love my Flashstor 12 pro , silent and wife friendly design . It has all the speed and space i will need for a loong time. I have had no problems with it just "plug and play"
Is there any plan for Eypc 4004 am5 based NAS ? Pcie bifurcation , ecc support, built in IGP and also enough pcie lanes to spend, and probably usb4 by adding additional controller Super upgradable and long supported socket
Indeed it is… But your gen 2 series, Will it connect to a Mac desktop (M1 Max studio) to use the NAS drives over the 20gbps connection for data transfer/video editing? Some sources say yes, others say no….
@@adrianjenkins2447USB4 DAS networking is not available at the moment. We are working hard with AMD to try to get support included. That is why we haven't advertised its support yet. This is an issue with AMD's driver and we can't really control that.
I would *love* to see a passive system, perhaps in the same form factor as a normal consumer network router, with perhaps 6 M.2 drives. Could probably be over SATA, would be fast enough for most home networks anyway. I just want something small, super efficient and completely quiet.
So, the TERRAMASTER F8 is really a great NAS, but still about 100,- Euros too expensive for the hardware, I think. What I'm really missing is a small, cheap and quiet SATA SSD 4-6 bay NAS.
Hi, great video. I already have 8 x 8 TB PCIE Gen 4 NVME m2's in a Mac Pro PCIE card. I want to move to NAS. What will support these Gen4 MS drives? Only Asustor Gen2 12 slot?
Please fix me if I'm wrong, but based on the documentation online, the new Flashstor does not support the networking over USB4 (yet?). It surprised me a little. Same goes for the Ugreen one. I was sharpening my teeth on the Flashstor2, but to be certain I can utilise my USB4 port on my Z790 Motherboard, I think I have to look the MS-01 route...
@@adrianjenkins2447 We know. But it's not that we don't want to, but the drivers have issues and we're working hard with AMD to try to assist them in fixing the driver.
I don't see why it should be m.2/nvme and not 2.5". After all, i suspect larger-size 2.5" ssds are cheaper than m.2. Not all applications require that the nas be lightning fast, and in any case, even SATA SSDs are way faster on random access which is what matters most. So an array of SATA SSDs can max out even a faster network connection. M.2 NASes often have lane limitations which kinda make nvme speeds irrelevant. I mean if you had 25/100g networking and all 4 lanes per drive it might be of import. Not necessarily so the way it is now. Also, the hexagon panel right above the seagull's noggin needs alignment
I see you point (maybe less so, re: north of the seagulls noggin), no it the price of m.2 at Gen3 speed has pretty much matched SATA 2.5G now (it's Gen 4 and Gen 5 that is still pushing the price up) and the majority of m.2 NAS in the market are all Gen3 - and will likely still be so in 12-18months
Tbh he only reason it didn't make the cut this year was just because of slight mixed messaging about the UnRAID licence (they changed their tiers and coverage midway through the lincstation release and noether party has given me a clear and conclusion position on the licenses that are Inc with units in stock/wale globally...if that was 100% concrete, the N1 would 100% made this list in some way
Why do you keep saying that the Flashstor Gen 2 has Thunderbolt support? It most certainly does NOT have Thunderbolt networking or even USB4 networking support via DAS ...even Asustor have finally stopped advertising that it does
I mean... It worked in my review. It continues to work as we speak. However it is becoming increasingly clear that the support is very hit and miss. From my conversations with Asustor since my review, they seem to be going all out on this to resolve, but currently have stated only Nas to Nas support for this connection. Nonetheless, it worked with my MS-01 i9. I don't know what more to tell ya.... As the video intro also states, this was recorded before the FS Gen2 review was even started... At that point, the brand was being far less restrained on their USB/TB advertising
@ look all I know is I’m not seeing a lot of positivity from people who are trying to use the devices USB4 ports for anything …. In fact you are the only person I have heard having success with DAS via USB4…. If you add the SMB Networking issues with MAC’s and the ADM doc fail to the seemingly ineffective support from ASUSTOR to the equation the question is what exactly are you paying these high prices for ? I’m afraid that as Synology was vulnerable their competitors are too busy kicking own goals to do anything worthwhile ….. bad for the consumer….. good for Terramaster/Ugreen/China …
Omg, please slow down.. Your videos are always so rushed to the point they sound more like a con-man’s sales pitch than an unbiased review. I’d much rather you do a well paced, well articulated video than something you make a bunch of misstatements and have to throw corrections up on the screen during editing.
WTF?? I should pay €9.99 per month to be allowed to access you "members" content... and it is all flooded with links to products where you are earning money? How is your youtube channel worth more money than netflix costs? Yeah good luck with that. I am outa here,
Sorry you feel that way bud. And I see your points. But notwithstanding that you can't compare the pricing model of a single outlet Vs a multinational conglomerate that has plenty of ways to bend a dime, you also have to factor in that the description of the vids is just the same as public content. It gets included just because the video is duplicates (as the internal scheduling for draft, to private , then to early access, then to members and finally to public is a mess for platforms that publish 3-4 times a week). Sorry to hear your disappointment on this, genuinely, but I hope you enjoy the content nevertheless. Merry Xmas bud
Normally I would 100% agree...but DiY pure m.2 builds in 4/6/8/12 configurations are actually pretty pricey, once you factor the rest of the build and casing. Most of the solutions in this list or exceedingly compact for the scale. But I do see you point and also DiY builds would blow for better hardware value on the processor too
love my Flashstor 12 pro , silent and wife friendly design . It has all the speed and space i will need for a loong time. I have had no problems with it just "plug and play"
It's an honour to be featured twice!
Is there any plan for Eypc 4004 am5 based NAS ?
Pcie bifurcation , ecc support, built in IGP and also enough pcie lanes to spend, and probably usb4 by adding additional controller
Super upgradable and long supported socket
Will there be a new Lockerstor 10 Pro release or does the Lockerstor 10 Gen 3 more or less end the Pro line?
Indeed it is… But your gen 2 series, Will it connect to a Mac desktop (M1 Max studio) to use the NAS drives over the 20gbps connection for data transfer/video editing? Some sources say yes, others say no….
@@frankwong9486 Not able to comment on future products yet. Sorry!
@@adrianjenkins2447USB4 DAS networking is not available at the moment. We are working hard with AMD to try to get support included. That is why we haven't advertised its support yet. This is an issue with AMD's driver and we can't really control that.
I would *love* to see a passive system, perhaps in the same form factor as a normal consumer network router, with perhaps 6 M.2 drives. Could probably be over SATA, would be fast enough for most home networks anyway. I just want something small, super efficient and completely quiet.
Great to see NVMe NAS becoming more common place now. But more need to be following Asustor by having more than 4-5 bays available!
Missing the seagulls ?
I’m a simple man. I see a new Nas Compares video, I neglect my responsibilities
Just what i needed thank you for your hard work
So, the TERRAMASTER F8 is really a great NAS, but still about 100,- Euros too expensive for the hardware, I think. What I'm really missing is a small, cheap and quiet SATA SSD 4-6 bay NAS.
SATA SSD is about the same price as nvme SSD
@@lemon9.9 Not, when you look at above 7TB SSDs. Also, I have already some SATA SSDs and their performance is good enough for some years.
@@knofi7052 oh damn there are 7tb+ SSD? I didn't know that
@@lemon9.9 ...the 30TB versions are still too expensive, though.😂
@@knofi7052and not sata anyway 😂
Thanks for sharing.
I think to make the list should have Thunderbolt 3 / 4. Less is to slow for pro use
I absolutely love my Terramaster F8 SSD Plus with 48gb RAM and running Unraid.
Did you manage to get VT-d working with a 3rd party OS?
@aaabbb-tn3lr no unfortunately, it still has to be disabled.
I'm stuck between the asustor gen 1, 6 bay and the lincstation N1. Leaning towards the N1 because of the larger range of 2.5 ssd's.
Hi, great video. I already have 8 x 8 TB PCIE Gen 4 NVME m2's in a Mac Pro PCIE card. I want to move to NAS. What will support these Gen4 MS drives? Only Asustor Gen2 12 slot?
Please fix me if I'm wrong, but based on the documentation online, the new Flashstor does not support the networking over USB4 (yet?). It surprised me a little.
Same goes for the Ugreen one. I was sharpening my teeth on the Flashstor2, but to be certain I can utilise my USB4 port on my Z790 Motherboard, I think I have to look the MS-01 route...
Indeed, the USB4 connectivity is crying out to be used as a ‘DAS’ for a ‘puter with USB4/TB4 connections such as a Mac.
@@adrianjenkins2447 We know. But it's not that we don't want to, but the drivers have issues and we're working hard with AMD to try to assist them in fixing the driver.
I Have just got a gen2 12 bay
having major problems
4 drives just dropped off the system
Hi! Are you using drives from our compatibility list?
I don't see why it should be m.2/nvme and not 2.5". After all, i suspect larger-size 2.5" ssds are cheaper than m.2.
Not all applications require that the nas be lightning fast, and in any case, even SATA SSDs are way faster on random access which is what matters most. So an array of SATA SSDs can max out even a faster network connection.
M.2 NASes often have lane limitations which kinda make nvme speeds irrelevant.
I mean if you had 25/100g networking and all 4 lanes per drive it might be of import. Not necessarily so the way it is now.
Also, the hexagon panel right above the seagull's noggin needs alignment
I see you point (maybe less so, re: north of the seagulls noggin), no it the price of m.2 at Gen3 speed has pretty much matched SATA 2.5G now (it's Gen 4 and Gen 5 that is still pushing the price up) and the majority of m.2 NAS in the market are all Gen3 - and will likely still be so in 12-18months
@nascompares yeah, I see, crucial p3+ is about 226usd on Amazon vs 206usd for 2.5" bx500. Not a big difference there.
I wish the F8 or flashstor gen 1 had 2 usb network ports. Then it would be perfect
I nic is enough for me.
Why does Synology not have one? They Are so far behind
Because Synology would probably only allow their own NVMEs
The sad thing is, that this is painfully true
poor lincstation missing out because of the 2.5" ssds
Tbh he only reason it didn't make the cut this year was just because of slight mixed messaging about the UnRAID licence (they changed their tiers and coverage midway through the lincstation release and noether party has given me a clear and conclusion position on the licenses that are Inc with units in stock/wale globally...if that was 100% concrete, the N1 would 100% made this list in some way
@@nascompares i'm leaning on the zimacube pro on your reccy over the ugreen as I do lots of photo editing and also self hosting, vms, etc...
Ugreen?
Waiting on budget Quad NVME Thunderbolt 5 DAS
The front of that first QNAP NAS should have been an even number
I love the F8 SSD Plus with proxmox or truenas but it has one BIG ISSUE.
It currently cannot run any 3rd party OS with VT-d enabled. 😢
Why do you keep saying that the Flashstor Gen 2 has Thunderbolt support? It most certainly does NOT have Thunderbolt networking or even USB4 networking support via DAS ...even Asustor have finally stopped advertising that it does
I mean... It worked in my review. It continues to work as we speak. However it is becoming increasingly clear that the support is very hit and miss. From my conversations with Asustor since my review, they seem to be going all out on this to resolve, but currently have stated only Nas to Nas support for this connection. Nonetheless, it worked with my MS-01 i9. I don't know what more to tell ya.... As the video intro also states, this was recorded before the FS Gen2 review was even started... At that point, the brand was being far less restrained on their USB/TB advertising
@ look all I know is I’m not seeing a lot of positivity from people who are trying to use the devices USB4 ports for anything …. In fact you are the only person I have heard having success with DAS via USB4…. If you add the SMB Networking issues with MAC’s and the ADM doc fail to the seemingly ineffective support from ASUSTOR to the equation the question is what exactly are you paying these high prices for ? I’m afraid that as Synology was vulnerable their competitors are too busy kicking own goals to do anything worthwhile ….. bad for the consumer….. good for Terramaster/Ugreen/China …
Hi there! Our NAS supports NAS to NAS networking over USB4.
Omg, please slow down.. Your videos are always so rushed to the point they sound more like a con-man’s sales pitch than an unbiased review. I’d much rather you do a well paced, well articulated video than something you make a bunch of misstatements and have to throw corrections up on the screen during editing.
WTF?? I should pay €9.99 per month to be allowed to access you "members" content... and it is all flooded with links to products where you are earning money? How is your youtube channel worth more money than netflix costs? Yeah good luck with that. I am outa here,
Sorry you feel that way bud. And I see your points. But notwithstanding that you can't compare the pricing model of a single outlet Vs a multinational conglomerate that has plenty of ways to bend a dime, you also have to factor in that the description of the vids is just the same as public content. It gets included just because the video is duplicates (as the internal scheduling for draft, to private , then to early access, then to members and finally to public is a mess for platforms that publish 3-4 times a week). Sorry to hear your disappointment on this, genuinely, but I hope you enjoy the content nevertheless. Merry Xmas bud
They’re too expensive for what they are. DIY is still the way.
Normally I would 100% agree...but DiY pure m.2 builds in 4/6/8/12 configurations are actually pretty pricey, once you factor the rest of the build and casing. Most of the solutions in this list or exceedingly compact for the scale. But I do see you point and also DiY builds would blow for better hardware value on the processor too