time & look at the linemen from the 60's/70's era, it's doubtful you'll see any or at the very least as much flab/fat on the players. That's why the linemen of the 60's/70's era were smaller because they weren't lazy like a lot of today's players. As for the run, run, pass deal, all I can say on that one is, it was a different era back then. Myself, I love & prefer that era compared to today's era any day of the week. The players were better, the game was better, the mindset was better, hell, even the uniforms were better. Give me the 60's/70's era of the NFL over today's and I'd be a happy camper. Glad youtube is here so I can still watch REAL football from that era as compared with today's flag football league where you get flagged on just about every damn play. Today's NFL sucks. They are not REAL men in today's NFL. Give me a Dick Butkus, or a Ray Nitschke, or a Carl Eller, or a Alan Page, or a Jack Ham, or a Merlin Olson, or a Larry Csonka any day of the week. Now THOSE are REAL men & REAL football players who played with ATTITUDE! Just saying.
One thing we had in the 60s that didn't suck-mud. Late season games in bad weather locations should include a sloppy field. Now, even if they're not playing on fake grass, by the end of the game the field is still PGA Tour quality.
he a cool dude but that .79 td/int ratio says otherwise....he's just an older white version of what Jameis Winston was in Tampa...and that's being generous to Joe.
The celebration deal could be traced back to Elmo Wright of the KC Chiefs, who did a special dance after scoring a TD; nobody had ever seen that before (late 60s or early 70s).
You still see the goalposts on the goal line in the CFL. The same Is true in rugby union and Rugby league. Scott Player spent 1 more year playing pro football. In 2009 he played in the United Football League. he was able to keep his single bar helmet.
I think those smaller line men in the 60s were a lot stronger than the men who play today. Those were grizzled tough men who played through injuries… no defenseless receiver calls, no roughing the passer. Just all around tougher men.
I'm happy someone else is saying Namath was overrated. "He called the win in the super bowl!" What else could he have said? "We might win tonight but I can't guarantee it. "
Neither, both won championships. They are both cases of transitional players being judged by later standards. Waterfield was a Tailback who played into the first modern passing era (his numbers were quite good for the 40s, Van Brocklin and especially the Browns just revised the Standards). Namath was the first QB to throw for 4000, and was from an era where most passes were long ones (his yards per attempt are actually pretty respectable) he was not playing in a West Coast style offense (Bill Walsh and Paul Brown were inventing it as his career wound down). Both also had short careers and Namath ended his with several VERY bad seasons, so they didn't accumulate that big of numbers (and Namath left a lot of people remembering his 70s play not the 60s).
Most CFL lineman are lighter and more agile. They have to be with the wider field and much more passing, and by more I mean all but one team had a higher percentage of called passing plays than every team in the NFL. Also posts on the goal line are better, live field goals are much more exciting.
The 1976 Dallas Cowboys won the Superbowl with an offensive line that averaged 256 pounds. My daughter's High School Offensive Line averaged 258 last year.
There was no Ochocinco in the 60s. But there was Wahoo on the Dolphins. And yes, the Packers early on were a running team, but when Hornung & Taylor got old and retired, it became Starr’s offense, and he won 3 league and SB MVPs with a big play passing game. As many 40+ yard TD passes as Brady & Rodgers throw today. The difference? The shorter gains come from throws more often now, not runs.
With Namath you have to consider the changes in rules. Receiver chucking was part of every play, and OL couldn't block with arms extended. Harder to pass, especially longer routes.
Of course, FivePoints is ideally suited to bringing this era of the NFL to the attention of modern audiences: it's when he started following the sport as an old man.
It's also around the time he started losing his hair
He needed something to do during retirement
Is Five Points the James May of This section of RUclips?
While killing time during a preseason game on the late 90’s, the announcers brought up a stat that between 1920 and 1980, about 18 players total had weighed more than 300 pounds. Between the two pre-cutdown rosters, there were something like 40 players over 300 pounds in that game.
The rule that made chop blocking illegal actually changed the sizes of linemen. The rule benefitted less agile (aka heavy) players more and made them all huge and lumbering.
It gradually took away the smaller but more agile o-linemen. Which also could explain less run plays.
Riggins may have won the SB MVP but the Stars of that Super Bowl were the Hogs. They started a O-Line Arms Race with the Giants, Bears, 49ers, and eventually Dallas. That also made the D-Linemen enormous. It isn't an accident that the first AFC team to win a Super Bowl in almost 15 years ran a whole different Linemen system that directly made Gilbert Brown and Reggie White a liability.
Sadly, Joe Namath is still the best QB in Jets history.
As a jets fan pain
At least he never lost the ball after bumping into someone’s butt.
Especially considering he threw more interceptions than touchdowns in his career. Though to be fair it wasn't super uncommon, having that kind of record wouldn't fly too well either lol
that might be true, but he also might be the most overrated player in NFL history lol
@@GotDamBoi which says a lot about how bad every other Jets quarterback has been
Leveling a receiver before the qb even looked his way.
You could also practically kill the QB after he threw a pass.
"This Year We're going to be CALM, ORDINARY AND BORING. The Things People LOVE About Football Thank You"
Rodger Goodell 2021
You left out political.
They had to make sure there was no fun involved in the game.
60s NFL took busses and trains to games, Fives.
They likely would fly today.
Good pun.
@@JessJess347 occasionally, once in a while, I manage to be pretty fly for a white guy.
(Obviously, apologies are in order for this one for several reasons. Most notably, I must apologize for reminding you all that the offspring post smash era existed.)
@@thepolarphantasm2319 hahahahahah
The Jets winning a SB should be #1 on the list.
You know it’s the 60’s when you see the Jets actually achieving things. (Edit: I am a Jets fan so nothing but pain)
My whole family are jets fans... I moved to buffalo and fell I love with the team... I still am a Fan of the jets they are so bad I don't have to worry about cheering against my team... I have no expectations for the jets.
Well before my time. Here's to when we are remembered for something besides Butt Fumble.
And the super bowl they won was potentially one of the most rigged games in all of sports lmao
Condolences to both of you.
*laughs in Lions fan*.
One of the reasons OL were smaller were different blocking rules that required more footwork because you weren't allowed push a guy with your arms extended and just pancake him.
Yeah they changed the way lineman could block in the 70's and that opened up the passing game significantly.
You’re absolutely right. Offense of line play today is sumo wrestling. Also rule changes have limited The defense In many ways. No bump & run, head slap & and you can’t touch the QB. Offense line is allowed to line up in bow formation. Tackles line up off the line of scrimmage. This help pass protection.
@@alvermeil5884 although with all these rules, does not take away the merit of athletes . In fact what helped the passing game was the evolution of pitching mechanity, initiated by the Bengals in the Ken Anderson era
@@alvermeil5884 so much so that the offensive system of the teams until the early 80's was very similtar : FAR , Split Backs and Wing T ( predecessor of Goal line )
his exaggeration of people being smaller in the 60's was pretty silly... he showed a picture of skinny hippies.
Goal post is still on the goal line in the CFL, granted the field is wider and end zones deeper and it's just a single post now keeping the uprights up so a lot less dangerous.
The first single post, "gooseneck" goalposts were used at the Autostade in Montreal, a former home field of the Alouettes.
To be honest, the NFL should have the Canadian field width and the end zones, along with the single point, and move the goalposts to the goal line.
Of course, there's the issue of a few rows of end zone seating being removed; that said, the Lions and Jaguars wouldn't miss those seats, since hardly anyone shows up for their games anyway.
@@MRB16th Do you remember Willie Burden who played for Calgary? He was drafted by Detroit but got cut at the end of training camp. Then he went to Calgary and had a great career.
He said that he owed it to the larger field. In the NFL when you run a sweep, there is only so much space befire you get to the sideline and run out of room.
With the larger CFL field, he could run a sweep, outrun the coverage and turn the corner for a big gain
@@mehitabelgill6711 Wow, I never realized the impact the larger field had on the game.
Burden was a fantastic running back: case in point - the year after Detroit cut him, Burden ran 1896 yards and set a CFL record that lasted for 19 years.
Whenever I think to myself "I haven't seen wide right in a couple days" I know five has my back with any nfl video he makes 🙏
One of the best videos you put out. It’s crazy how much the AFL changed the game into what we see today.
Dude, passing in the 60s was much more difficult. DBs could knock receivers around past 5 yards from the line of scrimmage. And did.
yeah they had the advantage unlike today where wrs have the advantage
Speaking about using the ref as a pick on pass plays, I don't know what ref or what team it was, but I remember hearing a story about some ref decided to line up in a slightly different spot for a game, and after the game, one team's coach came to him and told him something like "hey, why'd you do that, we designed some of our plays to run around you?" lol
Stick em, the head slap and the four arm shiver......good times.
Also, teams don’t drink out of the same water cooler by sharing a ladle, there’s no smoking in the locker rooms, and most players don’t need part time jobs in the off season.
Good video!! Can remember the growing up in 1960s and watching games with the goal posts placed on the goal line - quite a few brutal "encounters" there. Also, can remember the HEAD SLAP allowed by defensive players - they could smack the offensive linemen up the side of the head thus disorienting for a few seconds in order to get past them and intot eh back field.
The CFL still have the goal posts at the goal line. Same with rugby.
Australian Rules Football does too, but I only saw some of it while was visiting and couldn’t really figure out the game, other than it was fun to watch (and possibly rougher than rugby.)
@@joermnyc I’ve tried with Aussie rules. I don’t think I’ll ever get it. I figured out American football. I think that’s enough for me just now.
@@joermnyc Aussie Rules has the goal posts at the goal line because there is no end zone
I played rugby and I can say there were definitely a few times I'd run people into the goal post. When you're about to score and in the center of the field your best bet was to just dive and place the ball right next to the post so your opponent couldn't do much (of course in rugby you have to actually touch the ball to the ground in order for it to count).
The single support goalpost was,I read several years ago in a book called THE ARGO BOUNCE(I'm a Canadian),introduced in Hamilton. Feel free,anyone,to dispute this. The author is Jay Teitel. Take it up with him. lol.
The players in the 1960’s and 70’s were 100 times tougher than they are today! I started to watch in 1971.
#1 on the list of things in the NFL of the 1960’s that wouldn’t be allowed in today’s NFL --playing defense
The best defense from the 60s is getting 70 dropped on them by the worst team today
@@devenjordan09 true due to improved conditioning, strengthening, and nutrition. But athletically and knowledge they are nothing. It’s not really the same game. The only thing even remotely the same is the name football. Today’s teams are not allowed to hit or really even play defense. You line a Jerry Rice or you name it against a Mel Blount who had no rules of no touching after the first five yards and Rice wouldn’t have finished the game. But like I said a different game. Back then it was more team. Now it’s about individual athletes. In the old days they had more respect for theirselves, their teams and their opponents. Even if you didn’t like them you still respected them. No dancing after a sack when your down by 10. That’s selfishness to try and take the glory of the play for yourself and not your teammates.
@@devenjordan09 As far as pure athleticism, I'd agree as athletes are better trained.. But if you play in a 1960s stadium (no artificial turf with near perfect grip, everything outdoors) with 1960s rules (WRs can be grabbed and held for the entire play).. well, you are going to negate a lot of the speed advantage.
Now I agree, modern athletes would still have an advantage... but too often people ignore both the field conditions and rule book. How many wide receivers in 2021 are going to run a slant over the middle while wearing a single bar or no face mask at all knowing that the linebacker or safety can legally break their nose with an elbow? or clothesline them across the throat? Today's athletes shine partly because the rules allow insanely little contact compared to the era before 1978 (when pass interference became a thing)
@@control_the_pet_population facts
If you think that a receiver running into a goal post was hazardous, how about running into a brick wall at Wrigley Field in that Bears -Colts game, where the end line is right up against the wall
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Not to mention the half time band, taking up a large corner of the end zone.
Dude you HATE Namath so much! Lmao you been ripping him for years and it makes me smile everytime.
You can’t even touch the QB without getting a penalty nowadays even it wasn’t roughing the passer
but by that time it was already like this
The goal posts are a valuable part of the Canadian game. Just ask the Winnipeg Blue Bombers!
Only reason they made it.
The "rash of injuries" because of players colliding with the goalposts as claimed by the NFL is largely debunked by the number of CFL players injured each season by colliding with goalposts. And the "too many Field Goals" excuse gets a "Come on man" from me, the name of the game is football!
The odds of hitting the posts for a dead ball are so rare. But somehow Saskatchewan has done it 2 out of the last 3 games vs the Bombers.
@@davidcobb2693 then again, the CFL also has those Texas sized end zones, so there’s more room to operate for than there is on NFL fields
Anyone who thinks Joe Namath is over-rated because of stats is woefully ignorant about the AFL/NFL. All QBs except the Browns QBs under Paul Brown called their own plays. DBs had contact with receivers all the way down the field. Joe was tough as nails, which is good, because QBs took a beating. The rules didn’t protect them. Joe Namath was the #1 reason that the leagues merged. He gave the AFL credibility as a huge star who went to the highest bidder, and wouldn’t take the Cardinals offer because of NFL “prestige” or arrogance. He was the biggest star in football in his era. He was considered the ultimate passer by Sid Gilliam and Bill Walsh for form. 50% was a good completion pct. in that era. The rules favored defense in every way. Most AFL QBs had more INTs than TDs in the AFL because they aired it out.
The goal posts were originally at the back of the end zone but they moved them to the front and then moved them back
The 1945 NFL Championship was won by the Cleveland Rams thanks (in part) to a errant pass hitting the goal line goal post.
The CFL still has goal posts at the goal line.
The single bar helmets started with the Browns. It ended with the Browns! I LOVE my team.
The goal posts on the goal line actually make sense, as the 'goal' in football at the start back in the Walter Camp days was to get the ball over the goal line by either running or kicking the ball over the line. Pre-passing being a legal play the fields were 110 yds long (the CFL still has that distance as they adopted passing many years after the NCAA and NFL did, and never changed their field distance.)
There were no end zones on the original gridiron field as there was no need for it since one could only score a TD by rushing the ball over the line. When passing became allowed they had to create an end zone to limit the over the goal line area that one could catch a ball for a TD. So they chopped 10 yds off the distance of the field, and added two 10 yd end zones on it making for a field length of 120 yds. Colleges early on decided (In 1927) to move the goal posts back to the end line of the end zone, but the NFL didn't until much later. There wasn't much kicking in the early NFL, but over the years kicking became a much bigger part and in 1974 the league finally moved them back, ending the 8 yd Field Goal (which I believe is now the unbreakable league record for shortest).
One more CFL field comparison if one wonders why their field is a different size than an American field: when passing finally was legalized in Canadian football, most teams were playing on fields in the middle of 440 yd oval running tracks, so they just decided to extend their end zones all the way back to where the track was, which until the 1980s meant a 25yd end zone (now "only" 20 yds). But it really wouldn't have made sense to put goal posts way back on the end line of a CFL field, as a FG from the 5 yd line would then be a 32 yd kick - and their kickers were no better than NFL kickers in the old days- so to this day the CFL goal posts sit on the goal line (with the actual single post 1 yd behind it). And occasionally one still sees plays like in the 1960s NFL where a player or more often a passed ball hits the uprights (which by rule is a dead ball, as it was in the NFL back then).
Good stuff bjdon99! Since the ball has to cross the goal line for a score so did the field goal. So you put the crossbar over the goal line. Now I would like to see scoring in football where you have to touch the ball on the ground in the end zone for a score. Hence the term 'touchdown'. After a player touches the ball down in the end zone then he can proceed with a silly dance.
Osborne Stadium in Winnipeg , where the Bombers played until the early 1950s only had a 100 yard field.
If you look at some of the fields in use, today, some of them have the corners cut off in the endzones and are not a full 25 yards from the corner of the goal line to the back of the endzone.
Taylor Field , many years ago, used to have a wooden fence right up against the cut off corner at one end of the field
@@mehitabelgill6711 I think that's one of the reasons the CFL cut the end zones to 20 yds in the 1980s. I did find a 1940s photo of Osborne and I think you are right. 100 yds. Also the end zones look like they were only 5 yds deep? I think when the Bears played in Wrigley Field in Chicago they had a similar issue with the end zones.
Actually, besides passing, I believe in 1973 a kicker actually missed an 8-yard FG attempt that hit the crossbar on its way up.
@@bjdon99 Also, the CFL was looking to expand into the US by then and the CFL would eventually for a time in the '90s with some of the stadiums unable to have the full end zones.
Damn, pro football certainly was a horse of another color back in the 60's, eh?
Thanks for the insightful video. 🏈
The NFL got rid of goalposts at the front of the endzone. Canadian football still has the goal posts at the front of a 20 yard deep endzone.
As for Namath's interceptions.... Remember that the passing rules were MUCH different back then. A defender could practically tackle a receiver. Now, if a defender merely puts a finger on a receiver, it's a 15-yard penalty! Many Hall of Fame QB's had more INT's than TD's!
Apart from Namath, the other Hall of Fame QBs with more INTs than TDs were Sammy Baugh, Bob Waterfield, Y.A.Tittle, Norm Van Brocklin, Bobby Layne, George Blanda, and Ken "The Snake" Stabler: so that's eight out of the 29 QBs in total.
Also, Terry Bradshaw had 212 TDs to 210 INTs, narrowly missing this list.
Yeah but Namath also had 1 good season in his whole career
@@MRB16th also Sammy Baugh literally invented the modern QB, so did Bob Waterfield. YA Tittle probably shouldn’t be in the hall of fame, Norm Van Brocklin was the first pure QB, Bobby Layne was money in the playoffs, so was Bradshaw and Stabler. Namath struggled in the playoffs, had a horrible winning percentage on top of interceptions. Bradshaw, Stabler, and Layne were incredible playoff QB’s and belong in the hall of fame, Namath wasn’t
I had no idea the single bar facemask lasted until 2008. That’s crazy
Thank you. I've been saying that about Namath for years.
Run, Run, Pass?
Ah yes, the modern Bears offense.😎
The Bears offense is run, run, pass, punt
As a Bears fan, I'm confused as to what an offense is.
You're hilarious. 😒
I remember when it was Payton, Payton, Payton, punt.
A couple of things. Joe Namath also called all of the plays in Super Bowl III. A lot of his career stats were made worse because he played a couple of years too long. Namath's knee injury in college greatly hampered him especially in those last years. Namath had one of the greatest deep balls in Pro football history. I am not even a Namath fan but Namath was great.
Yeah the man who threw 57 more interceptions then TD’s, the man who had a 43% career winning percentage, the man who threw 27 interceptions in 1 season, the man who didn’t even throw a touchdown in SB3, the only thing he’s famous for. He is about as good as Jameis Winston
@@andrewsucksatvideos4482 You are actually making my point for me. The rules favored the defense in those days. Offensive lineman were not allowed to use their hands, defensive backs could maintain contact and even knock down receivers as long as the ball had not left the QB's hand. Also, medical technology allows for todays players to come back in weeks from what was career ending injuries in the 60's and 70's. Sure Namath probably should have retired when the doctors told him but he tried to hang on.
Before they moved the goal posts back some teams were kicking field goals without even crossing the 50 yard line. It's still mind boggling to me that on Tom Dempsey's 63 yard field goal the holder placed the ball down on their own 37 yard line.
And while that particular kick ofcourse happened as time expired, a long filed goal was also less risky in those days if a missed field goal went into the end zone or through the back it was considered a touch back and the defense took over on the 20. SO even though many of those long attempts missed it was basically like a punt
Apparently nobody remembers math had bad knees they couldn't fix them back then
Thanks for the content FivePoints! Glad those $10 dollars came to good use.
NFL is a game, a business, and entertainment... Namath was great at 2 out of 3
The goalpost is in the front of the end zone in the CFL and it’s actually great
That NFL logo with the Pinstripe is jus Chef Kiss awesome 👌, perfectly describes 60s without even knowing it
Tom Brady wouldn't fly in the 60s, he'd be dead after a half season lol.
*Run, Run, Pass* - My high-school coach was a throwback to the 60s (I graduated in '82); and our best running back was a kid named, Peavy. We, jokingly referred to our losing offensive strategy as *_"The Four 'P' Offence"_* (Peavy, Peavy, Pass, and Punt). We went 0 and 10 my sophomore year.
Good topics lately man!.. the stadium thing bores me to tears but other than that and a couple of other's..👍
60’s and 70’s NFL is basically a different game than today
Nothing in the 60s would fly today 😂😂😂
NFL players today: don't have to deal with goal line goal post.
CFL players:
Do one for EVERY decade, even way back into the 20s
"A brush with a bush is pleasant compared to a powwow with a post." - The original Football Follies
Back in the ‘60s the Vikings had a tough fullback named Bill Brown. On a goal line 2 yard run he lowered his helmet and pushed forward. His blockers cleared the way & Brown ran straight into the goal post, knocking himself out.
I'll never forget the game I watched when Joe Namath limped in for a Touchdown From the 15 yard line. LMAO!
"what we're trying to get is a seal here..and a seal here..and run this play in the alley"..needed the sound clip on Lombardi diagramming the Packer sweep.
"Perhaps, more entertaining styles of football" Words for a football casual.
the reason for tiny linemen were in part because of the blocking rules at the time. you need smaller, faster & more agile lineman when you can't outwardly use your hands to block without it being called holding.
one thing that instegated the larger lineman was a change in rules that banned "low blocks". Back in the day if a lineman was facing a "large" lineman (and there were a few here and there, but not many), the stratagy was to "block low" to get them off their feat fast. This caused serious knee and ankle injuries so the NFL banned such blocks. After that, size was much more important as when blocking mid and high means size really matters.
When I played center in high school, offensive linemen were not allowed to use their hands to block. We had to grab out jerseys and use our elbows. Mostly, we went for the defensive player's ankles, hoping to hobble them. Those were the days.
The 60's players seemed to be tougher than today's players. They weren't constantly calling to the sideline to let them rest for a couple of plays. In fact, the 60's players wouldn't come off the field unless they broke a bone or the game was over.
My neighbor is a retired NFL DE. He played for the Baltimore Colts. He flat out told me that today's players would not have lasted when he played.
@@stevenbass732 Your neighbor is a bitter, egotistical malcontent.
Roster size was much smaller then, which limited substitutions somewhat.
@@sludge4125 Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about. This is a man who played against Lyle Alzado, Terry Bradshaw and the real football players. Two time All Pro.
He's one of the best men I have ever known, and for you to make that statement is just plain ignorant.
@Sebastian Belcher You also need to realize that the modern version of football is less violent. I'm always surprised that a flag isn't thrown because a tackle was made. How dare you keep the runner from scoring.
@@stevenbass732 Your neighbor is a bitter old man. It’s that simple. It doesn’t matter whether he was an all pro or not.
Old men bragging about how good they were is one sure way to empty a room.
One of my coaches back in the day said: when you pass the ball, three things can happen and two of them are bad.
We ran the wishbone and managed 4 yards a play. Long drives and ball control were the way of the warrior.
Tom Brady wouldn't have no rings if he played back then he wouldn't last one game
They actually still place the goal posts near the goal line in Canadian Football, yet Canadian Football is unique enough from the NFL to still be called its own thing. Like in the CFL, you can actually score a point for missing a field goal
Linemen in the 1960s and 1970s took about 20 years after retirement to develop full blown CTE.
Players today are getting CTE while still playing (re: Belcher, Sharper, etc.). At all positions.
Theisman went from a single bar to ‘protect’ his face to a bunch of pins to hold his leg together. Well done Joe, well done.
Haaaa! Joe Theisman - "Mr. Tough Guy". Really got a laugh with that one!!
I was a kid in 1969. It was a smaller world. What made Namath was him guaranteeing a Jets victory in Super Bowl 3, when nobody took him seriously. This was in part because he was their QB. And then they won and he made a pantyhose commercial. No one has taken him or the Jets seriously since then.
Yea Myles Garrett wouldve loved it
Now u have the 90s to do and the 00s as well
Moving goal post back WFL is to thank for that move.
I have been wanting to know the goal post thing for YEARS! I finally have the answer!
If one were to look at today's linemen you would see flab & fat on a lot of them & that's really sad when you consider all the great equipment today's gyms have. But when you go back in time & look at the linemen from the 60's/70's era, it's doubtful you'll see any or at the very least as much flab/fat on the players. That's why the linemen of the 60's/70's era were smaller because they weren't lazy like a lot of today's players. As for the run, run, pass deal, all I can say on that one is, it was a different era back then. Myself, I love & prefer that era compared to today's era any day of the week. The players were better, the game was better, the mindset was better, hell, even the uniforms were better. Give me the 60's/70's era of the NFL over today's and I'd be a happy camper. Glad youtube is here so I can still watch REAL football from that era as compared with today's flag football league where you get flagged on just about every damn play. Today's NFL sucks. They are not REAL men in today's NFL. Give me a Dick Butkus, or a Ray Nitschke, or a Carl Eller, or a Alan Page, or a Jack Ham, or a Merlin Olson, or a Larry Csonka any day of the week. Now THOSE are REAL men & REAL football players who played with ATTITUDE! Just saying.
One thing we had in the 60s that didn't suck-mud. Late season games in bad weather locations should include a sloppy field. Now, even if they're not playing on fake grass, by the end of the game the field is still PGA Tour quality.
I (as a german) often see the difference between an active and an retired o-liner in sebastian vollmer
Electing Joe Namath to thePro Football Hall of fame for one game is like electing Don Larsen into the Baseball Hall of Fame.
I agree that his career wasn’t hall worthy.
But that super bowl win was HUGE!!!!!!
joe namath deserves to be in the hof just based on his coolness
he a cool dude but that .79 td/int ratio says otherwise....he's just an older white version of what Jameis Winston was in Tampa...and that's being generous to Joe.
Look at the ratio of every other QB from that time period before u talk shit.. They were the same shit!
Is he sober these days?
60's NFL that wouldn't fly today: clothes-line tackling
Today's NFL that wouldn't fly in the 60's: dancing and celebrations after almost every play
The celebration deal could be traced back to Elmo Wright of the KC Chiefs, who did a special dance after scoring a TD; nobody had ever seen that before (late 60s or early 70s).
You still see the goalposts on the goal line in the CFL. The same Is true in rugby union and Rugby league.
Scott Player spent 1 more year playing pro football. In 2009 he played in the United Football League. he was able to keep his single bar helmet.
Love that you took the time to tell people about the real Broadway Joe.
jaguargator9 is going to have a real field day with this
Love your snide comments and sense of humor.
The goalposts on the line. OMFG LOL That shit was so funny.
It's easy to criticize Namath. Back then he was the best. He won a Super Bowl. More than the commentator ever did.
The hell you mean Run, Run, Pass doesn’t work in today’s NFL? Matt Nagy does it every game and he’s an “offensive genius”
I think those smaller line men in the 60s were a lot stronger than the men who play today. Those were grizzled tough men who played through injuries… no defenseless receiver calls, no roughing the passer. Just all around tougher men.
For his time Namath was a decent quarterback!
I'm happy someone else is saying Namath was overrated. "He called the win in the super bowl!" What else could he have said? "We might win tonight but I can't guarantee it. "
Who would you pick for most overrated: Namath, except he had SB III, or Bob Waterfield, except he had Jane Russell?
Neither, both won championships. They are both cases of transitional players being judged by later standards. Waterfield was a Tailback who played into the first modern passing era (his numbers were quite good for the 40s, Van Brocklin and especially the Browns just revised the Standards).
Namath was the first QB to throw for 4000, and was from an era where most passes were long ones (his yards per attempt are actually pretty respectable) he was not playing in a West Coast style offense (Bill Walsh and Paul Brown were inventing it as his career wound down).
Both also had short careers and Namath ended his with several VERY bad seasons, so they didn't accumulate that big of numbers (and Namath left a lot of people remembering his 70s play not the 60s).
Namath had every woman but Jane Russell.
Namath obviously, no one talks about Bob Waterfield
Most CFL lineman are lighter and more agile. They have to be with the wider field and much more passing, and by more I mean all but one team had a higher percentage of called passing plays than every team in the NFL. Also posts on the goal line are better, live field goals are much more exciting.
The 1976 Dallas Cowboys won the Superbowl with an offensive line that averaged 256 pounds. My daughter's High School Offensive Line averaged 258 last year.
I think it might have been funnier if you used a coconuts sound effect when players hit the goal posts.
Finally someone is talking about how Namath wasn't a HoF player. He was a HoF personality but not player.
After the SB win, Namath never beat another team that was over .500.
The 60s were a great time to be a kid.
Here from Raymond James stadium
There was no Ochocinco in the 60s. But there was Wahoo on the Dolphins.
And yes, the Packers early on were a running team, but when Hornung & Taylor got old and retired, it became Starr’s offense, and he won 3 league and SB MVPs with a big play passing game. As many 40+ yard TD passes as Brady & Rodgers throw today. The difference? The shorter gains come from throws more often now, not runs.
My Bears ran the 4P offense in the 70s: Payton to the left, Payton to the right, Pass, Punt.
...Ooh yea a clean but violent hit. (You even look at Bradly you get a targeting penalty)
Joe theismann is really smelling his own farts in that quote
He’s pretty impressed with himself.
You had a great chance to bring up how Montreal treated the name on the back thing
I'd like to see a football field full of goal posts all over the field and it would look and function like a giaint bumper pool game!
With Namath you have to consider the changes in rules. Receiver chucking was part of every play, and OL couldn't block with arms extended. Harder to pass, especially longer routes.
But Namath was really bad even compared to his contemporaries
@@nohbuddy1 Not disputing that, just saying it's a factor 1960's v. Today.