Make UEFI Graphics Card work with Legacy BIOS Motherboard
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The easiest way to do this in my opinion is to use "duet with refind" installed on to a usb stick, and point the bios to boot from usb.
This will allow legacy motherboards to run in a uefi environment .
I am currently running a 5700xt on a x58 platform (Gigabyte) with a x5675 cpu (4.5ghz) this way, plus it also allows me to use an nvme m.2 via pcie riser card
This is very interesting because I have for over 3 years a X58 with a 6-core Xeon (Gigabyte motherboard) with 24 gigs of DDR3 1866 Mhz and I NEVER have been able to SEE the BIOS with Sapphire cards (i had SLI configuration from my main rig - RX 480s that got replaced in 2018 due to memory fault with RX 580s which I then sold and got an RX Vega 64). Windows boot is fine, but BIOS displayed a garbled color mess instead of Gigabyte logo. I googled it and it turned out to be an issue with AMD removing legacy compatibility from their cards with the first RX generation. At that time 1000 series of Nvidia still had support for legacy BIOS mode.
@@volf3r505 I actually turned off the splash screen because of the exact same issue.
So now when my pc boots, I see the board detecting CPU, ram, etc, and can get in the bios just fine.
No more garbled mess.
@@charlienewman7496 to be honest I think entering BIOS was problematic too. But then again few months after I tested both my RX 480s they were RMAd so it might have been a weird coincidence testing them right when they started to degrade.
I'm using duet with refind to boot a nvme ssd on pcie slot on a gigabyte ep35 ds3p motherboard with legacy bios :P
@@GizmoTheGreen that's awesome, well now you know that you can run a uefi based GPU as well
Bonus Phil video with X58 AND the Xeon! What a treat!
maybe a cooperation with fellow Aussie (Brian)
Hey, I know you...
Why are you always there when a x58 xeon video appears on youtube ?😆
@@LinkStorm13 Cause Xeon Videos need some Tech YES Lovin' in the comments section!
I remember when people tried to perpetuate the PCI slot with the GT 610, even after the AGP slot was discontinued. Now we're slowly leaving legacy BIOS behind. Gosh I'm getting old and not even in my 30s.
Bah. I remember when a 16 bit ISA video card was an upgrade. Now get off my lawn.
@@travis1240 An upgrade from the 8 bit MCA cards. I was really sad when I sold my 5150.
@@mt441 I hate UEFI from first day I see one for the first time, it was some "frend of a frend" laptop that need windows install. I didn't know anything about it and loose whole afternoon with that thing. And still, after all this years I can say I don't have too much hate in myself but all of it is dedicated to UEFI interface :D
@@mt441 Cheap for china only crap bios, many options that are not supported by the hardware on the board.
I hate this channel, hate the for China only crap, just weirdo builds, what will it support a big guess.\
Buy only supported original if you need X58 machines, X99 X299 too, able to use weirdo chipset and weirdo bios too, why you need that?
If it boots, YOU ARE IN LUCK!
is it supported, why the weirdo error, why it fails all the time? Thank you so match....china UEFA!
@@gorjy9610
The problem with UEFI is that it ways memory. A generation ago, the BIOS chips were 16 Mbit or 2 MB and now they are 32 Mbit or 4 MB.
Thanks a ton! I was able to make my MSI 5600 XT Gaming MX work with my MSI X58 Pro-E motherboard with this method. Only change was that I had to have my 5600 in the second PCIe slot and my low-end card in the first slot. Everything else was pretty much the same.
I'm not really sure if it's lacking legacy BIOS support or if there's something else at play here, as reports from people seem a bit mixed. Some claim that even the RX400 series don't work on legacy, while others are able to use 5700s without any hacks. I tried booting into a UEFI environment using Clover (and also DUET), but still got a black screen. And I was able to confirm that with both Clover and DUET I was booting into a UEFI environment. This leads me to believe the theory that this is an issue affecting only some X58 chipsets, and it maybe not a UEFI-Legacy thing.
Anyways, thank you so much for making this video, otherwise I would've had to sell this card as I got it used.
Man, I knew buying that PCI-E 1x GT 710 was a good idea a couple years ago.
no one tests is gt 710 with win 7 or so good for retro games vs gts 450 vs 285
I'm using a GT 710 cut up to PCIe x1 as a dedicated GPU for RTX Voice so I don't turn into a robot when my GTX 1080 gets load spikes :D
@@1NIGHTMAREGAMER I'm certain a GTS 450 would wipe the floor with that thing.
Aside from lacking DX11 support, a 285 would further embarrass a 710 in titles they both support.
@@Knaeckebrotsaege lol same here maybe i should do that too...
@@FeverDev64 It's fairly easy. You just need to go into the nvidia control panel, manage 3D settings, program settings tab, pick the rtx voice exe and in the list of settings below, change "CUDA GPUs" from "all" to the specific card you want to use for RTX voice (ie the 2nd one).
Dunno how old the card can be to still work though. Oldest I've tried was a Kepler based GT640
A tuesday video, what a treat! I guess we have finally found a use for the GT 710 :D
Thanks a lot Phil. I am tinkering with a Skulltrail D5400xs and I couldn’t even get into BIOS with my RTX3060, but with my old GTX660 everything worked just fine. I found your video and after two late nights of trial and error I could finally play modern games on this really cool machine. It was quite sensitive which pcie slots I used. With the 660 in slot 1 and 3060 in slot 3, I finally got it running after I disabled the 660. This is a proof of concept so now I just have to hunt down a small 710 or similar to put in the top slot. I think it’ll need a bit more experimentation to find a good look. It feels a bit weird to mount the primary GPU so close to the bottom. And perhaps get a vertical mount for the main GPU, aesthetics is crucial for this build. :) I have even got w11 running on it and everything feels snappy. That’s so impressive for a 16 year old machine.
LTT was using a 2080ti in his skulltrail video, and he never mentioned any issues with booting and posting. I wonder if Nvidia changed something with regards to legacy bios from the RTX3000 series and onwards?
Yes maybe with the 3000 series it changed...
Although it's super common on X58 boards, some systems don't hang when they don't detect a video card- so if you're lucky and you give the computer time, it could boot into windows and eventually start displaying signal after the drivers work themselves out.
this is not a X58 board, for china only bios! old crap...
X58 was old gaming gear, for china Xeon dump build now...Ebay crap....compatible, stability issues...BIOS options, muhahahahahahhaha
@@lucasrem Some where there is a bridge missing its troll.
@@lucasrem Yes, Chinese "X58" boards aren't as good as ones from mainstream western brands, and most of them don't actually use X58 chipsets. And so what? They're cheap, and they work. If you need better features and usability you should buy a better board from a reputable brand, but if you don't you can save money and buy a Chinese board. Cheap options aren't as good as premium options, wow, amazing, you must be a _genius_ to have noticed that.
Really useful - just used this to get a 1650 running on my old legacy board by using the iGPU as the "default" GPU.
So even my 760GM-P33 iGPU could work in order to use a 5700xt too? Interesting...
@@Jucelegario - might work; obviously can't guarantee anything. It's a bit of a pain not to be able to get into the BIOS without changing what the monitor is connected to, but it's better than not being able to use the GPU!
How did you do this? I'm struggling atm
@@russellanthony568 - put the GPU into the PCI-e slot, but leave your monitor connected to the iGPU. Let Windows install the software. Restart. Go into your bios and tell it, by default, to boot the iGPU, even if it has a dGPU installed. Turn off your PC. Plug your monitor into the GPU. Turn on the PC. You won't see anything until you get to Windows, but hopefully will boot.
Tip: Many monitors have multiple inputs. Connect each card to each one of the monitor's inputs, and then set the monitor to auto-switch between the inputs. Will work almost as if it was just one card.
Good tip :)
@@philscomputerlab Do I understand correctly that your RX580 worked without issues on legacy bios motherboard from 2008, and only RX 5700 necessited doing the method in the video to boot?
@@Richard-tj1yh Yeah. Most RX580's have the "compatibility module" properly programmed to recognize Legacy BIOS. I have an RX580 that I've been using for the past 5 years on my X58 and it required no workarounds or updates at all. As long as you're on Windows 10 it also still supports the latest AMD drivers for Windows.
It's probably worth doing a video using "duet/refind" so that way, you can get old machines to boot from hard drives that are over 2TB, boot UEFI only operating systems, as well as getting newer graphics cards to boot. But excellent video, it's great to see that old BIOS based machines can be taught new tricks. A lot of later AMD systems sadly are still BIOS based.
Yea I need to follow up on that for sure!
@@philscomputerlab in addition to that, you can inject Intels Software Development Emulator into windows for these x58 cpus to run games that require newer instruction sets. In most games you will actually see an improvement in performance.
And, this board theoretically does support overclocking if you use AMIbiostool and change the bios options to unlock it. Its fairly easy and you can reflash in windows similar to huananzhi's x99 boards
@@KadiusFTW Now this is really teaching an old dog new tricks! This will be interesting to see. Hopefully Phil will cover this in a later video.
@@wocko1 but how? I used duet / refind to boot into uefi sucessfully, using a legacy mobo (using the integrated graphics' output to do the process); but my rx550 still doesn't boot in this mobo (although it boots perfectly fine in other mobos)
@@mparagames does it work now? I'm gonna try to do this
I accidentally did the opposite. I was testing HD 7950 I got for cheap to see if it is working. I kinda lazy so instead of taking my RTX 2060, I install both just to check it at least still work. it was working and I did test it with a short MSI kombuster test. I then took out my RTX 2060 to put the HD 7950 to my main PCIe and it wouldn't even load the BIOS. Turns out, older HD 7950 only have legacy support and I forgot turn on CSM. Turns out you only need one of your GPU to support UEFI to boot without CSM. I did eventually flashed a modded BIOS to the HD 7950 to enable UEFI support and undervolting.
What's a MSI kombuster?
Yeah, you just have to be able to get past POST.
There are bioses for Tahiti cards that are UEFI. Since the cards have switch so you can have 2 bioses, its kinda safe to do it. I flashed it to reference 7970 and I can now work in full EFI mode.
@@jaroslavjarka1069 wait, only certain model of HD 7950 can be flashed to 7970. Some can be flashed but it only gives higher power limit. Mine don't work at all. What model you have?
@@kaitoharrison872 Yes, I have a reference PCB 7970, so it was easy to find such a bios. Some non-reference models tho, there may be none. :/
Man, it's unfortunate when I tried to get help from EVGA to do the "mod" that will allow me to install old Xeon X58 processors they at the time (which was about 5 years ago) said they don't do those mods anymore.
I have an i7 965 and I know that I can probably squeeze a couple more years out of this machine if I could upgrade to a Xeon. There is a solder-based mod that lets you do it (no BIOS updates available, obviously, since EVGA is pretty much on their way to being dead) but I am WAY too chicken to do that mod.
But this little workaround is perfect, and the "duet with refind" trick someone mentioned in the comments is also great. Thanks for this video.
Hi Phil, just wanted to say thanks for inspiring me to get old xeons for gaming
Love your videos Phil.
I made a video a little while ago where I used the onboard Intel HD Graphics to initialize on a sandybridge CPU before a GTX 750 that would not boot because of UEFI problems. The motherboard had no bios updates to fix problem which most other lga1155 motherboards would.
I know it wont work for a HEDT systems like any lga1366 and lga2011 boards due to no on CPU graphics.
But similar, very painful and I know windows 10 was not always super happy. A reset from windows instead of clicking shutdown would need you to reinstall the drivers again on next boot up.
Keep up the great work you always keep me entertained.
Thanks for the help!
Instead of an additional card, I was able to set integrated graphics as the first display output and I can now use an RTX card with a quite old Intel Gen 2 board lol
wait, how did you do this
I need to get my gtx 1660 to work with a legacy bios board, I have integrated graphics as well
How ??
I made an RX 5500 XT work in a legacy AM3+ motherboard with a FX 6300, your video saved my gaming life for a long time until saving for a ryzen platform
FX 6300 FTW!
@@philscomputerlab that motherboard does not have another PCIE slot so I did the same procedure with the internal graphics from the motherboard M5A78L-M/USB3
@@kanuh how can you made it work? i have literally the same motherboard, gpu and almost same cpu (i have fx 6100) , can you help me please?
I don't have much pc knowledge.
There is a 2nd method: there is is also a way for older workstation like the Dell T3500, where even the RX 480 etc. have booting issues. Use a 2nd GPU, especially the very cheap Nvidia Quadro NVS 295 (which are passive cooled). On those machines (and on all others x58 who supports it) there is also a BIOS solution. Just install both GPUs, install them in OS, change GPU boot priority (2nd-1st or vice versa) but keep both gpu installed. Ta ta Windows uses the AMD as main GPU.
Phil, great work, keep it up! All the best from Germany, Pepe
Maybe just not all RX 4xx and 5xx have problems with legacy BIOS. I know that e.g. RX 470 can be launched on 775, but in some motherboards it can hang a BIOS on entering attempt. Sometimes it can be fixed by disabling quick boot (for ASUS - it disables splash screen and fast memory calculation on boot) and/or TPM if available.
What kind of issues did you have with RX 480 on T3500 (x58)?
GPU priority is an option in BIOS?
@@---pp7tq Yap, with GPU Priority and first boot with another card (like the cheapest NVS which was delivered with the WS) it works due to boot priority.
If you use a RX 480 (standard Model of AMD) you receive ""Windows has stopped this device because it has reported problems. (Code 43)"".
I found this solution:
community.amd.com/thread/202370
works great (scroll to Plchung3' answer)
Have fun with old hardware :D
@@ThePeperich bro. Code 43 is when you have AMD card with changed BIOS on drivers newer than 16.11.5. It's not associated with old motherboard. It's enough to install Pixel Clock Patcher after you install newest drivers and everything works fine
Thank you Phil... great video... good to know this workaround... I might need that some day!!!
Great X58 video. Between you and Tech Yes City I have my Xeon fetish covered...Thank you !
My old ASUS p7p55 motherboard actually had a feature called Expressgate: If this was enabled, it would get the system up and running with some generic VGA driver, past POST and into Windows, where the card drivers would take over.
Even using the 5500XT in Windows was hella kludgy though: The card couldn't wake up from soft power-off states correctly and there were sometimes visual artifacts.
Exactly this is the problem that comes to mind when pairing with older cpus
Wait, I use a motherboard from 2010 and was about to buy this radeon card. This UEFI Bios bs is new to me. Will this happen with lets say, an RTX 3070?
@@Jucelegario some local RUclipsr here has tested lga 775 core 2 duo with gtx 1650 gpu
Spoiler: didn't work at all
@@Jucelegario check Charlie Newman comment here (and whole thread), there are some great advices for that.
What do you guys mean? 2019, current and future cards won't work with my 2010 regular BIOS motherboard?
what did you do, China Xeon on X299?
Just wanted to say that this actually worked. Managed to boot RX 5700 on P7H55-M which is quite freaking old. Needed to use integrated graphics, as this board had no other PCIe x16 slots. I connected both cards to different monitors. Used PEG/iGPU (dual). The integrated graphics took the lead, main GPU screen was showing no picture. After bios windows booted as well and then basic drivers got installed automatically on RX5700.
Small issue - seems like I can't just stop using this integrated gpu. If I disable the iGPU, once again I get a black screen after bios. Still, I was able to confirm that the card is functional and use it. Will look to upgrade rest of the parts now.
Thank you so much!!! I have a P7-1280T mobo and the GT 710 2GB LP, all the system would do is just beep with the boot splashscreen, and i had to keep running the system on a 512MB ATI card, even the system specs state that the GT card was not compatible. But thanks to this video i was able to fix the issue with your reference to the BIOS settings and was able to find the exact setting i needed
My solution is to just buy an older card, which still has a decent performance.
You can buy the Nvidia 1080Ti or 1080 or 1070 or the AMD Vega56 or Vega64 or even the Vega VII.
These have still good performance and these dont require UEFI motherboard. I use the MSI X58 Pro-E with Vega64 with no issues at all. Run games in Full HD very good. Processor is six-core X5675 and 24 GB RAM. Problem solved.
If I want to upgrade the Vega64, maybe upgrade to 1080Ti \ Vega VII or I just buy a used Ryzen System with more modern video card, and again, no problems.
It would be REALLY interesting to see if this could work using an old school PCI video card for those motherboards that only have one full-length PCIe slot.
I tried a PCI GeForce 6200 and it did NOT work.
@@philscomputerlab Bummer! Thanks for satisfying my curiosity.
@@philscomputerlab bro i need ur help
I got this message pop out when i turn on my pc "Vga does not support by UEFI Driver " i just build my New Rig.
Ive searched online for solution but no luck or whatsoever guidelines out there.
What should i do? Ive tried disabled CSM ,fast boot ,secure boot to "other" and when i did thpse settings i simply cant boot into my Windows 10 ssd it keep saying "select proper boot device.or insert installation media
Spec :
Intel core i3 10105F
Asus H410M-E
8GB DDR4
RX580 4gb 2048sp
240Gb ssd
ThermalTake 650w
You can leave GTX 710 enabled for Physix for example or some other NV scpecifics like CUDA. Ocasional use is still better than no use if you already have it in the system.
Extra little thing to try, use a monitor that has both DVI and HDMI input, plug the 710 into DVI and the RX5700 into HDMI.. all else the same. The monitor should auto detect the DVI on startup display the boot sequence, then when Win10 disables the card it "Should" go into a monitor off state and then detect the rx5700..
Might work, or fail spectacularly
You can keep a very cheap 15 inch unbranded monitor (or a very cheap Second hand monitor) always plugued in to GT710 ......... just in case you need to do someting in BIOS or if you need to view the POST Screen before Windows Boot. That way you won't have to always unplug the monitor from RX5700 and plug in to GT710 whenever you need to view/do something in BIOS or POST Screen, like choosing an Operating System in case Multiple OS setups.
Great content as always! Can we get a PhilsComputerLab video on gameport card and midi/gameport compatability on than these Motherboards?.... There are more than a few of us collecting legacy Joysticks!
Why not use a USB joystick? I don't like using my old Sidewinder with modern PC, I use it as little as possible, to preserve the functionality.
Nice trick!!!! Could also use some of those FX1800 etc. I have loads of ex workstation GPUs from past upgrade builds!
Yea for sure, anything older than the RX 5700 cards, should work just fine :)
@@philscomputerlab weird, because i have a q67 mobo that seems to have a legacy bios and not uefi; and i bought a rx550 and it's not working in the mobo, it either doesn't boot with the card or boots from iGPU (no video output fropm the card at all) although the iGPU works completely fine. Also, the rx550 is not faulty because i tested it in another pc with an UEFI bios and the rx550 runs completely fine there.
Interesting, some motherboards will allow you to have integrated graphics active along with a card, though I guess that wouldn't help with a Xeon
The x58 platform has no igpus
Another advantage of doing this is if the board supports iommu you can install windows in a KVM for a huge security benefit and convenience sake
Instead of buying a GT 710 and wasting $50. A New ATI Rage XL from China would be a better choice as most old systems would have a Legacy PCI slots and then Changing the primary video slot in the bios to "PCI", Way cheaper and would work the same as a GT 710.
Could always use a KVM to have both video cards connected so you can still access the BIOS and pre-Windows boot screens when needed without having to swap around monitor cables.
Had the same issue with Radeon VII. My old mobo did not support UEFI GPU's, and it did not have space for two GPU's, so what I did was boot with my old GPU, then install networking, make sure Windows boots up to desktop without interaction. Shut off computer, switched the Radeon VII in, booted again waited for 5 minutes for Windows 10 to detect the only GPU installed, and turn on the display output. From there on it was update drivers etc.
This is a very useful tips! Thanks! Couldn't you do this with the onboard graphics?
I have a x5675@4.4ghz 24gb 2133mhz ran and a 1070 since my i7 2600k died. Very happy. But I will change to r5 3600 to get 20 more fps in pubg. Maybe even 10600k.
If you don't have a second PCIe slot, or don't want to lose lanes depending on system, there are some PCI videocards that'll still work with Windows 10. They are rare, but also quite cheap. Same for PCIe x1 videocards
Just bought a RX 5500XT for a FX 6300 rig and I absolutely can't afford the CPU+RAM+MOTHERBOARD upgrade, probably the thing will not boot then. I had no idea that regular BIOS was an issue, can you do the DUET usb workaround that people mentioned? subscribed just for that!
did you try?
@@vlad-cl4on nah, I returned the card and got a GTX 1660 instead. Already flipped that rig tho. Now I'm running a RX 6600 with a xeon e5 2620 v3, 16gigs and a random chinese motherboard from alibaba
Great work. ✔️💯🏆
Thanks so much for sharing. 😉👌🏼
Quite an elegant solution.
clover bootloader should work as well as "duet/refind"
can you please help me how to do it ?
Save my life, man !!! Thank you 👍👍👍
No problem 👍
Now, someone needs to send Phil a couple RTX 3090s, so he can compete in the Port Royal benchmarking battle with some older Xeons.
Tuesday bonus video 😍
You know it!
Could also probably get that to work on any cheap old PCI(non E) card as well That board had a PCI slot just under the 2nd PCI-E slot.
For the trouble of getting a rx5700 to work, you might as well use a GTX 1080 which performs roughly the same
GTX 1080s are usually way more expensive.
Got a used i5-2400/jetway mobo bundle for 30 dollars and it won't boot with GTX 1050 (which an X58 mobo can, strangely). What I did to bring it to life is to make it boot off the IGD exclusively, then in windows I disabled the IGD and set display 2 which is the GTX 1050 as my main display. So yeah the display freezes with a black screen after the mainboard logo until windows fully kicks in.
The answer is "Use a second graphic card". I faced with the same problem, and it was resolved the same as the video shows
my processor has internal graphics. will it work?
Phil thank you for the video, but why do you keep using always amd gpus? We have 1050ti and 1070 on AM2 motherboards and they work just fine (bottlenecked but they work).
A while I made the decision to go with AMD. Intel upset me when they pulled their legacy drivers and I believe in Radeon because of the consoles...
Um, the RX580 is also typically a UEFI only card. My friend has a 2080ti running on an EVGA SR-2 motherboard (same platform) with no issues. X58 is new enough that it should have UEFI support. LGA775 and AM3 are typically the newest platforms that don't have UEFI.
X58 does not support uefi out of the box, as for the rx580, it depends on the manufacturer the gigabyte gaming model I had supports legacy
SR-2? You a very lucky,, Sir. Nice. I want one but the price, ouch.
@@madb132 I apologize, I didn't mean that I had an sr2. I have the gigabyte ex58 extreme motherboard which only supports legacy as well.
I did however have the gigabyte rx580 gaming GPU which supported both legacy and uefi.
I currently have a 5700xt that only supports uefi but I use duet with refined to get around it
@@charlienewman7496 Ah, no need for an apology. i may have miss read it, But those SR-2 boards, oooh!. So Rx 580 gigabyte cards are the ones to get. i have three x58 boards asus p6t deluxe (my over clocking board)and pt6t ws evo and gigabyte ex58-ud5(my daily) I have used the "twin set up" as an get around. (i tinker at fixing broken video cards and the like as a hobby.)Just wish motherboard support would last longer. I don't really play games so much nowadays, more into using computers as a number cruncher in things like universal sandbox 2 .
@@madb132 I remember reading that out of all the x58 boards the Asus boards have some sort of an option to turn on or off in the Bios that will help when running non Legacy gpus
Thanks for this!
Great video.
Cool video Phil, this can be usefull, thanks a lot! Would this work with any old pci-E card as a "starter"?
Yes it would!
Maybe I misunderstood, it has to be a graphics card.
Nope, you got it, thanks again!
I wouldn't say the GT710 is useless for gaming. It runs older games really well. Games like Unreal Tournament 2004.
You know, as soon as I said that, I knew someone would take offence :)
Connecting an automatic hdmi switcher from both cards to the monitor should be a good fix for not seeing bios
Or use a PCI graphics card? As that board has a PCI slot.
It doesn’t work once you reboot because it was the uefi firmware that prevent motherboard bios from post.
I had to do this once but installed intel graphics and set it to boot of that and then installed the drivers
Will the RX550 work on legacy bios?
Hey there! Nice video as always. Can you please name the latest series from AMD and Nvidia that can run natively on non-UEFI motherboards?
With AMD the RX 400 / 500 series. With Nvidia, I'm not sure...
PhilsComputerLab Not in all. A Rx 480 does not work on x58 Dell T3500 (tested) without two GPU workaround as on boot up a Legacy boot code is missing. Single Gtx 1060 works, but the workaround is so easy and often even delivered.
Gtx 10 series work
Will we still get a tuesday video on cpuspd? The tool has really grown nicely to be one of the definitive hardware throtteling tools that works in pure dos but also extenders and even 98.
I haven't looked into that tool yet! Last time I checked it didn't work well with the AGP Pentium 4 stuff, more with the 775 PCIe? What system would you recommend to showcase it?
@@philscomputerlab I recommend taking a look at the compatibility matrix at his post. His new versions were solely focused on supporting more systems and features so it would be cool to see it on a variety of systems. After popular demand he started supporting the same systems setmul handles but his main focus was on the stuff setmul could not do.
His latest version supports the following although availibity depends on the CPU:
- CPU cache on or off
- L2 cache on or off
- Instruction cache on or off
- Branch prediction on or off
- Data Prefetch on or off
- CPU multiplier
- On demand clock modifier changes
- CPU throttle like the other socket based throtteling tools
I know the initial version i recommended you to check out used AHCI to lookup the correct things to modify, but people ran into trouble with this. The latest versions support more settings than the original release did and have a lookup table provided for systems where this fails.
So in general the chances you get it working now on the same system are higher, but if you want to showcase every single setting you will likely need a few systems.
I also have the same motherboard and encountered the same problem. 5500xt cannot be used on the HUANANZHI motherboard until I see this video. Use Google Translate
I had some problems with a GPU not booting correctly in the bios but would boot when windows starts. I had to turn off the bios splash screen because for some weird reason, it was causing the GPU to not display the bios.
Oh this is a great idea :D
good thing i kept the parts of my old computer that had a GT 720 for a GPU.
Phil, will you ever do a dual socket AliExpress build? like a dual E5 2678v3 (24 cores total), using a Huananzhi dual socket board?
I am too lazy to deal with all this, or take the risk that one day the drivers will no longer get supported and have to redo the whole thing again with another card. What I would do is to find a cheap legacy card with VGA port, and then plug it in with VGA from legacy port to monitor, then the HDMI / Display Port from the UEFI card to monitor. In Windows just keep multi-monitor mode to the UEFI card only.
Can you make a video on how to boot USB from non-boot supported boards? For example on ASUS P6T (X58), without requiring Plop Boot Manager on disc each time. Specifically Windows-To-Go.
G'day Phil,
Just wondering if you take out the second GPU if it still boots fine, other than the lack of access to BIOS,
also for 'How can I get this to work' I used a similar setup to reflash the BIOS on a couple of Sapphire RX480Nitro+ cards I got cheap from a Miner, the guy said he would reflash the BIOS for me but when I got them they weren't putting out a display, so the Quadro200 I got in a Dell PC came in handy for getting into windows😁
either he forgot or used the wrong BIOS as there are a couple of different ones for Sapphire RX480Nitro+ so you have to check the part number properly to get the right one from TechPowerUp
Phil could you make a followup video with the Atermiter motherboard and try using this workaround with a pcie 1X graphics card?
Hey, Phil! How about a video about version 2 of Easy2Boot?
I tried this but when I start my PC. My monitor only shows a blinking underscore. How to fix it?
Check the connection to your OS drive! That's usually seen with a corrupted boot loader on the drive. (possibly bumped it)
Nice workarounf
Aren't you using the term for bottle-necking kinda wrong? You say the CPU is fast enough to bottleneck the 580, but when the 580 runs at 100% isn't it the GPU creating the bottleneck? I understand your goal is to test potential of the CPU. But in general it is better to have a GPU-bottleneck. In this case it might not cause an issue i think with the 5700 because Strange Brigade is not more demanding on the CPU? Love your videos by the way :)
Yup you're right! What I meant to say is that in many games, this older X58 platform can be bottlenecked by a RX 580! So that's why I want to use the RX 5700, to really show what a system can do, as the point is to review a CPU or system, and not a GPU.
so what this does is it uses the lower end card as the output device but uses the other for the actual processing? cool, no bugs occured, nothing? no glitching or anything? why not just use sli with the same cards? and if you can afford a power supply to run them both, you can also afford a better motherboard that lacks this issue.
Hey, can you revisit for the 1156 socket for late 2020? (for crysis remastered etc) I noticed the X3400 series Xeons (I picked a x3450 for $21 AUD) are extremely cheap right now and was wondering if it's still a viable option.
I believe that I bought some sort of Xeon for this platform.
@@philscomputerlab I think you purchased a X3470 way back (i7 870 equivalent).
Some monitors auto switch over between whichever input is active, so you could connect both graphics cards to one monitor with multiple inputs(DVI/VGA/DP/HDMI), therefore still seeing the bootup and BIOS/UEFI.
edit: You shouldn't require the 2nd GPU with Intel systems that have onboard GPU, or AMD APU systems. Just set your primary GPU order to onboard.
Xeons don't have iGPU
Yea and AMD FX series CPUs as well, they are also affected with this issue.
@@philscomputerlab cant confirm this, ive ran an fx system with a rx5000er series and it worked just like other cards.
@@unfunf22 UEFI will depend on the motherboard not the CPU used. It's just unlikely with motherboards in the X58 generation but there appear to be some outliers.
wow.. that's nice work around... btw, rather than disable it, can you make the geforce into physx processor?
It will probably slow down the other card
I have the same problem but backwards, trying to get a 7970, a non UEFI card to work correctly with a UEFI motherboard. Think I'm going to end up running a HDMI cable from the internal igpu to my monitor to work around it but I really didn't want to do that
that and some games will let you select which GPU to use under graphics settings
I'm assuming if the motherboard has built in graphics that would also allow a UEFI only Graphics card to work.
this works with I-gpus aswell sir!
I think you could set the GT 710 to only be a display adapter and set it from windows to do all the graphic processing on the RX 5700. I also think that this will give somewhere between 10-15 lower FPS in games.
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@@Viewer19 I know it's not recommended but explain your NO, to me. So that I may understand.
@@Teksers Setting the compute doesn't work for all games. Is it an option for XP? It dose solve the boot screen issue.
yeah this is GREAT. But what about a workaround for a whitelist?
I'm trying to do the opposite with using a GTX 580 on a B550 motherboard, so would this method work with my scenario?
dude pls help me, so my motherboard is biostar A30MH PRO it's the uefi version for the first time and then it changes to legacy by itself after my psu burn out then I have been replaced my psu with the new one but I can't use my rx 570 anymore like you said it will no boot the windows after I install the driver of the vga. my question is how to convert the legacy bios to uefi??
Couldn't you just install windows on the SSD using a usb to SATA converter then put it in the pc?
tech yes city just made a video about overclocked x58 xeons, seems that RTX 2070 Super is the sweet spot gpu for that, so that one doesnt miss out on any performance and system is balanced. to think about it, its quite insane, considering the age of these CPU's, but he did have it OC'd to 4,5Ghz..
Yea at 4.5 GHz these old CPUs still hang in there. Remember, they have 6 cores...
Isn't 100% usage supposed to be normal as long as you aren't dropping frames? I thought if it's 100% then it's using max of its capability no?
Awesome video. Can it be any video card?
Also, I have a Radeon HD 6850. Can I use this instead of buying another video card (GT 710)? Thanks again, keep up the AWESOME CONTENT!! SUBD!!
What about a DAA78L and an A10-7800k plus 48GB of DDR3 RAM plus the other parts to build a PC as well as that RADEON RX5700.
why in the sam hill would you pair 48gb with a shitty a10!?!?!?!
@@virtualtools_3021 Because the motherboard is UEFI compliant.
Hello Phil can you please try the p106-90 with the GT 710 I heard that this GPU is between the GTX 1060 and the GTX 1050 TI it's only priced at $50 and it can deliver some good performance.
Damn wish i knew about this back in 2017 my rx 480 wouldnt work with old lenovo i bought with i5 2400 and I gathered it was because of no uefi so i saved up and bought the parts to build a ryzen 5 1600 pc instead
I bet you could have used a GT 520 in the pci (non-express) slot as well.
Well I tried a 6200 in the PCI slot, and that did not work!
@@philscomputerlab ..... pffff, ... pre-legacy?
trying to get a 5700xt working with LGA775 for the memes.
apparantly i was lucky with my 2070 super just working out of box on a gigabyte x58 motherboard. thing was not legacy. but it definitely worked all the way trough.
Not working for me my Rx 570 cant boot
this was what i did with my mac pro 2,1 (2007) running windows 10 to get my rx 480 to work. (don't worry that beast of a machine is gone)
@Dalle Smalhals well i got it for a hell of a deal, with almost max upgrade and it ran doom 2016 at 126 fps(yes low but impressive for how old it is). now i have a custom pc built into a mac g5 case as the cases boil quality are beyond any pc cases.
the geforce gt 710 still has to have a UEFI BIOS