Constellation is just so beautiful. It, the 707, and the the Concorde transcend the functional and utilitarian and are art. Beautiful when standing still, the act of flight transforms them into something magical
Bernard Boka I grew up only a few miles from the factory where the Constellations were produced. My father would take me to the airport and I would look through the fence into the lot where they kept the almost finished airframes. I was about ten years old. It was my favorite airplane then and aside from the SR 71 it still is at the top of my list.
I miss flying the Convair. She was a great bird in my mind. Was flying N4813C from KBWI to KCLT the night Palm 90 went into the Potomac river. She got us down and back,albeit a little cold. I really enjoy the videos of old radials, wish you could add the smell. Thanks for posting.
Hi Folks , it's been many years since I came to your air show's at Albion Park , but i still have fond memories of them as well & Picture's of the Awesome Aircraft , I even remember as a Member of 4th/19 Prince of Wales's Light Horse ( R.A.A.C. ) my first flight in a Carabou from East Sale R.A.A.F to Puckapunyal Military Base ( Vic ) , your aircraft are bringing back those memories and the fantasic time I had with the Royal Australian Amoured Corps and the awesome work you people do to restore the Aviation part of everyone's lives !!
Beautifull C 131B , Flew one for 14 years in Lower California . Mexico Nothing compares to Flying a Radial Aircraft. Absolutely Fantastic Aircrafts. Made Proudly in the United States.
I worked two years converting convair 440 and 880 models tô turbo prop power. I jig built the engine nacelles which were made from stainless steel. I could turn out two nacelles in one day if I really moved along. I worked for Hollywood aviation in Los Angeles as a sheet metal mechanic.
Dave Crupel they were turbine engines, not sure what make. We also did the same conversions to some privately owned D.C.-3s which turned them into tricycle landing gear aircraft instead of tail draggers.
@@timmayer8723 i know they were turbine engines. Not to sound like a smartass, but i read your comment, and know what a "turbo prop" is. Im a big aviation nerd and an in-training A&P. Im asking you what model engine. A PW 100 or 150? A T58? Some Rolls Royce model? (Unlikely)
Dave Crupel I was a licensed A&P mechanic for thirty years. I graduated from The Northrop Institute of Technology the same year Kennedy was killed. My first job was working for Ted Smith Aircraft. I worked as an airframe sheet metal and structural mechanic for about a year and a half. We produced the first Aerostar twin engine executive aircraft which at the time was the fastest executive aircraft built. Ted Smith was the designer of the B-25 Mitchell bomber among other well known aircraft. That was cutting edge A&P work.
My story, I was 6 years old in 1958 when my family left Wheelus AFB, North Africa on a MAC US AIR FORCE Connie bound for for Kessler AFB, Mississippi with a stop in Bermuda. I have always remembered this plane because of its distinct tail and graceful appearance.
I lived in Pascoe Vale to the mid 1960’s when l was a kid, my brother & l would ride our bikes out to Essendon airport on the weekends and watch the planes land on the east-west runway their thru the cyclone wire fence about where the freeway is now and remember watching the Ansett and TAA convairs land & take-off also the constellations, we used to ride right up to near the main terminal and literally watch the DC-6s start up with their grouse sounding engines like a lumpy cam whilst idling from what seemed just a few feet away! Back home we were not far from the flight path and from our backyard remember watching the constellations on final approach and used to see what seemed quite regularly an engine shut down and coming in on three engines! All this and must not forget the Bristol freighters and Brain & Browns cargo DC-4’s
Excellent video, super work and two wonderful planes, thank you very much for sharing. The Super Constellation is the most beautiful and elegant plane that the human made to date.
Everything today is so ruthlessly efficient and homogeneous. Those swoops and curves on the Connie would never survive today’s design committees. Pride in making something beautiful rather than just functional is missing these days
Altenholz there is no sound like that of big radial aircraft engines slugging it out with the elements. Massive all consuming sound of thunder. I love it.
Richard Baker made the same flight back in the sixties many times in an Air Force C-97 four engine cargo plane. Going there took about 11 hours, coming back with a tail wind took about 10.5 hours. We left our base in California at sundown flying at an altitude of 8000 feet and landed at Hickam air base on the big island just as the sun was coming up, really beautiful sight. Night flying over the Pacific teaches you the meaning of the term 'pitch black dark'. Without the altimeter and auto pilot it would be easy to hit the water. The massive circular exhaust pipes glowed cherry red in the night. Half way across the Pacific is 'check point charley' which is a bouy ship anchored in place and lit up with tiny lights which are just visible in the night sky. The only light inside is the cockpit illumination which is blood red. The color red is supposed to lessen the effect of lightning flashes on the pilots vision.
That Convair looks a lot like the YS-11 freighter I was loadmaster on for Airborne Express. It had an awesome flight deck, bright steam powered gauges and a HUGE brightly colored Meatball. Loved that Japanese plane. This field looks very similar to Piarco International in Trinidad.
Hi Jack, sorry just now seeing this....yes we had both aircraft types in Madison, WI (MSN) where I worked. I’m sorry but I can’t recall the various pilots names we worked with. We also had some small twins (Cessnas) that we’re strictly regional. I believe I left Airborne sometime around 1990 or so due to a trucking freight franchise called Enterprise Express out of Chicago who took over the contract from corporate Airborne and eliminated the aviation unit. They promised to truck Airbornes freight for some crazy cheap numbers and immediately cut everybody’s pay in half. I left as my focus at that time was flying commercial airlines and I had retired from NavAir in late 87. The commercial aviation industry was laying off pilots at that time and my career counselor at Embry Riddle advised me to wait so that’s why I took the loadmaster job. Anyway lucky thing I didn’t incur the expense for ATP because my kidneys failed a few years later (autoimmune condition) and I would not have kept my ticket. Oh and Enterprise Express lasted one year, failed miserably and corporate took over the Madison office again bringing back the Av unit. I think they were eventually bought out by DHL or FED EX. If Jack Sr. came thru Madison then I probably met him at least in passing. I remember having great friendly conversations with all of our pilots about their careers and all things aviation. They all were of course building hours for the majors and flying regional freight is a tough gig! The Cessna guys had some crazy winter weather flying into locations like Iron Mountain, Michigan in the UP. The sad part was that as AM loadmaster and driving an afternoon delivery route I made a lot more money than many of those brave young pilots did. I always felt that was very very wrong. Kudos to your pops. I’m glad he got to do what he loved for a living! 😎
So awesome to see these kept flying. Convair made some damn good looking planes. Heck, that whole era...Convair, North American, Northrop, McDonnel Douglas, Lockheed ...just some ground-breaking beautiful aircraft. Sadly all those innovative companies couldn't survive being absorbed by the long reach of government contracts and mandates. Now you have 2 big boys and some subcontractors in the US. Kinda like the car market, most things flying today are incredibly homogenized. Almost no variety. Miss being able to lookup into the sky and really see some unique craft. Oh well...progress lol
I remember flying in an Allegheny Airlines 580 in the late 1960's from Washington DC to Philadelphia. I was seated in the row directly in line with the LH propeller and recall, and even at this late date that it was VERY loud, but still an enjoyable and quick flight.
this is what airplanes are supposed to sound like. fortunate to have seen hundreds of these taking off at McLellan AFB in Sacramento, along with the real globemaster, I love that era of flying.
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I have flown in the Connie, 707, 727, DC-10, L1011,747 between Johannesburg and UK and Back quite a few times before the newer replacements became standard. I was only a small kid on the 2 connie flights onboard SAA before they were phased out and replaced by the 707 and 727. My strongest memory of the 707 was it felt like forever before it left the ground 😂
Lived in Kansas City, grandfather worked on them when they flew for TWA. They have one in the downtown airport along with a museum. I saw her fly around..........simply beautiful aircraft. Left me speechless! I was able to watch my grandfather work on the rebuilt one. He always smiled when he pulled into the parking lot!
Dave F. Familiar with big radials, they are manually primed on start up. Not every cylinder gets the same amount of prime, some more, some less. But as the engine turns over an overloaded cylinder(or more) will hit its combustion cycle and let out a blast of orange flame. Poorly maintained engines do this almost every time.
The shutter speed of your camera is too high (which can be seen from the rotation of the propellers - no blur effect). Shutter speed must be just twice the frame rate of your footage and not more in order to achieve the blur effect on the propellers.
S. Pak . It may have been my father who flew you. Our Christmas plans that year were changed when he was called to duty for a government charter flight to bring Hungarians to Australia. Qantas had crews based in London back then. Great that so many were helped to escape.
@@lakebandit maybe that's why I came out almost two weeks late it was a bumpy ride to freedom and I wanted to catch up on some sleep. When people ask me where I'm from I just tell them "made in Hungary born in the USA.
It’s cool when a legend can be seen and heard live. In Russia, it is very difficult for enthusiasts to maintain such aircraft. The legendary polar aircraft Il-14 can be counted on the fingers of one hand. One or two living airplanes they have. I watched the video, there is even an IL-2 that flies. And work is underway to restore the Mi-4 piston powered helicopter.
It's only a small regional airport, so no airport fire service there. There is a local NSW Rural Fire Service Control Centre (bush fires) and a NSW Fire and Rescue (urban fires) training facility on the airport property, but they would be quite used to the behaviour of the HARS aircraft.
I was told years ago, that it was called a connie, because the navigator used a skylight built in the plane to guide off of the constellations? Edit, thank you for posting.
Len David Hart I grew up a few miles from Burbank California where the connies were built in the early fifties. It has the most graceful airframe design I have ever seen.
These big engines used over a gallon of oil an hour. When they shut down oil drained to the bottom of the engine and into the supercharger. This was a very normal start if the airplane had sat for awhile. I have about 1500 hours flying the 440 and over 10,000 in the 580
Ontario Senior 77 spent four years working on C-97 cargo planes in the Air Guard, 63 thru 66. Powered by P&W R-4360s. Worked as a flight line mechanic clearing up squawks written up by the pilot on its last flight. I was a licensed A&P mechanic as a civilian working for Ted Smith Aviation building the prototype Aerostar twin engine executive 6 place aircraft, which at the time was the fastest prop driven executive aircraft in the world. Most of my work on the C-97s was on the engines as they required quite a bit of regular maintenance and leaked so much oil, which was normal, that we needed to pull the cowling off and check to make sure the engines hadn't sprung an oil leak somewhere. They also ate starter motors. Cranking the 4360 through the necessary prop rotations prior to starting with switches off and then with switches on for start really heated up the starters. It was a real project to remove and replace the starters. We flew from California to Viet Nam via Hawaii and Japan and back three or four times a week. 146Th. Air Transport Squadron out of Van Nuys Municipal airport. Our squadron had about 20 planes in constant rotation. They have all been scrapped at Davis Monthan air base out in the Mojave desert.
18 cyl per engine...2 spark plugs per cyl...that’s 144 spark plugs to check for the engineer on the old crt ocyilliscope as a pre flight check. Not to mention the magnetos.
Two great restored aircraft and a nice video....spoiled only by the digitising effect of modern cameras which give a stopped or slow-motion effect to the props. I HATE that!
Connie starts with #4 engine, while in dozens of other videos I have seen, they all started with #3. Wonder why? The Connie was the Marilyn Monroe/Rita Hayworth of aircraft design.
HARS was very interesting. The guided tour was very informative. Looking forward to 1 hour on the flight deck of the Qantas 747-400 City of Canberra going through the systems of the 747-400 with a 747 pilot.
artsietopology The same question arises with any four engined aircraft. The four engine C-97 cargo plane started 1-4-3-2. Inboard of #2 was the first level drop down entry and exit stairs. Inboard of #3 was a massive second level cargo door. By starting #1 & #4 the pilot left the only two means of safe escape from the aircraft accessible to all those on board. Over both wings were emergency exit doors and they too were left useable. I flew in them many times. The sequence seemed reasonable to me.
Well,I'm listening to this with an ear bud, left channel only. i found the Convair to be SPOT ON, I know since i maintained Convair 340/440's for quite a few years. The Convair has a unique sound at idle. I really enjoyed the DC-6 though, short exhaust and no muffler like the Convair... CHEERS!
Great job!. Brilliant images, backgrounds and sounds. Here, you've captured the sounds, images, character and essence of these two aeroplanes. Each are different, but in many ways are the same. Curves of design, (Oh Connie!), airframe, engine start up smoke, sound of radials, and so much more. HARS, THANK YOU. What you do, you do SO WELL!.
Paul Stewart I flew over the Pacific a number of times in C-97 cargo planes. On start up the engines could cloud out the aircrafts image. By the time it taxied to take off the smoke had disappeared. Once you experience the massive thunder and acceleration on take off you trust the plane to get you across the Pacific.
The Connie is one sexy beast, and the Convair is a well proven prop liner, but it won't keep pace with the connie in the air. Overall with it's P&W engines the Convair is probably more reliable thou.
AIRMAN BEAR worked four years on three thousand hp radials (R-4360s). They are not built to tight tolerances as part of the design. All radials smoke on start. Old poorly maintained radials (there are a lot of them in South America) lay out a smoke screen from start up to landing and fall out of the sky on a regular basis, but they are very cheap and parts are everywhere, especially in the Brazilian jungles where the plane made its last landing.
I remember we used to go over and check out this connie when it was parked at the jet base in mascot when we had nothing to do, oil leaks over the place.
Everyone who helps to keep these aircraft flying is a HERO. Respect.
mrhearse777 And also everyone who DARES to fly this plane is a hero
Well spoken
That would be my dad! His project is the vampire.
abselutly these classic planes need to be preserved ,you just cant appreciate these machines until you actually see one up close or fly on one.
The Connie Crew are MY Heros. ruclips.net/video/FhDDT1EZdgc/видео.html
Constellation is just so beautiful. It, the 707, and the the Concorde transcend the functional and utilitarian and are art. Beautiful when standing still, the act of flight transforms them into something magical
Bernard Boka nicely worded
Bernard Boka I grew up only a few miles from the factory where the Constellations were produced. My father would take me to the airport and I would look through the fence into the lot where they kept the almost finished airframes. I was about ten years old. It was my favorite airplane then and aside from the SR 71 it still is at the top of my list.
@@timmayer8723 what a wonderful memory. From a far more civilized time than today.
Two beautiful aircraft, great to see them still flying. Magnificent team at HARS performs magic.
I miss flying the Convair. She was a great bird in my mind. Was flying N4813C from KBWI to KCLT the night Palm 90 went into the Potomac river. She got us down and back,albeit a little cold.
I really enjoy the videos of old radials, wish you could add the smell. Thanks for posting.
Magnificent HARS " Connie " is the most gracious Old Girl in the air...nice to see the Convair in action also.
Hi Folks , it's been many years since I came to your air show's at Albion Park , but i still have fond memories of them as well & Picture's of the Awesome Aircraft , I even remember as a Member of 4th/19 Prince of Wales's Light Horse ( R.A.A.C. ) my first flight in a Carabou from East Sale R.A.A.F to Puckapunyal Military Base ( Vic ) , your aircraft are bringing back those memories and the fantasic time I had with the Royal Australian Amoured Corps and the awesome work you people do to restore the Aviation part of everyone's lives !!
Beautifull C 131B , Flew one for 14 years in Lower California . Mexico
Nothing compares to Flying a Radial Aircraft. Absolutely Fantastic Aircrafts.
Made Proudly in the United States.
I worked two years converting convair 440 and 880 models tô turbo prop power. I jig built the engine nacelles which were made from stainless steel. I could turn out two nacelles in one day if I really moved along. I worked for Hollywood aviation in Los Angeles as a sheet metal mechanic.
What engines would go in those Nacelles?
Dave Crupel they were turbine engines, not sure what make. We also did the same conversions to some privately owned D.C.-3s which turned them into tricycle landing gear aircraft instead of tail draggers.
@@timmayer8723 i know they were turbine engines. Not to sound like a smartass, but i read your comment, and know what a "turbo prop" is. Im a big aviation nerd and an in-training A&P.
Im asking you what model engine.
A PW 100 or 150?
A T58?
Some Rolls Royce model? (Unlikely)
Dave Crupel T-56 and the Rolls Royce dart.
Dave Crupel I was a licensed A&P mechanic for thirty years. I graduated from The Northrop Institute of Technology the same year Kennedy was killed. My first job was working for Ted Smith Aircraft. I worked as an airframe sheet metal and structural mechanic for about a year and a half. We produced the first Aerostar twin engine executive aircraft which at the time was the fastest executive aircraft built. Ted Smith was the designer of the B-25 Mitchell bomber among other well known aircraft. That was cutting edge A&P work.
My story, I was 6 years old in 1958 when my family left Wheelus AFB, North Africa on a MAC US AIR FORCE Connie bound for for Kessler AFB, Mississippi with a stop in Bermuda. I have always remembered this plane because of its distinct tail and graceful appearance.
I lived in Pascoe Vale to the mid 1960’s when l was a kid, my brother & l would ride our bikes out to Essendon airport on the weekends and watch the planes land on the east-west runway their thru the cyclone wire fence about where the freeway is now and remember watching the Ansett and TAA convairs land & take-off also the constellations, we used to ride right up to near the main terminal and literally watch the DC-6s start up with their grouse sounding engines like a lumpy cam whilst idling from what seemed just a few feet away! Back home we were not far from the flight path and from our backyard remember watching the constellations on final approach and used to see what seemed quite regularly an engine shut down and coming in on three engines! All this and must not forget the Bristol freighters and Brain & Browns cargo DC-4’s
Beautiful plane! I was a radar tech on EC-121s, '66-'70.
I was a weapons tech on the Connie in the 963rd.
Excellent video, super work and two wonderful planes, thank you very much for sharing. The Super Constellation is the most beautiful and elegant plane that the human made to date.
The older i get, the more i love those kind of planes :-)
So do I..... But Connie has been my secret love for a long time !
Everything today is so ruthlessly efficient and homogeneous. Those swoops and curves on the Connie would never survive today’s design committees. Pride in making something beautiful rather than just functional is missing these days
Altenholz there is no sound like that of big radial aircraft engines slugging it out with the elements. Massive all consuming sound of thunder. I love it.
The Convair purrs like a kitten. Love the big fuel-rich and oily starts of radials that haven't been started in a while...awesome!
...indeed a lovely sound. Used to remember them flying out of MKE for North Central before they were all converted to 580s.
I’m pretty sure there would be corrosion inhibitors in those cylinders making the start so smokey.
@@FutureSystem738 no inhibitors, its just the oil.
Connie, how I love, how I love, dear Old Connie! Great video, thanks. Hope my partiality does not show too much!
Flew from California to Honolulu in '59 aboard one of these. Loooong flight.
Richard Baker made the same flight back in the sixties many times in an Air Force C-97 four engine cargo plane. Going there took about 11 hours, coming back with a tail wind took about 10.5 hours. We left our base in California at sundown flying at an altitude of 8000 feet and landed at Hickam air base on the big island just as the sun was coming up, really beautiful sight. Night flying over the Pacific teaches you the meaning of the term 'pitch black dark'. Without the altimeter and auto pilot it would be easy to hit the water. The massive circular exhaust pipes glowed cherry red in the night. Half way across the Pacific is 'check point charley' which is a bouy ship anchored in place and lit up with tiny lights which are just visible in the night sky. The only light inside is the cockpit illumination which is blood red. The color red is supposed to lessen the effect of lightning flashes on the pilots vision.
That Convair looks a lot like the YS-11 freighter I was loadmaster on for Airborne Express. It had an awesome flight deck, bright steam powered gauges and a HUGE brightly colored Meatball. Loved that Japanese plane.
This field looks very similar to Piarco International in Trinidad.
Dominique maybe you knew my dad Jack Doyle Sr. Flew for Airborne in the '80s and '90s in YS-11's and DC-9's.
Hi Jack, sorry just now seeing this....yes we had both aircraft types in Madison, WI (MSN) where I worked. I’m sorry but I can’t recall the various pilots names we worked with. We also had some small twins (Cessnas) that we’re strictly regional. I believe I left Airborne sometime around 1990 or so due to a trucking freight franchise called Enterprise Express out of Chicago who took over the contract from corporate Airborne and eliminated the aviation unit. They promised to truck Airbornes freight for some crazy cheap numbers and immediately cut everybody’s pay in half. I left as my focus at that time was flying commercial airlines and I had retired from NavAir in late 87. The commercial aviation industry was laying off pilots at that time and my career counselor at Embry Riddle advised me to wait so that’s why I took the loadmaster job. Anyway lucky thing I didn’t incur the expense for ATP because my kidneys failed a few years later (autoimmune condition) and I would not have kept my ticket. Oh and Enterprise Express lasted one year, failed miserably and corporate took over the Madison office again bringing back the Av unit. I think they were eventually bought out by DHL or FED EX. If Jack Sr. came thru Madison then I probably met him at least in passing. I remember having great friendly conversations with all of our pilots about their careers and all things aviation. They all were of course building hours for the majors and flying regional freight is a tough gig! The Cessna guys had some crazy winter weather flying into locations like Iron Mountain, Michigan in the UP. The sad part was that as AM loadmaster and driving an afternoon delivery route I made a lot more money than many of those brave young pilots did. I always felt that was very very wrong. Kudos to your pops. I’m glad he got to do what he loved for a living! 😎
I wish both audio channels worked on this vid, but i sure love to watch these beautiful airplanes still flying.
Trabalhei muito com eles, o 240 e o 340. Esses aviões eram o máximo, boa recordação.
So awesome to see these kept flying. Convair made some damn good looking planes. Heck, that whole era...Convair, North American, Northrop, McDonnel Douglas, Lockheed ...just some ground-breaking beautiful aircraft. Sadly all those innovative companies couldn't survive being absorbed by the long reach of government contracts and mandates. Now you have 2 big boys and some subcontractors in the US. Kinda like the car market, most things flying today are incredibly homogenized. Almost no variety. Miss being able to lookup into the sky and really see some unique craft. Oh well...progress lol
Flew on a Super Connie back in 1953 to Love field Dallas, Texas. We started in Rio De Janeiro, landed at Quito and Lima, then Havana, then Dallas.
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My late father flew on one from Logan to O Hare to Tucson in 1959..he always talked about that airplane.
If I recall correctly, those 440's became pretty peppy when converted to turbo's and became 580's.
I remember flying in an Allegheny Airlines 580 in the late 1960's from Washington DC to Philadelphia. I was seated in the row directly in line with the LH propeller and recall, and even at this late date that it was VERY loud, but still an enjoyable and quick flight.
Good concept. Can see the nascent concept of the 737 in it.
That smoke on start up isn't pollution....that's horsepower !!! Nothing sounds better than a radial piston engine. Pure symphony.
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this is what airplanes are supposed to sound like. fortunate to have seen hundreds of these taking off at McLellan AFB in Sacramento, along with the real globemaster, I love that era of flying.
I flew the Connie out of McClellan for many years, until we closed the 552nd down in 1976.
What is that puff of smoke (looks like left side,near gear) at the 6:57 point?
Dan R It was a puddle of water on the runway.
The sound alone...amazing. When things used to be fun and entertaining
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What is that screeching noise coming from the Connie at 4:10?
my left ear really enjoyed the vid!
The Constellation is such a beautiful aircraft.
The Connie looks like a dolphin with it's turned down tail etc...lovely planes...thanks.
These old planes are still beautiful.
I have flown in the Connie, 707, 727, DC-10, L1011,747 between Johannesburg and UK and Back quite a few times before the newer replacements became standard. I was only a small kid on the 2 connie flights onboard SAA before they were phased out and replaced by the 707 and 727. My strongest memory of the 707 was it felt like forever before it left the ground 😂
Lived in Kansas City, grandfather worked on them when they flew for TWA. They have one in the downtown airport along with a museum. I saw her fly around..........simply beautiful aircraft. Left me speechless! I was able to watch my grandfather work on the rebuilt one. He always smiled when he pulled into the parking lot!
Terry Williamson hello, that would be a SUPER ‘G’. in TWA LIVERY, fund raising ‘save a connie ‘. Cheers From NJ. USA🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Fabulous! It's wonderful what HARS is doing.
As a boy i had a flight in such a Lufthansa Convair!
boy did you see the shot of fire from the #4 left outboard engine at 10:13 ? normal?
Expfighter ExpScout Completely normal. They’re known for it. In fact, at night they are an amazing sight to see.
@@1218omaroo didn't know that
Expfighter ExpScout Just look for “Constellation flames” on RUclips :)
@@1218omaroo I did, and wouldn't that indicate that the engines are running alittle too rich on fuel?
Wright R-3350’s were known for it. It’s not an operational issue.
Right about 10:13, the o/b PRT on #1 instantaneously throws out a great big orange flame.
Dave F. Familiar with big radials, they are manually primed on start up. Not every cylinder gets the same amount of prime, some more, some less. But as the engine turns over an overloaded cylinder(or more) will hit its combustion cycle and let out a blast of orange flame. Poorly maintained engines do this almost every time.
Are those Grimes extendable landing lights on the Connie's wings?!
This old airplane actually has been converted with turboprops and many of these already now have the turboprops on them today.
The shutter speed of your camera is too high (which can be seen from the rotation of the propellers - no blur effect). Shutter speed must be just twice the frame rate of your footage and not more in order to achieve the blur effect on the propellers.
Just love those big old smokey radial engines 👍
Nice pair of old piston birds.
Lovely❤😎👍!
Flew on one but don't remember it because my mom was six months pregnant with me leaving Hungary in 1956.
S. Pak . It may have been my father who flew you. Our Christmas plans that year were changed when he was called to duty for a government charter flight to bring Hungarians to Australia. Qantas had crews based in London back then. Great that so many were helped to escape.
@@lakebandit maybe that's why I came out almost two weeks late it was a bumpy ride to freedom and I wanted to catch up on some sleep. When people ask me where I'm from I just tell them "made in Hungary born in the USA.
It’s cool when a legend can be seen and heard live. In Russia, it is very difficult for enthusiasts to maintain such aircraft. The legendary polar aircraft Il-14 can be counted on the fingers of one hand. One or two living airplanes they have. I watched the video, there is even an IL-2 that flies. And work is underway to restore the Mi-4 piston powered helicopter.
Glib Kogut Russia has built many amazing and beautiful aircraft. Much respect.
In Rah-Shah, Aircraft restore YOU!!
Such great footage! I do love Connie!
Those are some great looking planes!
Do they have to warn the fire station in advance so that they don't bring the equipment out in response to all the smoke?
It's only a small regional airport, so no airport fire service there. There is a local NSW Rural Fire Service Control Centre (bush fires) and a NSW Fire and Rescue (urban fires) training facility on the airport property, but they would be quite used to the behaviour of the HARS aircraft.
I was told years ago, that it was called a connie, because the navigator used a skylight built in the plane to guide off of the constellations?
Edit, thank you for posting.
Len David Hart I grew up a few miles from Burbank California where the connies were built in the early fifties. It has the most graceful airframe design I have ever seen.
Looks like a lot of room on the airport as far as runway and land area !
Lots of noise, smoke, and FIRE. Guzzlin a lotta fuel just sittin out there on the tarmac.
I imagine they were flying unladen for the most part, but both old girls got right on off the ground. Good job.
Wich plane is that sitting behind the Connie?
Darn Connie idling drowned out the sound of the Convair taking off!
My Dad piloted a few of these in the Navy.
Are these planes still flying commercial flights? I really would like to book a flight.
The R2800's make quite a lot of smoke, I remember them starting up with less of this.
Connies are 3350`s...
These big engines used over a gallon of oil an hour. When they shut down oil drained to the bottom of the engine and into the supercharger. This was a very normal start if the airplane had sat for awhile. I have about 1500 hours flying the 440 and over 10,000 in the 580
Ontario Senior 77 spent four years working on C-97 cargo planes in the Air Guard, 63 thru 66. Powered by P&W R-4360s. Worked as a flight line mechanic clearing up squawks written up by the pilot on its last flight. I was a licensed A&P mechanic as a civilian working for Ted Smith Aviation building the prototype Aerostar twin engine executive 6 place aircraft, which at the time was the fastest prop driven executive aircraft in the world. Most of my work on the C-97s was on the engines as they required quite a bit of regular maintenance and leaked so much oil, which was normal, that we needed to pull the cowling off and check to make sure the engines hadn't sprung an oil leak somewhere. They also ate starter motors. Cranking the 4360 through the necessary prop rotations prior to starting with switches off and then with switches on for start really heated up the starters. It was a real project to remove and replace the starters. We flew from California to Viet Nam via Hawaii and Japan and back three or four times a week. 146Th. Air Transport Squadron out of Van Nuys Municipal airport. Our squadron had about 20 planes in constant rotation. They have all been scrapped at Davis Monthan air base out in the Mojave desert.
Is that Connie's brakes squealing like that?
We need an ANA vintage DC 3 to complete this,as in Ansett ANA
Nice prop planes ! the Queen of the skies will always be the Boeing 707 .... she ruled the skies back in the day ...
Looks like Albion Park airport Illawarra
What happened to the Convair? Didn't see it at Avalon
It had engine trouble shortly after takeoff and had to return to HARS at Albion Park
18 cyl per engine...2 spark plugs per cyl...that’s 144 spark plugs to check for the engineer on the old crt ocyilliscope as a pre flight check. Not to mention the magnetos.
Found a lot of "double shorted secondary's" on run-up. 😁😁
que maravillas de aviones .... el sonido de estos motores me fascina
Awesome, congratulations for share !!!
Great video
They are NOT 'HEROS". In their circumstance, they are not 'hero's, just very dedicated, focussed, gallant people!.
Two great restored aircraft and a nice video....spoiled only by the digitising effect of modern cameras which give a stopped or slow-motion effect to the props. I HATE that!
great stuff.....thanks
Connie starts with #4 engine, while in dozens of other videos I have seen, they all started with #3. Wonder why? The Connie was the Marilyn Monroe/Rita Hayworth of aircraft design.
Just gorgeous !
HARS was very interesting. The guided tour was very informative. Looking forward to 1 hour on the flight deck of the Qantas 747-400 City of Canberra going through the systems of the 747-400 with a 747 pilot.
Experienced to watch C-121 to take off from Honk Kong Airport around year 1948 while I was a 8 year old kid.
Looked like a flapless takeoff from the Convair?
Isn't 3-4-2-1 the usual start-up sequence for the Connies rather than the 4-3-2-1 done here?
artsietopology The same question arises with any four engined aircraft. The four engine C-97 cargo plane started 1-4-3-2. Inboard of #2 was the first level drop down entry and exit stairs. Inboard of #3 was a massive second level cargo door. By starting #1 & #4 the pilot left the only two means of safe escape from the aircraft accessible to all those on board. Over both wings were emergency exit doors and they too were left useable. I flew in them many times. The sequence seemed reasonable to me.
Super constelletion e luxo só.
Estos eran verdareros aviones manejados por verdaderos pilotos, no lo que vemos ahora que una computadora te lleva a tu destino.
the heart of the engine was my job
Fantastic airplanes.
Great, non-PC clouds of oil smoke and blasts of EPA-offending orange flames. LOVE IT!
They should can that beautiful aromatic smoke . Chanel number 5 no thank you,
Is she a 1649?
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Nice Birds!!!
Excellent video cheers 🤣
The audio on this is terrible and why the left side,of this?Audio should be left and right channels period.
Terrible thing they did with the audio. The sound of those radials is something beyond wonderful. They killed it here.
Well,I'm listening to this with an ear bud, left channel only. i found the Convair to be SPOT ON, I know since i maintained Convair 340/440's for quite a few years. The Convair has a unique sound at idle. I really enjoyed the DC-6 though, short exhaust and no muffler like the Convair... CHEERS!
Great job!. Brilliant images, backgrounds and sounds. Here, you've captured the sounds, images, character and essence of these two aeroplanes. Each are different, but in many ways are the same. Curves of design, (Oh Connie!), airframe, engine start up smoke, sound of radials, and so much more. HARS, THANK YOU. What you do, you do SO WELL!.
WOW you would not feel comfortable flying one of those over the pacific ocean if you saw those engines starting! :)
" Connie " can fly me any where, Flames or not...she magnificent :-)
All normal Paul :)
Paul Stewart I flew over the Pacific a number of times in C-97 cargo planes. On start up the engines could cloud out the aircrafts image. By the time it taxied to take off the smoke had disappeared. Once you experience the massive thunder and acceleration on take off you trust the plane to get you across the Pacific.
Those port side engines looked a mess on Sunday afternoon at Avalon. I think she was leaking more oil than she was burning.
Runs on a total loss oil system
Connie burns 2 gallons of oil per hour.....24 gall oil tanks x4, ran out of oil before she runs out of fuel :) in the old days ;)
With radials, if it ain't leaking it means you've got no oil.
beauties!!
When starting it has 4 engines. When it takes off it has only two enegines.
I guess you know it's two different planes.
A pity her sister in South Africa crashed before going to the Netherlands.
The Connie is one sexy beast, and the Convair is a well proven prop liner, but it won't keep pace with the connie in the air. Overall with it's P&W engines the Convair is probably more reliable thou.
Che Ricordi!!!!!
WHY SO MUCH SMOKE ON STARTUP????????
Oil rings are fked I’m guessing
They always smoked that way, a result of the radial design and oil pooling in the lower cylinders. Once running the burn heaps of oil for lubrication.
AIRMAN BEAR worked four years on three thousand hp radials (R-4360s). They are not built to tight tolerances as part of the design. All radials smoke on start. Old poorly maintained radials (there are a lot of them in South America) lay out a smoke screen from start up to landing and fall out of the sky on a regular basis, but they are very cheap and parts are everywhere, especially in the Brazilian jungles where the plane made its last landing.
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Esse de dois motores tem o fundo feio.
Poor ol' Connie's got arthritis. She cried for the better part of her taxing to the runway. Though she sure is pretty hot for her age I must say! 😂
Oil rings are shot
Gus M it does look that way, but radials were built to loose tolerances and without exception all radial engines smoke some.
There an environmental disaster! Just look at the pollution from those relics!
I remember we used to go over and check out this connie when it was parked at the jet base in mascot when we had nothing to do, oil leaks over the place.