Airliners as private-jets, Smart or Dumb?!
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Some people use airliners as business jets - with Donald Trump and his “Trump Force One” being a pretty famous example. But what does using an aircraft this way actually mean? And is it really a good idea?
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If you have a large staff/security detail it can make sense...but only regular use. Otherwise its better to lease a flight from a company that specials in private hire rental.
This kind of channel annoys me so much that even I'm really interested in these videos, i am still thinking of canceling this challel bcos in the middle of the videos, is minute + advertisements. Bcos I pay youtube about 130€ per year for the reason that I don't have to watch advertisements in the middle of the video. It would be ok if they would be in the end like some channels do and just quick bits in the middle.
I will not use the word "Dumb" to describe the decisions of a guy that went bankrupt twice in his life.. and became a millionaire also twice in his life 🤔...+.... especially when I'm struggling to buy food at the end of the month 🥺.......... But use a "Bus" as a personal "Car" 😕... I don't know.... I guess it is a question of status.... like driving around in a Humvee.. or a Limo.. or a Lamborghini 🙂.+.
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I wish you had talked to me first. I fly for a company that operates Gulfstreams, BBJs, ACJs and wide body Boeing and Airbus products, all as corporate planes. Including the B747 and A340 and some others.
You are actually accurate with the story, except for some details. One example is when you talk about how 20 passengers is much lighter than 160 passengers. Which is true, however, the extra weight of a corporate interior versus airline interior brings the weight up again significantly. Our 747, the extra weight of the interior was equivalent to carrying 130 airline passengers.
Also, the latest business jets have a cabin altitude of less than 3000 feet at FL410.
But that’s just nitpicking. It was a good video.
The Boeing 757 "Flying Pencil" is a truly gorgeous looking airliner.
I saw one of those 757's take off at San Diego International like a missile. A thing of beauty.
I have always thought the same thing. I used to go to Gravelly Point Park, which is immediately north of Reagan National Airport, to watch the planes take off and land back in the 1990's. I usually had to sit through lots of 737's (which I dubbed 'Porker Planes'), until one of those long-legged beauties came along.
I'm gonna go against the grain on this one and say I never really liked the look of it. Nor do I like the look of most Boeing planes until the 787 which I think really is fantastic looking. Up until the 787 I had always preferred every Airbus, and I do like the A350-1000 and the XWB, but the 787 has been a joy to fly on the times I have done so. Except Air India, but that wasn't really the plane's fault.
@@TheGreyAreaBetween that is funny because I'm the opposite. Out of all the Boeing planes (except the DC-9 based 717), the 787 is the one I'm not a fan of when it comes to looks especially the cockpit windows.
Its long legs and attractive looking nose make it look elegant.
I will definitely keep this video in mind next time I'm in the market for a private jet.........
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Paging @ProjectFarm
Whatsamatter ... can't you just take it out of "petty cash"?
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Maybe Mentour could do a 10 best video, or a tier list.
Get a 747. . Honestly !!
I had the pleasure of flying a 200 mile hop in the B757 with less than 40 pax onboard. The crew did a high-thrust takeoff and steep climb-out, which this fast motorcycle aficionado found quite thrilling. We passed 3000 ft agl before we passed the perimeter fence. It is certainly a pilot's plane!
Opportunity missed to use Iron Maiden's 757 piloted by the lead singer as an example. They carried the band, the stage crew and their equipment to concerts all over the world.
Ed Force One! 🤘
Flight 666! They’ve also had a 747, which I was able to get to within a few dozen meters on the Book of Souls tour. Bruce doesn’t fly it anymore, citing civil pilot age regulations. Although in the Ed Force One context, there is no age regulation as it’s private, I can respect his decision; he’s essentially saying that if it’s been deemed too risky for the public, it’s too risky for his 2nd family.
I have never heard of Bruce flying a 757 22:16 for Iron Maiden. I really believe it was only 747s.
@@ericr5529 A copy/pasta from a random site when Googling reveals: "Iron Maiden's iconic 'Ed Force One' planes, a Boeing 747 and Boeing 757, were used for their world tours and piloted by lead vocalist Bruce Dickinson."
Seems we're both right...
@@ericr5529 ‘08/09 tour, 757.
Conversely, private/business jets become successful commercial airliners. The Canadair Challenger 600, introduced way back in the late 70's as the first wide body business jet (you could also stand up and not hit your head), evolved into the popular Bombardier regional jet we commonly fly on today.
Yea those Challeger 600s are wide but they look stubby. Like a stubby CRJ.
@@Blakezilla594 There are still a ton of ERJs flying around for regional airlines as they are cheap to keep running and reasonably efficient.
@@plektosgaming I said CRJ
The Challenger 600 was initially designed by Lear as a cargo aircraft for FedEx. The first 20 or so had upward opening MEDs with airstairs for cargo loading.
@@joesephkingston1621 Not so sure about the cargo configuration. I worked on the Canadair business at my ad agency in 1979 and I can tell you Canadair needed a minimum number of orders to start the assembly line and it wasn’t until the Ojjeh brothers (Saudi/French) came along and bought 23 jets that the fate of the Challenger was assured. Their father, by the way, was a very rich sheik.
I once got to fly in the 757 between Seattle and Portland when Paul Allen owned it and the Trailblazers. We sat not more than 15 feet from him and the service was terrific. It's a great aviation memory for me and my daughter.
i bet paul liked your daughter too
A private 757 to fly from Portland to Seattle. Damn that’s pretty great
@@housemanadid Paul like them young like trump and Epstein?
@@agy234they all like them young once they hit a certain age. Theres a reason you never seen hugh hefner dating fellow 80 yearolds.
@@agy234 Don't know about Trump but I'm pretty sure it's a favorite for Biden. Especially if she has a chocolate chip ice cream on her hand
Even I commanded planes like B777 and B787 during my career, the 757 has always a special place in my heart. As you said, the power surplus never failed to bring a smile on my face, but it just looked so damn good as well. It was also the biggest aircraft that I took to those smaller airports in Finland and Sweden. I used to fly a BAe-J31, based in Jönköping and Halmstad, so the day I landed my B757 first time to Jönköping was something truly heart warming & special. I do miss her...
Im not a pilot but my dad is. In the 90s when he got his license he flew from Axamo in Jönköping. I have many memories from that airport and the clubhouse for private hobby flyers next door. He was flying commercial for something called Flying Enterprise before it got absorbed into SAS.
ever see a 328 rigged for executive seating? Hard to beat that cabin width in that weight class. The gentleman I know has his specifically for the cabin, and that his crew has no hesitation with any GA field he wants to get into.
Fun fact - the need for in-flight entertainment (music in the early days) is why Bill Lear created the 8-track format. In the early days it was called the LearJet Stereo Player which made it into home, portable and car players. The LearJet name however disappeared in the early 70s as the players started to become more commoditized and available from multiple manufacturers. But hey, if you wanted to own a LearJet something cheap, it was a way.
Ah, I didn't know that. I had a LearJet 8-track, and all this time I thought it was just a silly name the manufacturer put on the player to make it sound fancy.
I've always admired the LearJet, but now I'll have to completely rethink my position. How can the same mind that came up with 8-track possibly build an airworthy plane? 😂
The 8-track was a stereo development of Earl "Madman" Muntz's 4-track system.
@@nodangles6983Google William Powell Lear and you will change your mind.
It was a stereo player designed by an engineer who wasn't a musician. It would go click click in the middle of a tune as it switched tracks .
This is why Airbus offers a special longer range version of the A220-100 as an executive jet, known as the ACJ TwoTwenty. Roomier than most other long range business jets, it can operate out of smaller airfields.
one very nice thing is that customs never inspect the cargo of "important" people, so those airlinets can transport a huge tonnage of drugs and other
Yeah, but airbus is a French company. Trump wanted American. I do have to wonder why he didn't focus on private A380s.
Airbus Corporate Jets Twotwenty is really great! 💯
It's pictured in the video..
@@musmuk5350the ACJ 220 is slow and short on range. Really not that great, unless they can add tanks.
Trying to reduce your co2 impact and then seeing neymar going to Saudi Arabia on a private 747 is a bit demoralising
You get demoralized by one airplane trip? Imagine what will happen to you when you find out about China’s 1118 coal fired plants. 😂
CO2 is the gas of life. You've been brainwashed.
If it makes you feel any better - conscious consumption is basically a scam sold to us to divert our energy away form structural change. A non wasteful mindset helps, but mostly to making change.
Millionaires is just about anyone who owns a home in the west these days, @@fritzwalter1112.
Its the billionaires, the 0.0% of the 0.1% of the 0.1% that are the problem, they control the means of production, they could change this in a couple of years.
The difference between a millionaire and a billionaire is literally the difference between a used pushbike and a new Lamborghini
@@fritzwalter1112 per capita Qatar is the world biggest emitter of Co2 yet they don’t even crack the top 10 in total carbon emitted yearly This clearly illustrates that per capita is a useless way to look at the issue ( key part coming up) If your real goal is reducing Co2 emissions. “Dude”
I remember Don Jr. being asked about the plane on the Opie and Anthony Show, and he said he always flew commercial because of the exorbitant cost to operate. It just wasn't practical for regular business use when traveling between their various properties around the world, and was pretty much only used as a branding tool to impress investors.
It depends on how many people you are flying and how long in the air. 10-20 people losing a whole work day while flying commercial may not be a great savings, just like using a 15 person private jet to fly one person scross the country would be a waste. Elvis was likely flying 40-50 people in his entourage with him, who were then fresher to do the next show, so that made a lot of sense. Ditto most pro sports teams who use converted airliners based on higher use and larger capacity. What I don't understand are people in NYC who commute in a luxury passenger car when a converted sprinter style van would make way more sense. Easier to be stuck in traffic with a commode in the back room and a 42" TV up front, just sayin. They are catching on now, but many years later than I would have predicted.
That fits. His entire “business empire” is all about appearance. As was recently made clear in a court.
@@mgscheue No a leftist judge lied about it to slander him.. Especially the Mar-a-Lago estate.
PR and smoke and mirrors lol
Absolutely terrible how one person can tarnish the most gorgeus plane. Just seeing those letters on the fuselage gives me a shudder and completely removes the joy of seeing this othervise beautiful plane.
I may have missed it, but I think a significant limitation of using airline sized jets for business is the loss of access to thousands and thousands of airports. Either landing weight limitations (due to runway and don't forget taxiway) capacities and of course runway length.
That would be true for domestic flights but if you are travelling internationally I wonder if a great many of those airports are not usable anyway due to not having Customs or immigration officers.
@@robsengahay5614 Quite a lot of customs agencies are actually pretty receptive to having officers called out on an ad-hoc basis to receive a plane. You need pre-approval (because you need to notify them you'll actually be there), but you can definitely do it. My best guess is that this is a capability that had to exist anyway for these countries to handle diverted planes, so they just use that existing infrastructure to handle charters and private jets.
Still plenty of places with long enough runways. Midway is super short like 6000 ft and this could definitely fly there. I live near Sanford (SFB) and you wouldn't think it's a big airport but I think it has a 10k ft runway, the 747 Airforce One landed there. I think it was even able to land at Daytona which also had a 10k ft runway. People flying these jets don't go to small municipal airports.
if you can spend that much money on an airliner for business, it would be a literal waste of money for them to stop in those places even if they could land there...if it was lucrative enough to stop there..the airport would be named after them and it would definitely be able to accommodate the size and weight of the plane...they dont see a parking ticket as a punishment, they see it as a privilege for a price. that is how much money people who use airliners and business jets have...you ask that question and if they really wanted to land there ....in some scenarios...no...they dont even have to pay any money because of their influence. the infrastructure would be built....
@@ab2tract Secondary airports are often more convenient for charter and ad-hoc flying, because they're set up for it. FBOs at major airports typically will want to have lots of notice, in addition to having other various restrictions based on the airport itself and the space available to them, which further restricts how you can use your airplane. So if you're flying a private jet into Los Angeles, you probably want to go to Van Nuys, not LAX - but a big jet might not fit there.
The 757 is the best looking (sexy lines) airliner. I worked at an airline and loved the days we had to do gear swings on them. That airplane on jacks with the gear tucked❤
When you were talking about the failure of the Trump airline I was reminded of a famous quote by Sir Richard Branson. Someone asked him how to become a millionaire and he replied first you become a billionaire then you buy an airline.
I’ve heard many different versions of that same joke. For example:
“How to you make a small fortune in the aviation business?
You start with a large fortune!”
Warren Buffet said the same thing.
Not aviation related, but the one about the farmer who won big in the lottery. When asked what he'd do with all the millions he replied, "I reckon I'll just keep farming until it's gone."
trump airlines was actually EASTERN AIRLINES
which successfully operated for 33 years before
trump bought the airline,
and proceeded to bankrupt it in 4 short years,
which was an impressive success for him,
as he had bankrupted casinos in under 1 year,
and the sports league in 1 year.
@@theboringchannel2027Yeah, he's tried to do a bunch of things that didn't succeed, yet he's still a millionaire. Must have had some things go right.
Another problem with converting an airliner in a business jet, as we had it on the previous « Air Force One » of France, when it was an A319CJ : the moisture (or to be exact, its absence) in the cabin. These planes were made to be used with 100+ passengers inside, all sweating as normal persons would. When you use them with something like 4 or 5x less passengers inside, especially on long haul flights like you can with ACTs, the air is getting a lot dryer than in a normal flight !
Nonsense.
Seems a very easy problem to fix, if in fact it exists at all. Just install a small water feature as part of the deco.
A little fun fact. Living Wichita, home of Lear Jet, I was there for the first test flight all those years ago. My father being a private pilot caught wind of the demonstration and took us kids out to ICT and when to the observation deck of the terminal to enjoy the show. Same goes for the first flight of the BD5 micro. Loved all those times with my father and flew many hours with him. He was the owner of two different Mooneys in the 60’s.
Awesome!
The landing gear height of the 757 has, at least in part, something to do with Boeing's efforts to allow pilots to have dual type ratings in the 757 and 767. The cockpit height above the ground for the two very differently sized aircraft needed to be the same. I have this info from some books and from a couple 757/767 pilots I know.
Indeed, exactly. Dual Type Ratings of 757 and 767 was a very good selling-argument for both types - and a lot of airlines around the globe used this (and some few still use it like Condor in its remaining Boeing fleet).
It's also why both aircraft have the same flightdeck windows. The design of which necessitated them being set lower in the nose for the 757 than the 767 to work best for aerodynamics, hence why on the 757 you step down from the passenger cabin into the cockpit. :)
@@bmused55
And in the 767, you step up.
@@NicolaW72 Icelandair as well, although less than they used to.
@@the_ratmeister Yes, indeed.
Since you are a 757 enthusiast, have you ever seen the insane low pass performed by Argentina's presidential 757 on it's delivery flight? It's everywhere on YT...
I love your videos!
Greetings from Mar del Plata (MDQ), Argentina.🇦🇷
Ricardo.
The most graceful airliner/private jet was the Lockheed L1011 piloted by King Hussein of Jordan. He even flew it once circling Jerusalem at 1000’ altitude. I flew the L1011 several times. The L1011 was truly the Rolls Royce of the skies!
Only after it passed through 10,000 ft. The L-1011, particularly its RB211-22B engine, had very poor dispatch reliability.
The L1011 TriStar had very high dispatch reliability because of redundancy, three of “everything”. There are variants of the L1011/RB211 with big improvements on engine reliability. In middle east the RB211-22 was better in the heat than B747 JT9D-7’s in terms of reliability, the -7’s failed a lot.
The DC-10 competitor of the same era was superior.
@@command7772it was a maintenance hog.
Agree - L1011 was a well engineered aircraft way ahead of its time. Unfortunately the Death-Craft 10 was the one airlines chose. To the detriment of its victims,
I’m a 70yo Veteran and retired Corporate Pilot. My first type rating was in the Jetstar L1329.
A very fun aircraft to fly.
loud and smokey! Love it!
mine was the Tu-104. the perfect jet, nothing since has even come close
The 757 pays dividends in look and speed, not in efficiency. It’s the “Ferrari of the skies”, not a cost effective minivan.
It's... not actually that fast? It's notably slower than most business jets and its wing was designed specifically with high-lift efficiency in mind. It's not very swept. The excess thrust is about acceleration and climb rate (to cope with hot and high conditions), not top speed. Average cruise speed is Mach 0.80, slower than the A330, 777, 787.
The 757 was especially popular with European charter airlines and its only really been phased out due to its age and the arrival of aircraft with engines that are literally multiple generations newer.
It was absolutely a cost effective minivan *in its time*.
It's slower than most widebodies. Normal cruise speed is .80-.81 just like its big bro the 767. As compared to .83 for the A330 and A340, .84 for the 777 and .85-.86 for the 747, 787, A380 and A350. Some of the fastest BJs can cruise around .88-.90 and the Cessna Citation X can even go supersonic in a shallow dive (not legally of course).
It got it's name “Ferrari of the skies” (with the Rolls-Royce engines) for it's ability to accelerate and climb at low altitudes better then any other plane making it the bomb for air traffic controllers. They can throw that plane into and out of a pattern like no other plane and is bar none their favorite plane to deal with. It can be a real time saver at busy airports when they can sneak you into a pattern that no other plane would be able to maneuver that quickly. Top speed isn't everything in racing, it's all how you come out of the corners.
@@wally7856 Give and take. The 757 did have the downside of generating a considerable amount of wake turbulence for its size. Although not classed as a heavy, it was typically treated like one in terms of separation.
Indeed.
I'd choose the 717 as my business plane of choice.
@@wm9346 Why?
Great episode and the 757 is by a long way my favourite place ever!
Ryanair for sure loves their airstairs on the 737s
757'S DO LOOK JUST LIKE A BIRD OF PREY, GORGEOUS
On a hot summer day in Denver around 2004 our 757 left the gate fully loaded while other company planes were removing passengers and luggage, great airplane!
757 has the highest thrust to weight ratio of any passenger jet every built, it's been nearly unmatched in its capability for taking off out of hot and high airports for decades now.
Forgive me, I don't understand this comment. There are plenty of hot days the world over and plenty of aeroplanes landing and taking off at any one time at airports. What's so special about this time in Denver? Not intending to sound like I'm criticising - I'm just confused. Thanks.
@@bordershader I understand that not everyone understands the physics behind “density altitude”, it’s defined as pressure altitude corrected for non standard temperature. As temperature and altitude increase air density decreases, less dense air negatively affects the performance of the aircraft. The 757 is less affected because of its great power and well designed wings, in high/hot airports it can carry a full load while ordinary airplanes are less able to.
@@davesemak that prompted me to look up the altitude of Denver Airport - crikey! Some passengers can get altitude sickness during layovers there! Now your comment makes perfect sense. Thanks, my friend, much appreciated.
@@bordershader There must be something wrong here.
Wikipedia tells me, Denver Airport is just at an altitude of 1635m. That's a very moderate altitude - far from where you start feeling anything different.
That's exactly the altitude of average prealpine foothills in Germany. Breathing there is totally normal, no problems whatsoever.
You may start feeling a little bit of thinner air at the Schneefernerhaus near the top of the Zugspitze at an altitude of 2656m, which is located 300m below the mountain's peak. But just maybe. If you're a tourist from Hamburg, maybe you start feeling thinner air there.
And that's another 3280 feet upward from Denver Airport - but nobody ever gets altitude sickness at the Zugspitze - really not.
Tourists are skiing there regularly without any issues. In masses.
I like his choice of smaller (super midsize, technically) business jet better. That is a Cessna Citation X, registration N725DT. Very fast, very efficient.
The one time I chartered a business jet for personal use, I chose a Dassault Falcon 900B, in 1999. Beautiful plane, as are its newer variants the Falcon 7X and Falcon 8X. Those would be in the running if I were forced to accept a free jet with free operation and fuel for the rest of my life. The Bombardier Global Express series is equally tempting, despite having only 2 engines rather than the sexy trijet configuration of the particular Falcons I mentioned.
The local billionaire who keeps his planes based in my small town, used to have 3 or 4 jets for his business. He eventually pared it down to one, a Falcon 2000. Basically a more economical 2-engine version of the Falcon 900/7X/8X series, same body tube. But he's getting old and must figure he can't take all his money with him, because he added a second, bigger, brand new jet last hear The Global Express 5500 is quite a spectacular plane if the $50 million price doesn't hurt too much. The longest flight I've tracked him taking, was from New Hampshire to Patagonia. 11 hours, non-stop, almost due north-south..
I figured out that if I owned it, one route that I'd propose to test the bravery of crew, would be Ushuaia to Melbourne, nonstop over Antarctica. Could always shorten it to Tasmania if there were any headwinds or fuel consumption problems, right?
While the bigger, longer range 6500, 7500, and 8000 are tempting, I really think he hit the sweet spot with the 5500. It's still got a crazy-long range, and is especially efficient for a plane that size. Making the length of the tube longer, or adding seats, doesn't impress me. I think he got it just right. So the 5500 pretty much goes wherever he goes for business or pleasure, and the Falcon 2000 shuttles his family members to and from him, or a top executive in his company taking a critical business trip without him, but that is rare. Rich old guy, still wants to be on every critical business trip himself.
For smaller, more economical stuff, I think Citation CJ4 and CJ3+ are hard to beat, especially if the ability to fly it solo is worth anything to you.
Maybe you can purchase it after he has to give up his illegally gotten gains.
Trying to outguess Trump is a challenge. When the jet was out of service everyone assumed it would never to return to service. As of now it's the most advanced 757 in the world with zero-hours RR RB211s, fully updated glass cockpit and avionics, winglets and a few other refinements. In its current configuration it has intercontinental range. Maybe Trump could afford an A321, but it would never have the cachet of the 757. It's the sportscar of airliners, even though over 30 years old. Wherever it lands, no one's watching anything else.
I know a guy who used to work for Boeing. His job at one point was to make sure new landing gear was ready and waiting at the destination airport when a BBJ reached the maintenance interval that required its replacement. Learning that was an eye-opener.
I’ve seen all your videos and, as an old cargo pilot, this is the best”deep dive” you’ve ever done! Brilliant video!
I was at the Orlando airshow a few years ago and you can buy brand new airliners set up as private jets. They are amazing.
Something I was expecting you to mention and that didn't come up is the cost while parked. As I understand it aircraft like Trumps are intended to be flown regularly almost daily. Parking them for weeks or even months at a time still has a high maintenance cost/ready to fly cost. I remember hearing about this during the pandemic when Airlines we're keeping less planes ready to fly and putting some in longer term storage so they didn't have to keep starting them to keep everything lubricated etc.
If I remember, somebody (probably a sheik) ordered an A380 as a private jet. To my knowledge, it was never delivered, but it would have been hell of a business jet. Fuel burn and parking fees may have been slightly higher than a Citation, but if you can afford to buy an A380, you can pay the parking bills.
I remember reading about that too. It was going to cost somewhere around a billion for the whole package. Trying to imagine a billion dollar 2 story flying palace is mind blowing. To think there are actually a select handful of people who could afford such a thing...
The sheik of Dubai got one from Airbus when he ordered 70 other A380s for Emirates. Sounds crazy, but with that order, it was less than a 3% discount...
One huge disadvantage not mentioned is that there are weight limits at a lot of smaller more convenient general aviation airports airports with less traffic and delays, that easier to get in and out of, and closer to where you want to be.
... it was mentioned ..
As a passenger, I have never experienced greater acceleration from standing still than when I am in a 757. It pins you to the seat for a couple of seconds. Some pilots used to call it the "Dragster of Passenger Aircraft". Somewhere I read that it was designed for a specific airport in China with very demanding takeoff performance. Is that true?
More likely designed for La Paz Bolivia - the highest international airport in the world (>13,000ft) and also needing a steep landing and takeoff as there are 20,000+ft mountains nearby. There are a couple of higher domestic airports in Tibet but they would not have been a commercial consideration in the 1970s (if they even existed then) when the 757 was designed.
You haven't flown on British Airways 747-400 when it took off from Denver International Airport under certain meteorological condition. That was only time I was pinned back to the seat during the 747's take-off.
The 757 has the highest thrust to weight ratio of any commercial passenger jet ever built or flown, and yes the 757 is very powerful and was good for taking off out of hot and high airports where the air is thin and other jets with a lower thrust to weight ratio would have trouble.
@Cynsham
757-200 0.341
Tupelov TU 154B 0.360
Concorde 0.372
Powerful agreed, but not even the highest power to weight ratio for a subsonic airliner.
neither the Tupelov TU 154B or the Concord is still flying.....therefore...well....yeah@@neilpickup237
As Someone who worked for a company that does conversions to private Airliners (including 747s) and now a company that operates private jets, I may offer some insights here.
For most airliners there is a specific low usage maintenance schedule already in the manual. And for business jets too, as there are also some who are rarely used even for business jets.
Maintenance off base is not so much an issue. You will need a dedicated organisation (CAMO) to run the maintenance schedule and unplanned maintenance, at least in europe. An there are lots of maintenance facilities and response teams around the globe from the airlines who are very happy to support your maintenance. At a price of course.
Sometimes it is way more complicated to find specific business jet companies with the appropriate licences.
Another practical reason is the avialability of parts. There will be way more spare parts on the market than for dedicated business jets. A nusually for a better price as you could easily get a part that would not last long until life limit in an airliner, but if you just fly 500 Hrs per year, instead of every week, you can get years of service out of parts that an airline would not even consider.
its mostly dumb but people use it as a status symbol which is the biggest reason why I think it is still going on
Yes, exactly.
Not so, these billionaires don't need this for status, it's for efficiency, just think of all the hassle you have to go trough to fly commercial these days. For status they prefer luxury yachts.
So if it needs to be larger than a standard Business jet, the venerable A-310 would have probably been a good choice as it is the smallest aircraft that gives you more interior space.
Interesting video covering a niche area.
Early A320 aircraft did have built in air stairs . These were made temporally inactive when one deployed inadvertently on the ground and a modification was required. This did not prevent UK PM Thatcher form visiting BAe Filton to open the then new design centre using a BA A320 . The air stair was reactivated to allow her to disembark.
An accessible private ex airliner is located at Brooklands Museum. This is the ex British United standard VC10 G-ASIX built in 1964. This aircraft was purchased by the Omani Royal Flight as A40-AB. It served from 1974 to 1987 , when it was donated to the Museum and flown into the temporally reopened runway at Weybridge. The interior of the aircraft is available to view and the flight deck is usually accessible.
I remember talking to a billionaire's chief pilot about BBJs 20some years ago. His disqualifying factor was that a BBJ is very hard to get into a hangar at iirc Sun Valley Idaho, which means in the winter you'd have to drain all the fluids, which means it take some time to leave if the billionaire wanted to leave early. As that wouldn't be acceptable. So he was buying a new GV.
You could also store the plane outdoors in an area that doesn’t have freezing when you’re not using it.
@@neilkurzman4907 Well, sure. What's the nearest airport to Sun Valley that's always above freezing in January & Feb? Tucson AZ?
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So, which would be cheaper flying the plane to a storage yard, we’re doing all of that maintenance. Which, of course leaves the plane unusable.
@@neilkurzman4907 Right. So, IIRC, they bought a new Gulfstream V, which also cost less than a new BBJ. And the GV fit in the FBO hangar.
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I only responded to your comment about the trouble. It would be to store the Jet during the winter. I only pointed out that it was mobile.
Now about what plane the theoretical billionaire bought I wouldn’t know.
On my first 1 leg cross-country as a student pilot, I landed the almost new Cessna 152 at Ryan Field in Baton Rouge. Going in for a cup of coffee, I was soon in a conversation with a fellow pilot named Bill. He said he was there for a short business appt, and I looked longingly at an older but beautifully maintained Lear Jet he had setting on the ramp. As our conversation continued, he offered to walk out by his plane with me. I remembered the beauty of bluing of the landing gear & how I hesitated a bit when he asked if I wanted to try out the left seat. A nice visit and further learning of the brotherhood of pilots. Bill was a nice guy. A couple of weeks later, reading Flying Magazine, there was Bill"s face smiling back over the introductive lines beneath him, "BILL GATES, CEO of Gates Rubber Co. & owner of LearJet Inc. I had had no clue of the caliper of man I had met.
You mean Bill LEAR, right? Gates is the Microsoft guy. Bill Lear was founder of Learjet and was forced to sell it to the Gates Rubber Company back in the late 60s.
@marcusw5283 Bill Gates of computer fame & fortune is not the same Bill Gates, brother of John Gates, that together with Bill became fabulously wealthy developing & further perfecting the manufacture of automotive, truck & farm rubber tires. Expansion of a wide range of rubber based goods such as fan belts & many other products ensued. Fair skies & tail winds, Marcusw5283
I always wondered why the "terrible teen" B788 (the first few off the production line) that were overweight, couldn't be sold as business jets. They would never fly fully loaded, so wouldn't be impacted as much as when used as airliners. And there would be none of the disadvantages of using a B737/A320 series.
But all of the disadvantages of upsizing from a normal business jet still applies, and is amplified one size higher. So it would be completely impractical for the buyer. Thanks, this video clarified things for me.
Super cool video. I enjoy these informational type videos almost as much as the crash videos. Your airline accident videos are so amazing I’m glued to my screen. I first got into this genre by discovering the flight channel, which is almost completely animated and captioned with the exception of a transmission here and there and some frames of real airplanes and airports. Having said all that those videos are amazing in their own way and I have a deep appreciation for the skill, hard work, and dedication on top of all the time it takes to put just one video together. A tip of the hat to you good sir
For me personally I would want a C130. I can bring two of my 4WD and all the stuff I might want! I have spent hundreds of hours as a passenger on them LOL.
I like it! New dream plane when I become a multi billionaire@@null6343
This was a very informative video! 🙌🏾✈️ I never knew about the complexities behind converting commercial passenger jets into business jets. I thought it was more straightforward
yeah, I haven't been in the market recently, and didn't realize how the details how changed 🤣🤣
I bet, Iron Maiden were surprised too and that's why the 747 period was so short lived.
3:04 Fun fact: Google is fighting against that usage of the word because they could loose trademark if it became a common word for internet searching.
* gone googling for more info *
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Genericide.
The English built Bac 111 was one of the first airliners that was popular to be used as a Buisness Jet .. It used the Rolls Royce Spey engines the same as the Gulf stream buisness jets used.. With the Bac 111 rear power airstair it's GPU in the tail of the plane made it less dependant on ground support equipment.. Some of those conversions converted some of the belly cargo compartment space into additional fuel tanks .. Also they could carry alot more weight and passenger bringing excess baggage is no problem unlike alot of buisness jets.. So there is plusses and minuses .. The only airliner conversion to buisness jet I was ever around was a Bac 111 it's tail number was N56B... It was converted from airliner to buisness jet in the 1960's by Beckett Aviation Youngstown Ohio the Bac 111 was bought from Allegheny airlines ..
The convertibility between air stairs and belly tanks made me wonder why Petter presented the removal of the air stairs as a ballast problem.
These jets may only be carrying 15 or 20 people, but those people invariably have giant heavy egos that require the lifting capacity of an airliner.
Can't imagine what their excess ego fees might be?
I can think of some cases where the weight of the ego is outweighed by the lifting power of the hot air they produce.
Nature has a way of balancing.@@kenoliver8913
A sheikh brought his two wives and four daughters from Jeddah to Nice for a month of shopping and vacation. They brought 82 pieces of luggage and on the return flight they stacked 30 small trees in pots, in the back of the airplane, for their garden.
Fun fact about the 747 Ed force one had a customized stage where iron maiden did a concert while flying wish i won tickets for that one lol but the band uses these planes to fly to their shows bruce flying some of the trip himself then lets the other pilots take over during certain legs of flight
6:04 I want to turn my nose up add a life with more leisure and luxury in it, but honestly, I could not stomach having a private jet liner that is so big, that I have to have a private business jet with my mechanics in it. Not even if I won $500 million in the lottery. It would be nice to have a little Cessna 172 to go toting around some scenic destinations in. I had an opportunity to fly one for an hour just once. It was beautiful and fun, even if I was a little nervous.
Similar to what I'd do, probably. Buy something small and when I really need to travel either do a "road trip" or get a jet from NetJets or similar. I read somewhere the point when it becomes cheaper to own a plane is when you use it more than 200 hours per year. For yachts, that point is around 10 weeks per year, just for the record... ;-)
The part with a C172 going sightseeing is actually something I actually considered - I was thinking about getting licensed in the US (I live in Germany), then chartering a C172, fly it around the US for a few weeks and build hours for getting the license transferred here... issues with my eyes stopped me from implementing that.
The Corporate Jet A319 MSN1256 was delivered with the Air Stairs installed. This first registration was F-GSVU, "VU" meaning Vivendi Universal.
That's something only an insider would spot, and that's also what makes it great to know! 😁
@@musmuk5350 Yes, you are right. At that time I was systems responsible for the completion of this Corporate Jet. I remember well the story of this airstairs as the switch control is located on the front landing gear, so easily accessible on ground. We had to develop a box, locked with a key, to protect against malicious intrusion ...
I watch esysman’s site in super yachts and am utterly mesmerised that people have support ships to carry the toys for their huge super yachts - now I find that they have support planes for their wide body flying palaces - gosh truly I live in a different world 😂
Yes we do. The rich are certainly different than us. Especially the rich who get small donations from many tens of thousands of gullible cult members.
Thank you for a great channel. I really enjoy watching while going through chemo
Sending prayers that your chemo will be successful.
Have flown tens of thousands of miles on Delta's 757s. I really like that plane's looks. I have heard many Delta captains say they LOVE the plane because of its performance. One captain announced how he loved those P&W engines! Once during a ground delay the captain let me sit in his seat for a photo. Highlight of my flying career.
I’m not sure how many 757 BBJs Boeing built but recall that a New Orleans based company called Freeport McMoran had one built in the mid 1990s and housed in their huge hangar at KMSY. Being a large natural resources company (mining, exploration etc) they routinely flew it to holdings in Indonesia and the far east.
It, as well as the several Gulfstreams in their fleet were eventually sold as the company went NetJets. I flew with several of their pilots during the early 2000s when I worked for NetJets International flying the Gulfstream IV. These guys had quite a few interesting stories about operating their 757 all over the globe.
Also, having retired to Sarasota Florida, I noted another corporate B757 which sat on the ramp on the GA side of KSRQ, and never moved from that position, as far as I could tell, for the seven years that I’ve been here, until it finally disappeared several months ago.
Excellent video. From an airline's perspective, of course technical variables such as fuel consumption, maintenance costs, use of airport space, cycles, etc., are critical for purchasing decisions. Not so for a billionaire that those cost variables are simply minor details.
I think I heard this from you Petter: " How do you go from being a billionaire to a millionaire? Buy an airline." I think I'd just contract an airline company for my needs if I had these needs. I would pay them to deal with all maintenance and all that.
Hence the large number of planes with ever-upgraded first class compartments.
That's why you permanently lease the plane from a specialist company that looks after all that for you.
@@kenoliver8913 True. :)
I think the saying was: How to being a millionaire with an airline?
Be a billionaire and buy one.
Was coming from Richard Branson.
Impressive. Very nice.
Let’s see Paul Allen’s business jet
And Steve Job's megayacht
I think the performance characteristics could make it worth it. It allows you to take off in conditions others may not which could be important for VIPs on a tight schedule.
I wonder if a BAe 146 or Fokker 100 would be able to provide a spacious cabin as well as modest ground handling requirements. Both of them are short range though.
Very disappointed that you excluded widebodies. I was hoping for analysis of Iron Maiden's 747. 🤣
Iron Maiden's 747 was still an airliner. It was wet leased from Air Atlanta Icelandic.
Very entertaining episode ! Specially the greater wing sweep of private jets gets additional interest with the knowledge that the wing of the first Learjet was transferred from the supersonic P 16 Swiss military jet, this only had small sweep angles but featured a laminar flow profile (thus the wingtip tanks as the thin wings harbored less fuel than usual) PS: Some may ask why shorter gear goes against elongating the fuselages ; it is because of the higher danger of tail strikes during take off and landing. Next : An Episode about John Travolta´s private 707. LOL
Hey love your channel, but you got this one wrong.
The 757-200 is one of the best private jet conversion platforms of all time.
You correctly noted that the 757-200 has one of the highest thrust to weight ratios of any airliner. You correctly noted that standard mid-range commercial jets like the 757 don't have the same range capability as Gulfstreams. You also noted that aux tanks are usually installed in the baggage hold, to extend their range. As a private jet it won't be flying with 200 pax, but it could easily be flying with an additional 35,000 lbs of fuel in auxiliary tanks, plus the significant weight of the extra tanks themselves.
-The whole point of private jets is to fly into closer and more convenient airports, which often have shorter runways. 757's great thrust rating means it can take off from shorter runways even when at normal commercial airliner weights because of full aux tanks for a long flight.
-757-200 conversions have greater max range than 737 conversions. The 757 starts out with more range from the factory and also has more baggage space and weight margin to add aux tanks.
-Most importantly, the 757 had operational challenges very relevant to airlines but not at all relevant to private operators, so they were quickly available to the private jet conversion market even when they were relatively new and desirable, such as when Trump acquired his, AT GREAT PRICES. That's the key, as you mentioned, nobody wants to pay list price for a commercial airliner, the trick is finding opportunities where an airliner model has been deprecated before its time and you can get good condition used models at rock bottom prices.
For airlines, the boarding process for the 757-300 was downright infamous, and the -200 was nobody's favorite either. Even worse than the boarding process for operators was the unloading and loading of baggage, all done manually in the 757 like in the 737, except for up to 250 passengers in the case of the -300. Handling the baggage was the bottleneck, making the 757s some of the slowest airplanes to turn around during an airline bank. Even the A320 has containerized baggage. It was also hard for commercial operators to justify the 757's fuel burn when the 757's extra performance was overkill for the vast majority of routes. There were a few key transcontinental routes into short-runway airports that also had enough demand to fill a 757. There were some narrow transatlantic routes that 737's didn't have the range to serve but that 767s were too big for. But overall these niche use cases weren't enough to keep airlines interested, so the secondhand market for 757s tanked, and people like Trump were able to pick up a ridiculously good airplane for pennies on the dollar.
Tastefully done and very informative. Who knew what was involved in some of these adaptations?
Correction: Elvis had two Jetstars.
True.
Just think of how much more beer you can take with you in an airliner compared to a traditional Private Jet!
Which ironically in the case of Trump means nothing because he doesn't drink alcohol haha. I suppose beer for his guests.
Are extreme quantities of alcohol really that important to you?
There is alcohol free beer to, you know. To name a few: Munkholm, Aas Bryggerier, Clausthaler, Ringnes, Warsteiner, Erdinger and many more. As you see, you need a big aircraft to get room for all this.
In the 90s I worked at Palm Beach Aerospace Group, a finishing center where all manner of jets were totally refurbished and customised. Jetwinds, Falconjets, Westwinds, Lears, Boeings. Did a 747-300C for the daughter of the Sultan of Brunei for a 6wk shopping trip. The Rolling Stones leased the same plane later.
Televangelists like the big planes too, mostly 727,737s. And in a class of his own there is John Travolta.
Very interesting, thank you. Of course the vast majority go business jet owners and operators are concerned with convenience and fuel economy, but just like the original business jet owners, there still remain a small number of business jets that mainly serve as a way of making a statement about the owner - just like those luxury yachts you see in at the harbor in places like Monte Carlo. It's the "Look at me!" factor that they want, and fuel economy is not a consideration - it's the price you pay for the biggest, brightest shiny toy at the airport. And the B757 as well as the B747 definitely fills the bill!
Boeing does design beautiful planes. Still, for me, the Connie, VC10 and Caravelle will always be my top 3 of all time.
Sweet, sweetly, Connie
BOAC Super VC-10s all the way!
The aforementioned Connie, DC-3 and DC-10 for me.
Thank you for your balanced and informative reporting this and all videos!
2:25 Mentour took the words right out of my mouth, “Didn’t Elvis own one of those too?”
If I had that kind of money part of me would lean toward something vintage like a 727. But unlike a classic car I don't know if you'd be able to effectively buy, restore, & fly your own private classic jet.
John Travolta does with a 707.
I love your content! I was wondering if you could revisit topics for the nervous flyers. I know it made a HUGE difference for me. Although I am still somewhat nervous when flying it's nowhere near as bad as before. I used to literally get cramps in both legs when flying. It would also be helpful to isolate them as a playlist. Thank you. RJB
Have a look at the fascinating story of Peter Chan Chun-Chuen (陳振聰). He's a Hong Kong business man who ordered an Airbus A350 as his own private jet in 2007, 6 years before the aircraft first flew. He ordered it soon after a well-known businesswoman there, Nina Wang, died of ovarian cancer. Turns out he forged the signature of the will supposedly written by her, and this became a criminal case which saw him being sentenced to 12 years in jail for fraud in June 2013, a few weeks after the A350 first flew. One of the revelations during his trial is that he funneled a lot of money (probably at least US$1 billion) from the now-deceased businesswoman to him, starting from that forged will, all for him to purchase that A350. When this case started becoming publicly known in 2008, he cancelled the A350 order in 2008 along with selling his Gulfstream 450 and a helicopter amid the scandal.
Just imagine, one person and his family owning and occupying a whole private jet otherwise designed for 300 people. I wonder what led him to this idea in the first place.
Wealthy people are detail oriented always calculating and tick differently
Megalomania
yep, ego. Plus ask a greedy person "how much is enough" ?
I would just love to see the monster mobster T get 12 years for all the hurt his frauds caused.
Hubris, combined with swank.
@@bobobaggans6871 Who is this monster mobster T? He sounds like an impressive person.
A big point to add: NetJets used to operate BBJ’s. A large issue was it couldn’t access many smaller airports that their GulfStreams could. The most glaring was the BBJ couldn’t operate out of Teterboro. That’s the corporate jet mecca and closest to Manhattan. It’s not so much runway limits, but weight bearing limits.
EXCELLENT as usual. I can tell by miles away that you love Boeing airplanes, that is good. I flew the 727 for 12 years and it was great, but now I am a Airbus A320/A321 captain and let me tell you that Boeing airplanes are something like Honda/Jeeps, the Airbus are Mercedes. Take care and fly safe.
I'm happy with my bicycle.
Me too 😊
Fascinating. Excellent level of detailed analysis. 👍
Elvis had a fear of flying and although he had overcome it by the mid 70´s he still insisted on getting a plane with 4 engines instead of 2. This made him feel safer in case of an engine failure. That´s why he went with the Convair!
The question is what is the objective. If we look at the CEO of Boeing, he doesn't use airliners! In fact the fleet of Boeing jets used to move the executives are not Boeing built.
So what would I recomend?
Big enough to conduct business and sleep aboard. Small enough to operate at smaller airports that are closer to destinations.
Everything else, including operating costs are secondary as the only justification to own a business jet is that the executive time is so valuable the company is willing to buy and operate an expensive mode of transportation.
When I worked at Northrop we had a different class of business aircraft. These were shuttles between plants. Eventually Northrop operated scheduled service between Hawthorne's Jack Northrop Field and the B2 plant in Palmdale. For this we had a twin turboprop. Some of the executives lived far off and flew their own planes from home to Jack Northrop Field.
In general the only sensible solution is to charter the appropriate aircraft for each use and not be in the business of air operations.
On the other side if you have the money and the desire, you own your own airplane. If I was ridiculously rich I would own a Consolidated Catalina. This would be fit out as a recreational vehicle so I could live aboard and land on the water as well as airports. Maintenance would be terible on old Cat, speed would be slow, but I wouldn't need a hotel room and I could fish or swim right from the Cat.
Great video! I'm surprised you did not talk about the business jet version of the A220.
Ahh seeing those built in air stairs on those Ryanair 737s ruffled my feathers! 🤣 As a female of average height and weight I get nervous opening those heavy door on that narrow platform in gusty conditions.
But… I dunno even if I were super rich I think I’d just pick up a little specialist private jet over a custom/refitted airliner. But if I had to pick an airliner I’d probably go with an A319 or A320. The former is just so cute with its little body making the engines look a little oversized.
Same for me. If I had the money and needed a corporate jet with tons of cargo/passenger space, I'd get an A319 ACJ, used if possible since that helps with the high maintenance costs.
Maintenance and pilot training on a large private jet are actually more expensive than on a B737 BBJ or B757 BBJ. FYI: Pilot Type ratings on a G550, Falcon 7X, Global 7500 are over $80K, while type rating on a B737 is $12K.
I'm pretty sure the point of having a giant airliner as your private jet is as a flex. so the more it costs and the less practical it is the better
Compared to the Airbus A321, they also made a Boeing BBJ C, and now BBJ MAX 9, which is significantly longer than the baseline 737 BBJ
Any B737 Max is just asking for problems
Not just Trump’s 757, I think the design of the 757 itself is beautiful and iconic.
I think that's what Petter was referring to, although the livery is surprisingly understated for anything operated by Mar-a-Lardo. Surprised it isn't mostly gold and with gewgaws and curlicues and serifs everywhere...
I love that it pisses off liberals.
@@christopherbedford9897I believe he did a gold plate various things on the jet...so yeah...🙄
If I had the money to do it, I would definitely get a 757 as a business jet. Very roomy and comfortable. Also able to land in very small runways like MHTG (now closed to international flights), and also enough range to do transatlantic flights with a full load of fuel. So yeah all the conveniences, landing options and ranges to get almost everyone
Thanks for another informative vid.
Adds yet another example of the style over business sense, of you know who.
Maybe a video on why Boeing didn’t modernize the 757 instead of endlessly stretching the 737 until they ended up with the Max software/training problems.
There are many in the industry that say that Boeing canceling the 757 was their biggest mistake.....I tend to agree
Trump's 757 does have very smart livery imho. I also watched a video on YT with a detailed tour of the airliner showing the opulent interiors and a good interview with Trump's pilot. The video also followed the plane going in for a major overhaul including re-painting. Donald insists on having Rolls-Royce engines, speaking of his great admiration for RR. All the crew and ground staff interviewed clearly enjoyed working for Trump with obvious affection for him and gave the strong sense they were very well treated by the boss.
For a long time I didn´t like the looks of the 757 very much just because of the lack of familiarity of the cockpit window layout that is so similar between the 707, 727, 737, 767 and even the 747 to some extent. The 757 cockpit area reminded me of the L-1101 or the Airbus 320 family but seemed quite Boeing-unlike. Only after learning that the 757 was designed on purpose to have a similar seating position to the 767 and after your bird of prey reference it´s starting to grow on me. Funny how we get acquainted to objects that are mostly designed with form following function.
"Bird of Prey", exactly what I've always thought and why I love the 757!
I wonder if there are any former airliners that are running experimental class with modified engines or something really unique. I wonder what the largest production aircraft that's been transferred to experimental for non commercial reasons has been? (IE, I'm sure NASA has done a few, not those.)
Edit:
Another oddball question in the same lane came to mind
I wonder if a commercial high bypass engine has ever been grafted onto something as an experimental class
Great explanation Petter, it’s true aviation!
I think the most important reason Trump chose the 757 was to tell his competitors, "Look. My bird is bigger than yours."
Yeah, he's definitely not one to appeal to the sort of people who would value fuel efficiency and low maintenance costs.
A friend of mine once purchased a jet, instead of carrying a briefcase full of first class tickets.
18 months later, he sold it, and when I asked him why, this is what he said, "Not only is it very difficult to sell people planes when you arrive in your private jet, but you have nowhere to wait until the aircraft is ready to board. That really sucks. And the first class lounges are very civilised, and I can use them at every airport - but not if I'm in my own plane."
It seems like jets are more of an "FU" to people the owners don't like - in the worst kind of Affluenza display possible.
- also i assume the smaller Learjets or small business jets can easily deal with shorter runways at small airports, compared to B737/A320...
- given ideal weather conditions, with full brakes and reverse thrusters, what is the shortest distance a B737 or A320 can can come to a full stop on a runway? (distance between wheel touchdown and full complete stop)
A318 (basically a short 319/320 with similar wings/engines) can operate in and out of LCY but a 737 can't...
But i think BBJ2 can perform short distance landing and take off. That's why a former president in my country chose it as a presidential plane
"Impressive. Very nice. Let's see Paul Allen's private jet."
I just love this aircraft, flow with Islandiar several times and as far as it comes to passanger comfort low noice and softnes is one of the most nice aircraft I ever been traweling in. Yesterday I had a flight with a brand new 737 max 8 and thought about howe noicy it was. Dispite the new weary frech cabin, it gives more of an old DC9 feeling if you happens to have a seat just near the engeines. I was thinking why Boing did not take cabin noice into a larger perspective as they designed this new aircraft .Maby you have the ansver of that ??