Re: The BBFC vs The MPAA
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2013
- This is a response video to TylerPreston20's video about which age rating system is better; being British I thought I'd give my opinion on our age rating system - it's both a curse and a blessing
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In Ireland the ratings in cinemas are
G:General
PG:Parental Guidance
12A: 12 Accompanied
15A: 15 Accompanied
16: Nobody under 16 can see the film
18:Adults Only
There is another thing that the BBFC can sometimes do (but not all the time) that the MPAA (now just MPA) don't do (I think they don't anyway).
And that's the fact that the BBFC also have the right to reject a work, and when that happens it technically means that work is banned in the UK. On their website, those works are listed with a N/A symbol in place of an age certificate and will also have a Unsuitible for classification section on the respective page. This is also why some films (even 18 rated ones) are still cut/censored in the UK.
Also for the two PG-13 rated movies in America that are 18 in the UK, Taken (2008) was PG-13 because it was a censored version, UK cinemas were partially uncut at 15 (meaning only the torture scene comes from the PG-13 version, everything else different is uncut) and fully uncut for home viewing in the UK at 18.
The Last Exorcism (2010), along with its sequel are actually rated 15 (always have been in both cinemas and home entertainment, even the bonus material for the first one is only a 15). The 18 rating on the DVD and Blu-ray boxes for those two films are probably indicating something else included on the discs (like bonus features that aren't related to the film or trailers that were rated 18 for other films). Another example I could think of is the film Bullet To The Head (2012), where the film itself (plus a trailer included as a bonus) is a 15 for both cinema and home entertainment, but the DVD and Blu-ray boxes show 18 again and it's possibly for other things entirely, not the film itself.
I've also found examples of 12/12A rated movies that would sometimes show 15 on the box depending on the version, both Terminator 3: Rise Of The Machines (2003) and The Wolverine (2013) were rated 12/12A for both cinemas and home entertainment (including the latter's extended version), but some (but not all) DVDs actually have a 15 on them despite those films never recieving a 15 rating officially, nor did the trailers and/or bonus material for these two films recieved a 15 either (one trailer for The Wolverine did recieve a 15, but it was only used for cinemas, not for physical media). Either this situation is similar to the 15 rated films showing 18 on the boxes or it could be due to the fact that they seem to be strong for 12/12A thus they decide to just bump up the rating on some DVDs despite the BBFC not seeing those two films again.
BBFC IS BETTER THAN MPAA
David Natan Sagala Why?
David Natan Sagala Eh, a government-sponsored censorship board is far from ideal. However, as an American I appreciate the BBFC'S willingness to take public opinion into account and act more harshly towards violence and horror. In the states, Split (the new M. Night Shyamalan movie) got a PG-13 but it definitely should have been rated R. I mean, it's about a deranged creep kidnapping young girls. Yet the BBFC acknowledged the disturbing plot and gave it a 15. Nobody under 15 could watch Split in the UK, whereas in the US an eight year old could theoretically buy the ticket and watch it on their own.
+Spencer Andersen PG-13 horror films usually always get 15 ratings in the UK, considering the plot the imagery is far to disturbing for a 12 year old. Oh and yes to your edited comment the BBFC are strict on stuff they believe can be easily copied by kids, suicide is another one, if suicide techniques are shown it will get an 18 rating, it happened to House and House of Cards. Recently John Wick 2 was cut to get a 15 rating, due to a suicide scene which would've given the film an 18.
Spencer Andersen Yes I know all this you don't need to explain it to me
David I just find it fascinating and bizarre. Two English- speaking countries with notably different standards.
Thanks David I learnt a lot
In Australia, our classification rating is pretty much anything including video games. They include
G
PG
M
MA15+(restricted)
R18+(restricted)
And even an X, restricted 18+ classification. Because of unessecary use of material in an artistical way, in film or its either a video pornographic dvd, or just simply just banned. But we rarely get any film, that's a rating of an X18+.
The US
G=G/TV-G
PG=PG/TV-PG
M=PG-13/TV-14
MA-15=R/TV-MA
R-1 8+=NC-17/ no TV equivalent but a lot of TV-MA shows are rated R in Australia
X-1 8+=1 8+(I’m not sure about the last one)
Hey dude just saw your video and loved it. I was wondering though, could you make another video comparing the BBFC to the Canadian film review boards (they vary by province, but I live in Ontario so that would be the one I think you should use most for comparing with the BBFC)? As much as the MPAA has a numerous amount of flaws, I think Canada's systems have different flaws but in the same amount. We have G (same as US G and UK U), PG (same as US and UK PG), 14A (audiences under 14 must be accompanied by an adult), 18A (audiences under 18 must be accompanied by an adult, and in the Maritimes and Manitoba, audiences under 14 are forbidden from seeing the film altogether), and R (same as US NC-17 and UK 18). However, nowadays most American R-rated movies only get a Canadian 14A rating, sometimes that makes sense and other times it doesn't. Also, The Outsiders, which got a PG-13 (theatrical version got PG since it came out back when PG-13 didn't exist) rating in the US and a 12 rating in the UK, got an 18A rating here in Canada for unexplained reason(s). That's actually my 1st biggest flaw with Canada's systems, that for some movies their ratings are unexplained as to why they have them. My other biggest flaw with them is that multiple copies of the same movie get different ratings when sold in 1 province [for example, Commando, Misery, and The Patriot have multiple DVD and Blu-Ray copies where some are labeled 14A and others are labeled (Canadian) R even though they're sold all in Ontario]. Please could you make a video comparing the Canadian film review boards to the BBFC? I don't think anyone on RUclips made a video discussing the Canadian film ratings so I'd love to see you be the 1st one to try.
so would would 14A and 18A be equivalent to in the UK?
I don't even live in the UK and I still like the BBFC rating more tbh! Great videos as always, all of them are excellent and it's sad to see alot of them gone..
11:48 funny because Interspecies Reviewers was originally TV-MA in America for the first 3 episodes but the blu ray is going to rated 18.
In Poland, we have KRRiT which only applies to television (and Radio for some reason) but films do get rating from them but not for the cinema (and is used on Polish IMDB called FilmWeb) meaning that there is no age rating for films in the cinema also not age rating on the DVD/Blu-Ray boxes for some reason eventhough KRRiT is supported by the Polish constitution.
History/Future speculation: We used to have one for the cinema during the time of Communism but it was abolished and there was no age ratings in Poland for a long time until TV companies got together to create what will become the KRRiT and got recognition from the constitution and I believe it is a matter of time before it will be used in the Cinema and have it on DVD/Blu-Ray boxes.
The current age ratings from KRRiT:
All Ages
7+
12+
16+
Adults Only
The Last Exorcism was changed from 18 to 15 I looked it up on the BBFC website
This is probably one of my favorite videos, it's that great. :D So eloquent and informative compared to most videos that discuss age ratings. As a man in my early 20's, I kind of just let MPAA ratings fall by the wayside and see what the website PluggedIn has to say about the film (Christian site, as I'm semi-religious).
Thank you, though some of the information in this video is now out of date due to the BBFC's guidelines having changed a bit.
Pathofoblivion Do you know how strict most cinemas in the U.K. are in not letting underage kids into 15's and 18's, like do they have someone guarding those auditoriums checking everyone's ID's?
Thataaronmurphydude Oh very strict, if they think you don't look the age they will ask for ID. I am 22 and I still get asked for ID when I see 18s.
I tried finding that video of TylerPreston 20 on movie ratings, but I can’t find it anywhere, was his video on RUclips or a different source?
It was on RUclips but I think he had deleted it since his channel went in a different direction
@@thedudewhomadethisvideo thanks for letting me know, I was wondering why I couldn’t find it.
Did you know that the blue age rating on DVDs is the movie’s rating in the Republic of Ireland, and for cinemas over in Ireland they have a 15A and 16 rating but movies rated 16 at the cinema in Ireland are rated 15 when it comes to DVD.
Believe it or not, Scary Movie 2 is only rated 14A in Canada even though it’s R-rated in America and a 18 certificate in the U.K.
Movies rated TV-MA on cable TV in the US are either rated R or NC-17 by the MPAA, also the NC-17 rating used to be called X. From 1968-70 the R rating meant 16 instead of 17, which is closer to our 15 certificate since 16 is only a yr older than 15. 17 is inbetween 16 and 18 and many countries have a 16 age rating instead of 15 like Germany. So both 15 & 18 certificates in the U.K. fit in perfectly with the R- rating in America.
Did you know that children under 17 can watch R rated movies at the cinema in the states If they are with a parent or adult guardian? Also Canada has a 14A and 18A certificate and the Republic of Ireland as a 15A and 16 rating.
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The Quentin Tarantino movie Jackie Brown is rated 15 but the DVD and Blu ray is an 18 because of the bonus features. Also it's not the BBFC's decision to make it legal or illegal for dvds to be released unrated because it falls under the Video Recordings Act of 1984
Equivalents of BBFC VS MPAA
BBFC U = MPPA G
BBFC PG= MPAA PG
BBFC 12 12A = MPAA PG-13
BBFC 15/18 = MPAA R
BBFC R18 = MPAA NC-17
R18 is only reserved for porn so no that is not true and as covered in the video there are 12 rated films with R ratings (Kings Speech, To the Wonder, Never Let me Go, Agora), 15 with PG-13 ratings (Hunger Games, all the Maze Runner films, Venom, Suicide Squad, pretty much all PG-13 horror films), 15 with NC-17 ratings (Blue Valentine, Bad Education, South Park Bigger Longer Uncut), also many films that get the U rating get PG in America (Inside Out, Hugo, The Emoji Movie, The Incredibles, The Lego Movie, many animated films) the G rating is rarely given out these days. The ratings are very flexible they are getting less and less equivalent.
Oh ok and by the way I knew that R18 was restricted
more like
BBFC U=MPA G,TV-G
BBFC PG= MPA PG,TV-PG
BBFC 12/12a=MPA PG-13,TV-14
BBFC 15=MPA R,TV-MA
BBFC 18=MPA NC-17
there is no equivalent of R-18 but the closest thing would 18+(the unofficial home video rating)
It is also like rating games with a number score. It is pointless because if you give 2 anime or game the same rating they are not equal in anyway.
The Indian film rating system (CBFC or Central Board of Film Certification) is worse than any other film board. Not only that they censor a lot of titles, they classify a lot as if they were the other way around.
FILM RATINGS
U (BBFC: U / BBFC: PG / ITALY: T)
U/A (BBFC: PG / BBFC: 12 / BBFC: 15 / MPAA: PG-13)
A (BBFC: 15 / BBFC: 18 / MPPA: R)
Pretty interesting, I own a number of Indian films, 3 of them that I own got 18 ratings from the BBFC. They are Darr, Zinda and Anjaana Anjaani. Darr and Zinda because of strong bloody Violence, Anjaana Anjaani because of the Suicide theme in the film. Did those films get A ratings in India and where they censored. I know the DVDs I have aren't censored because they make a point of saying they are uncut on the cover.
To be fair though Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt is NOT a kid's cartoon (it makes South Park look like Sesame Street). The BBFC probably rated the whole series 18 as a sort of "hands off" warning for kids who saw the pretty girls on the front and thought it was like the Powerpuff Girls (or for the unfortunate parents who didn't notice the "Panty" and thought it was just harmless fun.)
No nothing like that, it got an 18 because of the sex reference, the main episode that got it was the Transformers parody episode and the frequent use of the word cunt in the English dub. I used Panty and Stocking in the video as an example of the BBFC needing to rate every TV episode, that's why it's in the video and the BBFC rated it based on their guidelines, nothing to do with what you're implying.
David Ah okay. Still wouldn't want little kids to see it. 😂😂😂
David I also like how the BBFC is stricter on things kids can copy. According to the website Toy Story was rated PG because Sid played with matches and tried to detonate toys with M-80s, which wouldn't sit well with most parents. It also says the movie Nerve got a 15 certificate because there were very dangerous stunts and dares (like lying in front of a railroad track and walking on ladders over multistory buildings) that preteens could copy. Smart.
As an American, I appreciate the BBFC's transparency and strict rules on violence/stunts that kids couple imitate.
Then why would they certify Happy Tree Friends as a 12?
Well in America it's rated TV-MA (which is like 15 and 18 combine)
I remember in 2015 and I brought a 18 movie on Blu Ray and I was wondering why they didn’t list anything about sexual content on the back of the Blu Ray cover after buying it, but thanks to this video I know now that it wasn’t listed since that wasn’t one of the reasons why it was rated 18 and the sexual content on that movie was at a 15 level according to the BBFC.
Guess what; I do cartoon dub overs and all of them that I do in that topic (cartoon dubbing) is NC-17 rated. They contain thousands upon many thousands of uses of very strong language in them altogether (in 105 of them). I've done 105 of those dub overs for almost 8 years now. If the BBFC rates all of my cartoon dub overs (if they were to be my actual work), they would 100% 18 cerficates for constant very strong language. All of the ones that I dub over were kid only shows and movies being dubbed over with NC-17 rated/18 cerficate dialogue in it.
In the US Poltergeist is PG and in UK it is 15
8:49 Actually, the MPAA only lists content not allowed in the rating immediately below it (PG-rated movies only list stuff not allowed in a G-rated movie, PG-13 movies only list stuff not allowed in a PG-rated movie, etc.).
7:12 Like how Soul Eater Not (the manga) has the same rated as Monster Musume (the manga). The Soul Eater Not anime is rated 12 in the UK(TV-14 in the United States) yet the Monster Musume anime is rated 18 in the UK(TV-MA in the United States).12 and 18 is such a huge gap.
TV ratings for the US
TV-Y-U(low end)
TV-G-U
TV-Y7-U(high end) PG(low end)
TV-PG-PG(high end)(maybe 12)
TV-14-12(maybe 15)
TV-MA-15(maybe 18)
We don't have TV ratings in the UK, after 9pm anything goes on TV. If the show is on Netflix or amazon or out on blu ray though it goes through the bbfc like anything else. I can tell you though that some TV-14 shows like House, Scandal, How to Get Away With Murder are all rated 18 in the UK. Then you have TV-MA shows like The Crown, Narcos, Succession all with 15 ratings here. Stranger Things, Supernatural TV-14 but 15 in the UK. So TV is still very different too as you can see.
There's a very interesting documentary about the bbfc and how videos were brought under their purview on the back of the video nasties scare. It's called Video Nasties: Moral Panic, Censorship & Videotape. Highly recommended if you're interested in how the whole situation came about.
Thanks for the recommendation, I learnt about the Video Nasty scarce at University, we had a whole lecture and seminar about it
For an 18 now it has contain strong violence or very strong with language all the way . Not always swearing is the case
+Ciaran McCormick You're actually completely wrong about that, the BBFC use the same guidelines with cartoons and there's a number of anime that got an 18 rating just for violence, like Baccano!, Deadman Wonderland, Hellsing Ultimate and Afro Samurai to name a few.
Although this isn't the MPAA, but, the movie 'The Cider House Rules' is rated 12 by the BBFC but rated 18 by the Irish film classification. Pretty insane
+thomsboys The Irish age rating are usually on British DVDs/Blu-ray, if they are the same they are on the covers, if not on the disk. The biggest gap I knew of was Watership Down, U rating here and 12 in Ireland, but there's also Frost, Nixon, 15 here PG in Ireland. I didn't know that about Cider House Rules though, do you know what scene got it an 18 in Ireland?
I did some research and apparently it was because of the film's themes of abortion and incest that got it an 18 in Ireland. Also, the film has not been classified by the BBFC since 2000 which I assume was the last time it was classified by the Irish censors so one can assume the Irish film classification would downgrade the rating from 18 to 15 in 2017 since the film is very tame compared to other 15 cert films in Ireland over the past few years
Terminator 6 is going to be a hard 12 cert.
My own ratings(only advisory ratings)
AA- very mild language,cartoony scenes
PG-7-mild language,brief nudity(boobs),scary imagery
9-12-moderate language and mild blasphemy,mild sex scenes,mild to moderate nudity,mild blood,legal drug use
The word cunt is hardly used even in 18 films VERY STRONG
I've seen it used in R and even TV-14.
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In Canada, our ratings are:
-G (US: G/UK: U, soft PG )
-PG (hard PG, US: soft PG-13/UK: 12a)
-14a (US: hard PG-13/UK: 15, US: soft R)
-18a (US: hard R/UK: 18)
-R (US NC17/UK R18)
+Chris Cornish R18 is only reserved for porn in the UK
pathofoblivion R is not for porn here in Canada, It just has no rating, but the province Quebec has:
G (U/G, PG)
13+ (14a/15)
16+ (18)
18+ (porn).
I live in British Columbia, Canada
Isn't Suicide Squad rated G in Quebec? I wouldn't called that a soft PG. Also A Star Was Born was rated G and that was R!
@Conrad Kuntz err yes, you're talking about the US. You will only see R18 on porn DVD in the UK
Some 18a movies are rated 15 in the UK
8:52 you what to hear something funny. Redo of Healer on blu-ray says 18 +-DSV as if a TV-MA-DSV wasn't enough. the D(suggestive dialogue) and V (violence) seem unnecessary since it's obvious S (I think you know what that means) the only reason why something would ever be rated 18 +. The US' 18 + is basically the BBFC's R-18 though it's not ALWAYS used for p word as in this case another example is with Interspecies Reviewers which only has a disclaimer at the beginning. If theses are 18 + in the US what would the UK give them.
The manga ratings are my favorite system
A-all
T-13+
OT-16+
M-18+
Manga equivalents
A-U
(No equivalent of PG though some publishers have Y)
T-12
OT-15
M-18
Adults only-R-18
also M much like 18 isn't a "Kiss of Death"
but is only limited in a 12 at least twice
Another thing with boxsets given it final rating 1 disk has 18 and other 15 , Not sensible should downgrade all disks to 1 age.
Also every PG-13 horror film is rated 15 in the UK only a couple where 12
Solo is rated 18 over here but in the US it's PG-13. when you watch it, feels like watching a 12 movie. Very tame violence
The star wars film about han solo? Which country has it rated 18?
According to IMDB, there is no country that rated Solo: Star Wars Story that high!
Or its either violence to match with the swearing
The word fuck is even allowed in a 12 film now, not right
Anchorman 2 (not anchorman 2 the legend continues continued) got a PG13
Also Die Hard 4 or in the US live free or die hard has a pg13
One real bad thing about the bbfc is that u r not allowed to watch a 12 or 15 rating underage where as it is not that unusual for a man to take his underage son to an r rated film
Just like the first film Anchorman 2 has a 15 certificate and Die Hard 4 has 15 rating on DVD and Blu-ray (12 in the cinema).
After Spiderman received a 12 certificate in 2001, parents complained due to his popularity with young kids, so the BBFC created the 12A certificate which is basically the same as your PG-13 rating so parents can go with their kids to see 12 rated films, thanks to Spiderman. 15 and 18 though, yep you need to be that age to see it in the cinema.
+pathofoblivion I think he's on about Anchorman: Wake Up Ron Burgundy (A.K.A. The Lost Movie)
David The difference between 12A and PG-13 is that children can watch PG-13 rated films without adult. PG-13 is just a STRONGER version of PG. 15 and 18 are basically more like NC-17 than R because of the strict rule. They are like NC-15 and NC-18. R is pretty much like the 12A, but it's 17A!
here's a thing. BvS UE cut mpaa rating. R. BBFC rating is 12A
SS mpaa is pg-13. BBFC is 15
The PG-13 and R Rated Versions Of Deadpool 2 both carries the 15 rating.
@@franksmith613that is the definition of pointless
example the rise of the krays film, Some very strong language but not very strong violence. Fall of the krays Very strong language with strong violence which is all u need.
The NC17 is not rarely given out by the mpaa it just rarely accepted by the filmmaker because it get limited release and almost no marketing by the way the most grossing NC17 movie (showgirl) only grossed 45% of its budget can believe it mind blowing
+abdulrahman almannai Showgirls.
The nc-17 rating is rarely given out. It's hardly ever deems films worthy of such a classification. The last major film to receive one was Killer Joe in 2013
The use of mf in that film these days should only make the film a 12 because they allow at least 4 uses of f if contextually justified.
The BBFC is a lot more accountable to the people. Overall I have nothing but respect for the BBFC but I do sometimes think that with films that they need to take into account changes of Demographics. For example, Willy Wonka the Gene Wilder version is quite scary in parts. Kids today may find that scary compared to us. So that needs to be up to PG as opposed to U.
Watership Down shouldn't be rated U
t1 was 18 and 2 was 15 then its water down to 12
The first one was re-rated 15.
Terminator 3 was rated R in America but only gotten a 12A over here.
South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut should have been given the 18 certificate for its heavy uses for the f word. Sexual content and war violence. So should have Deadpool. The language in the movie was really foul. Ryan Reynolds constantly swearing his mouth off and using the f word and for its sexual content and graphic nudity. Deadpool is more an 18 than a 15. I agree 300 should have been 18 for its extreme bloody graphic violence, sex and nudity.
U = G
PG = PG
12/12A = PG-13
15 = R
18 = R/NC-17
Nope it's more complicated than that. Your G rating is practically extinct, while the U rating is still given very regularly, the new Space Jam got a U but it's PG in America, plenty of pixar films too U here PG in America. We have PG-13 rated films with 15's here like Split, Suicide Squad, Hunger Games all the Maze runner films. We have 12 that have R in America, like the Kings speech, recent best picture winner Nomadland and Mank too, Never Let me Go as well. 18 is not the same as NC-17, it does not have the same stigma. Ratings are complicated, not the same
@Conrad Kuntz you sure have gone on a comment rampage on this video. There isn't really an equivalent, I think the NC-17 rating dumb honestly, especially considering the stigma surrounding it, like cinema chains won't screen it and it will get a limited release. So dumb. The 18 rating is just treated like any other rating, still gets promotional material, cinema chains will take it, studios do however sometimes cut the film to get a 15, since 18 rated films don't usually do too well at the box office. It happened to John Wick 2 and the most recent Conjuring film. Don't Breath 2 however is the most recent film to get fully released with an 18 rating. It's also worth noting that there are a few films that got NC-17 which got a 15 uncut over here, like Blue Valentine, Bad Education, But I'm a Cheerleader, The South Park film. No real equivalent, you might think 18 but it doesn't have the same stigma as NC-17
Should have given that 15 not 18
British children have easier access to films aimed from children than American children.
“Quentin Tarantino doesn't have a single film that isn't rated ‘18’.”
Actually, Jackie Brown (1997), his third film is only rated ‘15’.
+Luke Since this video they re-rated it 15, another reason why this video is out of date
How about "Kill Bill"?
Most of Quentin Tarantino's films are only 12 in France. lol Italy gave T to The Hateful Eight. The same rating as Incredibles 2! The rating systems are weird and make no sense.
France gave Schindlers list tous publics meaning all ages
No the Mpaa is better it has more guidance
MuseOfDreams what do you mean by that?
BBFC
U=all people allowed
PG=under 12s must have guidence
12A=under 12s must have guidence but be more cautioned
12=over 12s can see
15=over 15s can see
18=adults can see
R18=adults can see but be more cautioned and the dvds are only sold in adult licsensed shops
MPAA
G=all people can see
PG=under 12s must have guidence
PG13=under 13s must have guidence
R=under 17s must have guidence
NC17=adults can see
PG means little kids must have guidance
@@cradicain the UK it is younger kids but in Ireland it’s under 12s
That doesn’t even make sense since in my opinion saying motherf$cker just as bad as saying f$$k since the only reason why motherf***er is bad because it contains the F word.
The difference is that Motherfucker has a sexual connotation to it, fuck in a sexual context isn't allowed at 12 hence why it got a 15. In regards to saying fuck it all depends on context
David oh right, I thought that was only an American thing where you couldn’t say fuck in a sexual context, but Eat Prey Love still got a PG-13 rating in America though. Saying motherfucker is just like calling someone an asshole, a bastard or a SOB though, I assume that the BBFC don’t realize that.
Did you know that you can only say the word Fuck once in a PG-13 movie?
@@jamesthepassionateyoutuber9059 The BBFC have different guidlines they didn't relalise anything, the word just goes against the guidlines for 12. You would be right 10 or so years a go, but now you can say fuck infrequently in PG-13 rated films, so it means two to three times as long as they aren't consecutive or in the same scene. The same for the 12 rating here, but yeah they used to only allow one.
That makes sense, thanks for letting me know pal
For those of you saying the NC-17 rating is given by the filmmakers you're wrong. Films rated NC-17 are given only for two reasons
1. The film contains very explicit sexual content, graphic nudity, and rape. (For example: The Dreamers)
2. The film contains very graphic intense or extreme violence with a lot more blood and sexual violence. (For example: 100 Tears)