I got one for the wife and I can't leave it alone, it is awesome. This is the most fun car I have ever driven and every time I drive it I get out and think, that's really good. Unlike the MG4, which I drive normally, the software works. Also, the interior is really classy with soft finishes nearly everywhere and it is a Tardis, it's bigger on the inside. Steering is well balanced, road handling is bang on, acceleration is surprisingly good and it looks great as well. Bought as a run around for the wife but she may be left with the MG4.
My neighbour has the Ora Cat. He uses it every day to and from work and loves it. He charges at home (220 Volt) and never needs to use a charging station.
The issue is calendar ageing: battery degradation, components reliability and especially rust. If globalists think that I will be buying their new ev cars every five years or so - they might as well drive them themselves.
Always choose an EV whenever possible . When you sneak out, your neighbors won't notice you start the engine. When parking inside your garage, there's no exhaust fume inside the house.
I have both an MG ZS EV Mk 1 and an Ora and I find they both have good lane centering. The answer is lane centering. Set the lane keep assist to the highest level so it keeps the car in the middle of the lane.
I really like the GWM Ora Cat. I've sat in one 3 times at different shows, and I get nice vibes off the car. Cute, comfortable, well made and well featured. It's a little slow when rapidly charging, but this is a nice runaround, so that's not quite so important. Unless my info is out of date, it's still a little pricy here in the UK, but I expect that to come down as all BEVs are doing. Nice car.
Sam said it. "" these cars are getting cheaper and will continue to get cheaper" this means wait to buy for a cheaper price as the prices are trending down.
The concern with Chinese BEVs is a lack of statistical quality assurance. Chinese BEV makers don't know what it is ; maybe they don't. The purpose is to eliminate bad parts and bad build quality. Chinese BEVs can have 1 in 10 vehicles with bad parts or bad welds, or rust in paint which Viking reported of new BYDs in Oz. This should be 1:10,000 or less chance. Bad parts should nearly never get in a vehicle and bad build quality with indicators like bad paint in new cars be near never. Quality makers like Toyota do not have such poor attributes; so I do not think you can compare such cars - the price doesn't matter if your airbag doesn't work. Having one hand picked car pass a crash test isn't anywhere near the same assurance of safety that having every part tested for function is. I'd pick the Corolla every time as a result.
Ive gotten 218 000 miles from my 2008 Toyota Yaris hatchback. Thing runs Amazing and ive lived in it 6 Years on Jun 1. Lead acid battery powers a clip on USB Fan and charges my phone for 2 years for 100 bucks. Im definition of off grid for cheap
Price is what you pay. Value is what you get. Let's talk about depreciation. According to Red Book, a 2023 GWM Ora Standard Range now has a resale value of $19,500-$27,200 (49-68%) depending on whether you trade it in or sell privately. What will be worth after 2-3 years? Meanwhile a *two* year old Toyota Coralla ZR Hybrid is worth 86-107% of its original value. On average the Corolla costs $700 p.a. in depreciation, while the GWM Ora hits you with ~$16,000 in depreciation its first year! Furthermore the "driver assistance" technology in the GWM has been consistently reviewed as being over-sensitive and potentially dangerous.
14% depretiation in three years in the worst of cases? Nah, there's some serious market issues there. That's not normal for any vehicle, regardless how good. Just checked in my country: a 2 year old Corolla with 13.000km has 15% depretiation, a 3 year old one with 50k has 25%. It will obviously have better resale value than an EV, as EVs are lowering their prices every other month. But it's only a matter of time before that starts hurting ICE's resale value.
The cheapest used Ora’s currently (August 2024) listed on Carsales are $30k. The current new drive away price is from $35,990. Your hypothetical depreciation numbers aren’t even close to real world.
@@aja8590 I looked at this yesterday... I have a GWM dealer around the corner. The cheapest Ora's currently *are from a dealer* - they are 2023 demonstrator units and they are asking as little as $29.99k with 1,700km before negotiations commence. The Ora is depreciating while it is still brand new. Thus, what can a private owner expect after two years and 30,000km? The answer is... at best $20-$25k.
@@RodneyW Monitoring prices and watching and commenting on RUclips videos of a vehicle you have no interest in owning seems like a great use of your time. “Ora is depreciating while still new” because a 12+ month old demo vehicle is $30k vs $36 new for a brand 2024 model? Depreciation is one aspect associated with cost of ownership. Factor in running costs. If you’re on solar, the Ora will cost $0 in fuel. Not everyone is though, but there are energy plans which provide $0.08 per KWh midnight to 6am and free between 11:00am and 2:00pm. At $0.08 that works out at about $1.20 per 100km in fuel. A hybrid Corolla will cost about $8. Then there’s servicing, which the Ora only requires every 2 years. Novated leases aren’t suitable for everyone, but with no fridge benefits tax on EV’s and plug in hybrids, there can be significant savings over ICE vehicles. At the end of the day, if you buy a Chinese branded vehicle thinking the resale value is going to be anywhere near Toyota, you probably have done adequate research. Enjoy your Toyota.
In the UK, these are the cheapest EV by far on my company scheme. About 40% less than a similarly priced MG4. It’s obvious they are massively discounting them to fleets as they aren’t selling. I’m sure they’ll get rid of them but they must be making huge losses here.
@badchefi since most of them are going bust, with even NIO feeling the pinch, I would have to say that's not correct. And they have the advantage of having the battery materials and processes located domestically.
@@billcichoke2534 look at the early history of the automobile. At the beginning there was a huge rush and many manufacturers popped up. Only a few eventually survived. Same goes for most new technologies that conquer the globe.
@badchefi This apparently has to be repeated until people understand it...electric vehicles are the OLD technology; ICEVs are the NEW tech. And in actuality, comparably few ICEV companies went bust since the beginning of the 20th century. China has had most of the EV makers, all begun with government cash. The U.S. has its share, and ALL of them are laboring under the same problem. For what you get out of an EV, you want to spend less than you would for a comparable (and far more useful) ICEV. But the EV motors and batteries are far more expensive to make than an ICE and fuel system, not to mention the far more limited component elements needed to make them. What's happening all over the world proves this, and as governments are replaced and green subsidy dries up, all this stuff fades away.
Something I really don't understand - how is the BYD Dolphin a better car than the Ora? It ain't the 0-100 time. I see the MG4 is miles better, but the Dolphin seems like the least of the 3 to me.
Stick with the quality of a Hybrid Corolla... Reliable and fabulous resale... And cheaper insurance and repairs and better availablity of spares... Plus proven dealer support. Stick with something proven... Cheap to buy is not the whole measure of cost. And battery tech will improve heaps over next 10 years, maximum depreciation to come...
I love the idea of light, super efficient vehicles. My next vehicle will depend on infrastructure and available options, but I think something like an Aptera or a little Spark EV would be great. Maybe I could even get BYD in America!
Love the channel but you really shouldn't compare the average lifetime mileage of an ice car with the very best lifetime mileage of a Tesla. How about average mileage of an ice car with average mileage of an electric car?
Really need to ask the warranty on the battery. Then replacement cost. A reasonable battery repair and replacement ought to be coming to market as inventory increases.
The drive away price at my local dealerships for a Corolla is $35 972 just less that the ORA, the ORA has just had its price cut because they cant sell cars, given the state of the Chinese EV market and the likelihood this company will go bankrupt, buying the cheapest Chinese option you can find may not be the smartest move....
I really like this one and I'd get the base model with the LFP. It isn't selling here in Australia though. I think it is just that MG and BYD are too compelling in terms of size and range and being front wheel drive. But it's what I would choose as I like it more.
The basic Ora has all the toys you need at the basic level and is very well made and stylish, particularly the two-tone interior. It has plenty of power and handles and brakes well. It has some quirks which can be irritating for some people and I would recommend trying to get one for a week to drive. But it is very good value for an electric car and should last and last.
I think the Ora Cat is a nice well planed out car that most people will find more than nice to drive from day to day. The challenge is the motor, early testing has revealed that the motor can over heat during steep long inclines during high ambient temperature's. Charging speeds of 70kw could also be a challenge for some but not a big deal. Otherwise a nice car.
Yeah the Corolla he’s talking about for $36K is the mid spec hybrid, give me a Japanese petrol or hybrid any day. Not worth getting into a money pit EV
@@jamesralph5908 Money pit? I have a Model 3 for 5+ years, an ID 4 for almost 3 years, and a Model Y for 5 months. I did pay charging occasionally. Otherwise, my out of pocket has been only 2 tires on the Model 3 (due to nail puncture). That is it. How much money you would pay to drive and maintain 3 ICEs?
Fast fact. Tyler Hoovie of Hoovies Garage had americas cheapest Tesla model s for a cheap car challenge. He still had to spend $20,000 for a new battery to get the damn thing running and it had something like 300,000 miles on the body. He spent $10,000 for the car. Yeah it’s not worth it to get an EV.
GWM, is aligned with BMW, and clearly are taking the opportunity to gain has much experience from that relationship has possible. The cat model is cheap and the quality of assembly is excellent
Sam, please be aware that SAIC sub brand IM L6 is going to be released on April 8, 20:00pm, Beijing time. Will have the first ever solid state battery ( named Lightyear) in the industry, delivering more than 1000km of range. 900V fast charging. 770 hp, 0 to 100 km/h 2.75s.
If functional solid state batteries like that get produced at reasonably competitive prices imagine the buying regret of current EV owners driving outdated technology they can't offload.
It’s not just about longevity which EVs mostly outperform ICE nowadays, it’s the smart driving assistance and the luxuries that only Chinese EVs offer at such an affordable price which a Toyota Corolla would never match.
How much of that assist crap is going to be functional in 5 years? You understand, right, that Corolla is going to last for at least 400k KM's and 25 years with proper maintenance?
Because that's what usually malfunctions first in the older cars 20+ years. The same goes true for the newest gen of cars - with electronics being the weakest point.
Longevity of the Corolla? I'm still happily driving my 1998.... and get asked if I don't want to sell it weekly. What is the depreciation on that Chinese throwaway?
The thing to remember with pretty much all EVs is that it takes about the same amount of time to charge from 20%-80% as it does to charge the last 20%, so from a time management basis it’s not really an effective use of time. We’ve got a leaf that has always been charged to 100% over the last 5 years with no degradation to the battery so far.
@@05tep Haha I find it hard to believe a LEAF has no degradation. Unfortunately even the latest LEAF e+ suffers more degradation than other brands which all have battery temperature management. Which is a shame because it is a great little car in all other ways.
It is a really interesting question - hybrid or EV ; price is the same. Or more specific: cheapest corolla v cheapest ora good cat. Id like to see a video on this, that would be a really good comparison. On resale value - ok, Ora, no one has heard of it; maybe they fall apart - nobody knows, but ib the other hand: maybe in 3 years everyone wants an EV because petrol has spiked in price. An LFP battery lasts forever and that is half the value of the car....
Wouldn't but it cos it's Chinese, but so I would not Toyota for killing EVs for generations. So out of the two, definitely better car is that hello kitty thing. Also, as you pointed out, corolla's running costs and 200k mi lifespan at best is what it will do. That Tom thing will go on for ever and even if the batteries eill need replacing 30y from now, the cost and tech then will be so much better that it will be super-cheap to keep this oldsmobile running.
corolla now only come in hybrid standard and is driveaway for $35837 for a hybrid ascent sport in white refer to toyota website and can get over 900kms range sure is hybrid but still i would take corolla over an ora corolla will still be going in 15 years will the ora??
Just saw a 2023 demo vehicle going for A$32k drive away in car sales. Since it’s from a dealer with no previous owner, it’s probably likely that incentives may still apply for the states that still have them, which means that it might be less than A$30k for a virtually new EV.
What’s it worth in 5 years? How many km can you get from a GWM before it dies or the battery needs replacing? Electricity is not cheap, just like petrol isn’t. Is the Ora cool? Yeah I think so but I’m not throwing away $40K when the car is worthless when it comes to reselling. You’re being very disingenuous for not mentioning what money you’ll lose in the long run, it’s not just the drive away price you need to consider. It’s embarrassed by the Corolla
Agree but the only thing holding people back us range and charging anxiety. If you are low income one small car family, are you going to pick a car with 1,000km range or 310km driving range. You can do road trips in the corolla but not the Ora. No doubt Ora sales will rise and especially if they emphasise the 126kW for the rev heads that buy hot hatch Corollas, but I don't think this is the turning point. The turning point will be if BYD can bring the 70kW base soec 2025 Dolphin to Australia for $29,990.
its pretty close in pricing, though i found a dealership in australia selling a brand new Toyota Corolla Ascent Sport Sedan Automatic CVT for $33,045 Drive away.
I drive a Kia EV the depreciation of which in the first year is about 35% but hey I still love it , it cost's next to nothing to run so I'll keep it and no matter what value it has I'll never go back to being Mr gullible, buying fuel at whatever price the super rich owners of the oil companies decide to charge you, break free, go EV
Better wait for the Renault EV 5. Vehicle to grid is a key component for any new EV as it would be able to power your home for 3 day+. Batteries will continue to improve which will make newer Evs more attractive than older ones for the foreseeable future. I guessimate 100km of extra range for every year, so in 2026, a low priced car's battery will be able to provide 500km.
The BYD Atto 3 Design is far too expensive in the UK, tariffs and taxes have made it £39,695 that is almost the same cost as a Tesla Model 3 at £39,990. Ora 03 Pro+ with the 63kWh battery is £34,995 so still expensive.
Alan Fells had a media conference about the Australian economy and he said there was a $10,000 something placed on all imported Electric Vehicle to Australia.
You don't mention the handling of the car which, if the Haval by GWM is anything to go by, cannot be that great. I will admit that in other regards the car has quite a lot to recommend it, but the suspension type & tune is in my opinion critical.
I live in Nsw,,one thing NO ONE seems to clarify the cost off filling at home on ac power for say example this Ora car as to filling with your own faster charger and also general cost of a service provider fill To anyone considering the opinions that i would think a big deal Just my 2 cents worth for clarification for all ghe dummies in the room including i guess moi!
You cannot have your own fast charger at home. Most homes are limited to 11-15kw AC draw. Fast charging is done using DC at rates of 50kw or thereabouts
No smoke is probably the only thing the Ora (Good Cat) is better than the Corolla. Ora (Good Cat) is less than 4.5 meters long, so it can't be a Thai taxi by the Thai law. The Corolla has no problem with its length. Other reasons for choosing a Corolla are reliability, durability, and longevity, at least in beliefs. GWM dealership (which has the after sale services) is not yet available in Uttaradit. I don't want to go to Sukhothai if my car has problem. It is too far.
The Toyota Corolla starts at §26,000 AUD not $36000 AUD . The ORA is NOT cheaper than a Corolla it is $10,000 more expensive. There are so many errors in your videos it’s hard to believe that they are honest mistakes.
GWM has been peddling its Chinese cars for years in Australia. They have very low resale value. People want to see how reliable they are before buying one.
The Corolla is an unrefined car (even the hybrid) and has an interior that looks 20 years old with scratchy plastic everywhere and ghastly interior trims. I know cos I was given it as a loan car when I had my RAV4 serviced.
Corolla's have some of the lowest tech and crapiest material quality and finish in the car industry. Some can argue that its realiable, But so is my 1950 ancient tractor that is rough and no creature comfort. They are in different league in terms of tech and finish.
@@jlamm2223443 does the word "cheapest" mean anything? No current EV will be worth getting a new battery for when it's 10 to 15 years old so they will be disposed of. Look at how many unused EVs China is depositing of. All modern cars are designed to have limited life spans while we pretend to care about the environment.
Byd ev taxis have been plying the streets of Shenzhen in China since 2017. Many of them have clocked hundreds of thousands of km in mileage and still not needing to replace their batteries.
And yet Toyota up 35% Q1 from last year. Aus market up 13% and BEV up 10%. ICE is growing more than BEV at this point in AUS, even with China roaming freely. BYD's/MG BEV's sitting everywhere at dealers. I thought BEV growth would be stronger at this point.
Jai Hind. Our Raj wants the Collective West to produce cheap green products to comsumers under Biden's Inflation Reduction Act. But they don't like the folks to buy ultra-cheap product like ORA and the Raj knows that only we Indians can really outcompete the Chinese in the safe and secure Supply chain.
The cost of running an electric car is about equal to running an ICE car UNLESS YOU CAN CHARGE AT HOME especially if you have solar panels. But after 3 years the petrol engine needs servicing and this in where the running costs diverge.
I love how you stretch the facts to make a point. A Toyota only lasts 150,000 miles? We have a 2015 Camry right now that has 150,000 miles and runs like new. We kept a toyota pickup truck for 20 years that literally never failed once. We sold it because I am old and don’t drive anymore, so we don’t need a second vehicle. Will electric batteries last 20 years? If so, that’s good news. I am not an electric car hater, but I hate that you feel the need to stretch the facts in order to push your agenda. You are the Fox News of the automotive world.
Toyota Corollas are ridiculously overpriced and there are plenty of good cheaper Ice cars. That thing looks too small. I wouldn't feel safe in one and I don't risk my life in necessarily.
I got one for the wife and I can't leave it alone, it is awesome. This is the most fun car I have ever driven and every time I drive it I get out and think, that's really good. Unlike the MG4, which I drive normally, the software works. Also, the interior is really classy with soft finishes nearly everywhere and it is a Tardis, it's bigger on the inside. Steering is well balanced, road handling is bang on, acceleration is surprisingly good and it looks great as well.
Bought as a run around for the wife but she may be left with the MG4.
My neighbour has the Ora Cat. He uses it every day to and from work and loves it. He charges at home (220 Volt) and never needs to use a charging station.
The issue is calendar ageing: battery degradation, components reliability and especially rust. If globalists think that I will be buying their new ev cars every five years or so - they might as well drive them themselves.
I love my Ora, had it 6 months, no real issues, just hate lane assist, which all cars here in the UK have.
Always choose an EV whenever possible . When you sneak out, your neighbors won't notice you start the engine. When parking inside your garage, there's no exhaust fume inside the house.
Why can't you just turn lanes assist off
I have both an MG ZS EV Mk 1 and an Ora and I find they both have good lane centering. The answer is lane centering. Set the lane keep assist to the highest level so it keeps the car in the middle of the lane.
just wait until the warranty runs out.
You can turn off the lane assist - look it up there is a ORA pdf manual online.
I really like the GWM Ora Cat. I've sat in one 3 times at different shows, and I get nice vibes off the car. Cute, comfortable, well made and well featured. It's a little slow when rapidly charging, but this is a nice runaround, so that's not quite so important. Unless my info is out of date, it's still a little pricy here in the UK, but I expect that to come down as all BEVs are doing. Nice car.
It's now called the Ora 3 and is £35,000 on the road so not cheap, but is loaded with tech and SPIES on you
@@michaeledwards8079 Not as much as your phone spies on you.
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Sam said it. "" these cars are getting cheaper and will continue to get cheaper" this means wait to buy for a cheaper price as the prices are trending down.
The concern with Chinese BEVs is a lack of statistical quality assurance. Chinese BEV makers don't know what it is ; maybe they don't. The purpose is to eliminate bad parts and bad build quality. Chinese BEVs can have 1 in 10 vehicles with bad parts or bad welds, or rust in paint which Viking reported of new BYDs in Oz. This should be 1:10,000 or less chance. Bad parts should nearly never get in a vehicle and bad build quality with indicators like bad paint in new cars be near never. Quality makers like Toyota do not have such poor attributes; so I do not think you can compare such cars - the price doesn't matter if your airbag doesn't work. Having one hand picked car pass a crash test isn't anywhere near the same assurance of safety that having every part tested for function is. I'd pick the Corolla every time as a result.
Ive gotten 218 000 miles from my 2008 Toyota Yaris hatchback. Thing runs Amazing and ive lived in it 6 Years on Jun 1. Lead acid battery powers a clip on USB Fan and charges my phone for 2 years for 100 bucks. Im definition of off grid for cheap
just saw one here in HK. looks cool.
I love the look of the Ora
Price is what you pay. Value is what you get. Let's talk about depreciation. According to Red Book, a 2023 GWM Ora Standard Range now has a resale value of $19,500-$27,200 (49-68%) depending on whether you trade it in or sell privately. What will be worth after 2-3 years? Meanwhile a *two* year old Toyota Coralla ZR Hybrid is worth 86-107% of its original value. On average the Corolla costs $700 p.a. in depreciation, while the GWM Ora hits you with ~$16,000 in depreciation its first year!
Furthermore the "driver assistance" technology in the GWM has been consistently reviewed as being over-sensitive and potentially dangerous.
14% depretiation in three years in the worst of cases?
Nah, there's some serious market issues there. That's not normal for any vehicle, regardless how good.
Just checked in my country: a 2 year old Corolla with 13.000km has 15% depretiation, a 3 year old one with 50k has 25%.
It will obviously have better resale value than an EV, as EVs are lowering their prices every other month. But it's only a matter of time before that starts hurting ICE's resale value.
The cheapest used Ora’s currently (August 2024) listed on Carsales are $30k. The current new drive away price is from $35,990. Your hypothetical depreciation numbers aren’t even close to real world.
@@aja8590 I looked at this yesterday... I have a GWM dealer around the corner. The cheapest Ora's currently *are from a dealer* - they are 2023 demonstrator units and they are asking as little as $29.99k with 1,700km before negotiations commence.
The Ora is depreciating while it is still brand new.
Thus, what can a private owner expect after two years and 30,000km? The answer is... at best $20-$25k.
@@RodneyW Monitoring prices and watching and commenting on RUclips videos of a vehicle you have no interest in owning seems like a great use of your time.
“Ora is depreciating while still new” because a 12+ month old demo vehicle is $30k vs $36 new for a brand 2024 model?
Depreciation is one aspect associated with cost of ownership. Factor in running costs. If you’re on solar, the Ora will cost $0 in fuel. Not everyone is though, but there are energy plans which provide $0.08 per KWh midnight to 6am and free between 11:00am and 2:00pm. At $0.08 that works out at about $1.20 per 100km in fuel. A hybrid Corolla will cost about $8. Then there’s servicing, which the Ora only requires every 2 years.
Novated leases aren’t suitable for everyone, but with no fridge benefits tax on EV’s and plug in hybrids, there can be significant savings over ICE vehicles.
At the end of the day, if you buy a Chinese branded vehicle thinking the resale value is going to be anywhere near Toyota, you probably have done adequate research. Enjoy your Toyota.
@@aja8590 You're right. It's a poor use of time!
I really REALLY wish we had something like this in the US. We've got remaining Leaf's I suppose but it's at the end of life.
damn, i wish we get those, Ora, in canada. looks great, excellent euro crash test iirc.
In the UK, these are the cheapest EV by far on my company scheme. About 40% less than a similarly priced MG4. It’s obvious they are massively discounting them to fleets as they aren’t selling. I’m sure they’ll get rid of them but they must be making huge losses here.
Doesn't matter if they do, since the CCP is funding the company, not sales revenue.
Thy only cost 14‘000 US dollars in China - my guess is they still make a profit there.
@badchefi since most of them are going bust, with even NIO feeling the pinch, I would have to say that's not correct. And they have the advantage of having the battery materials and processes located domestically.
@@billcichoke2534 look at the early history of the automobile.
At the beginning there was a huge rush and many manufacturers popped up.
Only a few eventually survived.
Same goes for most new technologies that conquer the globe.
@badchefi This apparently has to be repeated until people understand it...electric vehicles are the OLD technology; ICEVs are the NEW tech. And in actuality, comparably few ICEV companies went bust since the beginning of the 20th century.
China has had most of the EV makers, all begun with government cash. The U.S. has its share, and ALL of them are laboring under the same problem. For what you get out of an EV, you want to spend less than you would for a comparable (and far more useful) ICEV. But the EV motors and batteries are far more expensive to make than an ICE and fuel system, not to mention the far more limited component elements needed to make them.
What's happening all over the world proves this, and as governments are replaced and green subsidy dries up, all this stuff fades away.
Something I really don't understand - how is the BYD Dolphin a better car than the Ora? It ain't the 0-100 time. I see the MG4 is miles better, but the Dolphin seems like the least of the 3 to me.
So if EV,s are selling so well as you say, why are they all being discounted? Most companies don't reduce prices on things that are selling well!
See hertz. They got rid of their evs, $275 million write off because evs are too expensive to own and operate. Spin that fact.
Because they're getting cheaper to make, and because companies are sacrificing profit to increase market share.
Stick with the quality of a Hybrid Corolla... Reliable and fabulous resale... And cheaper insurance and repairs and better availablity of spares... Plus proven dealer support. Stick with something proven... Cheap to buy is not the whole measure of cost.
And battery tech will improve heaps over next 10 years, maximum depreciation to come...
I love the idea of light, super efficient vehicles. My next vehicle will depend on infrastructure and available options, but I think something like an Aptera or a little Spark EV would be great. Maybe I could even get BYD in America!
Love the channel but you really shouldn't compare the average lifetime mileage of an ice car with the very best lifetime mileage of a Tesla. How about average mileage of an ice car with average mileage of an electric car?
Really need to ask the warranty on the battery. Then replacement cost.
A reasonable battery repair and replacement ought to be coming to market as inventory increases.
Yeah. That came across to me as a shallow/dishonest attempt to pull a swifty.
It's available in Malaysia too. Like u said, it looks really good and pack with nice features.. really worth the price.
The drive away price at my local dealerships for a Corolla is $35 972 just less that the ORA, the ORA has just had its price cut because they cant sell cars, given the state of the Chinese EV market and the likelihood this company will go bankrupt, buying the cheapest Chinese option you can find may not be the smartest move....
I really like this one and I'd get the base model with the LFP. It isn't selling here in Australia though. I think it is just that MG and BYD are too compelling in terms of size and range and being front wheel drive. But it's what I would choose as I like it more.
The issue in general with great wall is that it will depreciate quicker than a Toyota. Need to take that into account.
But the base model only has around 300 km average range and takes 5 hours to standard charge and 45 min to fast charge.
Realistic range 260km
It does have a nice interior, including dash
There’s no reasoning with EV channels, they can never be critical, just praise EVs and talk down to anyone who doesn’t agree
The basic Ora has all the toys you need at the basic level and is very well made and stylish, particularly the two-tone interior. It has plenty of power and handles and brakes well. It has some quirks which can be irritating for some people and I would recommend trying to get one for a week to drive. But it is very good value for an electric car and should last and last.
Which will be better choice between LFP and NMC?
I just realised the promo video of ORA is done at my hometown, Penang Malaysia
I think the Ora Cat is a nice well planed out car that most people will find more than nice to drive from day to day. The challenge is the motor, early testing has revealed that the motor can over heat during steep long inclines during high ambient temperature's. Charging speeds of 70kw could also be a challenge for some but not a big deal. Otherwise a nice car.
The Corolla starts at $29,270 in Australia as of today.
The Corolla is a car not a mobile video game
Yeah the Corolla he’s talking about for $36K is the mid spec hybrid, give me a Japanese petrol or hybrid any day. Not worth getting into a money pit EV
@@jamesralph5908 Money pit? I have a Model 3 for 5+ years, an ID 4 for almost 3 years, and a Model Y for 5 months. I did pay charging occasionally. Otherwise, my out of pocket has been only 2 tires on the Model 3 (due to nail puncture). That is it. How much money you would pay to drive and maintain 3 ICEs?
Fast fact. Tyler Hoovie of Hoovies Garage had americas cheapest Tesla model s for a cheap car challenge. He still had to spend $20,000 for a new battery to get the damn thing running and it had something like 300,000 miles on the body. He spent $10,000 for the car.
Yeah it’s not worth it to get an EV.
He also said the Ford F-150 battery went out after he sold it
GWM, is aligned with BMW, and clearly are taking the opportunity to gain has much experience from that relationship has possible. The cat model is cheap and the quality of assembly is excellent
Sam, please be aware that SAIC sub brand IM L6 is going to be released on April 8, 20:00pm, Beijing time. Will have the first ever solid state battery ( named Lightyear) in the industry, delivering more than 1000km of range. 900V fast charging. 770 hp, 0 to 100 km/h 2.75s.
If functional solid state batteries like that get produced at reasonably competitive prices imagine the buying regret of current EV owners driving outdated technology they can't offload.
@@canwelook indeed
This is bloody grand
It’s not just about longevity which EVs mostly outperform ICE nowadays, it’s the smart driving assistance and the luxuries that only Chinese EVs offer at such an affordable price which a Toyota Corolla would never match.
How much of that assist crap is going to be functional in 5 years? You understand, right, that Corolla is going to last for at least 400k KM's and 25 years with proper maintenance?
@@hawklutzEVs in general are cheaper and easier to maintain than ice vehicles so this is no contest on the maintenance issue
Corolla is gonna cost $300 for a full tank by then.
@@hawklutz what makes you think that electronics won't last longer than mechanical parts?
Because that's what usually malfunctions first in the older cars 20+ years. The same goes true for the newest gen of cars - with electronics being the weakest point.
The ORA looks much better than the MG4.
Tesla being the best looking but too expensive second hand.
Longevity of the Corolla? I'm still happily driving my 1998.... and get asked if I don't want to sell it weekly. What is the depreciation on that Chinese throwaway?
A family member"s Corolla is 30 years old & going well.
A chinese EV lasts the warranty period ?? then worth $0
BUYING a new car is one thing.
Buying/ keeping / running a car for 15 years is a TOTALLY different thing.
Can someone please clarify for me, do all versions of the ORA have the don't charge above 80% rule? Thx.
For the models which have LFP batteries I would expect you can charge to 100% regularly.
It’s not really a don’t charge above 80% rule. It’s a charge to 80% for normal usage but ok to charge to 100% occasionally rule.
The thing to remember with pretty much all EVs is that it takes about the same amount of time to charge from 20%-80% as it does to charge the last 20%, so from a time management basis it’s not really an effective use of time.
We’ve got a leaf that has always been charged to 100% over the last 5 years with no degradation to the battery so far.
@@05tep Haha I find it hard to believe a LEAF has no degradation. Unfortunately even the latest LEAF e+ suffers more degradation than other brands which all have battery temperature management. Which is a shame because it is a great little car in all other ways.
It is a really interesting question - hybrid or EV ; price is the same. Or more specific: cheapest corolla v cheapest ora good cat. Id like to see a video on this, that would be a really good comparison. On resale value - ok, Ora, no one has heard of it; maybe they fall apart - nobody knows, but ib the other hand: maybe in 3 years everyone wants an EV because petrol has spiked in price. An LFP battery lasts forever and that is half the value of the car....
Wouldn't but it cos it's Chinese, but so I would not Toyota for killing EVs for generations. So out of the two, definitely better car is that hello kitty thing. Also, as you pointed out, corolla's running costs and 200k mi lifespan at best is what it will do. That Tom thing will go on for ever and even if the batteries eill need replacing 30y from now, the cost and tech then will be so much better that it will be super-cheap to keep this oldsmobile running.
I've got a question. Can I use ANDROID AUTO in this car in Australia?
corolla now only come in hybrid standard and is driveaway for $35837 for a hybrid ascent sport in white refer to toyota website and can get over 900kms range sure is hybrid but still i would take corolla over an ora corolla will still be going in 15 years will the ora??
Lfp battery says yes
....and worth less than a 5 year old Corolla the day after you buy it.
And in 5 years you're lucky if you get 25% of the original price.
Just saw a 2023 demo vehicle going for A$32k drive away in car sales. Since it’s from a dealer with no previous owner, it’s probably likely that incentives may still apply for the states that still have them, which means that it might be less than A$30k for a virtually new EV.
What’s it worth in 5 years? How many km can you get from a GWM before it dies or the battery needs replacing? Electricity is not cheap, just like petrol isn’t. Is the Ora cool? Yeah I think so but I’m not throwing away $40K when the car is worthless when it comes to reselling. You’re being very disingenuous for not mentioning what money you’ll lose in the long run, it’s not just the drive away price you need to consider.
It’s embarrassed by the Corolla
Is that rhe one called "funky cat" in ireland?
Agree but the only thing holding people back us range and charging anxiety. If you are low income one small car family, are you going to pick a car with 1,000km range or 310km driving range. You can do road trips in the corolla but not the Ora.
No doubt Ora sales will rise and especially if they emphasise the 126kW for the rev heads that buy hot hatch Corollas, but I don't think this is the turning point.
The turning point will be if BYD can bring the 70kW base soec 2025 Dolphin to Australia for $29,990.
its pretty close in pricing, though i found a dealership in australia selling a brand new Toyota Corolla Ascent Sport Sedan Automatic CVT for $33,045 Drive away.
Dealerships don't have much margin with Toyota, they will lose the price war, EVs are at better than price parity aleady.
I drive a Kia EV the depreciation of which in the first year is about 35% but hey I still love it , it cost's next to nothing to run so I'll keep it and no matter what value it has I'll never go back to being Mr gullible, buying fuel at whatever price the super rich owners of the oil companies decide to charge you, break free, go EV
Better wait for the Renault EV 5. Vehicle to grid is a key component for any new EV as it would be able to power your home for 3 day+. Batteries will continue to improve which will make newer Evs more attractive than older ones for the foreseeable future. I guessimate 100km of extra range for every year, so in 2026, a low priced car's battery will be able to provide 500km.
Megane has the same price in Europe or i m wrong?
Corollas are a bloody awesome car
Yes boomers love them. No hate just the truth
The BYD Atto 3 Design is far too expensive in the UK, tariffs and taxes have made it £39,695 that is almost the same cost as a Tesla Model 3 at £39,990. Ora 03 Pro+ with the 63kWh battery is £34,995 so still expensive.
Alan Fells had a media conference about the Australian economy and he said there was a $10,000 something placed on all imported Electric Vehicle to Australia.
All tariffs were removed from imported evs in November 2022.
@@ChristopherPowell-xq3nb I believe Alan Fells - he would not lie. It may not be a tarriff.
These will be history in 5 years time! why would anyone ever buy what is a disposable car?
You don't mention the handling of the car which, if the Haval by GWM is anything to go by, cannot be that great. I will admit that in other regards the car has quite a lot to recommend it, but the suspension type & tune is in my opinion critical.
At $36,000 the EV market is still out of reach for the poor and those on low wages...
GWM also owns Changli
You can choose between a BEV designed by an actual Porsche designer (Ora)...or an ICE who has an English noname as its chief-designer (Corolla).
I want one, but I live in the Medieval country known as the U.S.A. No global warming here mate, all we have is ICE vehicles!!
Republicans don’t believe in progress.
Yes- me too! We are supposedly a free market economy. That is until imports threaten the jobs of the UAW union!
I live in Nsw,,one thing NO ONE seems to clarify the cost off filling at home on ac power for say example this Ora car as to filling with your own faster charger and also general cost of a service provider fill
To anyone considering the opinions that i would think a big deal
Just my 2 cents worth for clarification for all ghe dummies in the room including i guess moi!
You cannot have your own fast charger at home. Most homes are limited to 11-15kw AC draw. Fast charging is done using DC at rates of 50kw or thereabouts
how many chinese brands ARE THERE?
No smoke is probably the only thing the Ora (Good Cat) is better than the Corolla.
Ora (Good Cat) is less than 4.5 meters long, so it can't be a Thai taxi by the Thai law. The Corolla has no problem with its length. Other reasons for choosing a Corolla are reliability, durability, and longevity, at least in beliefs.
GWM dealership (which has the after sale services) is not yet available in Uttaradit. I don't want to go to Sukhothai if my car has problem. It is too far.
Ora is not really cheap.Because when you drive out of the dealer yard the value will depreciate by at least 40%.
Then buy one which has been driven out of the dealers yard
The Toyota Corolla starts at §26,000 AUD not $36000 AUD . The ORA is NOT cheaper than a Corolla it is $10,000 more expensive. There are so many errors in your videos it’s hard to believe that they are honest mistakes.
corolla is a tough car, it would probably work post apocalypse
Not if you need to run it off processed Dino juice shipped in from the middle East! Compare that with any solar panel you can find😂😂
Toyota has to charge more for the Corolla because they are going bankrupt...... still.....
Buy it before the gvt declares it a national security threat
GWM has been peddling its Chinese cars for years in Australia. They have very low resale value. People want to see how reliable they are before buying one.
Not so in South Africa.
Sadly, the Ora is more expensive than the Corolla.
I guess trade in value is the great unknown…
The Corolla is an unrefined car (even the hybrid) and has an interior that looks 20 years old with scratchy plastic everywhere and ghastly interior trims. I know cos I was given it as a loan car when I had my RAV4 serviced.
I think you would be lucky to sell the Ora for more than scrap value
£31,995
€36000 in Ireland for base model
Corolla's have some of the lowest tech and crapiest material quality and finish in the car industry. Some can argue that its realiable, But so is my 1950 ancient tractor that is rough and no creature comfort. They are in different league in terms of tech and finish.
I'd far rather have a Corolla.
The car only mother can love😂
The car has a real range of 220-220 km and is no longer acceptable (in the low trim).
Disposable cars are not going to save the environment.
why is the Ora Cat more disposable than most cars?
@@jlamm2223443 does the word "cheapest" mean anything? No current EV will be worth getting a new battery for when it's 10 to 15 years old so they will be disposed of. Look at how many unused EVs China is depositing of. All modern cars are designed to have limited life spans while we pretend to care about the environment.
Byd ev taxis have been plying the streets of Shenzhen in China since 2017. Many of them have clocked hundreds of thousands of km in mileage and still not needing to replace their batteries.
@@kamsunleong6648 EV is the worst thing for a taxi because of the down time in charging.
These comments section looks like almost like a cat show by bots and Channel is sponsored by Chinese so, anything is possible
Wonder how long they will last beyond their warranty period - completely unproven in the real world? The Toyota, OTOH.......
toyota corolla best small car in the world
And yet Toyota up 35% Q1 from last year. Aus market up 13% and BEV up 10%. ICE is growing more than BEV at this point in AUS, even with China roaming freely. BYD's/MG BEV's sitting everywhere at dealers. I thought BEV growth would be stronger at this point.
Momentum is long term, let's see how things go now that we have price parity.
You don't pay for brake pads? Some people say that Toyota's are reliable, but I can't say? Get real.
The Ora is a death machine . City or Highway the crash test Stats are frightening.
No brake pads?!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Ora is not a tesla, like duh.
Their is no excuse to not drive an EV, and instead drive a dirty ICE car like a Toyota Corolla.
@electricviking Only comes with Apple Car Play. Not buying a new phone to facilitate a car purchase.
Jai Hind. Our Raj wants the Collective West to produce cheap green products to comsumers under Biden's Inflation Reduction Act. But they don't like the folks to buy ultra-cheap product like ORA and the Raj knows that only we Indians can really outcompete the Chinese in the safe and secure Supply chain.
It's more cramped for taller drivers than the Corolla.
The cost of running an electric car is about equal to running an ICE car UNLESS YOU CAN CHARGE AT HOME especially if you have solar panels. But after 3 years the petrol engine needs servicing and this in where the running costs diverge.
Most people can charge at home most of the time. Some can't but most can.
Cheers mate
I love how you stretch the facts to make a point. A Toyota only lasts 150,000 miles? We have a 2015 Camry right now that has 150,000 miles and runs like new. We kept a toyota pickup truck for 20 years that literally never failed once. We sold it because I am old and don’t drive anymore, so we don’t need a second vehicle. Will electric batteries last 20 years? If so, that’s good news. I am not an electric car hater, but I hate that you feel the need to stretch the facts in order to push your agenda. You are the Fox News of the automotive world.
GW Ora, hahaha!! What's one of those!!
Toyota Corollas are ridiculously overpriced and there are plenty of good cheaper Ice cars.
That thing looks too small. I wouldn't feel safe in one and I don't risk my life in necessarily.
Tesla's are a different story though. They are proven to last.
the corolla will last 20 plus years over the long hall corolla is the GREENEST car on the planet
I love the corolla, but it isn't green. It contributes to climate change and to cancer causing pollutants if you live in a big city.
Tesla is still better with warranty and quality, Tesla will just last longer
Australians are not buying EV. , they want their I.C.E. cars.
Not just cars soon mate also jobs
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