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  • There were a couple of aspects about flying Air China that were just puzzling. In spite of that, it was an overall okay journey, and certainly great for the low price I paid.
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    Airline: Air China
    Aircraft: Boeing 737-800 / Airbus A350-900
    Registration: B-1958 / B-322H
    Flight Time: 1h 55min / 10h 00min
    Seat: 27L / 57L
    From: Seoul Incheon
    Via: Beijing Capital
    To: Vienna Schwechat
    Date: December 2023
    EQUIPMENT INFORMATION
    Cameras used: Canon R6 (Canon 15-35mm F2.6), iPhone 15 Pro Max, DJI Osmo Pocket
    Additional equipment used: Rode VideoMic Pro+, Blue Yeti Podcast Microphone, Joby Bendipod, Aputure AL-MC LED Light, Joby GorillaPod 1K
    PRICE BREAKDOWN
    Total Price: EUR 400.41
    Total Routing: ICN-PEK-VIE
    Booked through: Air China Website
    Cost includes: Economy Class Ticket including two checked bags and seat reservations at booking
    Booking made: August 2023
    VIDEO BREAKDOWN
    00:00 - Introduction
    01:30 - Intro
    01:50 - Getting to Incheon Airport
    02:42 - Incheon Airport
    03:16 - Flight from ICN to PEK
    09:57 - Transiting at PEK
    14:48 - Boarding
    15:50 - Cabin and Seat
    18:26 - Inflight Entertainment
    19:31 - Taxi and Take Off
    20:40 - Dinner Service
    21:18 - Inflight
    21:55 - Breakfast Service
    23:35 - Conclusion
    26:17 - Landing
    26:36 - Deboarding
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Комментарии • 384

  • @tomhua9991
    @tomhua9991 21 день назад +49

    As a Chinese who often flies Air China, I hope I can answer some of the questions in your video. First of all, it’s about Air China’s pillows. Generally speaking, pillows departing from the home port (for Air China, it’s PEK) are definitely clean. But their flights are usually same-day round-trips, so they won’t get a brand new pillow in Korea. That's why you see dirty pillows on the flight back to Beijing from South Korea. Secondly, many airports in China promote energy conservation, so their air conditioning is very limited, especially at night when no one is around, which is why you feel cold in winter. Finally, a big reason why connecting flights from China to Europe is cheaper is the cost savings due to access to Russian airspace.

  • @npligs24
    @npligs24 25 дней назад +415

    Hey David, as a frequent traveler in China, I'd like to answer some of the oddities you've encountered in your trip.
    First of all, I am impressed that Air China even offered a hot meal service ICN-PEK. Chinese airlines are hand-stripped by a rule imposed by the CAAC (Civil Aviation Administration of China) that strictly prohibits any cabin service 20 minutes after takeoff and 30 mins before landing. This leads to many of the shorter routes (usually less than 1.5h) operated by Chinese airlines has basically no service other than handing out a bottled water, international or domestic. For instance, I've flown China Southern on Seoul/ICN - Yantai/YNT, a route comparable to ICN-PEK, and I got nothing but a water and a bag of cookies. By contrast, the same route operated by Korean Air has full hot meal service and the flight attendants still have time to sell duty free.
    This also partly explains why cabin lights in your flight to Vienna was turned on very early. The crews just want the cabin cleared way before the 30-minutes requirement. Chinese pilots also has some odd behaviors, such as they never actually use the seat belt sign to indicate whether or not you should leave the seat and use the lavatory -- they just keep it on at all times.
    Overhead screens are still common, but it is reported that some Chinese airlines are neglecting it in newer orders. They are quite funny, actually. I've been on plenty 4 to 5 hours-long domestic flights where overhead screens are the only entertainment, and flight attendants will actually hand out free earphones for you to tune in to those "radio" stations in your armrest. The big three carriers in China will always offer you a hot meal (if the flight is on meal time and it's longer than 1.5h) and 20kg of checked baggage, but unless you are flying a widebody, there's no personal IFE. No hot meal service if not on meal time -- this applies to domestic and international flights operated by the big three airlines. There's hardly any Wifi, but I'm cool with that anyways. Part of the reason why I prefer traveling by air over high-speed rail, is that there's no moron blasting TikTok on loudspeakers next to you.
    For airports in Beijing, since the new Daxing (PKX) opens, it siphons plenty of traffic from PEK. As it turns out, Beijing just never really have enough international passengers (at least for this moment) to support two huge airports. Also, part of international flights departs from PEK's Terminal 2, that takes away more passengers from T3 to keep all the shops from running overnight.
    PEK's T3 is infamous for being too cold during winter and too hot during summer. T3's building has very high celling and huge glass wall -- as shown in the video. This makes it easy for heat to get trapped in like a greenhouse, as well as for heat to escape during winter. So, basically, PEK's T3 just sucks at HVAC.
    Getting in airline lounges through Priority Pass may not be possible in the future. During Covid, many China Southern lounges across the country also allows PP holders to get in, but they stopped cooperation in early 2024. China Eastern lounges in PVG also never allows PP holders. But you can get in them if you have a credit card that has Plaza Premium access. This certainly makes me think PP access to Air China lounges may not last long, too.
    Pressed vegetables are something that I particulate enjoy when flying Chinese airlines. Many in China prefers a saltier meal, so pressed vegetables are a good way to condition your dish. That's why no matter how mediocre the meal service is, there is always some kind of pressed or pickled vegetables. This is exactly how airlines should adapt to local taste. Even Delta and American provide chili sauce -- something to add flavor -- to their flight to Beijing, at least before Covid.
    Air China is the flag carrier of the People's Republic of China, but as seen in the video, some of its fleet has it's Chinese flag covered. These are planes that are flying to Taiwan. The bilateral treaty for civil aviation between Beijing and Taipei bans planes from flying the PRC's flag nor Taiwan (ROC)'s flag across the strait. China Airlines used to fly with ROC's flag on, but they changed all exterior design so it won't matter anyways; while Air China use part of its fleet that has the PRC flag covered to fly to Taiwan. It is said that Air China used to have one-third of its fleet with PRC flag covered.
    Although Air China, China Eastern, and China Southern are all state-owned, this doesn't means competition don't exist. The last mainland Chinese airline videos on this channel are well before Covid, and they all changed quite a bit during the pandemic. China Southern implemented the most cost-cutting measures during Covid, made adjustments that caused the Chinese aviation geeks furious, while China Eastern crashed a plane but has been improving their service. You should try all these big airlines if you have time -- it's now visa free for many European citizens to get into China.
    It should also be pointed out that airports in China can be quite different. Transiting in Beijing Capital (PEK) and Shanghai Pudong (PVG) just sucks. It's certainly better than some of the other airports that I've seen, but quite commonly I find myself helping some random foreigner in the terminal through the process or get a VPN that actually works. While Beijing Daxing (PKX) is much better -- they have policies that requires airport shops to sell at the same price as it is in downtown Beijing, and free transit resting areas, etc. I would recommend business travelers to avoid transiting in mainland China, unless the layover is short enough.

    • @johnpeng8888
      @johnpeng8888 25 дней назад +73

      Honestly one of the most comprehensive descriptions of traveling in China I have ever read!

    • @mylhodoppenberg
      @mylhodoppenberg 25 дней назад +20

      I love you dedication and description 🙌🏼

    • @woutergijs5246
      @woutergijs5246 25 дней назад +8

      Nice reply, informative for future travel plans to Asia. Xiamen is okay

    • @4evertrue830
      @4evertrue830 24 дня назад +9

      Wow, you wrote a whole book there. Took me about 20mins to read it all. 😂😅😂😅😊

    • @aaronxu9996
      @aaronxu9996 24 дня назад +11

      棒棒!介绍的好详细 正好客观地科普了下国内的一些飞行文化和知识

  • @barrielui
    @barrielui 25 дней назад +92

    13:00 I'm interested in the lounge just for the coffee machine 😂

    • @ahqhue
      @ahqhue 16 дней назад +2

      Put a tip jar out and pretend to be the barista on duty.

    • @xtasLOCO
      @xtasLOCO 13 дней назад

      IKR! Would be so fun to play with! My reaction was Self-Service!! As opposed to Self-Service?! 😅

  • @Blooga_
    @Blooga_ 25 дней назад +100

    The straw for the meal was for the yogurt, its very typical to drink the yogurt with a straw in china

    • @dragon32210
      @dragon32210 24 дня назад +1

      The yogurt must be thin?

    • @Avantime
      @Avantime 24 дня назад +5

      @@dragon32210 You've never seen yoghurt sold in pouches? Same way to 'drink' the yoghurt but no need for a straw. They're common in children's packed lunches.

    • @Lycoris831
      @Lycoris831 23 дня назад

      It was invented by Japan.

    • @unoriginalname3442
      @unoriginalname3442 21 день назад +1

      The Chinese need to hear about gogurt

    • @exiapiemon3296
      @exiapiemon3296 18 дней назад

      It is, still thicker than Yakult ​@@dragon32210

  • @Gyle.3559
    @Gyle.3559 25 дней назад +31

    Following your content all these years. This helped me a lot during my first flight.

  • @natehiger410
    @natehiger410 25 дней назад +86

    As a frequent United flyer, I would have zero complaints on air China

    • @putt7515
      @putt7515 17 дней назад +1

      United is horrible

    • @Alex_k_Q
      @Alex_k_Q 16 дней назад +10

      I know right? Once air China had terrible food in flight, but when I came back on a United flight then took the air China connecting flight, I found the food really enjoyable …… think about how horrible the food is on United

    • @Yourmama1727
      @Yourmama1727 12 дней назад

      @@putt7515no not really most of the flights I flown on united is good but I think why people hate it is because of the videos online but united is good.

    • @user-vy4lz9ux9s
      @user-vy4lz9ux9s 12 дней назад +1

      As an Air Canada flyer, I have zero complaints on Air China too.

    • @Alex_k_Q
      @Alex_k_Q 11 дней назад

      @@user-vy4lz9ux9s 艹,我唯一一次飞加航,他们还少发了一顿饭,还延误……我到了首都机场改签错过的后续航班,然后一路狂奔,人都差点饿虚脱了……上飞机第一句话:有水没……还好空乘很好,那天那个航班也没什么人,直接给了我一瓶一升的水……

  • @peterrisbergs7156
    @peterrisbergs7156 25 дней назад +39

    An Austrian shivers at 12 C? A Latvian would be in shorts and a t shirt. This would be a heat wave in Latvia.

    • @legouniverse8976
      @legouniverse8976 25 дней назад +3

      Es reāli būtu šortos un džemperī.😅

    • @peterrisbergs7156
      @peterrisbergs7156 25 дней назад +1

      @@legouniverse8976 Es brauksu no ASV uz Latviju Augusta. IAH-RIX $503 r/t ar British Airways.

    • @berthebear_real
      @berthebear_real 25 дней назад +1

      I agree with you, 12 C for me as a Norwegian is early summer temperature and not shivering. I thought Austria had some similar temperature like us due to their mountains but I guess not.

    • @jimbo6059
      @jimbo6059 23 дня назад

      Latvian says in old my beer.

    • @ATIMELINEOFAVIATION
      @ATIMELINEOFAVIATION 16 дней назад

      Similar flags 🇦🇹🇱🇻

  • @mst4309
    @mst4309 25 дней назад +92

    Air China is the least quality of China’s “big three”. But they’re doing better I think, though I’d love to see brutally honest about for example China Southern, transitting Beijing Daxing or Guangzhou etc.

    • @celebrityrog
      @celebrityrog 25 дней назад

      And all of them owned by Xi

    • @pauljohnson9749
      @pauljohnson9749 25 дней назад +8

      I don't think it would be worse than China Eastern......for the international routes I mean. I've took the PVG-SYD flight of China Eastern for two times and I'll never choose this airline again unless I've got no other choices......although the food and air attendants are great😣

    • @chenseanxy
      @chenseanxy 25 дней назад

      @@pauljohnson9749 Yeah Eastern is terrible imo, every time I flew them it's an horrible experience. Air China at least gets you where you wanna go (mostly).
      Shenzhen Airlines is actually pretty good being Air China's subsidiary, catering and service is usually a bit better than CA, and even offers cheaper points fares than CA on some competing routes. Would recommend although they don't have a great international network.

    • @thegrandaviator8308
      @thegrandaviator8308 25 дней назад

      @@pauljohnson9749 What plane? I basically only choose their A359s over their other widebodies as the 777s and 330s have different cabins with EXTREMELY different seats and services

    • @pauljohnson9749
      @pauljohnson9749 24 дня назад

      @@thegrandaviator8308 A359, both times. For my flight in last month, they didn't give me a chance to choose the seat before boarding and I was placed in the middle row of its 3-3-3 economy class, which made me confused when both air attendants on each aisle were delivering food and drink. The contents in the PTV was limited as well. Luckily it was A359. If I boarded their A330, I couldn't even imagine what horrifying experience would be there waiting for me.

  • @MrBlueCreeper
    @MrBlueCreeper 25 дней назад +55

    When I visited Beijing’s PEK airport in the summer, the terminal was UNBEARABLY hot. I guess PEK directly relates the temperature outside to the inside.

    • @chengzi6416
      @chengzi6416 25 дней назад +2

      Maybe that was an accident. Cuz ive been in that airport many times and it was fine

    • @randomtravel4361
      @randomtravel4361 25 дней назад +2

      Standard temperature is 25-26 with A/C on. I took a high speed train in China last year and cabin temp was showing 27, possibly higher...

    • @themomentchannel3498
      @themomentchannel3498 25 дней назад +6

      May i ask if you were in terminal 3? because that terminal is quite infamous for pratically being a greenhouse, when theres sun it gets very hot in there and when theres no sun it feels like you're inside a fridge.

    • @Ampax-ju9wh
      @Ampax-ju9wh 25 дней назад

      no, the terminal feels perfectly comfortable to me everytime I went

    • @MrBlueCreeper
      @MrBlueCreeper 25 дней назад

      @@themomentchannel3498 I’m pretty sure it was Terminal 3 because I was transferring from United to Air China (this was in 2018 BTW)

  • @user-ro8we3ce1i
    @user-ro8we3ce1i 25 дней назад +6

    I haven’t been flying on CA since 2015 hence not many impressions retained.
    Thank you for reviewing it, that’s a lot of help on airline choosing.

  • @Crewmate85
    @Crewmate85 25 дней назад +41

    As a Chinese,thank you for reviewing Air China.Great video as always!

  • @erdii123
    @erdii123 25 дней назад +9

    Air China has an insane value for the price. Got the flight myself from London LHR to Sydney (LHR-PEK-SYD-PEK-LHR) for just 580€ in March 2024. For the price, it was extremely nice in my opinion (except the Cabin of their Airbus A330-300)

  • @wavesandsky
    @wavesandsky 25 дней назад +5

    12:20 Same Experience in Shanghai. Huge, massive Airport and nobody around. Also my Gate was incorrectly displayed on the screens. That was in 2019, so no pandemic thing it seems. Transit was also very chaotic with sketchy passport controls.

  • @lnnthl
    @lnnthl 25 дней назад +8

    Love the clean announcement recordings on the A350 flight!
    Also: Business class product on CA's 737-800 looks like the B/E Aerospace Millennium seat.

  • @Paul-oe3bq
    @Paul-oe3bq 25 дней назад +5

    I flew on Air China from/to Geneva and one thing I rlly liked was those stickers at 21:16 to let u know u can ask for food its a rlly small thing but a nice detail.

  • @DevBoyjonauth
    @DevBoyjonauth 25 дней назад +4

    Another great trip report David! Thanks for posting. 😊

  • @DerLucavK
    @DerLucavK 25 дней назад +1

    Oh I was looking forward for such a video. Thanks guys 😊🎉

  • @user-gy6jm5sn3x
    @user-gy6jm5sn3x 25 дней назад +5

    ❤Thank you for your review❤

  • @michaelafalck1345
    @michaelafalck1345 25 дней назад +1

    I always feel very entertained as your Reviews are very comprehensive and I do love the attention to the side information. Thank you

  • @DylanSkerten
    @DylanSkerten 25 дней назад +18

    I visit Beijing Capital airport (PEK) around twice a year and agree that the airport has a mysterious abandoned nature, probably because of Beijing's surge in capacity after the opening of Beijing Daxing (DAX) airport and the pandemic which China still hasn't fully recovered from. At night the lighting seems dim, the airport feels cold, even in spring and despite being quite new, the airport is beginning to show its age. I think the airport is drastically different in the daytime, the difference being well... Night and day. Natural light fills the airport, turning it into a warm and pleasant space, far from the gloomy feel it takes on at night. It is a shame that Beijing makes me feel unwelcome, the feeling of entering a lifeless dystopian world, far from the warm welcome that I would like to also see at night rather than just the day. Hello from London! 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳

    • @themomentchannel3498
      @themomentchannel3498 25 дней назад +2

      True! i remember how busy and crowded PEK used to be, at one point it was the second busiest airport in the world behind (obviously) Atlanta's airport.

    • @austinli8891
      @austinli8891 21 день назад +1

      it's PKX, not DAX

    • @DylanSkerten
      @DylanSkerten 18 дней назад

      @@austinli8891 Oh yes! It felt wrong when I typed it in... I am sure I have seen DAX somewhere else... (Excessive use of elipsis)

    • @DylanSkerten
      @DylanSkerten 18 дней назад

      @@austinli8891 Wrong side of China! DAX is Dazhou Heshi Airport. (Chinese: 达州河市机场) (ICAO: ZUDX) It is an airport in Dazhou, Sichuan province, China.

  • @DaCoasterKing
    @DaCoasterKing 25 дней назад +4

    yo simplyaviation, i'm from vienna/austria too and i would love to see your flight departing/landing one time. Do you somewhere make a post before you attend a flight so i know when i need to get to VIE?

  • @threeparots1
    @threeparots1 25 дней назад +2

    Had the of flying CAAC in 1988 to HK to Guilin. As I was young, I did not realize that was close to the end for the CAAC incarnation. At that time the 737-200s they were flying were built in 1983 and were fairly new. Overshot altitude on departure (apparent training flight with passengers) and had an altitude drop for several uncomfortable seconds. Return flight was extremely smooth. Got little CAAC wings with every flight in a fancy plastic case. We’re considered bravery medals for the flight in. CAAC was mocked a bit in HK at the time, but they weren’t too bad.

    • @randomtravel4361
      @randomtravel4361 25 дней назад +1

      I presumed it was about that time when CAAC flight 301 crashed a Trident at Kai Tak and ended up in the water.

  • @tailsorange2872
    @tailsorange2872 25 дней назад +14

    2:55 what if your suitcase was made entirely out of Kimchi?

  • @BarneyLeith
    @BarneyLeith 25 дней назад +3

    My granddaughter recently flew from Narita to London Gatwick via Shanghai. Much cheaper than other airlines.

  • @krenarsopa8354
    @krenarsopa8354 25 дней назад +1

    I flew 4 Air China flights this year, I can honestly say I was impressed by the service on the plane, I met some very friendly crew. The problem I had with them was in actual China on the ground as not many of their ground staff know English that well which can be a pain in the ass when you have a cancelled flight like I do. Another thing I noticed was the pilots really try to make the flight as smooth as possible, when you hit turbulence they slow the plane down and try to change altitude.

  • @woutergijs5246
    @woutergijs5246 25 дней назад +1

    Seoul Incheon Term 1 is nice. Clean. Well organised. Easy for T-money card. Quick train connection, bus 6001. Restaurant boulevard upstairs. And cheap prices for smokes (29$ for M’boro) and liquor

  • @SKY4510Production
    @SKY4510Production 25 дней назад +3

    Interesting. My experience is completly different. I were on the same ICN - PEK route but depart on 14:40 (CA439). There was no meal service, only 2 rounds of drinks.

    • @keavon7096
      @keavon7096 25 дней назад

      Your departing time missed the meal hour, they only tend to serve meals commonly during noon(11-13) and evenings(17-19).

  • @bo3539
    @bo3539 25 дней назад +4

    the safety announcement in Chinese make me cry cause I miss my grandparents

  • @steveshao7309
    @steveshao7309 25 дней назад +3

    Brilliant review! Just filed a recommendation letter to Beijing Capital Airport Group according to your review! Thanks for the honest review!

  • @fahada.salam.910
    @fahada.salam.910 25 дней назад +5

    Another great video 🎉!

  • @rafaelschram6034
    @rafaelschram6034 23 дня назад

    Hi, love your videos. I have a question. How do you experience seats on rows that are located in front of the lavatories, is it bothersome or not?

  • @daniellam1992
    @daniellam1992 22 дня назад

    I took CX393 from PEK to HKG on 1 Apr. The departure time was 18:40 and I pass through security check 2 hrs before departure time. The only shops opening were duty free and some restaurants in the restricted area. I was shocked to see that as it was evening and there are still many flights for departure.

  • @Curzon1999vie
    @Curzon1999vie 24 дня назад +1

    Took the A350 from Vienna to Bejing a week ago. I really liked it. Food was good, staff was friendly and the toilets werde always clean. They checked after almost every visitor. I guess because some Chinese still squat on the toilet with their feet and everything gets dirty. I was unlucky to experience that. But they quickly cleaned it. Having clean toilets up until the end was something new to me. I travel to China frequently and I am pretty sure I will take them again. The price and the not having to avoid Russian air space plus are unbeatable.

  • @kevin19358
    @kevin19358 25 дней назад +1

    On your 2nd flight to Vienna, how many hours did you sleep on the plane?

  • @alanwang848
    @alanwang848 22 дня назад +1

    A little correction, Deng was never the Chairman (or President) nor the Secretary-General ( to be honest he was the Secretary-General in 1956-1967, but the position is not the highest in CPC at that time, Mao is the Chairman of the CPC at that point), he was the chairman of the central military committee of CPC/PRC and the chairman of the Central Consultative Committee CPC.

  • @yilunjin8705
    @yilunjin8705 25 дней назад

    Hi David,
    As a Chinese, I appreciate your unbiased and fair comments about air China. It's definitely not a very good airlines, but they are certainly improving. I also echo on your comments about PEK T3, the reason being that their are not so many international travelers in Chinese airports right now. My trip from Shanghai Pudong last September was similar: it was really quiet and not many people or shops there. Therefore, it may also make some sense why these carriers offer cheap international transit fares --- they have to carry out their international flights anyway, then better cheaper than empty.
    Safe trip!

  • @victorlaw3821
    @victorlaw3821 25 дней назад +3

    Hi David ! Do you have a plan to review the Comac either ARJ or the C919 ? Would be nice to hear your comment on the Comac product , thank you

  • @TheBudgetTraveller786
    @TheBudgetTraveller786 25 дней назад

    Air China is a airline I regularly keep my eyes on, they provide acceptable service and standard full service amenities for a very competitive price. I personally like their older roomier 3-3-3 seats on their 777 fleet as well.

  • @RedRhino49
    @RedRhino49 25 дней назад

    I transit through Beijing airport in 2014 and had the same exact thoughts (though I didn't visit during winter so thank God for that). Seems like the airline improved the last time I flew with them so if they could fix the airport then I may "consider" this airline again

  • @shan1474
    @shan1474 20 дней назад

    I used them on one round trip intercontinental in 2017. Their soft product matched their cheap fare. It's the airport system that twisted things on the return leg, resulting in a delay of over 24 hrs and incurred hotel fees out of my pocket.
    Transitting passengers had to queue at immigration back then, though your video shows otherwise, which is an improvement.
    They also had an air marshall in uniform, occupying a business class seat in domestic flights then... Don't know it same goes for their international flights...

  • @alejandrocanton
    @alejandrocanton 18 дней назад

    I flew on Business and economy from LAX to HGK with a stop in Beijing. Great all around. Greetings from Panama🇵🇦

  • @Plusty07
    @Plusty07 25 дней назад +2

    Hello David, great job as usual! May I say, I love the video's opening music!

  • @bennettchan3668
    @bennettchan3668 25 дней назад +5

    Renew cathay Pacific pls

  • @Race346KD
    @Race346KD 25 дней назад +7

    Brilliant review @simplyaviation!

  • @LPpauwels
    @LPpauwels 25 дней назад +1

    Air China has improved significantly. We took ours at the same time as yours, in December, albeit from Singapore -Shanghai( PVG)-London(LGW) and London(LHR)-Beijing(PEK)-Singapore but in business class. Everything was top notch except the limited IFE offered for non Chinese speaking passengers. There are quite a few Air China lounges at closed proximity in the Capital. We didn’t use the First but Business Class lounge. There were a few coffee machines where we were. I have to agree with you on the empty shops in the airports. It was a surreal experience for us. My initial thought was that they were closed for renovations but one of the crew members said it has been in that state since the pandemic. Would we fly with Air China? It’s a resounding yes for us! P.S. Loved their air safety video with their mascot!!

  • @toureifel
    @toureifel 25 дней назад +1

    First of all thank you for sharing this.
    I always found air China very good value for money. Based out of Frankfurt, even before Covid we got the 77W (in a 3-3-3 configuration making it very comfy) and the 747-8.
    Good is usually average but besides that I only had received good value for the money I paid.

  • @csn3333
    @csn3333 25 дней назад +1

    IMO, demands for international air travel was still lower than it was at 2019, and vendors might have not gained enough confidence to reopen their stores in the international area, as of my personal experience in Guangzhou, China Southern's hub

  • @WillHsuMusic
    @WillHsuMusic 25 дней назад +1

    The straw was probably for the yogurt. In Chinese, we say 喝優格 (in Taiwan) or 喝酸奶 (in mainland China), which means "drink yogurt".

  • @LeMassiveNoob
    @LeMassiveNoob 25 дней назад +2

    Been hoping somebody makes a review about Air China. Been looking into flying with them from Europe (probably Stockholm or London) to Tokyo via Beijing, especially given the cheaper prices.

  • @evansoul9248
    @evansoul9248 25 дней назад +2

    Love them a350❤❤

  • @anasianboi5271
    @anasianboi5271 25 дней назад +6

    Did you know that the first a321 had no chinese flag because it flies to taiwan

  • @klwty
    @klwty 25 дней назад +1

    Had almost same route, you said your connection time is over 6 hours? You can get a free hotel room for that period to avoid coldness😅, just find the counter outside baggage claim, in front of exit to parking lot, show your air china ticket and you get a room and transfer to that hotel or you can book the room ahead in their app, depends on your star alliance status, you may get a better hotel, at least last time I got a very sized double room for single use and free breakfast. visa is also not a problem, you get a transfer visa direct at PEK airport. And it doesn’t even require any visa if you hold certain EU-Passports, such as Germany or Austria, visa free right now for those citizens and this list is getting longer and langer. Air china service is much better than earlier years, the flight attendants approach to passengers much warmer than before, the security guy sitting on the first row of economy class is also politer. And the problem with shops at PEK.. don’t know why they are still closed, not that many international passengers due to second airport PKX? And air china does open their first class lounge at evening for normal star alliance gold passengers, but there is no different between first and business lounge, just open a second lounge when it’s crowded at day time

  • @aotearoa9547
    @aotearoa9547 24 дня назад

    I remember I went for a few runs round the terminal took keep warm when I went in march. Very cold….

  • @user-ym1mu1yt4d
    @user-ym1mu1yt4d 25 дней назад +5

    Please try out the chinese airlines (CZ and MU) to compare which ones the best

  • @tianyizhang2205
    @tianyizhang2205 25 дней назад +6

    That straw is for the yoghurt, one common way to have yoghurt in China.

  • @KMP
    @KMP 25 дней назад +17

    You're Visiting Korea quite often! Always Welcome in Seoul ICN, Seoul GMP

  • @noahmyg
    @noahmyg 25 дней назад +10

    i booked a flight from frankfurt to seoul via beijing on air china and then cancelled it the same day after seeing that there was an emirates flight available to seoul for only 70€ more. I couldn't get air china's app to work at all which was super frustrating and kind of gave me the vibe that they do not care about their international passengers at all, as this was apparently a problem people have been having for years

    • @huhuhuhu2470
      @huhuhuhu2470 22 дня назад

      Ek is not too much better than ca in economy, tbh.

    • @austinli8891
      @austinli8891 21 день назад

      @@huhuhuhu2470 I think emirates has a solid economy class

  • @AndrasMuller
    @AndrasMuller 21 день назад

    I had a more or less similar experience at PVG one year ago, except the heating was OK :D. We walked around the whole building to see if we find something, but except a little Starbucks, everything was closed and the passangers of our 747 were simply invisible in the vast emptiness. At least the kilometres of walking were good before the 13 hrs of flight to Frankfurt. I attribute this experience to an effect of the pandemic.

  • @kinqxx1
    @kinqxx1 25 дней назад +1

    Hey David/Simon/Felix,
    Great trip report here and I loved at the start they asked for "no kimchi in suitcases" . I would love to visit Vienna one day. It looks fantastic. Just saying that you should make a trip report/brutally honest video about United's 787 flight from Brisbane, AUS ----> San Francisco, USA, or potentially Air Canada's Brisbane, AUS ----> Vancouver, CA (Canada). Anyways, thanks again for your tripreport today. Watching from Brisbane, AUS (😝) since 2017 :)

  • @MadeByLucca
    @MadeByLucca 25 дней назад +2

    You need to try China Eastern A350 Business Class, Its so good!

  • @ryanfrisby7389
    @ryanfrisby7389 25 дней назад

    Fantastic trip report as always David!😸

  • @borninhk1
    @borninhk1 22 дня назад

    How are their business class fares for the routes you've mentioned?

  • @tehblizz
    @tehblizz 25 дней назад

    I had the same exact experience of the Beijing Capital airport back in September, super weird!

  • @eustices
    @eustices 23 дня назад

    Funny enough, I agree, the Air China lounge is nice, but yes, When I transited through Beijin back in 2019, it was freezing then as well.

  • @Chris-zx8xh
    @Chris-zx8xh 17 дней назад

    I recently flew Munich - Shanghai (A350) with Air China, and on the return journey SHA - PEK - MUC (B777). Got a very competitive deal at EUR 600 round trip and I was very positively surprised. This is def not the same airline that I recall from my childhood memory (I usually fly with China Eastern). Some points to share/confirm:
    - MUC-PVG is very pleasant with a brand-new A350, great entertainment system and in-flight WiFi (again within firewall). Stewed beef was decent. Flight was loosely occupied so in some rows you can even lie down in economy.
    - PEK-MUC is a bit worse with an older plane. Transfer not as pleasant since domestic flights arrive at a different section and needed a LONG walk to the security check and then taking the terminal trains. Heard some European transit passengers complaining about the lack of access to the "outside" internet which is totally understandable. So, it might be excruciating for those who've got long transfer (however, you can get VPN ahead). Different entertainment system but feels worse.
    BTW, the straw is for the yoghurt because Chinese yoghurt is usually thinner than the European ones and is perceived more as a drink. I also helped my German seat neighbor to clear the confusion ;)

  • @themomentchannel3498
    @themomentchannel3498 18 дней назад +1

    Hi David, im quite curious to see how China Southern has changed since the last time you reviewed them (in 2018 when they were still a member of skyteam).

  • @stoneboy1446
    @stoneboy1446 25 дней назад

    Thank you!

  • @wj40014
    @wj40014 25 дней назад +2

    Flown with them domestic, the service was fine but the food was subpar

  • @kristoff_iee
    @kristoff_iee 22 дня назад

    TBH the low prices could also because they sets the standards in CNY. If you want to compare the price level in China and many western countries by converting the currency it would be super cheap already.

  • @well-blazeredman6187
    @well-blazeredman6187 25 дней назад +1

    Good review. Bonus-point for the hot water-bottle action.

  • @stsh
    @stsh 25 дней назад

    Hello, straws are provided with yogurt in China because people drink their yogurt instead of using a spoon. That's usually because yogurt in China is more watery due to it not being fermented for as long

  • @Er_Guille
    @Er_Guille 25 дней назад

    Not exhaustingly long by any means and quite entertaining; at least for me. Thank you for another excellent review.

  • @wotajared
    @wotajared 25 дней назад +1

    Fantastic review. I noticed Air China flying the shortest route to Asia and their prices, together with the possibility of a long layover to explore the city!
    I have a planned trip to SE Asia this year, but my end city is a bit off ways requiring an extra leg of a trip vs. an ME3 airline but I do want to take them with such low fare to South Korea or Japan... that together with a 18-24h layover that allows a quick visit of Beijing or the Great wall.

  • @ultrametric9317
    @ultrametric9317 22 дня назад

    That was really well done!

  • @di-li7bm
    @di-li7bm 25 дней назад +1

    The airport sounds like quite typical for China (not just air travel) - very big and shiny terminal on the outside, but weird usability problems inside, such as even basic restaurants being closed and the temperature. Probably also true for the Middle East, lots of bling blang but then weirdly overlooked practical details. Places like Japan are the opposite...

  • @maximusate8951
    @maximusate8951 25 дней назад +1

    6:14 interesting feature of the ARJ-21

  • @romualdojoven8992
    @romualdojoven8992 25 дней назад +1

    Very informative review ❤❤❤

  • @Anolaana
    @Anolaana 25 дней назад +6

    2:55 Your Kimchi free suitcase lol! Looking forward to this video.

  • @vitasoy1437
    @vitasoy1437 18 дней назад

    That straw was likely for the yogurt.😊
    T3 was pretty chilling when I transferres through it in Dec 2019. The terminal is huge and weather could be cold, and it is amazing they didn't put this into consideration when building it? Hope they could make improvements. The infrastructure was nice when I visjted, but services from airport staff and immigration were inconsistent.
    One of the airport staff literally screamed at us passengers to tell us to queue a certain way (louder doesn't make it easier to be understood 😅), and an immigration officer telling us anyone less than 12 hours transit time will not be processed for their visa free entry which almost killed me coz I picked a 7 hour layover to dl a quick visit in the city.

  • @woutergijs5246
    @woutergijs5246 25 дней назад

    Just checked the flights from Paris: still with the B-777 and no premium economy. I keep it in mind to check their A-350 premium economy destinations

  • @LACFL4125
    @LACFL4125 25 дней назад +2

    22:34 Cup Of Tea And Apple Juice , And No Orange Juice 😊🍎🍹

  • @user-hv4bm9yn7p
    @user-hv4bm9yn7p 25 дней назад

    As you booked a flight to Taiwan, is a Starlux video coming out?

  • @loafofbread9099
    @loafofbread9099 25 дней назад

    So I really missed air china and thanks for the trip review

  • @spectre3365
    @spectre3365 25 дней назад +5

    Chinese carriers have come a long way and are quite good now. Although catering and IFE are still subpar.
    Have only flown with CZ and MU and service was excellent, crew were very accomodating and polite. Legroom is much more spacious compared to others, even their domestic 'LCC' provides free water and have FSC-esque legroom.
    Would fly with them long haul if the fare is reasonable!

  • @chm0225
    @chm0225 25 дней назад

    I suspect the airport doesn't have a decent ventilation system. Last summer I was having a transfer from Hong Kong to a Chinese city via PEK, and the boarding bridge for my inbound flight felt like a greenhouse with no A/C whatsoever... It wasn't much better in the main concourse either...

  • @jessster27
    @jessster27 20 дней назад

    Looking forward for more reviews like this❤

  • @4evertrue830
    @4evertrue830 24 дня назад

    Most, if not all airlines in china are state owned. That may be the reason why air tickets of these airlines are cheaply affordable. It will be in china's good interest if some, but not all are partially privatised. 😊

  • @interstellaraviator6437
    @interstellaraviator6437 5 дней назад

    Air China is actually a great airline. Took a flight with them in March, for 380EUR return to Taipei from Milan. Cannot wish better experience for that money. I had the best sleep on planes ever in their A350. The only issue is their very outdated website and not the best quality of food on from MXP. PEK airport is quite modern, but in my cause it took about 70 minutes to make all the transit formalities.

  • @ssff2544
    @ssff2544 17 дней назад

    First time flying to London from Auckland with Air China soon (Cheapest ticket available), if it works out well, I’ll fly them again ❤

  • @enderbeam8089
    @enderbeam8089 25 дней назад +2

    What a review!!

  • @zandersmiranda9256
    @zandersmiranda9256 25 дней назад

    So explain how cheap it is if it's only a returned flight or one-way. Wouldn't you need to go back home eventually and whose to say prices will be the same low price when you purchased it. Total the combined and exactly how much the savings compared to a round-trip fare. I just don't see why purchase a return flight only?

    • @woutergijs5246
      @woutergijs5246 25 дней назад

      For all Chinese carriers flying to Europe “ general rule”: economy 200-300€ cheaper; premium economy 400€, business 500-1000€

  • @itz_oregano
    @itz_oregano 25 дней назад +3

    hello! the straw with the meal is probably for the yoghurt!

  • @AaronJiju64
    @AaronJiju64 25 дней назад +1

    Comparing this to your a330 air china flight makes this a350 flight look like Emirates quality

  • @winterbalm
    @winterbalm 17 дней назад

    I transited through the Beijing Capital International Airport's Terminal 3 several times since 2012 and the issues you mentioned were always there
    Cold temperature during winter
    No food/coffee/tea options available except a single Starbucks stand during night time
    Very big and empty terminal, which felt a bit depressing
    Dim lighting, also depressing

  • @falafelman9297
    @falafelman9297 25 дней назад

    i will have a 15h transit at bejing. will i be allowed to leave the airport and do some sightseeing?

    • @woutergijs5246
      @woutergijs5246 25 дней назад

      Yes. And probably a free hotel room as well , but taxi at your own cost

    • @falafelman9297
      @falafelman9297 25 дней назад

      @@woutergijs5246 how do I organize that? Directly with air China? I already have the flight booked

    • @woutergijs5246
      @woutergijs5246 25 дней назад

      @@falafelman9297I don’t know your details. Check the airline and youtube

    • @dragon32210
      @dragon32210 24 дня назад

      Of course depends on your country of citizenship

  • @b.t.356
    @b.t.356 5 дней назад

    I feel happy knowing that this trip with Air China was a big improvement over the 2019 one

  • @VaultRaider
    @VaultRaider 25 дней назад

    8:22 whats the significance of the 2 peas?

  • @AmericanAvgeek
    @AmericanAvgeek 25 дней назад +2

    ive been on united’s 777-300er SFO-PEK and PEK-SFO and i feel like they got a lot worse

    • @duaneowens7777
      @duaneowens7777 23 дня назад

      Yeah united is having issues. Recline is horrific

  • @ridgeguyatSOK
    @ridgeguyatSOK 25 дней назад +4

    Haha David watching Gaki no Tsukai in the Beijing lounge

  • @rezaalan3991
    @rezaalan3991 24 дня назад

    Great flight and review.