I’m very spiritual, I just don’t believe in organized churches. They gave do many rules created by human men that strengthen their own beliefs. I can still remember when I had my concrete, undeniable belief in God and therefore Jesus. I was an adult in my 40s.
Like your style of not being patronizing and looks like a reasonable attempt at critical argumentation. The free-will in heaven argument is also interesting in that free-will can exist in heaven without people wanting to commit evil acts or "evil beliefs".
Men has distracted and polluted the purest of waters..Heaven and Hell is the same place...All shall endear heaven..then hell is experienced, the worst part is its not the Father you must worry of...for you can't hide from your own truths..and when faced with the consequences our words and actions have on others, it's beyond humbling..my last thoughts where..If there was a lake of fire, I'd gladly toss myself into it...I didn't deserve the love ,compassion coming from them I hurt so badly, often without even knowing so careless was my words and actions at times
God wants us to love him with all of our heart. That means he doesn’t force his love on us. He wants us to love him. We have free will to choose to love him or not. I it’s not love if it’s forced. That’s why we have free will. Personally, I choose to love him because he is my creator and my Lord and Savior. Hopefully this makes some sense to anyone reading this.
Some thoughts regarding this video: 1: God knows all potential outcomes, but he doesn't know which one you will pick. How can God become angry or sad with people if he already knows what they will do? That would be a sign of insanity. God is "all-knowing" in that every potential choice we will ever make is "known" in the way that we know every possible outcome of a plinko board. With that knowledge, God has a plan and a response already in mind for each. Knowing what you have to do in response to someone's decisions is not the same as "predestine-ing" every choice. 2: Humans are not "predestined" for either salvation or damnation. If that WERE the case, God is a tyrant and not worth worshipping. I would be an atheist as well. Each person is created in the "image" of God like a shadow. He cast his spirit on us as the "breath of life" and we live with the choice to create a world either in accordance with him (righteousness) or against him (sin). God created the universe, and we create our lives within it. To love God is to seek to work in unison with him. All are technically "predestined" for salvation in that God is patient and created us specifically for a relationship with him. 3: Cain and Abel were never stated to be the first children of Adam and Eve. Cain feared other people who would kill him for his sin. In the very least, he had other brothers and sisters. There may have been more humans created by God as brides and husbands for Adam and Eve's children. In some sense, it could have been in an "Israelites" fashion where God created Adam and Eve as his "chosen" people and others as the nations whom Adam and Eve were to be ambassadors to. I don't necessarily choose that view, but it is an option.
@@mattr.1887 Can you disprove it? The burden of proof is on the accuser, and 6 mere words carry nothing of an argument. But for the sake of adding to what I already said... Section 1: Jesus predicted Peter would deny him 3 times. Quite improbable. (Luke 22:34, 54-62) God knew that outcome was absolute and predicted it. He did not cause it. Just like he predicted Judas' betrayal. (Matthew 26:21-23) in the same vein, if he knew ALL things as ABSOLUTE, why would he beg God to "let this cup pass from me?" (Matthew 26:39) Jesus was also astounded by the faith of the Centurion (Matthew 8:10). How can an all-knowing being be surprised? Thus, God knows ALL probabilities, but not ALL outcomes. At a certain point some outcomes are guaranteed by us choosing ourselves into a "corner" of sorts. Also, is it God's will for children to die in mass casualty events? What about abortions? Random accidents? When is it OUR fault and not God's? It's a very important distinction to make as this line of thought causes a lot of people to abandon their faith. See also OT prophecies and both fulfilled and relented disasters. (Curse of Jericho, Isaiah 6:26 and 1 Kings 16:34.) Jeremiah 23:24. Daniel 2:28. God is everywhere always and can reveal future events. He has a plan that cannot be thwarted, but we are free to move between the lines he has drawn. Also reference Jonah. Section 2: Again, Jonah. If the people of the city had not CHOSEN to turn away from sin, they would have been destroyed. Their righteousness saved them. See in contrast to the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. (Genesis 18:16-33) God was willing to relent of the disaster if righteous people were found. Was he mocking Abraham by making up those numbers? Those people chose to defy God, and even arrogantly shoved it in his face when the angels came to warn Lot. (See Nebuchadnezzar's arrogant heir who lost Babylon overnight. Daniel 5:30) To err is human, but to be haughty about it when God has specifically revealed truth to you is when God is no longer patient. (Matthew 12:36-37, 41) you will give an account for every evil deed when you stand before judgement. Even the Ninevites who were "destined" to die will rise up and accuse sinners before God. (John 5:19-20) All judgement has been granted to Christ. Again, Moses is an accuser before our judgement. Finally, (2 Peter 3:9-10) God is patient not wanting any to perish but for all to come to repentance. God does not strike down people without good reason. It's the nuclear option when people are SO FAR GONE that even a miracle in front of their face isn't enough to sway their hatred and sin. In the judgement days, Christ is judging us as we give an account for all of our evil deeds, and those around us will be our accusers in court. Ninevites, Moses, likely the apostles and early Christians, and many from our current era. Perhaps even people you know or have known? Who knows... That is a mystery we will one day find out. Section 3: As I wrote, it's largely a hypothesis. In Genesis 3, Adam calls Eve the, "mother of all living", so she had to have been a mother already, yes? The plants and animals predated her by at least a wide enough margin for Adam to have named every living creature so it can't be them he's referring to. The curse of the fail specifically enhanced the "pangs of childbirth", but what comparison is there if she hadn't already done so? Cain and Abel were the first we are told about after their expulsion from the garden but it does not mean they were born at that exact time. Shortly after Abel's murder when Cain is exiled, it is mentioned that he also had a wife. Where did she come from? Is she a younger sister or another "bone of my bone" situation? The end of chapter 3 mentions God driving out all of the people from the garden, so that also implies there may have been more. Seth came well after the death of Abel as his naming specifically references that event. Were there any in the interim? How old was Cain when he became a murderer? How old was Abel at that moment? I don't adhere to these hypotheses rigidly, but it's an interesting thought exercise.
We’re not sure if Origen was a a universalist. He made a lot of enemies in the church who blackened his name after he died. In one of his writings he in fact denied this charge.
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I pray I could explain doctrine as efficient as Dr Conway
I’m very spiritual, I just don’t believe in organized churches. They gave do many rules created by human men that strengthen their own beliefs. I can still remember when I had my concrete, undeniable belief in God and therefore Jesus. I was an adult in my 40s.
Like your style of not being patronizing and looks like a reasonable attempt at critical argumentation. The free-will in heaven argument is also interesting in that free-will can exist in heaven without people wanting to commit evil acts or "evil beliefs".
Men has distracted and polluted the purest of waters..Heaven and Hell is the same place...All shall endear heaven..then hell is experienced, the worst part is its not the Father you must worry of...for you can't hide from your own truths..and when faced with the consequences our words and actions have on others, it's beyond humbling..my last thoughts where..If there was a lake of fire, I'd gladly toss myself into it...I didn't deserve the love ,compassion coming from them I hurt so badly, often without even knowing so careless was my words and actions at times
Love ya pastor Bobby your excellent in your calling
God wants us to love him with all of our heart. That means he doesn’t force his love on us. He wants us to love him. We have free will to choose to love him or not. I it’s not love if it’s forced. That’s why we have free will. Personally, I choose to love him because he is my creator and my Lord and Savior. Hopefully this makes some sense to anyone reading this.
So God needs our permission to save us?
Would not a short-term torment in hell cheapen the eternal value of heaven?
How would that cheapen it?
Some thoughts regarding this video:
1: God knows all potential outcomes, but he doesn't know which one you will pick. How can God become angry or sad with people if he already knows what they will do? That would be a sign of insanity. God is "all-knowing" in that every potential choice we will ever make is "known" in the way that we know every possible outcome of a plinko board. With that knowledge, God has a plan and a response already in mind for each. Knowing what you have to do in response to someone's decisions is not the same as "predestine-ing" every choice.
2: Humans are not "predestined" for either salvation or damnation. If that WERE the case, God is a tyrant and not worth worshipping. I would be an atheist as well. Each person is created in the "image" of God like a shadow. He cast his spirit on us as the "breath of life" and we live with the choice to create a world either in accordance with him (righteousness) or against him (sin). God created the universe, and we create our lives within it. To love God is to seek to work in unison with him. All are technically "predestined" for salvation in that God is patient and created us specifically for a relationship with him.
3: Cain and Abel were never stated to be the first children of Adam and Eve. Cain feared other people who would kill him for his sin. In the very least, he had other brothers and sisters. There may have been more humans created by God as brides and husbands for Adam and Eve's children. In some sense, it could have been in an "Israelites" fashion where God created Adam and Eve as his "chosen" people and others as the nations whom Adam and Eve were to be ambassadors to. I don't necessarily choose that view, but it is an option.
@@mattr.1887 Can you disprove it? The burden of proof is on the accuser, and 6 mere words carry nothing of an argument.
But for the sake of adding to what I already said...
Section 1:
Jesus predicted Peter would deny him 3 times. Quite improbable. (Luke 22:34, 54-62) God knew that outcome was absolute and predicted it. He did not cause it. Just like he predicted Judas' betrayal. (Matthew 26:21-23) in the same vein, if he knew ALL things as ABSOLUTE, why would he beg God to "let this cup pass from me?" (Matthew 26:39) Jesus was also astounded by the faith of the Centurion (Matthew 8:10). How can an all-knowing being be surprised? Thus, God knows ALL probabilities, but not ALL outcomes. At a certain point some outcomes are guaranteed by us choosing ourselves into a "corner" of sorts. Also, is it God's will for children to die in mass casualty events? What about abortions? Random accidents? When is it OUR fault and not God's? It's a very important distinction to make as this line of thought causes a lot of people to abandon their faith.
See also OT prophecies and both fulfilled and relented disasters. (Curse of Jericho, Isaiah 6:26 and 1 Kings 16:34.) Jeremiah 23:24. Daniel 2:28. God is everywhere always and can reveal future events. He has a plan that cannot be thwarted, but we are free to move between the lines he has drawn.
Also reference Jonah.
Section 2:
Again, Jonah. If the people of the city had not CHOSEN to turn away from sin, they would have been destroyed. Their righteousness saved them. See in contrast to the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. (Genesis 18:16-33) God was willing to relent of the disaster if righteous people were found. Was he mocking Abraham by making up those numbers? Those people chose to defy God, and even arrogantly shoved it in his face when the angels came to warn Lot. (See Nebuchadnezzar's arrogant heir who lost Babylon overnight. Daniel 5:30) To err is human, but to be haughty about it when God has specifically revealed truth to you is when God is no longer patient.
(Matthew 12:36-37, 41) you will give an account for every evil deed when you stand before judgement. Even the Ninevites who were "destined" to die will rise up and accuse sinners before God. (John 5:19-20) All judgement has been granted to Christ. Again, Moses is an accuser before our judgement. Finally, (2 Peter 3:9-10) God is patient not wanting any to perish but for all to come to repentance. God does not strike down people without good reason. It's the nuclear option when people are SO FAR GONE that even a miracle in front of their face isn't enough to sway their hatred and sin. In the judgement days, Christ is judging us as we give an account for all of our evil deeds, and those around us will be our accusers in court. Ninevites, Moses, likely the apostles and early Christians, and many from our current era. Perhaps even people you know or have known? Who knows... That is a mystery we will one day find out.
Section 3:
As I wrote, it's largely a hypothesis. In Genesis 3, Adam calls Eve the, "mother of all living", so she had to have been a mother already, yes? The plants and animals predated her by at least a wide enough margin for Adam to have named every living creature so it can't be them he's referring to. The curse of the fail specifically enhanced the "pangs of childbirth", but what comparison is there if she hadn't already done so? Cain and Abel were the first we are told about after their expulsion from the garden but it does not mean they were born at that exact time. Shortly after Abel's murder when Cain is exiled, it is mentioned that he also had a wife. Where did she come from? Is she a younger sister or another "bone of my bone" situation? The end of chapter 3 mentions God driving out all of the people from the garden, so that also implies there may have been more. Seth came well after the death of Abel as his naming specifically references that event. Were there any in the interim? How old was Cain when he became a murderer? How old was Abel at that moment?
I don't adhere to these hypotheses rigidly, but it's an interesting thought exercise.
We’re not sure if Origen was a a universalist. He made a lot of enemies in the church who blackened his name after he died. In one of his writings he in fact denied this charge.
What non compelling garbage. The mental gymnastics of the apologist.