God isn't hidden. People are just looking for the wrong thing. Matthew 25:31-46 (KJV) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Notice that both ask the same thing: "When did we see you?" And both are given the same answer: "I was in the action of helping those in need."
I am and always was an atheist, living in a very atheistic part of my country. God, if it exists, is so hidden from me, I didnt even realise until 11 or 12 years old, that people took religion seriosly. Until then I thought everybody treated it the same way as every other mythology. While growing up my world was free of supernatural claims or any of the language I now see theists use. I had a brief period, where I hoped for some supernatural stuff to be real, but all I ever found were purely naturalistic explanations for this world. I had contact with some people believing in the supernatural over the years. From classic theists like christians or muslims all the way to people claiming to be able to project their minds outside of their body, healing crystals, etc. I visited churches and other holy places. Some as a tourist, some for distant relatives celebrations. I never felt any deeper feelings then appretiation for the people, or for the craftsmanship of the buildings. I watched apologetics. And not the cut down and commented versions uploaded by some athiests, but the raw footage. But there werent any arguments that invalidated my world view, or even started to put me into a mindset of doubt. Most apologetics seemed to be tailored towards believers, and not me. If a god exists, why doesnt it seem to communicate at all, with no one. Every religion has claims that their gods communicated with chosen people. But none have any proof or even evidence that anything happened.
I appreciate honesty. But there is proof of God's existence in God's word. It's not a supernatural "feeling" feelings come and go. But having a walk of faith is something no one can give you. I see the evidence of God all around. When I read more about the theory of evolution and hor it just didn't make since that's when I started reading and researching Creation. But everyone's journey is different. I hope you keep listening to this channel. Dr. Conway really has a heart for people who have questions and doubt Gos existence. Take care 🙂
I’m curious, without a supernatural Creator how do you account for things like the laws, the uniformity of nature and morality? A rational worldview must be able to provide justification for those things necessary for logical reasoning. Atheism does not, and cannot provide a foundation for laws of logic, uniformity of nature, and morality, yet these things are required for knowledge, rationality, science, and ethics. As an atheist, you might simply assume laws of logic, and uniformity of nature. Moreover, you have no justification for them within your own professed worldview. Yet, I assume you think atheism is the more sophisticated worldview. However, to adhere to it requires blind faith. That also begs the question, if you’re an accidental product of chance, how do you trust your own thinking, or reasoning ability? Christianity is the only worldview that makes sense of the world, as it is. Praying for you! 🙏🏼
@@kraffty1 Why would I need a justification for something, if I can explain it and do not claim to know everything. Resoning is often flawed, no matter how logical anyone is trying to be. Its an attempt to leave ones personal biases behind and observe a part of reality from a neutral position. The uniformity of nature is pretty simple. If it were to change, what would be the reason for it. If I believed in the supernatural, I might be convinced that nature is not uniform. That, in very special circumstances, a man might be able to walk on water, turn water into wine, or raise the dead. But from a naturalistic point of view, there are no reasons for nature to just change. We dont know of any mechanism that could do it. The Laws of nature are also pretty simple. They are just descriptions we humans wrote down, in the hopes of creating models of reality, suitable for predicting future outcomes of events. If a law of nature is observed to not corelate with nature, we change the law to better reflect reality. A questione you might connect with that is the fine tuning argumant, 'Why is reality the way it is, allowing for us to be here?' well, we dont even know if all the variables of reality that make it so, can be different. Again, we dont know of a mechanism to do it. Morality is a bit more tricky, but from my perspective, morality seems to be a set of inter group rules observed by the majority of suficiantly intelligent and social animals, that lead the group to survive and thrive. My view of this world currently does not include anything supernatural, because I dont know anything supernatural. I can only tell you, what I tell other believers. The best way to convince me, that you are right, is for me to experience what you seem to experience. To have a religios experience of any kind. After that I can start to rework my worldviev to include the supernatural. A small side note. English is my second language, so if anything is horribly mangled, please just ask for me to clarify things.
@@darlenejohnson2662 I understand that evolution is something of a disputed topic in many religios communities. I will tell you, that most peolpe presenting evidence against evolution and in favour of creation are most often lying about most things. They do not present the sience of it at all, liyng about the age of the earth and about what we find when searching for evidence. Evolution is not something that can be disputed anymore. Its a sientific field of such proportions that it influences most parts of everyones lives. From better medications to higher crop yields for farmers. I will also ask you to look into the history of biblical stories. Creation, Noahs arc and many more exsist in much older forms in other middle eastern religions, with other characters and other gods. Of course you dont have to do any of this, but know that people preaching against evolution are bending truth or flat out lie to you.
@@wenzel9408 Sorry it took me a minute to get back with. I really stepped into this and produced a thorough response, that I pray will challenge you. What I wrote is lengthy. Therefore, it’s gonna take more than one post to share. Where are you from? Excluding don’t, and other, slightly more than a half dozen additional spelling errors, your English is exceptional. Honestly, I’ve seen more errors committed by native speakers. Justification, by definition, is the action of showing something to be right or reasonable. I wouldn’t expect you personally, or anyone for that matter, to be able to justify an atheistic worldview. My point was that the atheist worldview is unjustifiable and therefore, unreasonable. Interesting how you admit that you don’t know everything and yet, claim to be an atheist. Atheism is a belief system that outright denies the existence of the supernatural. Essentially, the worldview claims to know that nothing supernatural exists. Atheists are not omniscient, that is, all knowing. Therefore, one cannot honestly claim to be an atheist. You made a fallacious assumption, that humans are able to attempt to leave their personal biases behind and observe reality from a neutral position. People will always interpret the evidence in light of their worldview. Therefore, evidence by itself will not cause a rational person to reconsider his or her worldview. There is no "neutral" evaluation of evidence. All facts are interpreted through a person's worldview, there are no exceptions. That’s why I took a different route by exposing you to the preconditions of intelligibility. Preconditions of intelligibility include things like laws of logic, uniformity of nature, and absolute morality. Without a rational basis for the preconditions of intelligibility, the skeptic cannot really know anything by his own worldview. He can certainly believe things, but he has no way to prove them, and thus he doesn't actually know them, based on his own worldview.
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Thank you. God bless you both
This is a good discussion. I appreciate what's being stated and how you break down the false claim that God is somehow hiding.
This was very informative.
Is Bobby reading a script?
God isn't hidden. People are just looking for the wrong thing.
Matthew 25:31-46 (KJV) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Notice that both ask the same thing: "When did we see you?" And both are given the same answer: "I was in the action of helping those in need."
Ghosted by a ghost? 😂
I am and always was an atheist, living in a very atheistic part of my country. God, if it exists, is so hidden from me, I didnt even realise until 11 or 12 years old, that people took religion seriosly. Until then I thought everybody treated it the same way as every other mythology. While growing up my world was free of supernatural claims or any of the language I now see theists use. I had a brief period, where I hoped for some supernatural stuff to be real, but all I ever found were purely naturalistic explanations for this world. I had contact with some people believing in the supernatural over the years. From classic theists like christians or muslims all the way to people claiming to be able to project their minds outside of their body, healing crystals, etc. I visited churches and other holy places. Some as a tourist, some for distant relatives celebrations. I never felt any deeper feelings then appretiation for the people, or for the craftsmanship of the buildings. I watched apologetics. And not the cut down and commented versions uploaded by some athiests, but the raw footage. But there werent any arguments that invalidated my world view, or even started to put me into a mindset of doubt. Most apologetics seemed to be tailored towards believers, and not me. If a god exists, why doesnt it seem to communicate at all, with no one. Every religion has claims that their gods communicated with chosen people. But none have any proof or even evidence that anything happened.
I appreciate honesty. But there is proof of God's existence in God's word. It's not a supernatural "feeling" feelings come and go. But having a walk of faith is something no one can give you. I see the evidence of God all around. When I read more about the theory of evolution and hor it just didn't make since that's when I started reading and researching Creation. But everyone's journey is different. I hope you keep listening to this channel. Dr. Conway really has a heart for people who have questions and doubt Gos existence. Take care 🙂
I’m curious, without a supernatural Creator how do you account for things like the laws, the uniformity of nature and morality?
A rational worldview must be able to provide justification for those things necessary for logical reasoning. Atheism does not, and cannot provide a foundation for laws of logic, uniformity of nature, and morality, yet these things are required for knowledge, rationality, science, and ethics.
As an atheist, you might simply assume laws of logic, and uniformity of nature. Moreover, you have no justification for them within your own professed worldview.
Yet, I assume you think atheism is the more sophisticated worldview. However, to adhere to it requires blind faith. That also begs the question, if you’re an accidental product of chance, how do you trust your own thinking, or reasoning ability?
Christianity is the only worldview that makes sense of the world, as it is. Praying for you! 🙏🏼
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Why would I need a justification for something, if I can explain it and do not claim to know everything. Resoning is often flawed, no matter how logical anyone is trying to be. Its an attempt to leave ones personal biases behind and observe a part of reality from a neutral position.
The uniformity of nature is pretty simple. If it were to change, what would be the reason for it. If I believed in the supernatural, I might be convinced that nature is not uniform. That, in very special circumstances, a man might be able to walk on water, turn water into wine, or raise the dead. But from a naturalistic point of view, there are no reasons for nature to just change. We dont know of any mechanism that could do it.
The Laws of nature are also pretty simple. They are just descriptions we humans wrote down, in the hopes of creating models of reality, suitable for predicting future outcomes of events. If a law of nature is observed to not corelate with nature, we change the law to better reflect reality. A questione you might connect with that is the fine tuning argumant, 'Why is reality the way it is, allowing for us to be here?' well, we dont even know if all the variables of reality that make it so, can be different. Again, we dont know of a mechanism to do it.
Morality is a bit more tricky, but from my perspective, morality seems to be a set of inter group rules observed by the majority of suficiantly intelligent and social animals, that lead the group to survive and thrive.
My view of this world currently does not include anything supernatural, because I dont know anything supernatural. I can only tell you, what I tell other believers. The best way to convince me, that you are right, is for me to experience what you seem to experience. To have a religios experience of any kind. After that I can start to rework my worldviev to include the supernatural.
A small side note. English is my second language, so if anything is horribly mangled, please just ask for me to clarify things.
@@darlenejohnson2662 I understand that evolution is something of a disputed topic in many religios communities. I will tell you, that most peolpe presenting evidence against evolution and in favour of creation are most often lying about most things. They do not present the sience of it at all, liyng about the age of the earth and about what we find when searching for evidence. Evolution is not something that can be disputed anymore. Its a sientific field of such proportions that it influences most parts of everyones lives. From better medications to higher crop yields for farmers.
I will also ask you to look into the history of biblical stories. Creation, Noahs arc and many more exsist in much older forms in other middle eastern religions, with other characters and other gods.
Of course you dont have to do any of this, but know that people preaching against evolution are bending truth or flat out lie to you.
@@wenzel9408 Sorry it took me a minute to get back with. I really stepped into this and produced a thorough response, that I pray will challenge you. What I wrote is lengthy. Therefore, it’s gonna take more than one post to share.
Where are you from? Excluding don’t, and other, slightly more than a half dozen additional spelling errors, your English is exceptional. Honestly, I’ve seen more errors committed by native speakers.
Justification, by definition, is the action of showing something to be right or reasonable. I wouldn’t expect you personally, or anyone for that matter, to be able to justify an atheistic worldview. My point was that the atheist worldview is unjustifiable and therefore, unreasonable. Interesting how you admit that you don’t know everything and yet, claim to be an atheist. Atheism is a belief system that outright denies the existence of the supernatural. Essentially, the worldview claims to know that nothing supernatural exists. Atheists are not omniscient, that is, all knowing. Therefore, one cannot honestly claim to be an atheist.
You made a fallacious assumption, that humans are able to attempt to leave their personal biases behind and observe reality from a neutral position. People will always interpret the evidence in light of their worldview. Therefore, evidence by itself will not cause a rational person to reconsider his or her worldview. There is no "neutral" evaluation of evidence. All facts are interpreted through a person's worldview, there are no exceptions. That’s why I took a different route by exposing you to the preconditions of intelligibility. Preconditions of intelligibility include things like laws of logic, uniformity of nature, and absolute morality. Without a rational basis for the preconditions of intelligibility, the skeptic cannot really know anything by his own worldview. He can certainly believe things, but he has no way to prove them, and thus he doesn't actually know them, based on his own worldview.
He does but your commitment to God including prayer has to be strong.