@Timothy McCaskey Indeed, the best government for me would be the sofocracy, despite being simple if the science politics were based on that, we could have a MUCH better government
the pro of democracy is there is a vote. And the con is everyone votes. The difference is big my friend mankind are social being the minority thing and decide the rest follows
I saw very uneducated people having more wisdom and consciousness than they so called “upper class” of society. Democracy is a state of well being of all humans, independent of their education. It’s arrogance that block’s our evolution!
Power for the ruling class ? Call that pyramids, or ponzie scheme, but get to understand that their interests go against all people by maintaining divisions, enhancing fractures between us all. Our blood is red, we can all become parents so that our children make the future. Raising us like sheep is their guaranty that no rule can be trialed by civilian societies. Earth Truth and Love are humankind's only common values quests treasures jewels sense interest. Referendum by civilian initiative to govern us all together define state missions and trial bad decisions and malevolent intentions.
Did my thesis on this at uni: when socrates was sentenced to death, it was done so under the expectation that he would flee the city. this was common practice, and after some time, his allies in the city would have been able to quash the judgement and secure his safe return to the city. but by accepting his death sentence he chose to give the middle finger to democracy, choosing death simply to prove the validity of his argument.
@@fourfundamentals210 I did it ten years ago so i dont have it saved anywhere! General gist was talking about the susceptability and toxicity of moral panics within democratic systems. I compared it to the Mccarthy Trials in the US as a 20th century example of how history repeats itself in this regard. Plato, who was a student of Socrates and has written most of what we know about him, would go on to write one of the most influential books in human history: The Republic, and he did it using a fictional Socrates talking to random Athenians to articulate his arguments. Its not only a nice homage to his teacher but also shows how Athens went on to regret its action over Socrates, since Plato went on to be so revered in the city he would found an academy in the city that would survive hundreds of years
The problem with democracy is the vote of non-thinking people who sleepwalk through life counts exactly the same as those voters who think deeply and carefully about the issues and candidates. Since non-thinkers will always vastly outnumber the Thinkers, the results are predictable 😑
Democracy is good when the public is educated and aware. That requires a good public education system. America’s education system is very poor, so people make poor choices.
@@alice_in_wonderland42 Like the video said, people who are allowed to vote but uneducated will only be tricked and fooled choosing the corrupted before the one that can change and save the country
Yes and in this way it motivates the system and the knowledgable people to spread the knowledge so that ignorance is reduced. Because this is the solution if the ignorance gets same weight. The other solution would be to give greater weight to the knowledgable but you increase their power and reduce even more the power deficit of the ignorant ( who already have some lack due to ignorance) and also you motivate increase of the gap by increasing the power of knowdgeable and lessen the power of the ignorant.
@@innosanto That used to work, but today spreading ignorance has never been easier. The knowledgeable are far outnumbered and easily drowned out. We live in a time where a single well-funded hit piece is enough to refute hundreds of independently researched, peer-reviewed articles. It also doesn't help when your elected Sweet Shop Owner (and his political party) constantly denigrates intellectual institutions for the sole purpose of keeping the poorly educated easily manipulated.
innosanto you present it like if it’s a bad thing to further reduce the power of ignorant people that way. Why? You know, the way democracy functions now is the way to keep everyone quiet and a little bit satisfied. I don’t think that leads to an optimal result for humanity.
I hate democracy because it has created leaders whom follow the tide. One minute they're going one way, the next they're headed in the opposite direction. FOH
Spoil Something large group of stupid people can destroy everything around them but can’t solve a problem. Majority of the people must be controlled by minor intellectual group.
Huseyn Hasanov majority of people controlled by small group of intellectuals was called soviet union, turns out 10000 of the smartest (maybe) people in that country could not manage what hundreds of millions did naturally in their daily lives before, eonomic productivity, and because of that failure they collapsed. If you can design a system that has such little power that a group of autocrats can run it, and not overtake freedoms of the governed, well wed be in 1808 or something such.
Goth Floss Josh Soviet Union collapsed because of the wrong economical ideology. The economy of the world depends on the Capitalism and only better ideology can replace it. The Soviet Union was controlled by dictators, not a small group of smartest people. Also majority of the people just eat, drink, work and sleep. They live like an ant. All of them must work on their own department because they are mastered on their own speciality not on politics and management of country.
Huseyn Hasanov My point was you cant sum down all of life to a few intelligent people at the top, and about your point about dictators, there were countless bureaucracies with heads of those but all worked towards the same vision of killing or imprisoning opposition and maintaining power through fear. Ministry of entertainment, Ministry of organization, countless ministries, with their own heads. The head of state was simply the most powerful among them, it isn't like his power wasn't divided amongst his own government. Majority of people being economically productive leads to shit like us arguing with iPhones over RUclips. Imagine saying that sentence 20 years ago. No one would have a fucking clue. A small group of intellectuals might have quite literally made both RUclips and the iPhone, but the entire market and it's incentives were where it took place, and the market contains every human who participates in it.
@@immaculatesquid If leaders are using the fear, they are bad leaders that who uses religion, political ideology and etc. The intellectuals who controls the country must choose the best decisions for the future of everyone but you can't make everybody happy and give them comfortable life. As I understand you also say that some intellectuals should work on the development of technology and etc. I totally agree with this argument. Intellectual should work on different departments.
We should lead the WORLD by scientists, or better, an omniscient AI. Everything should be decidet to the best of everyone and the rise of humanity itself, regardeless of the opinion of the people, which think, that many good things or ideas are bad. The humanity is now like a toddler, we need radical changes to grow to a wise adult. To the public, many of those changes are apparently nonesense, horrific, dumb or just bad. That leads us to the current situation. Politics is an ongoing fight for staying on the top, therefore politicains DON'T ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT ANYTHING, which is not directly affecting thmselfes, the ONLY REASON politicians seem to care is because they don't want to lose public sopport or even cause a scandal led by the peak of mount stupid (Dunning Kruger effect). Of course this system gives us basic rights, we should be glad of having, because nearly everyone agrees in having freedom of speech, freedom of movement , human rights, press freedom and so on. But the biggest flaw of this whole system is the reliance of nearly any big, important decission on the collective approval of a majority of the public, which usually has no idea of nearly anything, especially something that complicated to make REAL changes. Therefore the public gets it wrong very often, which leads to the fear of losing the next election, because of a public outcry, even though of making a good decission. And therefore they make bad decissions, which the gerneral public thinks are good, just to stay on the top. Really bad problems can't be solved like that. The reason why we have different jobs is, that everybody makes that, what he can do best. Sadly politics dosn't work like that. Everyone can make decissions, wheather they should or shouldn't.
@@aidasmatulaitis5175 It's not just the education system. It's accessibility. You can't expect people to "educate themselves" when important material is out of reach. This is especially true in run down nations where there is little to no reading material.
@@olchat2012 yes, I think the title was history of Real Bible Believers, when Satan covered up all faces of possibilities (Conscience, Science, School, Government etc.) for us not to be saved.
@Imperialismo Pagano My bad then, did sophocracy or aristocracy have ever been applied as a government system or is applied anywhere rn? If so, why do you think it isn't adopted more? What flaws does it have?
In Plato's The Republic he says that the Academy should not teach people what to think, but rather how to think. Schools today teach rote learning, not critical thinking skills.
It is basically an average where each element's contribution is weighted. Your normal average is in fact a weighted average where all weights are equal. So it is a generalization of normal averages. The weights can also be called factors, coefficients, parameters or simply "multiplicity", as is, a vote of weight 2 counts as 2 votes.
Fun fact: Socrates was actually given a choice between death and exile after his trial. King among men, he refused to go and chose death, for "Unexamined life is not worth living". To him speaking his mind, seeking truth through heuristics and dialogue were central to his life, his love of philosophy and of his city. On another note, he was also noted to be a brave and resilient fighter during war time and had absolutely no philosophical quandary fighting to protect his city. Think of that. A marvel of a man. One of the greatest minds ever. A committed citizen-soldier. Killed for "corrupting the youth". The mind boggles...
Socrates was right, democracy is nothing but poison and tool used by terrorist government to further thier agenda, just look what USA "democracy" have done to Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, nobody wanted their democracy but they forcefully used as tool to steal oil.
Democracy ironicqlly always fears the truth because it corrupts "the next generation". Why do you think the DNC tried to squash Bernie in 2016? Because yes we believe in freedom but no we dont want to change the system drastically even tho its possible in a democratic system
@@sanketkumar8040 majority of people in olden days said earth is flat, only Galileo says it ia round. So by your implication, earth must be flat Because majority said so... If 99 % people say 1+1= 3 and only 1% says 1+1=2. Which one would be correct according to your logic?
@@badapjiedkylla1899 i agree with you i hate democracy. But the other ways of running the country can create chaos mass killing like in China . Even a revolt today in such countries can lead to very high destruction of that nation . I don't see any other way.
亗ApØLoGïSt FøR GØD亗 not for india though... There are just too many ignorant people... Democracy leads to big problems when it comes to a diverse country like india... The guys pitch in religion and the game of politics reaches another level
@Smoke’Em If ya Gott’em you're confusing the party with the people. People always align themselves in groupings whether it's political, religious, whatever. We gravitate to like minded people. The difference is in America, there is a shared national identity that helps the great melting pot be the best system ever created. Until corruption from people holding DIRECTLY OPPOSING ideology's of any kind, like (* and communism subvert the system from the inside. America isn't broken. The system is the best that's ever existed. The problem is and always will be people in general. NO MATTER TERM LIMITS, HOW MANY PARTY'S OR ANYTHING ELSE. CORRUPTIOIN AND SUBVERSION.
We should lead the WORLD by scientists, or better, an omniscient AI. Everything should be decidet to the best of everyone and the rise of humanity itself, regardeless of the opinion of the people, which think, that many good things or ideas are bad. The humanity is now like a toddler, we need radical changes to grow to a wise adult. To the public, many of those changes are apparently nonesense, horrific, dumb or just bad. That leads us to the current situation. Politics is an ongoing fight for staying on the top, therefore politicains DON'T ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT ANYTHING, which is not directly affecting thmselfes, the ONLY REASON politicians seem to care is because they don't want to lose public sopport or even cause a scandal led by the peak of mount stupid (Dunning Kruger effect). Of course this system gives us basic rights, we should be glad of having, because nearly everyone agrees in having freedom of speech, freedom of movement , human rights, press freedom and so on. But the biggest flaw of this whole system is the reliance of nearly any big, important decission on the collective approval of a majority of the public, which usually has no idea of nearly anything, especially something that complicated to make REAL changes. Therefore the public gets it wrong very often, which leads to the fear of losing the next election, because of a public outcry, even though of making a good decission. And therefore they make bad decissions, which the gerneral public thinks are good, just to stay on the top. Really bad problems can't be solved like that. The reason why we have different jobs is, that everybody makes that, what he can do best. Sadly politics dosn't work like that. Everyone can make decissions, wheather they should or shouldn't.
To be fair, Socrates was a teacher who was living in an era without public schooling. He’d have advocated for teaching political science at an early age in a democracy, which we do to a very minimal level in us history/social studies.
And for decades now, politics have been baked deeply into the public school system. The education bureaucracy seeks only to justify its own existence and salaries while churning out state-loving automatons rather than robust independent humans.
Education is only as good as its students. Most people just dont want to learn. Most people just want to live and have fun (especially at the age we teach them). If we had life long schooling (from 10 to 90) then maybe it would work.
A funny quote, but technically then, that would be the MEDIAN person, not the average. It also assumes that there is an equal number of people above and below that line. Sadly, more than half the population is likely stupider than that, as those above the line include many higher (but not outlying) numbers that offset the average further per capita. Just sayin.
@@ethanwilliams1880TECHNICALLY, median is a form of average, and since the original commenter did not explicitly say mean (which is what I believe you are referring to), then you could interpret this as the median
@@ethanwilliams1880If the difference above and below average are equal, median and average are also equal. Pretty sure median IQ is equal to average IQ.
@@Rsconquestmedian IQ is not always equal to average IQ.(for a group, on world scale your statement is indeed correct. However in this context we are talking about a country, which is just a group and not the world total) For example, if five people have IQs- 80, 69, 100, 150 ,175 Then the median is 100 But the average is 114.8
"Plagarism is the sincerest form of flattery," so it is said. It follows that the converse would be "Incorrect plagarism is the most insincere form of flattery."
Who actually "picks" them? It ain't the average voter! They're given two choices by the systems of bureaucracy within the two major parties, of which are funded and controlled by oligarchs who work to protect the status quo and give the false impression of choice.
If intellectualism is the argument against widespread democracy, then the answer is clear. Make sure every citizen is well-educated in the ways of democracy, & not ignorant of it...!!! Start with proper funding of a quality public education system. Otherwise, we'll end up with a deplorable, wannabe dictator, with 91 criminal indictments, who says he "loves the poorly educated" because they're easy to manipulate.
@@Hjh826"it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." This one is correct and has different meaning.
@@GiorgiTch937 meaning is the same and I couldn't remember the exact quote so I paraphrased. At the end of the day the quote still means "democracy has many flaws but it is the best option we have at the minute"
Well, I suppose he was against the way democracy has been implemented, that is the ability for all to vote with not enough safeguards to minimize uninformed voting. But yeah, pretty much what you said lol.
OK but is it worse than the corrupt high information voters? I agree with rhe ship analogy but what is the solution? Should political science be mabadory in public schools? How do we property educate the masses and who is in charge of carriculum.
This explains why politics is about how well you present yourself to the public (even by lying) rather than how good your project actually is. It also explains why celebrities are more appreciated than scientists and philosophers.
exactly why Caitlyn Jenner is a great possibility for being elected in California. because of her unprecedented qualifications of: 1 being a celebrity 2 being a woman with a dong....
Is celebrity a measure of character? All I know the former and the latter are people and people are flawed. Don't worry, no one cares! Take the shot, left or right arm, it's for your safety. We are the scientists and philosophers, we know what is best!
And who decides who is educated or not? There is much to be learned outside of schools as well. In many cases it avoids indoctrination. Just because the masses are stupid doesn't mean anyone has the right to silence them.
Truth is most people are stupid, but we all like to think we are not part of that group. In most cases its idiots fighting other idiots, and both think they are right.
I AM SMART because I DO NOT VOTE! I have no idea what they stand for because I have yet to educate myself about politics. So, I have all the right to claim I do not belong to the sheep.
That is true...it does not work because idiots vote. If voting is done by intelligent minority it would came to our understanding that voting foes not work. All politicians are just corporate and interest groups pawns.
@@kvarnerinfoTV The thing about modern democracy that there are many problems when it's comes to elections. Sometimes people just choose the minority group that chooses for us.
Oh Jesus. Twain didn't say or write this either. Here's a clue for the future. If you EVER see a quote attributed to someone, AND it doesn't cite where, when, etc that the quote was made, it is most likely incorrect and/or misattributed.
However, something doesn't add up in this video. In Ancient Greece only a very small portion of the population got to vote. For starters, slaves could not vote, and they were above 50% of all people in Greece. Women also couldn't vote, and check this out, uneducated people also could not vote, only male adults who had gone through citzenship education could vote.
When I brought up this point in front of one of my 8th grade teachers, in a group discussion, he shamed me in front of the class. Wish I had known Sokrates brought up the same point. I wasn't allowed to think this.
Trust in Dog assuming you live in the United States, I’m just assuming based off your experience with your teacher, it’s not even a democracy it’s a republic. That’s why the pledge of allegiance says “and to the republic for which it stands”
@@mariedemers9839 However, Socrates' argument still holds true because American representatives' decisions and policies are crafted to align with the opinions of their constituents.
Its ridiculous the reaction people have if you speak against democracy. Its become completely sacred, almost a religion, whilst its clearly failing in some areas due to the problems Socrates predicted. Democray has only ever lasted a relatively short time when its been used before and its arrogant for people to think it will automatially survive eternally now, or that the system could not be improved by introducing more meritocacy.
There's another problem. Before we can vote, for better or worse, the candidates we can vote are limited. In most cases the doctor can't even participate in the election.
That definitely is the case in the US (and the UK and also countries like Russia) but in countries where democracy isn't structurally flawed (I'd argue in the Netherlands where I'm from), the candysellerproblem definitely exists too.
- ❗️PLEASE READ ALL❗️👍✌️You may be surprised to hear that the word “Democracy” does not appear in the Declaration Of Independence or the US Constitution, or in any of the Constitutions of the 50 states. The founding fathers did everything that they could to keep us from having a democracy. James Madison in the federalist papers said, “ democracy’s have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security, or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in there lives, as they have been violent in there deaths.” Alexander Hamilton said...” real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of democracy.” The founders had good reason to look upon democracy with contempt. Because, they Knew of the democracy’s produced in the early Greek city states where in every case they ended up with mob rule then anarchy and then tyranny under an oligarchy. During that period in Greece there was a man who urged creation of a fixed body of law not subject to the majority whims. The Romans adopted that man ideas, in which they created the 12 tables of the Roman law and in affect built a Republic that limited government power and left the people alone. Rome became wealthy and the envy of the word. However, it’s people forgot that “the essence of freedom is the proper limitations of government”. Once the Romans dropped there guard, power seeking politicians began to exceed the powers granted them in the Roman constitution. Some learned that they could elect politicians who would use government power to take property from some and give it to others. Benjamin Franklin said, “ When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of our republic.” Agriculture subsidies were introduced, followed by housing and welfare programs. Inevitably taxes rose and Controls over the private sector were imposed. Soon a number of Rome’s producers could no longer make ends meet. Productivity declined, shortages developed and mobs began roaming the streets demand bread and other things from the government. However, there was no food to give since producers stoped producing .Many were induced to trade freedom for security. Eventually the whole system came crashing down.They went from a republic to a democracy and ended up with an oligarchy under the progression of the Caesars. There are really only two true forms of government, Oligarchy, and a Republic. Monarchy doesn’t exist in the practical sense in which it’s always a group that puts one of its members up front.(oligarchy is the most popular form of government in history!). Anarchy doesn’t exist because it’s just a transition, like like a vacuum, in which it brings in an oligarchy. Democray come from (demos Kratein) which means people rule; which mean MAJORITY RULE. As I already stated Democracy doesn’t really exist because it always goes from mob rule to anarchy and finally tyranny under an oligarchy. The word Republic however, comes from the Latin words , (res) meaning THING and (Publica) meaning PUBLIC. It means the public thing, THE LAW!. The key is in preventing a republic from getting to a mob ruled democracy, like what happens in the Roman Republic. The United States Republic is following the same fate as the Roman Republic. The only two true forms of government are , an Oligarchy and a Republic. When Benjamin Franklin exited the Constitutional Convention he was asked by a woman, “ sire, have you given us a monarchy(oligarchy) or a Republic.?” Benjamin Franklin answered, “A Republic ma’am, if you can keep it.”
i wonder if republicans think thats what they represent still (a republic). as far as i remember from what i learned, republicans and democrats used to be vice versa to what they are now. thus the trouble with words.
Where else have I heard that name? Oh yeah Muslims fabricated a Quote (Reference) and a Book (which doesn't exist) claiming he spoke good of Muhammad and Islam: Many of them still believe it is true.
Actually you are right and wrong at the same time. In democracy citizens are fooled not because they are retarded but simply because the democrats do it in a smart ways. People who want to have freedom of speech like opressed people or gay people will love democracy because it lets them be who they are without consequences but on the other side its the democrats who still decides their fates so whenever they decide to give u freedom u get it and if they decide not to you will not have it
For a functioning Democracy, Education of Electorate (Vote casting people, 18 yrs n old. College students are most ideal candidates) is must. - Thomas Jefferson
johan qian ah I believe your opinion might be rooted in the old capitalist/fascist “human nature” fallacy. Humans are a product of their environment, we are not born “good” or “evil”, we are blank slates.
Shit Storm yes I do. “Fascism” is defined as “the merging of state and private power” (to consolidate power and gain control over a given society). In other words the inevitable conclusion of capitalism, as evidenced by casually observing any capitalist economic system since 2500BC (when capitalism/private ownership was invented). P.S Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information when it comes to sensitive subjects like this (I’m assuming you read a false pseudo-definition on there)
Why in schools dont teach basic politics? How populism works, what is socialist, far right, far left , polity ect. Average citizen just vote what sounds good.
@@roshnikarai2555 Well the question is what is the alternative... Who will these so called "specialists" be when it comes politics? Most politicians are rotten anyway. You think having politicians voted by politicians instead of the people will make things better? Politics are corruptible in it's nature no matter what system you use.
@@Yourebeautyfull i liked your comment but still I do have an opinion of the fact that there might be some option of corrections. Tried and experiences of practicing democracy have given us some flaws among many goods. Despite of having pro Democratic ideology i should be optimistic as there are lots of democratically elected leaders who are optioned just for their name and not for the ideas they hold. They turns to autocratic way of functioning.
@@Yourebeautyfull that's one intriguing point, because how do you choose who has a say in the governance then as you mentioned Men are corruptable. The senate system didn't work for Roman Republic and Monarchy/ Dictatorship is just not an option, everything comes down to French Revolution how every for of governance failed there and as the time goes on we see cracks in Democracy. The question is really complex and there isn't an answer
@@Clos_Goldstienburg-III speaking of star wars. best line ever. - This is how liberty dies... to thunderous applause. They voted themselves into tyranny
Let's turn that around on the constitutional republic. Then the electoral college is one wolf with 3 votes and 2 sheep with 1 vote discussing what to have for dinner right? Either way loser claims tyranny of majority or tyranny of minority.
@@chrisc5560 Yeah, but a single Wisconsin voter is more than ten times as worth as a Texan, New Yorker or Californian's vote and this isn't an anecdotal exception, it's the rule with many small states holding, proportionally, more significance with the arbitrary number of electoral college votes the states have. And the big states currently are as good as secure. Thus resulting in occasions where the populous vote does not have a majority but the state votes do. And it is what it is, populous democracy republic is feared to become a "chaotic tyrannic mobocracy" but on this scale of 327 million people a republic with an electoral college(mind you next to 0 other actual republics use the electoral college to elect a president/prime minister, most use populous vote) can be complained to have "tyranny of the large minority" too.
Socrates: democracy won't work if you don't educate voters first Comments in this video: so democracy bad Socrates: no, educate people into having common sense before letting them vote Comments: so democracy... bad
@PALLAB BISWAS - it's interesting - that I usually get feedback - the more I throw a good (vague)metaphor\aphorism etc; and not when I explain things. But this is the problem with the human mind; it naturally cannot grasp the truth. The truth is mathematical; but people want it to be: emotionally pleasing, flattering their ego etc. Anyway - to answer your question ― I found & wrote "the theory of everything"; and don't let the name fool you ― it's actually a theorem (certainly true). The simplest way to state the difference between it and the countless ideas that people invented ― is just that - that it wasn't invented; IOW - I didn't jump to conclusions; I deduced every step - by pure logic. In fact - the way it's written ― every statement is all the following in-one: statement(which says the thing; like in WikiPedia), the definition, the explanation, the proof etc. To answer your question directly ― the most basic thing which sets merit ― is logic. I can't explain much in this comment section; but to put it simply ― it is equivalent to the whole-number-line; in the progress - we actually go from a big number (of complexity) ― to the beginning; and number 1 - is the origin of all the next numbers, it's indivisible ― thus containing all the aspects; thus both: generation & the property(generated). (hint ― it solves the pseudo-paradox - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_the_creator_of_God) I don't know how my explanation is perceived, and whether understood... but in this FaceBook-group "Meritocracy high equilibrium" facebook.com/groups/176612696614548/; there are links to better explanations. And join the group, of course!
Gnos Is Tbh A meritocracy does sound good but the same question arises who will decide the merit? and there’s always a chance it will lead to an oligarchy.
Gnos Is The main problem is that we humans are literally vying for power every step of the way. We’re greedy and selfish. We want authority and Control. If only all people were perfect then democracy would’ve been the best form of government but alas that is not the case.
This is exactly my problem with democracy. I live in Australia and our politicians are like children plus majority of the population doesn’t know what they want for themselves let alone who to vote for the countries leader and why. Basically everybody hates talking about politics.
Well, that doesn't seem to have done a whole lot to worsen conditions in Australia, considering it's still one of the wealthiest and most advanced nations in the world.
@@HeortirtheWoodwarden purely because we sell huge quantities of raw earth materials to China. Give us 100 years and we will be a third world country alongside America.
@@LeviKerrison Wealth is not about resources. If it was the DRC wouldn't be one of the most miserable places to live in the world. It's about culture, about institutions, about free markets, stability, wise policy, investment, education, among other things.
@@HeortirtheWoodwarden dude you are off your head to think it’s not about resources. 2. We charge huge fees for immigration and 3. We charge huge sums of money for international students to attend you Universities. Yea we have it good now, but everyone is lazy and complacent, this only goes in one direction. We are wealthy because of raw earth exports and international investment in natural resources. That’s it.
My grandfather told me how people can become so stupid. There was a very good doctor in my grandfather's village. He was also very kind, and he always treated the poor without have to pay and have done lots of social work for that village. So, people started asking him to run for Election, and after some time he finally did. Seeing his popularity, his opponents made a plan.They started gossiping: "Hey, if the doctor is elected, he will not have time for your treatment, then what will you do? So the foolish, greedy villagers voted against the doctor.
He's right tho. The doctor best role is being a doctor, not a talker. The problem is when society appreciate the talker more, aka pay them more. It's not the political ideal that decide how good that country is for me. It's how much they pay their teacher. Corrupt people can corrupt every single form of government out there.
@whitecrow20XX the doctor was not only good in skill, but also in conduct. that's why he was loved in the first place. he was literally giving free healthcare.
They were not being greedy, though. They were simply being logical. The other candidates were right, if he won the election, there probably wouldn't have been another doctor that could live up to him.
Sooo many walking about wit heads full ov useless rubbish ..! J.D Rockefella said 'He does'nt want a country (planet) full of thinkers... He wants them to become half conscious slave workers'.
If people were exposed to Socrates early on I think the world would be a very very different place. Who could be a better teacher than the inventor of logic, philosophy, morality and ethics? There is a lot of absurdity in the world right now
@@nixtoshi There are Morbid Heretics that have been about for awhile now.. that have power, and deem that men like him.. Plato and others.. are dreaming clowns and there word holds no power. Because it is always easier to take the easy path and wait for a Wise Prophet to come along, and discredit them... than what it is to go and path your own road, and hang off the Coat Tales of them. The schooling system does'nt want wise people... it wants lost sheep. So yes you are completely right !
“Democracy is only ever as effective as the education system that surrounds it.” This is why the US is in such upheaval nowadays. The education system doesn’t promote free thinking. It teaches you what the people in charge think you should know.
Most school systems in any modern country don’t tend to be a free thinking. The modern school system in most modern societies was based off the Prussian model which had the goal of producing loyal soldiers
@@hs5312 "Discipline and Efficiency" Well, education system is not actually education system. It basically just inputs stuff to the children by the government. It's just manipulation system
my question is ,if education is the way to decide that one should vote then what will happen to the people who have street smartness, people who have experienced the real world and know more about it rather than some graduate who has no idea about the real world. isn't that wasting votes??????
The definition of stupid can change based on the whims of each individual; then if a law were to be made saying a set group of people were unqualified based on factors they may not be able to change ever, then those people get orchestrated and slowly dehumanised. Better idea: just give the best education possible to all and hope for the best; or invent mind control and give the reins over to the most morally stable people.
Any human-based ruling system will be afflicted by these factors. That's just science. Is the missing point here not that societies must advance and promote education as a priority to help ensure national interests are best served?
May be there should be test conducted which signifies how much person knows about politics and leaders and something like that & people who qualifies them should be consider for vote.
@@roh9934 How would such a test look like in practice? With such tests, you are always in danger of injecting ideology. When for example religious fanatics create and review the test, they can design it in such a way that only people who agree that a theocracy is the right thing are allowed to vote. Or do you simply have to show that you know who the current leaders are and what the positions are each party stands for? Even this would be hard to do. Parties often have pages after pages of their positions before an election. Do potential voters have to know each point for each party? Here in Germany, we could vote for more than 40 different parties. That would mean such a huge time investment that only people with a lot of spare time would be allowed to vote. A country ruled by retired people and people who are rich not due to their own work (because an entrepreneur would not have enough time with all his work running the business) but maybe sold their company already and live off that money or even just inherited it? Or people who do not work at all and live off welfare? Or savants with perfect memories? But simply knowing something by heart does not equal understanding, does it? Or is it enough to be able to tell the basic ideas so that you do not have to learn by heart every party's program? But this opens it up for ideological influence again. Or will you limit the number of allowed candidates/ parties? What else do you need to know about the system? And again, do you simply have to know the stuff by heart? Those tests might sound good in theory but the real question one has to answer is how exactly it should look like.
@@nomichaudary92 Not really, at least not in a feasible way. He outlines in length what the philosophers should know and how they should be to be considered for the education process and what they should learn but the fundamental problem who decides is not solved at all. The process is described in a very passive way and focused on the students without mentioning the teachers. The only thing he offers is for philosophers to take over a city and send everybody who is too old to be indoctrinated away. This is something that would not work in practice. And it would still not solve the problem of the first philosopher king necessary. There were lots of rulers who thought their ideas would be the ones to improve everything. That is in fact the difference between totalitarians and mere autocrats. For ordinary despots it is enough that you obey, what you think doesn't really matter. Totalitarians want to change how people think. So one might search for a Plato but end up with a Hitler, Stalin or Mao instead. Honestly, I would not have assumed that people proposing something likes this would want to do it exactly like Plato wrote. He wanted to force people who to breed with for example. And don't forget that Plato just talks about a city and starts from a less complex system (and I would argue even that was already too complex to just do what he proposes and basically throw most of the population out). And I strongly oppose that his ideas would be more moral which was his whole reason to start it in the first place. His writings are of a strong religious/mystic nature. So we have to ask those who do propose something similar how they want to bring it about in the current state and what elements of his ideal they want to take. As I said I was assuming nobody would be foolish enough to take his writings as something that can be taken as a manual to transform a modern society and just as a basic input.
There's a new breed of doctors that won't be repelled even with two apples a day! Heck! Some say there's a new kind of doctors that are apple resistant altogether!!!!
I agree with Socrates, we need to get rid of these tricky politicians. We have the internet - people can be directly reflected. By the way, a governor is not supposed to "lead" a ship. They're supposed to be in charge of menial bureaucratic tasks like transit and zoning. If a people in an area don't want to live a certain way - or do - the idea is that a representative government doesn't force itself on the people as hard as a non-representative government, so they can live as they want. What government really is, from monarchies to today's reformulated form of "democracy", are the small group of the most powerful imposing their will over the world and it's peoples. All the actual good government does us as far as organization of our people goes, is easily automated by government workers. Us. This includes swaths of politicians - I'd hardly call them the ones in power. They're just as likely to be employed as you are - in fact more likely, it takes a lot of money to become a successful politician.
@@dialatedmcd So you think people are not misled by rumors on the internet? The media by which people get information is not the issue. The issue is most people don't use their brain and get misled easily.
Are just men ,not perfect like all humans you might have problems with omnipotence and perfectionism.let god be perfect we re not we just need to improve for better
Tori Nguyen An intellectual democracy - assuming it refers only to educated people having the vote - is incredibly snobbish though. Particularly as it's often more well off members of the population who are better educated. There's also the risk of people being labelled as unintelligent or ignorant for not holding 'approved' views.
Comoroo We need a new set up completely for an "intellectual" democracy because too many of the general public are stupid as fuck, liberal, greedy, uneducated, and completely lack any concept of foreign and domestic politics which EFFECT US.
I have dealt with clients who’ve graduated from Ivy League Universities like Harvard, Yale and Dartmouth. Whenever election season is upon us I tend to have long conversations about candidates, their records and policies. Those very educated voters often contradict themselves, have no idea about policies and get wrapped up in the personalities of the candidates. To be truly educated about voting you must care deeply about politics, the results of policies (homelessness, war, global warming, economic inequality etc) and benefits for the voters who need benefits. Educated is a relative term. You have to educate yourself
the point is, intelligence unfortunately doesn’t determine self-reflection. And without self-reflection people just vote according to their individual neuroticism.
Yes, it is really about how invested you are personally in the society, that is why the Founding Fathers required that anyone who could vote in America must also own land here.
@@alohi79 Not any constitutional republic - just the US. And they give guns to lambs, vultures and the wolf alike, allowing the wolf to get a tank and a grenade launcher too, if he wants to. I cant but wonder who among those is most likely to use his arms in non-self-defense ....
My experience with professors at MIT, Stanford, and the University of Michigan convinced me that no one can be truly objective, no matter how educated.
It is simply impossible for anyone to be truly objective. People have different values based on their upbringing and genetics. People who never starved would often value simple food below entertainment, but people scrambling for bread crumbs will put money and food above most other things. The fact that both of those people exist is the simply reality, and no, none is more correct than the other. People who were attacked personally will also value self-defense even tho it’s statistically unlikely in many places. This is why there still need to be a vote even if you educate people because it is impossible for any person to be completely correct.
Enlightened self interest. People who advocate for clean air only do so for their selfish interest of breathing clearly. There are other examples but this ties back to moral philosophy and what is the good? There is no such thing as good.
@@EstellammaSS It's better to have those who are close to correct having the vote than having someone who has no idea or is in the wrong have the vote. That is why republics exist and direct democracies do not.
@@lzsmashv2208 but wasn't he also defeated by democratic governments? "The tree if liberty mist be watered with blood" - Thomas Jefferson The freedom to fail is freedom too is it not?
@@tomraines6554 No he was defeated through military might and when you have 3 global superpowers against one small nation like Germany the results are predictable.
@Bobby Tawil - That's bullshit which you can't prove. Why are you repeating bullshit csa/kkk propaganda? You are repeating the propaganda of terrorist gangs.
@Thanos The FARMER that's why I go for the Chinese model. People can make hue and cry for human rights violations against PRC but at the end they have people centric government. One party system with minimum education qualification who elect representatives at the provisional and central level. And I think Socrates was talking about that same regime.
@Thanos The FARMER But we Indias can't see the rise of China. Money and muscle power go hand on hand in India and recommendation of ECI to decriminalise the politics are pending for last 10 years but BJP with its thumping majority don't want to make requisite amendments in RPA 1961. And today we can see in our society how much disgust and hatred is prevalent thanks to the current government. Roots of radicalism in India is due to sense of indignation you can take the example of recent Delhi roots which simply shows as a democratic polity where are moving. I am appalled by the politics played by BJP and simply stopped watching Indian media broadcasts.
@Thanos The FARMER it can never bro. Because social discontent is brewing and may be aggravated by the economic depression when millions of jobs will be lost and government will simply search a new religious scapegoat to sacrifice. Mr. Modi has done it so meticulously that people still can't believe it. Anyways nice talking to you bro because most of the time I only find Indians abusing each other on social media platforms for no reasons but political and people who take a logical stand are few.
@@SilentSpectator-hb2ul इस देश की जनता को intellectuals ने हज़ारो सालो तक गुलाम बना कर रखा है। चाहे वो मुसलमान अरबी intellectuals हो या फिर हिन्दू ब्राह्मण .... देश के बहुजन को सत्ता चाहिए , power चाहिए और resources चाहिये। democracy जैसा भी है side effects के साथ ठीक है भाईजान
I have something to ponder here. One argument that I have heard in favour of democracy is not that it makes for better rulers, but that the transition of rulers doesn't require a civil war. If everyone had voted, does that mean the transition from one ruler to another is less likely to be bloody?
@@gninja92 5 experienced people in economy or politology againts 95 unexperienced ? Just wanted to put slightly different angle, I don’t support oligarchy.
@@DeVanHelmoski A Republic is not far from democracy's problem either. Yes Dumb people will elect more skilled and educated people. But they elect to represent what they want. Dumb Greedy people will elect smarter people that promises to serve their greed. Let's look at the US for example, we know we need to get spending under control but that means we need to give up our greed. Smart people who know what's right such as cutting social security and Medicare to reduce spending will usually never get elected to make that change in Congress. Thats because Americans dont want to give it up because we are greedy and want "free" shit. Because of the way Americans think our Republican system will doom us once our debt gets high enough we go bankrupt, the dollar will crash and anarchy will engulf the US. Because America seems to get dumber and dumber our Democratic System will lead us to our eventual demise. The end of the American Republic is near.
@@funny_2017 Winston Churchill was a brilliant man in history and a genius leader. The millions of Indians that died in the Bengal famine under the British rule had to do with the fact that Britain was in world war 2 and he had to prioritize his country (that was being utterly destroyed by Germany) over anything else because he was battling Germany that was practically an empire. Moreover, Arthur Herman, author of Gandhi & Churchill, has argued that without Churchill the famine would have been worse. Once he was fully aware of the famine's extent, "Churchill and his cabinet sought every way to alleviate the suffering without undermining the war effort", Herman wrote.
I guess the problem with voting for specialists, is that the specialists are good at pretending they are specialists, while the true specialists get's pushed out of the system, because they are not likeable enough
@Rudiger Glique Biden stutters and he's still sharper than Trump. So much so that Trump has to resort to suggesting that Biden takes drugs to appear as lucid as he is. Meanwhile, Trump needs 2 hands to raise a glass of water, lol. Trump is toast! :)
@Rudiger Glique but I digress. "I love the uneducated." is something that Trump actually said, and it aligns perfectly with the content of this video. Socrates' theory that stupid people would propel a dangerous demagogue to leadership via democracy is on full display in modern America. Biden will be a major improvement. :)
socrates didnt hate democracy, he question its weakness. and people who profits from democracy's weakness were like "damn this man see it through, we must do something" edit: that's what i get from this video
He would bang a bunch of boys so they kicked him out. Then he couldn't survive on his own so he returned and was killed. Kind of a pathetic end for someone supposedly so smart
@@burritobrosvideos8060 what you said is absolute truth and i completely believe you without a doubt. if you want attention say something funny at least.
@D K lightning conducts ELECTRIC force. Air provides resistance to the electric force. This produces the heat that produces the "rapid air expansion" also known as CONCUSSIVE force. This also may strike a person and at close enough range even be deadly. At greater range the force is still sufficient to shake windows and more than sufficient to rattle the ear drums of those for many miles with their concussive strikes. Pedantic either way.
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Pro of democracy: everyone gets a vote
Con of democracy: everyone gets a vote
@Lee Ruan communism is cancer, you're a clown
@Timothy McCaskey Indeed, the best government for me would be the sofocracy, despite being simple if the science politics were based on that, we could have a MUCH better government
the pro of democracy is there is a vote. And the con is everyone votes. The difference is big my friend mankind are social being the minority thing and decide the rest follows
@@ADUAquascaping Indeed socialism is better
@@ADUAquascaping you are unnecessary aggressive and weighing down anything humanity can accomplish without that.
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."- Winston Churchill
It's a nice quote, but Churchill never actually said it.
Churchill, one of the greatest genocides of the last 200 years
Churchill, one of the greatest genocides of the last 200 years
I saw very uneducated people having more wisdom and consciousness than they so called “upper class” of society. Democracy is a state of well being of all humans, independent of their education. It’s arrogance that block’s our evolution!
Do you know where it came from?
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." Winston Churchill
The masses ONLY know of bread and circuses. Nothing more.
Dakoder II so true lol but sad and pathetic
But who gives right to anyone to define a 'average voter'?
We WaNt To LeAvE tHe Eu
Oh help my country
Trinayana Kaushik 1/2 the people you meet are below average. George Carlin
In 1971, my sixth grade civics teacher said: "democracy requires an educated electorate." Truer words were never spoken.
I really appreciate your sixth grade teacher comments
That's how it happens, kill education and you can kill democracy in a generation or two
Power for the ruling class ? Call that pyramids, or ponzie scheme, but get to understand that their interests go against all people by maintaining divisions, enhancing fractures between us all.
Our blood is red, we can all become parents so that our children make the future. Raising us like sheep is their guaranty that no rule can be trialed by civilian societies.
Earth Truth and Love are humankind's only common values quests treasures jewels sense interest.
Referendum by civilian initiative to govern us all together define state missions and trial bad decisions and malevolent intentions.
Censorship here.
And we are certainly more educated overall today than in Socrates day. Too easy today to influence, control, or buy the reps in a "Republic" .
The people vote for who they like. Not for who they need
Moreover, they vote those who they *think* they like.
That's a good distinction. A disillusionment between self-interest and apparent self-interest.
I think that's what Socrates meant by the thought experiment of either voting for a doctor, or a candy shop owner.
Absolutely right! Trump and Bush are proof of this.☹️
i just cannot express how right your statement is
"This comment section is full of quotes"
- Probably Socrates
😂
Mizo?
@@rspvarun yes
Ok
"I never said that"
-Probably Socrates
Did my thesis on this at uni: when socrates was sentenced to death, it was done so under the expectation that he would flee the city. this was common practice, and after some time, his allies in the city would have been able to quash the judgement and secure his safe return to the city. but by accepting his death sentence he chose to give the middle finger to democracy, choosing death simply to prove the validity of his argument.
Ah, so that's why it is always said that he "chose" death. ^^'
That's badass
He sure showed them
Can you send me your thesis? It sounds really interesting. Thanks
@@fourfundamentals210 I did it ten years ago so i dont have it saved anywhere! General gist was talking about the susceptability and toxicity of moral panics within democratic systems. I compared it to the Mccarthy Trials in the US as a 20th century example of how history repeats itself in this regard. Plato, who was a student of Socrates and has written most of what we know about him, would go on to write one of the most influential books in human history: The Republic, and he did it using a fictional Socrates talking to random Athenians to articulate his arguments. Its not only a nice homage to his teacher but also shows how Athens went on to regret its action over Socrates, since Plato went on to be so revered in the city he would found an academy in the city that would survive hundreds of years
The problem with democracy is the vote of non-thinking people who sleepwalk through life counts exactly the same as those voters who think deeply and carefully about the issues and candidates.
Since non-thinkers will always vastly outnumber the Thinkers, the results are predictable 😑
yea, people like you and me
reading this post US election...checks out 🤣
The leaders of both parties represent thinkers. The followers - non-thinkers
@@maiselfify
I would scarcely describe Trump as a "thinker"
Democracy is good when the public is educated and aware. That requires a good public education system. America’s education system is very poor, so people make poor choices.
the lesson here is that just because you can use twitter doesn’t mean you understand politics
Anyone who attached themselves to some political party Or extreme ideology will never understand politics, except the politicians who do it of course
@@alice_in_wonderland42
Like the video said, people who are allowed to vote but uneducated will only be tricked and fooled choosing the corrupted before the one that can change and save the country
people on Twitter make me lose braincells
@@alice_in_wonderland42 absolutely agreed, 100%
it really sucks because no one actually thinks this is valid, when in reality it is
"Democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov
Yes and in this way it motivates the system and the knowledgable people to spread the knowledge so that ignorance is reduced. Because this is the solution if the ignorance gets same weight. The other solution would be to give greater weight to the knowledgable but you increase their power and reduce even more the power deficit of the ignorant ( who already have some lack due to ignorance) and also you motivate increase of the gap by increasing the power of knowdgeable and lessen the power of the ignorant.
@@innosanto
That used to work, but today spreading ignorance has never been easier. The knowledgeable are far outnumbered and easily drowned out. We live in a time where a single well-funded hit piece is enough to refute hundreds of independently researched, peer-reviewed articles.
It also doesn't help when your elected Sweet Shop Owner (and his political party) constantly denigrates intellectual institutions for the sole purpose of keeping the poorly educated easily manipulated.
innosanto you present it like if it’s a bad thing to further reduce the power of ignorant people that way. Why? You know, the way democracy functions now is the way to keep everyone quiet and a little bit satisfied. I don’t think that leads to an optimal result for humanity.
I hate democracy because it has created leaders whom follow the tide. One minute they're going one way, the next they're headed in the opposite direction. FOH
@@innosanto well yes the goal should be to destroy your so called *_gap_* and encourage all to become knowledgeable.
As George Carlin put it: “Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups”
Spoil Something large group of stupid people can destroy everything around them but can’t solve a problem. Majority of the people must be controlled by minor intellectual group.
Huseyn Hasanov majority of people controlled by small group of intellectuals was called soviet union, turns out 10000 of the smartest (maybe) people in that country could not manage what hundreds of millions did naturally in their daily lives before, eonomic productivity, and because of that failure they collapsed. If you can design a system that has such little power that a group of autocrats can run it, and not overtake freedoms of the governed, well wed be in 1808 or something such.
Goth Floss Josh Soviet Union collapsed because of the wrong economical ideology. The economy of the world depends on the Capitalism and only better ideology can replace it. The Soviet Union was controlled by dictators, not a small group of smartest people. Also majority of the people just eat, drink, work and sleep. They live like an ant. All of them must work on their own department because they are mastered on their own speciality not on politics and management of country.
Huseyn Hasanov My point was you cant sum down all of life to a few intelligent people at the top, and about your point about dictators, there were countless bureaucracies with heads of those but all worked towards the same vision of killing or imprisoning opposition and maintaining power through fear. Ministry of entertainment, Ministry of organization, countless ministries, with their
own heads. The head of state was simply the most powerful among them, it isn't like his power wasn't divided amongst his own government. Majority of people being economically productive leads to shit like us arguing with iPhones over RUclips. Imagine saying that sentence 20 years ago. No one would have a fucking clue. A small group of intellectuals might have quite literally made both RUclips and the iPhone, but the entire market and it's incentives were where it took place, and the market contains every human who participates in it.
@@immaculatesquid If leaders are using the fear, they are bad leaders that who uses religion, political ideology and etc. The intellectuals who controls the country must choose the best decisions for the future of everyone but you can't make everybody happy and give them comfortable life. As I understand you also say that some intellectuals should work on the development of technology and etc. I totally agree with this argument. Intellectual should work on different departments.
Voting is an act of power. Power is a responsibility. And not everyone is capable for that responsibility.
Do you think people should have to take tests to vote?
@@ImTitan16 in my opinion yes. Certain qualifications
Yes @@ImTitan16
@@jaishreeram1281 me too man
@@ImTitan16 we as inteluctal can't do anything but frown at the government chosen by incoptent retarded ppl (indian here)
"A democracy is only as good as the educational system, that surround it" on point
Right.. I was so glad someone finally pointed it out.
don't blame if education system is bad, people have to educate themselfs as well education system is just part of it and not all.
We should lead the WORLD by scientists, or better, an omniscient AI. Everything should be decidet to the best of everyone and the rise of humanity itself, regardeless of the opinion of the people, which think, that many good things or ideas are bad. The humanity is now like a toddler, we need radical changes to grow to a wise adult. To the public, many of those changes are apparently nonesense, horrific, dumb or just bad. That leads us to the current situation. Politics is an ongoing fight for staying on the top, therefore politicains DON'T ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT ANYTHING, which is not directly affecting thmselfes, the ONLY REASON politicians seem to care is because they don't want to lose public sopport or even cause a scandal led by the peak of mount stupid (Dunning Kruger effect). Of course this system gives us basic rights, we should be glad of having, because nearly everyone agrees in having freedom of speech, freedom of movement , human rights, press freedom and so on. But the biggest flaw of this whole system is the reliance of nearly any big, important decission on the collective approval of a majority of the public, which usually has no idea of nearly anything, especially something that complicated to make REAL changes. Therefore the public gets it wrong very often, which leads to the fear of losing the next election, because of a public outcry, even though of making a good decission. And therefore they make bad decissions, which the gerneral public thinks are good, just to stay on the top. Really bad problems can't be solved like that. The reason why we have different jobs is, that everybody makes that, what he can do best. Sadly politics dosn't work like that. Everyone can make decissions, wheather they should or shouldn't.
@@TwizzElishus And you are exactly the reason why democracy is flawed
@@aidasmatulaitis5175 It's not just the education system. It's accessibility. You can't expect people to "educate themselves" when important material is out of reach. This is especially true in run down nations where there is little to no reading material.
"What men learned from History, is that men never learned from Histroy."
Underrated comment AF
Got this quote from my Pastor named Geneha Kim, I think I got this when he teached history.
@@11stemgen1dinoeldinjr.d.de8 That pastor "teached" you "histroy"?
@@olchat2012 yes, I think the title was history of Real Bible Believers, when Satan covered up all faces of possibilities (Conscience, Science, School, Government etc.) for us not to be saved.
@@11stemgen1dinoeldinjr.d.de8 what’s a pastor?
Killing him for speaking his mind. What a democracy.
Well i think that's called freedom of speech not democracy....sure it is a part of democracy nowadays....but it isn't the same thing
@@darksecret6050 fun fact, freedom of speech is not democracy
@Imperialismo Pagano Look at all the oligarchs that govern the world.. They are well trained indeed, to serve their own interests
@Imperialismo Pagano Then how is that the best kind of governance?
@Imperialismo Pagano My bad then, did sophocracy or aristocracy have ever been applied as a government system or is applied anywhere rn? If so, why do you think it isn't adopted more? What flaws does it have?
Democracy is when five people vote and three agree to take everything from the other two.
Haha, sad but true. Very well put
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what is for dinner.
Interestingly, that is not actually what happens.
@@halvarfyeah, it kind of is.
@@lseger62 Then what has been taken from you *by the majority*? What really happens is that a rich minority gets to decide.
‘’I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only make them think’’
- Socrates.
And that's still a stretch in Murica.
I don't think he can make them think. But, it was a good trick to say that though😉
@@lgv3051 he can make 1 out of a 1000 think ..that is a seed 😉... seed of hope
Ok
In Plato's The Republic he says that the Academy should not teach people what to think, but rather how to think. Schools today teach rote learning, not critical thinking skills.
"Stop stealing my quotes" - Socrates
This deserves more likes
“History tells us whenever the first few replies of a comment say “underrated underrated” , then comment is never underrated”
"write that down"
-pluto
Fr people
"I'm dead, so is democracy, wait .WHY ARE YOU HERE? "- socrates
"Democracy is a kind of government in which, people are counted but not weighed"
-Iqbal
What does that mean ?
@@hamzah1694 Search for weighted averages
It is basically an average where each element's contribution is weighted. Your normal average is in fact a weighted average where all weights are equal. So it is a generalization of normal averages. The weights can also be called factors, coefficients, parameters or simply "multiplicity", as is, a vote of weight 2 counts as 2 votes.
I get it. Thats how them “dumb-minion” machines works.
It is not weighted but weighed
Fun fact: Socrates was actually given a choice between death and exile after his trial. King among men, he refused to go and chose death, for "Unexamined life is not worth living". To him speaking his mind, seeking truth through heuristics and dialogue were central to his life, his love of philosophy and of his city. On another note, he was also noted to be a brave and resilient fighter during war time and had absolutely no philosophical quandary fighting to protect his city. Think of that. A marvel of a man. One of the greatest minds ever. A committed citizen-soldier. Killed for "corrupting the youth". The mind boggles...
Socrates was right, democracy is nothing but poison and tool used by terrorist government to further thier agenda, just look what USA "democracy" have done to Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, nobody wanted their democracy but they forcefully used as tool to steal oil.
Democracy ironicqlly always fears the truth because it corrupts "the next generation".
Why do you think the DNC tried to squash Bernie in 2016? Because yes we believe in freedom but no we dont want to change the system drastically even tho its possible in a democratic system
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect", Mark Twain
Why ? And if in democracy majority will not decide than who will ? This will make mockery of the democracy
@@sanketkumar8040 majority of people in olden days said earth is flat, only Galileo says it ia round. So by your implication, earth must be flat Because majority said so... If 99 % people say 1+1= 3 and only 1% says 1+1=2. Which one would be correct according to your logic?
@@badapjiedkylla1899 i agree with you i hate democracy. But the other ways of running the country can create chaos mass killing like in China . Even a revolt today in such countries can lead to very high destruction of that nation . I don't see any other way.
@@sanketkumar8040 yes very true. Democracy may not be the perfect system of government but it is the best available out there till date..
亗ApØLoGïSt FøR GØD亗 not for india though... There are just too many ignorant people... Democracy leads to big problems when it comes to a diverse country like india... The guys pitch in religion and the game of politics reaches another level
"There's no point for democracy when ignorance is celebrated." -NoFX
@Smoke’Em If ya Gott’em If you’re referring to Democrats and Republicans that’s just not true.
@@-hydro ignorance, case and point.
objectively, it is true.
This is basically America
This is Democrats Liberal , always talking about democracy, and fighting for Democracy.
@Smoke’Em If ya Gott’em you're confusing the party with the people. People always align themselves in groupings whether it's political, religious, whatever. We gravitate to like minded people. The difference is in America, there is a shared national identity that helps the great melting pot be the best system ever created. Until corruption from people holding DIRECTLY OPPOSING ideology's of any kind, like (* and communism subvert the system from the inside. America isn't broken. The system is the best that's ever existed. The problem is and always will be people in general. NO MATTER TERM LIMITS, HOW MANY PARTY'S OR ANYTHING ELSE. CORRUPTIOIN AND SUBVERSION.
“Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.” - George Carlin
hahhahha , now i want to watch that whole George Carlin bit
We should lead the WORLD by scientists, or better, an omniscient AI. Everything should be decidet to the best of everyone and the rise of humanity itself, regardeless of the opinion of the people, which think, that many good things or ideas are bad. The humanity is now like a toddler, we need radical changes to grow to a wise adult. To the public, many of those changes are apparently nonesense, horrific, dumb or just bad. That leads us to the current situation. Politics is an ongoing fight for staying on the top, therefore politicains DON'T ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT ANYTHING, which is not directly affecting thmselfes, the ONLY REASON politicians seem to care is because they don't want to lose public sopport or even cause a scandal led by the peak of mount stupid (Dunning Kruger effect). Of course this system gives us basic rights, we should be glad of having, because nearly everyone agrees in having freedom of speech, freedom of movement , human rights, press freedom and so on. But the biggest flaw of this whole system is the reliance of nearly any big, important decission on the collective approval of a majority of the public, which usually has no idea of nearly anything, especially something that complicated to make REAL changes. Therefore the public gets it wrong very often, which leads to the fear of losing the next election, because of a public outcry, even though of making a good decission. And therefore they make bad decissions, which the gerneral public thinks are good, just to stay on the top. Really bad problems can't be solved like that. The reason why we have different jobs is, that everybody makes that, what he can do best. Sadly politics dosn't work like that. Everyone can make decissions, wheather they should or shouldn't.
@@arctrix765 You want a 'Benevolent Dictatorship' - I'm all for it too.. sick of self-serving narcs in grubberment
@@adammacer Yeah, but despite this, there should never be a dictatorship, brcause the danger of someone ruining it for all is too high
"Everyone could become a leader and i want it"
-some clowns-
To be fair, Socrates was a teacher who was living in an era without public schooling. He’d have advocated for teaching political science at an early age in a democracy, which we do to a very minimal level in us history/social studies.
And for decades now, politics have been baked deeply into the public school system. The education bureaucracy seeks only to justify its own existence and salaries while churning out state-loving automatons rather than robust independent humans.
Education is only as good as its students. Most people just dont want to learn. Most people just want to live and have fun (especially at the age we teach them). If we had life long schooling (from 10 to 90) then maybe it would work.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."
-George Carlin
A funny quote, but technically then, that would be the MEDIAN person, not the average. It also assumes that there is an equal number of people above and below that line. Sadly, more than half the population is likely stupider than that, as those above the line include many higher (but not outlying) numbers that offset the average further per capita. Just sayin.
Carlin was an atheist , they don't come dumber than that
@@ethanwilliams1880TECHNICALLY, median is a form of average, and since the original commenter did not explicitly say mean (which is what I believe you are referring to), then you could interpret this as the median
@@ethanwilliams1880If the difference above and below average are equal, median and average are also equal. Pretty sure median IQ is equal to average IQ.
@@Rsconquestmedian IQ is not always equal to average IQ.(for a group, on world scale your statement is indeed correct.
However in this context we are talking about a country, which is just a group and not the world total)
For example, if five people have IQs-
80, 69, 100, 150 ,175
Then the median is 100
But the average is 114.8
"There are too many incorrect quotes in this comment section."
---Sun Tzu, The Art of War
"Plagarism is the sincerest form of flattery," so it is said. It follows that the converse would be "Incorrect plagarism is the most insincere form of flattery."
Lol
😂 I love it!
"I wonder what this Bitcoin thing does"
-Adolf Hitler, 1931 CE
Ha ha
__ayatollah khomeini 1974
“The problem with democracy is that people who need leaders aren’t qualified to pick them”
-Michael Malice
👏👏👏
💯💯💯
Who actually "picks" them? It ain't the average voter! They're given two choices by the systems of bureaucracy within the two major parties, of which are funded and controlled by oligarchs who work to protect the status quo and give the false impression of choice.
Or, the options for leader are always very bad...
@@andrebona and somehow people still vote for them. That’s kinda the point, don’t vote for someone just cause they’re running
You have opened my eyes to a new world for sure!
"Democracy is a system were people are counted, not weighed"
- Allamah Iqbal
If intellectualism is the argument against widespread democracy, then the answer is clear. Make sure every citizen is well-educated in the ways of democracy, & not ignorant of it...!!! Start with proper funding of a quality public education system. Otherwise, we'll end up with a deplorable, wannabe dictator, with 91 criminal indictments, who says he "loves the poorly educated" because they're easy to manipulate.
"Democracy is the worst form of government apart from all of those that have tried before it" - WC
@@Hjh826"it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." This one is correct and has different meaning.
@@GiorgiTch937 meaning is the same and I couldn't remember the exact quote so I paraphrased. At the end of the day the quote still means "democracy has many flaws but it is the best option we have at the minute"
Okay gay allah worshipper. Look at P0rkstan. Is it developed without democracy?
Sounds to me like Socrates wasn‘t against democracy - he was against stupidity given power and influence.
aka low information voters
Well, I suppose he was against the way democracy has been implemented, that is the ability for all to vote with not enough safeguards to minimize uninformed voting. But yeah, pretty much what you said lol.
OK but is it worse than the corrupt high information voters? I agree with rhe ship analogy but what is the solution? Should political science be mabadory in public schools? How do we property educate the masses and who is in charge of carriculum.
Given the scope of power it's impossible to have a truly informed voter base.
Yeah, that is why he believed only philosophers should be rulers. 👑
This explains why politics is about how well you present yourself to the public (even by lying) rather than how good your project actually is. It also explains why celebrities are more appreciated than scientists and philosophers.
Excellent point.
exactly why Caitlyn Jenner is a great possibility for being elected in California. because of her unprecedented qualifications of:
1 being a celebrity
2 being a woman with a dong....
@@triplem5770AND MONEEEY
Is celebrity a measure of character? All I know the former and the latter are people and people are flawed. Don't worry, no one cares! Take the shot, left or right arm, it's for your safety. We are the scientists and philosophers, we know what is best!
@@mattja52 Are you redirecting or something? We are talking about someone who studied and research vs someone who is famous. Not human flaws.
He did not hate Democracy he was explaining its flaws
So he didn't "hate democracy" he just pointed out that you need to be capable of logical thinking before you get to vote...
Jason Strom obviously uneducated people that vote is not a good thing but what’s your plan?
@Jason Strom A portion of the people can be whatever they want it's the majority that interests you... Because it's democracy...
Thanks for that. Hate is a really strong word and often used incorrectly. Pointing out the flaws in a system hardly connotes hate
And who decides who is educated or not? There is much to be learned outside of schools as well. In many cases it avoids indoctrination.
Just because the masses are stupid doesn't mean anyone has the right to silence them.
@@daanvanrijn4117 Stupid is one thing uneducated is another. There are numerous ways to measure the quality of the educational system.
Truth is most people are stupid, but we all like to think we are not part of that group. In most cases its idiots fighting other idiots, and both think they are right.
The best thing to do is recognize that we are and improve whatever state we are in.
@@howtorooms3621 Kingdoms lead by priest kings are better. Let the wise Druids lead not the crying feminist and spineless politicians
@@ADUAquascaping XD
It's like a loop really
I AM SMART because I DO NOT VOTE! I have no idea what they stand for because I have yet to educate myself about politics. So, I have all the right to claim I do not belong to the sheep.
"If voting worked, they wouldn't let us do it" -- Mark Twain
this quote made my day
That is true...it does not work because idiots vote. If voting is done by intelligent minority it would came to our understanding that voting foes not work. All politicians are just corporate and interest groups pawns.
@@kvarnerinfoTV The thing about modern democracy that there are many problems when it's comes to elections. Sometimes people just choose the minority group that chooses for us.
Oh Jesus. Twain didn't say or write this either. Here's a clue for the future. If you EVER see a quote attributed to someone, AND it doesn't cite where, when, etc that the quote was made, it is most likely incorrect and/or misattributed.
@@g1a1r1y3 This one I did research myself but thanks for your contribution :)
Socrates would force himself upon an aneurysm if he saw the 2024 election.
😂😂
Yea :/
Sooner, the 90s when they brought the A.I to elect the politicians
Government: "We should let everyone vote."
Socrates: "But why?"
Government: "KILL HIM!!"
smart guy: talks about something people disagree
free speech: adios
Makes you think
Athens did not offer universal suffrage tho...
However, something doesn't add up in this video. In Ancient Greece only a very small portion of the population got to vote. For starters, slaves could not vote, and they were above 50% of all people in Greece. Women also couldn't vote, and check this out, uneducated people also could not vote, only male adults who had gone through citzenship education could vote.
@@nerdienew911 The sad story of Jordan Peterson
When I brought up this point in front of one of my 8th grade teachers, in a group discussion, he shamed me in front of the class. Wish I had known Sokrates brought up the same point.
I wasn't allowed to think this.
Trust in Dog assuming you live in the United States, I’m just assuming based off your experience with your teacher, it’s not even a democracy it’s a republic. That’s why the pledge of allegiance says “and to the republic for which it stands”
@@mariedemers9839 However, Socrates' argument still holds true because American representatives' decisions and policies are crafted to align with the opinions of their constituents.
Its ridiculous the reaction people have if you speak against democracy. Its become completely sacred, almost a religion, whilst its clearly failing in some areas due to the problems Socrates predicted.
Democray has only ever lasted a relatively short time when its been used before and its arrogant for people to think it will automatially survive eternally now, or that the system could not be improved by introducing more meritocacy.
And what did he say to shame you?
And criminality was nothing to do with Socrates' ideas around who should be able to vote.
There's another problem.
Before we can vote, for better or worse, the candidates we can vote are limited. In most cases the doctor can't even participate in the election.
That definitely is the case in the US (and the UK and also countries like Russia) but in countries where democracy isn't structurally flawed (I'd argue in the Netherlands where I'm from), the candysellerproblem definitely exists too.
The DNC made sure there Sweet Shop Owner was going to kick out Docter Sanders, that's for sure
philiponify everyone is a candy seller the only question who is the worst
Ricther Belmont Rand Paul is the doctor Sanders is the delusional old man pretending to be Santa Clause
agree. Sometimes we have to choose between a turd sandwich or a giant douche.
For an ancient old geezer this dude was on point.
Exactly.
Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve.
-George Bernard Shaw
- ❗️PLEASE READ ALL❗️👍✌️You may be surprised to hear that the word “Democracy” does not appear in the Declaration Of Independence or the US Constitution, or in any of the Constitutions of the 50 states. The founding fathers did everything that they could to keep us from having a democracy. James Madison in the federalist papers said, “ democracy’s have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security, or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in there lives, as they have been violent in there deaths.” Alexander Hamilton said...” real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of democracy.” The founders had good reason to look upon democracy with contempt. Because, they Knew of the democracy’s produced in the early Greek city states where in every case they ended up with mob rule then anarchy and then tyranny under an oligarchy. During that period in Greece there was a man who urged creation of a fixed body of law not subject to the majority whims. The Romans adopted that man ideas, in which they created the 12 tables of the Roman law and in affect built a Republic that limited government power and left the people alone. Rome became wealthy and the envy of the word. However, it’s people forgot that “the essence of freedom is the proper limitations of government”. Once the Romans dropped there guard, power seeking politicians began to exceed the powers granted them in the Roman constitution. Some learned that they could elect politicians who would use government power to take property from some and give it to others. Benjamin Franklin said, “ When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of our republic.” Agriculture subsidies were introduced, followed by housing and welfare programs. Inevitably taxes rose and Controls over the private sector were imposed. Soon a number of Rome’s producers could no longer make ends meet. Productivity declined, shortages developed and mobs began roaming the streets demand bread and other things from the government. However, there was no food to give since producers stoped producing .Many were induced to trade freedom for security. Eventually the whole system came crashing down.They went from a republic to a democracy and ended up with an oligarchy under the progression of the Caesars. There are really only two true forms of government, Oligarchy, and a Republic. Monarchy doesn’t exist in the practical sense in which it’s always a group that puts one of its members up front.(oligarchy is the most popular form of government in history!). Anarchy doesn’t exist because it’s just a transition, like like a vacuum, in which it brings in an oligarchy. Democray come from (demos Kratein) which means people rule; which mean MAJORITY RULE. As I already stated Democracy doesn’t really exist because it always goes from mob rule to anarchy and finally tyranny under an oligarchy. The word Republic however, comes from the Latin words , (res) meaning THING and (Publica) meaning PUBLIC. It means the public thing, THE LAW!. The key is in preventing a republic from getting to a mob ruled democracy, like what happens in the Roman Republic. The United States Republic is following the same fate as the Roman Republic. The only two true forms of government are , an Oligarchy and a Republic. When Benjamin Franklin exited the Constitutional Convention he was asked by a woman, “ sire, have you given us a monarchy(oligarchy) or a Republic.?” Benjamin Franklin answered, “A Republic ma’am, if you can keep it.”
i wonder if republicans think thats what they represent still (a republic). as far as i remember from what i learned, republicans and democrats used to be vice versa to what they are now. thus the trouble with words.
Where else have I heard that name? Oh yeah Muslims fabricated a Quote (Reference) and a Book (which doesn't exist) claiming he spoke good of Muhammad and Islam: Many of them still believe it is true.
@@theislamophobicprophet5718 what are you talking about !
@@Ryma907 George Bernard Shaw
I think that this only tells us that we should keep improving our education systems.
Alexander Petrohv yepp
Yep education is all about competition and not collaboration. Like Finland
Alexander Petrohv How exactly?
Hear, hear!
That can only happen if uneducated people think it's important. I.e. never.
"Democracy basically means of the people, for the people, by the people. But the people are Retarded"
-Rajneesh Osho
He doesnt blame the government. He blames the people.
"So join my cult instead"
@@__-yz1ob based
I was looking for this comment 😂👌
Actually you are right and wrong at the same time. In democracy citizens are fooled not because they are retarded but simply because the democrats do it in a smart ways. People who want to have freedom of speech like opressed people or gay people will love democracy because it lets them be who they are without consequences but on the other side its the democrats who still decides their fates so whenever they decide to give u freedom u get it and if they decide not to you will not have it
We've seen the flaws in democracy with uneducated ignorant or overly emotional populations very recently.
“You can’t have a functioning democracy without a well informed electorate” - Thomas Jefferson
For a functioning Democracy, Education of Electorate (Vote casting people, 18 yrs n old. College students are most ideal candidates) is must. - Thomas Jefferson
yet even all people are well informed，there is no assurance they make right desicions
johan qian ah I believe your opinion might be rooted in the old capitalist/fascist “human nature” fallacy. Humans are a product of their environment, we are not born “good” or “evil”, we are blank slates.
Shit Storm yes I do. “Fascism” is defined as “the merging of state and private power” (to consolidate power and gain control over a given society). In other words the inevitable conclusion of capitalism, as evidenced by casually observing any capitalist economic system since 2500BC (when capitalism/private ownership was invented).
P.S Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information when it comes to sensitive subjects like this (I’m assuming you read a false pseudo-definition on there)
Copied from Platon.
If Twitter tried to cancel Socrates, it would be a hilarious week
Twittards are authoritarians disguised as democrats and liberals.
Democratic*
@@nandhakishor103 Very aptly put 👏
@@nandhakishor103 Authoritarianism can be very useful sometimes.
@@talisdorman.9796 You mean twittards are useful?
" I love democracy"
- Palpatine
Ability to quote prequels does make you intelligent
This is golden
*I AM THE SENATE!*
That quote makes sense in a very sad manner
Tensor TF no one asked
Why in schools dont teach basic politics? How populism works, what is socialist, far right, far left , polity ect. Average citizen just vote what sounds good.
Government: "We should let everyone have a say in elections."
Socrates: "I have something to say to that"
Government: "CATCH HIM!!"
Wow thats pretty mind opening
Nicely framed dialogue.
@@roshnikarai2555 Well the question is what is the alternative... Who will these so called "specialists" be when it comes politics? Most politicians are rotten anyway. You think having politicians voted by politicians instead of the people will make things better? Politics are corruptible in it's nature no matter what system you use.
@@Yourebeautyfull i liked your comment but still I do have an opinion of the fact that there might be some option of corrections. Tried and experiences of practicing democracy have given us some flaws among many goods. Despite of having pro Democratic ideology i should be optimistic as there are lots of democratically elected leaders who are optioned just for their name and not for the ideas they hold. They turns to autocratic way of functioning.
@@Yourebeautyfull that's one intriguing point, because how do you choose who has a say in the governance then as you mentioned Men are corruptable. The senate system didn't work for Roman Republic and Monarchy/ Dictatorship is just not an option, everything comes down to French Revolution how every for of governance failed there and as the time goes on we see cracks in Democracy. The question is really complex and there isn't an answer
"I love democracy"
- The Senate
"I love the poorly educated."
"I am the senate" - Palpatine
Best comment
Space Marine: We can go home later boys.
FOR THE EMPEROR!!!
*Hunts down heresy in Star Wars*
@@Clos_Goldstienburg-III speaking of star wars. best line ever. - This is how liberty dies... to thunderous applause. They voted themselves into tyranny
“Absolute democracy is like 2 wolfs and a sheep discussing what to have for dinner” -Ben Franklin
Love this one
dizzyguy 101 Except the sheep can walk away without being killed.
Let's turn that around on the constitutional republic. Then the electoral college is one wolf with 3 votes and 2 sheep with 1 vote discussing what to have for dinner right? Either way loser claims tyranny of majority or tyranny of minority.
@@simplefolk8991 well no because in order to win the election you need some big states votes and as well as small states, nice try tho
@@chrisc5560 Yeah, but a single Wisconsin voter is more than ten times as worth as a Texan, New Yorker or Californian's vote and this isn't an anecdotal exception, it's the rule with many small states holding, proportionally, more significance with the arbitrary number of electoral college votes the states have. And the big states currently are as good as secure. Thus resulting in occasions where the populous vote does not have a majority but the state votes do. And it is what it is, populous democracy republic is feared to become a "chaotic tyrannic mobocracy" but on this scale of 327 million people a republic with an electoral college(mind you next to 0 other actual republics use the electoral college to elect a president/prime minister, most use populous vote) can be complained to have "tyranny of the large minority" too.
In the words of Uncle Ben:
"With great power, comes great responsibility!"
Mark Twain once said "If voting made a difference, they wouldn't let us do it.
"
The chances are basically the same to win the lottery as to have your vote actually matter (winning by a single vote margin).
When in doubt, always go back to Twain 😂👍
@@mikitz That's a pretty simplistic way to think about vote mattering.
@@TeamPill The best jokes are based on reality (I'm not saying that one was really that great, though).
@@mikitz
No votes matter.
Socrates: democracy won't work if you don't educate voters first
Comments in this video: so democracy bad
Socrates: no, educate people into having common sense before letting them vote
Comments: so democracy... bad
Democracy is cancer. Republics are better
Oh thank god!! You’ve somewhat restored my faith! Educate the electorate? Nah, let’s go for tyranny instead. Oops, I’m meant benevolent tyranny.
@@mymathmind democracy always leads to authoritarianism. Our Education was made solely for the purpose of indoctrination
Black Knight 😂
@@mymathmind look up the origins of education in the west
In democracy the opinions of the people are counted but not weighed.
That's a good statement! What do you think of Meritocracy?
@@gnosis8142 Fantastic Point. But who will decide merit?
@PALLAB BISWAS - it's interesting - that I usually get feedback - the more I throw a good (vague)metaphor\aphorism etc; and not when I explain things. But this is the problem with the human mind; it naturally cannot grasp the truth. The truth is mathematical; but people want it to be: emotionally pleasing, flattering their ego etc.
Anyway - to answer your question ― I found & wrote "the theory of everything"; and don't let the name fool you ― it's actually a theorem (certainly true).
The simplest way to state the difference between it and the countless ideas that people invented ― is just that - that it wasn't invented; IOW - I didn't jump to conclusions; I deduced every step - by pure logic. In fact - the way it's written ― every statement is all the following in-one: statement(which says the thing; like in WikiPedia), the definition, the explanation, the proof etc.
To answer your question directly ― the most basic thing which sets merit ― is logic. I can't explain much in this comment section; but to put it simply ― it is equivalent to the whole-number-line; in the progress - we actually go from a big number (of complexity) ― to the beginning; and number 1 - is the origin of all the next numbers, it's indivisible ― thus containing all the aspects; thus both: generation & the property(generated). (hint ― it solves the pseudo-paradox - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_the_creator_of_God)
I don't know how my explanation is perceived, and whether understood... but in this FaceBook-group "Meritocracy high equilibrium" facebook.com/groups/176612696614548/; there are links to better explanations.
And join the group, of course!
Gnos Is Tbh A meritocracy does sound good but the same question arises who will decide the merit? and there’s always a chance it will lead to an oligarchy.
Gnos Is The main problem is that we humans are literally vying for power every step of the way. We’re greedy and selfish. We want authority and Control. If only all people were perfect then democracy would’ve been the best form of government but alas that is not the case.
how can u hate something that does not exist
“I tried democracy once. But then my wife and her mother voted me out of my own house.” -Rodney Dangerfield
No respect
Maybe he was the impostor
This.....this is the problem with Democracy
This is exactly my problem with democracy. I live in Australia and our politicians are like children plus majority of the population doesn’t know what they want for themselves let alone who to vote for the countries leader and why. Basically everybody hates talking about politics.
Kingdoms lead by priest kings are better. Let the wise Druids lead not the crying feminist and spineless politicians
Well, that doesn't seem to have done a whole lot to worsen conditions in Australia, considering it's still one of the wealthiest and most advanced nations in the world.
@@HeortirtheWoodwarden purely because we sell huge quantities of raw earth materials to China. Give us 100 years and we will be a third world country alongside America.
@@LeviKerrison Wealth is not about resources. If it was the DRC wouldn't be one of the most miserable places to live in the world. It's about culture, about institutions, about free markets, stability, wise policy, investment, education, among other things.
@@HeortirtheWoodwarden dude you are off your head to think it’s not about resources. 2. We charge huge fees for immigration and 3. We charge huge sums of money for international students to attend you Universities. Yea we have it good now, but everyone is lazy and complacent, this only goes in one direction. We are wealthy because of raw earth exports and international investment in natural resources. That’s it.
My grandfather told me how people can become so stupid.
There was a very good doctor in my grandfather's village. He was also very kind, and he always treated the poor without have to pay and have done lots of social work for that village. So, people started asking him to run for Election, and after some time he finally did.
Seeing his popularity, his opponents made a plan.They started gossiping: "Hey, if the doctor is elected, he will not have time for your treatment, then what will you do?
So the foolish, greedy villagers voted against the doctor.
He's right tho. The doctor best role is being a doctor, not a talker.
The problem is when society appreciate the talker more, aka pay them more.
It's not the political ideal that decide how good that country is for me. It's how much they pay their teacher. Corrupt people can corrupt every single form of government out there.
@whitecrow20XX the doctor was not only good in skill, but also in conduct. that's why he was loved in the first place. he was literally giving free healthcare.
They were not being greedy, though. They were simply being logical. The other candidates were right, if he won the election, there probably wouldn't have been another doctor that could live up to him.
@BIazybut you dont get it, the changes the doctor could have made to society far outweighed the mere treatments
@BIazyand you know this how? lmfao
As an American, I can see why.
What I've learned from this is that we need a better education system.
Sooo many walking about wit heads full ov useless rubbish ..! J.D Rockefella said 'He does'nt want a country (planet) full of thinkers... He wants them to become half conscious slave workers'.
ppl didn't like it
If people were exposed to Socrates early on I think the world would be a very very different place. Who could be a better teacher than the inventor of logic, philosophy, morality and ethics? There is a lot of absurdity in the world right now
@@nixtoshi There are Morbid Heretics that have been about for awhile now.. that have power, and deem that men like him.. Plato and others.. are dreaming clowns and there word holds no power. Because it is always easier to take the easy path and wait for a Wise Prophet to come along, and discredit them... than what it is to go and path your own road, and hang off the Coat Tales of them. The schooling system does'nt want wise people... it wants lost sheep. So yes you are completely right !
Your wish will be fulfilled soon. 😉😉
Soon means 2035
“Democracy is only ever as effective as the education system that surrounds it.”
This is why the US is in such upheaval nowadays. The education system doesn’t promote free thinking. It teaches you what the people in charge think you should know.
Most school systems in any modern country don’t tend to be a free thinking. The modern school system in most modern societies was based off the Prussian model which had the goal of producing loyal soldiers
@@hs5312 "Discipline and Efficiency"
Well, education system is not actually education system. It basically just inputs stuff to the children by the government. It's just manipulation system
EXACTLY
So anarchism?
To be fair "free thinking" in a government system is why China steamrolls the western world in all fields.
"Voting has become the biggest democratic scam of the millenium"
A friends cousin dog
Brian from Family Guy?
"He who go to sleep with itchy bum wake up with stinky finger"--Confucius.
my question is ,if education is the way to decide that one should vote then what will happen to the people who have street smartness, people who have experienced the real world and know more about it rather than some graduate who has no idea about the real world. isn't that wasting votes??????
I better Socrates didn't mean about getting a college degree to vote. Instead he could have looked for some other valid criteria
@@NSq12 to be shorten: ppl with brain.
"why are there so many quotes in this comment section?" Jackie Chan
"stfu, bitch" - aubert eistein
“Because quoting other ones wisdom”
- Obama
"Because fuck you thats why" George Washington
@@papaindica3185 "You win" - Vladamir Putin.
So .. why are u gaeh
“The biggest flaw in democracy is that stupid people can vote” -my dad
Your dad's right
Your dad is right
Your dad's from the right
@@kaydotcontent ?
The definition of stupid can change based on the whims of each individual; then if a law were to be made saying a set group of people were unqualified based on factors they may not be able to change ever, then those people get orchestrated and slowly dehumanised.
Better idea: just give the best education possible to all and hope for the best; or invent mind control and give the reins over to the most morally stable people.
what a great, incredibly informative video
“Think of how dumb the average person is and realize that half are dumber than that.”-George Carlin
Average American you mean
You're a nasty misanthrope.
I assume your highness are in the upper half.
Congratulations on finding a quote that actually fits the subject of this video.
@@doktarr so you are the smart one and pretty much everyone else is dumb?
Problems with democracy
1. Demagoguery
2. Bribery
3. Outside influence
4. Trickery
4. Instability
All preventable
@@Wewetaand yet time and time again we are unable to prevent it
Any human-based ruling system will be afflicted by these factors. That's just science.
Is the missing point here not that societies must advance and promote education as a priority to help ensure national interests are best served?
None of the above are exclusive to democracy.
6. Mail in ballots
I smashed my volume up button hoping that the whole Philippines will hear this
Andrew Mabagos 🙏🏼 😥 I’m sharing it to my friends and family on all my social media.
I’m not voting at all this election, I’d feel stupid if I do.
Puro lahat Candy sellers. What’s new.
Oo nga
Haha nothing different here in Brazil. Separatism to all little comunities!
@@renatowgomes1 Developing countries rise up
“Every nation gets the government it deserves.” - Joseph de Maistre
"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." Churchill
"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
So what do you propose as a substitute, autocracy?
Titodickdickmanbabynism
+TheMaster-Y
I think a Monarch!
Wojciech Dziedzic Churchill, who cares about that guy? lol
"Don't believe everything you read on the internet"
-Abraham Lincoln
lol
He was a wise man
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That quote is wrongly attributed to Lincoln. It was actually Millard Fillmore who made that statement.
@@Seasidh3 no shiit sherlock
" _Deep quote_ "
-Big brain
No, Big PP
well said
certainly, big PP
You just made me rethink my whole purpose in life.
Ah, Big Brain. My favourite of the Ancient Greek Philosophers
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
Benjamin Franklin
The fundamental problem is who decides who is educated enough to vote.
May be there should be test conducted which signifies how much person knows about politics and leaders and something like that & people who qualifies them should be consider for vote.
@@roh9934 How would such a test look like in practice? With such tests, you are always in danger of injecting ideology. When for example religious fanatics create and review the test, they can design it in such a way that only people who agree that a theocracy is the right thing are allowed to vote. Or do you simply have to show that you know who the current leaders are and what the positions are each party stands for? Even this would be hard to do. Parties often have pages after pages of their positions before an election. Do potential voters have to know each point for each party? Here in Germany, we could vote for more than 40 different parties. That would mean such a huge time investment that only people with a lot of spare time would be allowed to vote. A country ruled by retired people and people who are rich not due to their own work (because an entrepreneur would not have enough time with all his work running the business) but maybe sold their company already and live off that money or even just inherited it? Or people who do not work at all and live off welfare? Or savants with perfect memories? But simply knowing something by heart does not equal understanding, does it? Or is it enough to be able to tell the basic ideas so that you do not have to learn by heart every party's program? But this opens it up for ideological influence again. Or will you limit the number of allowed candidates/ parties? What else do you need to know about the system? And again, do you simply have to know the stuff by heart? Those tests might sound good in theory but the real question one has to answer is how exactly it should look like.
Well, Plato does infact outlined the procedure to do the same in his book
@@nomichaudary92 Not really, at least not in a feasible way. He outlines in length what the philosophers should know and how they should be to be considered for the education process and what they should learn but the fundamental problem who decides is not solved at all. The process is described in a very passive way and focused on the students without mentioning the teachers. The only thing he offers is for philosophers to take over a city and send everybody who is too old to be indoctrinated away. This is something that would not work in practice. And it would still not solve the problem of the first philosopher king necessary. There were lots of rulers who thought their ideas would be the ones to improve everything. That is in fact the difference between totalitarians and mere autocrats. For ordinary despots it is enough that you obey, what you think doesn't really matter. Totalitarians want to change how people think. So one might search for a Plato but end up with a Hitler, Stalin or Mao instead.
Honestly, I would not have assumed that people proposing something likes this would want to do it exactly like Plato wrote. He wanted to force people who to breed with for example. And don't forget that Plato just talks about a city and starts from a less complex system (and I would argue even that was already too complex to just do what he proposes and basically throw most of the population out). And I strongly oppose that his ideas would be more moral which was his whole reason to start it in the first place. His writings are of a strong religious/mystic nature.
So we have to ask those who do propose something similar how they want to bring it about in the current state and what elements of his ideal they want to take. As I said I was assuming nobody would be foolish enough to take his writings as something that can be taken as a manual to transform a modern society and just as a basic input.
F.C Laukhard exactly
"An Apple a day keeps the doctor away"
-My Mum
a doctor a day keeps the apple away
moi
An apple a day makes a great quote on your grave
There's a new breed of doctors that won't be repelled even with two apples a day!
Heck! Some say there's a new kind of doctors that are apple resistant altogether!!!!
"A cigarette a day keeps the doctor in pay"
Oh
If u do not question democracy it is not democracy
I agree with Socrates, we need to get rid of these tricky politicians. We have the internet - people can be directly reflected.
By the way, a governor is not supposed to "lead" a ship. They're supposed to be in charge of menial bureaucratic tasks like transit and zoning. If a people in an area don't want to live a certain way - or do - the idea is that a representative government doesn't force itself on the people as hard as a non-representative government, so they can live as they want.
What government really is, from monarchies to today's reformulated form of "democracy", are the small group of the most powerful imposing their will over the world and it's peoples. All the actual good government does us as far as organization of our people goes, is easily automated by government workers. Us. This includes swaths of politicians - I'd hardly call them the ones in power. They're just as likely to be employed as you are - in fact more likely, it takes a lot of money to become a successful politician.
@@dialatedmcd So you think people are not misled by rumors on the internet? The media by which people get information is not the issue. The issue is most people don't use their brain and get misled easily.
@@binshuo @Binshuo Hu Ah, that's not quite what my point was but... interesting nonetheless, I'll bite.
But we must defend our democracy and elect a whamen President.
Current situation of India due to bjp government
"The foolish man believes himself to be wise, while the wise man knows that all men, himself included, are all fools."
Who said this? A fool?
To a degree.
Gumla Socrates said this
explains a lot
Are just men ,not perfect like all humans you might have problems with omnipotence and perfectionism.let god be perfect we re not we just need to improve for better
"We have forgotten this distinction between an intellectual democracy, and a democracy by birthright." no truer words have been spoken.
I agree potent words
Tori Nguyen An intellectual democracy - assuming it refers only to educated people having the vote - is incredibly snobbish though. Particularly as it's often more well off members of the population who are better educated. There's also the risk of people being labelled as unintelligent or ignorant for not holding 'approved' views.
So, you are saying, only ‘smart people’ should be allowed to vote? Who says who is ‘smart’ or not? The people who you agree with politically?
Comoroo The people that further our civilization.
Comoroo We need a new set up completely for an "intellectual" democracy because too many of the general public are stupid as fuck, liberal, greedy, uneducated, and completely lack any concept of foreign and domestic politics which EFFECT US.
I have dealt with clients who’ve graduated from Ivy League Universities like Harvard, Yale and Dartmouth. Whenever election season is upon us I tend to have long conversations about candidates, their records and policies. Those very educated voters often contradict themselves, have no idea about policies and get wrapped up in the personalities of the candidates. To be truly educated about voting you must care deeply about politics, the results of policies (homelessness, war, global warming, economic inequality etc) and benefits for the voters who need benefits. Educated is a relative term. You have to educate yourself
the point is, intelligence unfortunately doesn’t determine self-reflection. And without self-reflection people just vote according to their individual neuroticism.
Yes, it is really about how invested you are personally in the society, that is why the Founding Fathers required that anyone who could vote in America must also own land here.
Yeah, can't agree more. If we don't educate ourselves well enough, we'll be more likely to be brainwashing by school systems and society...
And then you remember that politics is just personal ambition to the candidates and they have no intention of reforming society
True my friend, education is relative
Just found out about this guy yesterday and I love his way of thinking
“Democracy is three wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.”
Its more like a Wolf, 15 buzzards, and 15 lambs voting on what to have for dinner.
And a constitutional republic gives the lamb a gun.
"And since there are sheep rights in place, they decide to go vegan."
Good one
@@alohi79 Not any constitutional republic - just the US.
And they give guns to lambs, vultures and the wolf alike, allowing the wolf to get a tank and a grenade launcher too, if he wants to.
I cant but wonder who among those is most likely to use his arms in non-self-defense ....
"When you poop in your dream you poop for real"
- Peter Griffin
Damn... So deep... So beautiful
I don’t get it
bwahahahahah... 😂😂😂😂
@@hhmaster789 theres no joke.
I dont get it.. what does that mean?
My experience with professors at MIT, Stanford, and the University of Michigan convinced me that no one can be truly objective, no matter how educated.
I suspect something other than your experience with those professors led to the convincing.
It is simply impossible for anyone to be truly objective. People have different values based on their upbringing and genetics. People who never starved would often value simple food below entertainment, but people scrambling for bread crumbs will put money and food above most other things. The fact that both of those people exist is the simply reality, and no, none is more correct than the other. People who were attacked personally will also value self-defense even tho it’s statistically unlikely in many places.
This is why there still need to be a vote even if you educate people because it is impossible for any person to be completely correct.
Enlightened self interest. People who advocate for clean air only do so for their selfish interest of breathing clearly. There are other examples but this ties back to moral philosophy and what is the good? There is no such thing as good.
@@robbytherob : then good is an illusion?
@@EstellammaSS It's better to have those who are close to correct having the vote than having someone who has no idea or is in the wrong have the vote. That is why republics exist and direct democracies do not.
This is very insightful. Kudos.
"Democracy is the freedom to elect our own dictators"
someone has read thomas hobbes leviathan
ShadowZZZ it’s a good book can’t deny that
Hitler came to power through democracy, proving this point
@@lzsmashv2208 but wasn't he also defeated by democratic governments?
"The tree if liberty mist be watered with blood" - Thomas Jefferson
The freedom to fail is freedom too is it not?
@@tomraines6554 No he was defeated through military might and when you have 3 global superpowers against one small nation like Germany the results are predictable.
“ Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting what to have for lunch.”
Benjamin Franklin
BULLSHIT!
@Bobby Tawil - Bullshit! A representative republic, the USA, is a form of democracy. Why are you repeating bullshit csa/kkk propaganda?
@Bobby Tawil - That's bullshit which you can't prove. Why are you repeating bullshit csa/kkk propaganda? You are repeating the propaganda of terrorist gangs.
@@rb032682 why are you so mad if you are right
@@aarontan2197 - I don't like willfully ignorant idiots attempting to bullshit me, especially when they are using terrorist propaganda.
the strength of a democracy is derived from the intellect of its population.
Like we today in India where inalienable rights of millions will be jeopardise because demagogue are using it for their own advantage.
@Thanos The FARMER that's why I go for the Chinese model. People can make hue and cry for human rights violations against PRC but at the end they have people centric government. One party system with minimum education qualification who elect representatives at the provisional and central level. And I think Socrates was talking about that same regime.
@Thanos The FARMER But we Indias can't see the rise of China. Money and muscle power go hand on hand in India and recommendation of ECI to decriminalise the politics are pending for last 10 years but BJP with its thumping majority don't want to make requisite amendments in RPA 1961. And today we can see in our society how much disgust and hatred is prevalent thanks to the current government. Roots of radicalism in India is due to sense of indignation you can take the example of recent Delhi roots which simply shows as a democratic polity where are moving. I am appalled by the politics played by BJP and simply stopped watching Indian media broadcasts.
@Thanos The FARMER it can never bro. Because social discontent is brewing and may be aggravated by the economic depression when millions of jobs will be lost and government will simply search a new religious scapegoat to sacrifice. Mr. Modi has done it so meticulously that people still can't believe it. Anyways nice talking to you bro because most of the time I only find Indians abusing each other on social media platforms for no reasons but political and people who take a logical stand are few.
@@SilentSpectator-hb2ul इस देश की जनता को intellectuals ने हज़ारो सालो तक गुलाम बना कर रखा है। चाहे वो मुसलमान अरबी intellectuals हो या फिर हिन्दू ब्राह्मण .... देश के बहुजन को सत्ता चाहिए , power चाहिए और resources चाहिये। democracy जैसा भी है side effects के साथ ठीक है भाईजान
I have something to ponder here. One argument that I have heard in favour of democracy is not that it makes for better rulers, but that the transition of rulers doesn't require a civil war. If everyone had voted, does that mean the transition from one ruler to another is less likely to be bloody?
"Crowds are influenced mainly by images produced by the judicious employment of words and formulas" Gustave Le Bon
world is simply selfish and cruel.
Lebron did not say that
Democracy is 51 people telling 49 people what to do.
Better than an oligarchy where its 5 people telling 95 what to do
@@gninja92 5 experienced people in economy or politology againts 95 unexperienced ? Just wanted to put slightly different angle, I don’t support oligarchy.
Good thing we live in a republic.
@@DeVanHelmoski A Republic is not far from democracy's problem either. Yes Dumb people will elect more skilled and educated people. But they elect to represent what they want. Dumb Greedy people will elect smarter people that promises to serve their greed. Let's look at the US for example, we know we need to get spending under control but that means we need to give up our greed. Smart people who know what's right such as cutting social security and Medicare to reduce spending will usually never get elected to make that change in Congress. Thats because Americans dont want to give it up because we are greedy and want "free" shit. Because of the way Americans think our Republican system will doom us once our debt gets high enough we go bankrupt, the dollar will crash and anarchy will engulf the US. Because America seems to get dumber and dumber our Democratic System will lead us to our eventual demise. The end of the American Republic is near.
@William Henderson *leech
"I slipped and fell on my balls and now I can't walk right" - Winston Churchill.
WTF. LMFAO
truly inspirational 👏👏
Boi what
He murdered 4 million citizens in Bengal(India)
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@@funny_2017 Winston Churchill was a brilliant man in history and a genius leader. The millions of Indians that died in the Bengal famine under the British rule had to do with the fact that Britain was in world war 2 and he had to prioritize his country (that was being utterly destroyed by Germany) over anything else because he was battling Germany that was practically an empire. Moreover, Arthur Herman, author of Gandhi & Churchill, has argued that without Churchill the famine would have been worse. Once he was fully aware of the famine's extent, "Churchill and his cabinet sought every way to alleviate the suffering without undermining the war effort", Herman wrote.
The title is not correct since he was not against democracy, he was against democracy without education.
I guess the problem with voting for specialists, is that the specialists are good at pretending they are specialists, while the true specialists get's pushed out of the system, because they are not likeable enough
that's what this video tells you....that's why the doctor in the example got pushed out....
I know, it makes the rather steriotypical assumption that the doctor would be less able to defend his point
I love democracy - Palpatine
I love communism : xi jinping
"I love the uneducated." -Trump
@Rudiger Glique No, Hillary was a 'bad' candidate, Trump was/is a 'terrible terrible' candidate. I voted for neither, but this time? Biden 2020!!! :)
@Rudiger Glique Biden stutters and he's still sharper than Trump. So much so that Trump has to resort to suggesting that Biden takes drugs to appear as lucid as he is. Meanwhile, Trump needs 2 hands to raise a glass of water, lol. Trump is toast! :)
@Rudiger Glique but I digress. "I love the uneducated." is something that Trump actually said, and it aligns perfectly with the content of this video. Socrates' theory that stupid people would propel a dangerous demagogue to leadership via democracy is on full display in modern America. Biden will be a major improvement. :)
socrates didnt hate democracy, he question its weakness. and people who profits from democracy's weakness were like
"damn this man see it through, we must do something"
edit: that's what i get from this video
He hate Democracy I already ask him, - Time Traveler From Noah Time.
@Farah Butt the title and thumbnail of the video claims he hated it, but from what i saw in the video he did not.
You got that right
He would bang a bunch of boys so they kicked him out. Then he couldn't survive on his own so he returned and was killed. Kind of a pathetic end for someone supposedly so smart
@@burritobrosvideos8060 what you said is absolute truth and i completely believe you without a doubt. if you want attention say something funny at least.
And we’re back
The very last thing the narrator said strikes me like thunder: we've elected many sweet shop owners, very few doctors. Wow. Just wow.
@D K with concussive force, yes.
@D K lightning conducts ELECTRIC force. Air provides resistance to the electric force. This produces the heat that produces the "rapid air expansion" also known as CONCUSSIVE force. This also may strike a person and at close enough range even be deadly. At greater range the force is still sufficient to shake windows and more than sufficient to rattle the ear drums of those for many miles with their concussive strikes.
Pedantic either way.
@@fusiondog77 “lightning conducts electric force”. That sentence doesn’t make sense.
I said "ah fuck"
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"First time in my life I see wise men talk and stupid men decide"
First time ?
Where are you living