Hey Mikey Pipes. Great videos. I’m just over here in Jersey and noticed, like just about all heating companies, no one is solving the issue of over filling a boiler and system. I have. I had a really nice first time homeowner customer that let me design it. It took many trips ruling out Hydrolevel products and found a high temperature float control company that made me a custom float. So on this customers boiler I only used one tapping on the top so I installed the float on the other tapping. I also installed a RAB relay and a Sarco normally closed 1/2” solenoid valve after the back flow preventer yet before the auto feeder and manual feed valve. I wired it so that if the water level gets high it will activate the solenoid valve, shutting the water off to the boiler, including the manual feed valve, and also shut off the power to the boiler. It works like a charm. Possible flooding problem solved.
I was able to see Dan Holohan about 12 years ago in Jersey when I was scheduled to take my CM exam. Steam is not common in SE Pennsylvania, and it is nice to learn about it, even though there are no steam heat rooftop units. Listening to Dan talk about servicing steam in The Dakota was fascinating. I do not envy you having to replace all of that flex and ductboard. I'll bet there is stuff growing in there. Sheesh.
Happy New Year..☺☺As the air gets vented it would make the odour worse too? .I was in Russia a long time ago and the musty smell was common as a lot of towns had steam heat from a huge central boiler plant. Smelled like mouldy brick mortar.
I am in Reading Pa. We had a central steam system in the city decades ago that has been disconnected but the systems are still in place and are now fired by individual boilers. We have quite a few vapor systems also that are often confused with steam systems. Just finishing a 2 pipe steam system rebuild from 1903. Replaced all radiator steam traps and rebuilt 3 F&T traps and rebuilt a steam condensate pump. Always love when you go in on a two pipe steam system that someone screwed air vent on the rads. Also one pipe steam systems are quite prevalent on smaller side street homes. The biggest problem is most single family dwellings have been converted to multi units and tenets dont maintain anything.
Small world part #1.......I live in Pottstown PA and had my Burnham NG hot water boiler installed by a pipefitter named Anthony "Tony" Spadafora. That was 39 years ago and I haven't seen him since. Small world part #2..... my Burnham boiler died several weeks ago and I have been watching Mikey Pipes ever since......and today I run across the guy who may have installed my boiler, looking at MP videos as well! Happy New Year everyone!!! Mine is going to start off real good.....my new Bosch combi is getting i stalled this week!! Thank you Mikey Pipes!!!!
@@richardmattaliano5649 Is this my old friend from TC Wills mechanical? Damn I was fresh out of apprenticeship school. lol Now I am 60, I dont know what the hell happened lol.
@@anthonyspadafora1384 I am one and the same. What are the odds after not seeing each other for close to 40 years......we both are watching and commenting on the same boiler video? I have to tell you.......all three of the HVAC contractors I had quoting on replacing my dead Burnham boiler ALLwere impressed and said it's installation was done by someone who knew what he was doing. It breaks my heart to rip it out....but time marches on...and my wife is tired of not having heat. Please tell everyone who may remember me (Chris & Mike) that I say "hello". Take care. Rich
Lol. You say Tenants, homeowners dont even understand the discipline involved in a steam boiler during the winter every saturday and as a supplement throw in hard water. After paying rent or mortgage all we can do is keep Mike's number on speed dial.
I found your channel earlier this year Mike it’s been a pleasure watching your channel and business grow. Best wishes for 2022 to your family and to the Pipe Doctor team. - Fraser in Scotland.
is it a concern that when i turned the heater on the other night when it was in the 40s that it started banging? i just moved into a 104 year old house that has a steam system. the seller (old homeowner) said it would do that at the beginning of the season, but would eventually stop. i know it’s early in the year for the heater, but i just moved form Texas and I’m cold when it drops into the 40s. I know I’ll readjust to the cold probably by next spring, as I lived in Illinois for 10 years before moving back to Texas. I just moved to Michigan.
I gotta call ya on the hartford loop Mike, pull the manual for the boiler, some say 2 inch, some say 4, some say as much as 6 inches below the normal water line, your header is good, hartford too far north, Happy New Years, Thumbs smashed
Agree. The previous owner of my house did a self install (Aaargh!) and inspectors ok'd it but he put the top of the Hartford Loop nipple about even with the NWL. Now, in my case he also did the header all wrong out of copper and the header is pitched the wrong way and the boiler isn't level, yada yada yada. I have to be very careful that everything is perfect or else the boiler will carryover up into the mains and cause the water level to go below that too high Hartford Loop and then the pressure in the boiler prevents return of water from the radiators on the 1st floor and....yep.....radiators spitting dirty boiler water all over the carpeting. Thanks Ralphie Boy (previous owner) and thanks to you incompetent inspectors.
Damn. That's one expensive mistake that homeowner made flooding out their boiler. Put that in the " I won't do that again" book!! Enjoy the vids very informative and funny. Happy New Year!!😀😀👍
I guess I'm not clear on how it developed pressure in the radiators. Were the vents the float types? And how the heck did it get into the forced air ductwork for the central AC?
I’ve heard you mention about jobs without actual cast iron fittings on a steam boiler as opposed to using steak fittings. What’s the reason behind that other than traditionally being used.
I watched the replacement video but may have missed talking about the ductwork. Is there a steam coil in the air handler? How did the ductwork end up getting flooded? I have steam coils in air handlers and in mine there is no way steam or condensate can get in the ductwork unless the coil fails. Happy New Year. I hope it's better than 2021. I spent 16 days in the hospital, and 3 months out of work. I got back to work and messed up a knee. 2 more months out of work. My advice to anybody is go from 64 right to 66, turning 65 sucked.
I’m off work and watching video of people working. Surgex like the soda? Phosphoric acid is in soft drinks. I really like the sight glass. It would be cool to see brass dragons protecting it. Like on a claw foot tub.
Mikey Pipes were you expanding your business in Florida, North Carolina, or was it South Carolina? I forget which but I recall that it was at least one of the three!
do you have to put that SurgeX in every year or is that a one-time thing? As a disabled single mom, trying to do as much as I can by myself. I just don’t have the money for all this.
If you flush the boiler or when you service the boiler do you add the Surgex every time or is it a one time deal? I have a one pipe closed loop oil fired steam boiler I just replace last year .(40 year old, no Hartford loop on it) Had an old time steam fitter help me do it and he wasn't big on adding any kind of additive to the boiler. System is running great . Happy New Years Stay safe and healthy.
surgex turns the water greenish when the correct amount is added, if it's not green you need to add more. when you drain/flush the boiler your removing it all and need to add more. before adding it to any system always flush it good to remove other possible water treatments.
Great video Mike. I ordered a bottle of Surgex . Do you add the whole bottle to the system? Or does it depend on how many sq ft of radiation you have? I added 1/2 the bottle and the water is a bright lime green color. I was going to save the other 1/2 until next month when I flush the boiler out again.
When I fit a new Boiler we always flush the system with clean water and add Inhibitor before we run the Boiler, I'm surprised you failed to do this on Install, if you did I apologise,
When you have boiler additives and someone floods a 100 year old system doesn't that tend to clean the pipes and radiator gunk in the system and send it all back to the boiler?
Surprise you didn't have to change some of the air vent on the radiators because sometime all those rusty particles can easily block the vents after a flooded system.
Somebody may think it's Christmas day yes you get paid for it yes you'll get paid a premium but sometimes the pay just doesn't remove the pain in the ass it comes with it and based on the size of your company the manpower required and the lack of service calls being formed if you are a small company because you're tied up on one job there's a lot to it it's not always about the money so Mikey I stand with you on this one
Your loop IS a little high bro. (Heating help steam boiler piping tips)utube by Dan Hollohan 2" below the NOWL ! Now he does suggest 24" above the top of the boiler but space is always key. (Drop headers) Thanks again for the videos! 🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾💥🍾💥🍺🍺🍺🥃👀🍺🥃 Stay safe. Retired (werk'n)keyboard super tech. Wear your safety glasses!
But the key reference for the Hartford Loop is slightly above the crown sheet. It's purpose is to stop a busted return from draining the boiler below the safe water level to give time to notice the return loss and secure the boiler before bad things happen. It should be at or above the "lowest permissible water level" and it looks like it is.
@@jkbrown5496 jk I've lowered loops because they were to high and slamming steam (with receivers) they are safeties incase of broken pipes page 61 or any old steam book he's lucky there's not receivers on these systems.
Yup, the entire loop needs to stay completely wet/submerged in operation otherwise steam will be condensing in the loop and surging horizontally with the cool return water, possibly busting the loop apart. So the whole loop needs to be right below the lowest permissible water level so the waterline always sits in vertical pipe only and never in the tee.
and it needs skimming, see the oil line in the glass, it's on top, and flushing won't get it, skim baby, skim, surge ex won't get it, and too much makes a bad boil also
If I was you it would totally be worth it to flood something or cut a live line for a clickbait title. All you need is one good video and you could easily get 100k subs from that video. Something like a pipe burst and sprayed Daniel in the face while he was playing among us or some other popular video. Something that could tick some other boxes beside plumbing and heating. Get Peter pan to buy some merch from Stevewilldoit and have him chug a Happy dad seltzer.
Mikey, wishing you and your family a happy and healthy new year. Keep making these great and informative videos. They are very helpful. Lastly, this is a 15 second LGB link that will get a laugh out of if you have not seen it already. Take care. ruclips.net/video/eLQg1XzIcdE/видео.html
i subscribed to mikeypipes not the bread truck swearing nitwit on RUclips,must be 25 year in the trades experience and judge of character dropping dan holohan's name lets me know Mikey pipes knows whats up sincerely Sunny D HVAC
Hey Mikey Pipes. Great videos. I’m just over here in Jersey and noticed, like just about all heating companies, no one is solving the issue of over filling a boiler and system. I have. I had a really nice first time homeowner customer that let me design it. It took many trips ruling out Hydrolevel products and found a high temperature float control company that made me a custom float. So on this customers boiler I only used one tapping on the top so I installed the float on the other tapping. I also installed a RAB relay and a Sarco normally closed 1/2” solenoid valve after the back flow preventer yet before the auto feeder and manual feed valve. I wired it so that if the water level gets high it will activate the solenoid valve, shutting the water off to the boiler, including the manual feed valve, and also shut off the power to the boiler. It works like a charm. Possible flooding problem solved.
I was able to see Dan Holohan about 12 years ago in Jersey when I was scheduled to take my CM exam. Steam is not common in SE Pennsylvania, and it is nice to learn about it, even though there are no steam heat rooftop units. Listening to Dan talk about servicing steam in The Dakota was fascinating. I do not envy you having to replace all of that flex and ductboard. I'll bet there is stuff growing in there. Sheesh.
Happy New Year Mikey Pipes and crew. Received the Bosch shirt, nice. Thank you. Be well
Have a Healthy, Happy and Prosperous New Year in that order Mikey!
Thanks for the education! Much appreciated! 🎉🎊🎉
Thanks for the entertainment you provide. I hope your self confidence rubs of on others.
I'm doing my part mikey, I thumbs up as soon as your video starts up.. 👍👍😊😊
Happy New Year Mikey ! From the beautiful state of Washington.
happy new year and please to keep these great videos coming.
Happy New Years Mikey Pipes and the Motley Crue.
Good evening you and your guys did a excellent job.
Thanks 👍
Happy New Year..☺☺As the air gets vented it would make the odour worse too? .I was in Russia a long time ago and the musty smell was common as a lot of towns had steam heat from a huge central boiler plant. Smelled like mouldy brick mortar.
Happy New Year Mikey Pipes #LGB
That looks like a nice vehicle your driving in the video at the end 😀
Where do you dump the product in though
I am in Reading Pa. We had a central steam system in the city decades ago that has been disconnected but the systems are still in place and are now fired by individual boilers. We have quite a few vapor systems also that are often confused with steam systems. Just finishing a 2 pipe steam system rebuild from 1903. Replaced all radiator steam traps and rebuilt 3 F&T traps and rebuilt a steam condensate pump. Always love when you go in on a two pipe steam system that someone screwed air vent on the rads. Also one pipe steam systems are quite prevalent on smaller side street homes. The biggest problem is most single family dwellings have been converted to multi units and tenets dont maintain anything.
Small world part #1.......I live in Pottstown PA and had my Burnham NG hot water boiler installed by a pipefitter named Anthony "Tony" Spadafora.
That was 39 years ago and I haven't seen him since.
Small world part #2..... my Burnham boiler died several weeks ago and I have been watching Mikey Pipes ever since......and today I run across the guy who may have installed my boiler, looking at MP videos as well!
Happy New Year everyone!!!
Mine is going to start off real good.....my new Bosch combi is getting i stalled this week!!
Thank you Mikey Pipes!!!!
@@richardmattaliano5649 Is this my old friend from TC Wills mechanical? Damn I was fresh out of apprenticeship school. lol Now I am 60, I dont know what the hell happened lol.
@@anthonyspadafora1384
I am one and the same.
What are the odds after not seeing each other for close to 40 years......we both are watching and commenting on the same boiler video?
I have to tell you.......all three of the HVAC contractors I had quoting on replacing my dead Burnham boiler ALLwere impressed and said it's installation was done by someone who knew what he was doing.
It breaks my heart to rip it out....but time marches on...and my wife is tired of not having heat.
Please tell everyone who may remember me (Chris & Mike) that I say "hello".
Take care.
Rich
Lol. You say Tenants, homeowners dont even understand the discipline involved in a steam boiler during the winter every saturday and as a supplement throw in hard water. After paying rent or mortgage all we can do is keep Mike's number on speed dial.
Happy New Year Mikey Pipes!
Happy New Year Mikey to you and yours!
Page 61 in the lost art of steam heating.
Happy new year!
Thanks for the videos!🍾🍾💥🍾🍾
Happy new year to you and family and crew
HAPPY NEWYEAR Mikey to you and your family keep up the great work
Mike I really enjoy watching your videos,I always learn something new from you.
Happy New Year!
Hey Mikey, Above and beyond what is required from you! Happy 2022!
Feed the people, Mikey pipes! Great content! Happy New Years!!!
Excellent tips Mikey ... Happy New Year !!! Let's Go Brandon !!! #LoveBosch !!!
I found your channel earlier this year Mike it’s been a pleasure watching your channel and business grow. Best wishes for 2022 to your family and to the Pipe Doctor team.
- Fraser in Scotland.
It's Happy New Year ! Mike
Happy New year Mikey!!1
Happy new year Mikey P. keep up amazing work.. Daniel is best !!!
is it a concern that when i turned the heater on the other night when it was in the 40s that it started banging? i just moved into a 104 year old house that has a steam system. the seller (old homeowner) said it would do that at the beginning of the season, but would eventually stop. i know it’s early in the year for the heater, but i just moved form Texas and I’m cold when it drops into the 40s. I know I’ll readjust to the cold probably by next spring, as I lived in Illinois for 10 years before moving back to Texas. I just moved to Michigan.
Wishing you a happy new year
Happy New Years Mike
Great Video 👍🏻
is this considered a 'skim and scathe?"
Did you charge to do the additional flushing and surgeX?
I gotta call ya on the hartford loop Mike,
pull the manual for the boiler,
some say 2 inch, some say 4, some say as much as 6 inches below the normal water line,
your header is good, hartford too far north,
Happy New Years,
Thumbs smashed
Agree. The previous owner of my house did a self install (Aaargh!) and inspectors ok'd it but he put the top of the Hartford Loop nipple about even with the NWL. Now, in my case he also did the header all wrong out of copper and the header is pitched the wrong way and the boiler isn't level, yada yada yada. I have to be very careful that everything is perfect or else the boiler will carryover up into the mains and cause the water level to go below that too high Hartford Loop and then the pressure in the boiler prevents return of water from the radiators on the 1st floor and....yep.....radiators spitting dirty boiler water all over the carpeting. Thanks Ralphie Boy (previous owner) and thanks to you incompetent inspectors.
Happy New Year to and your family, it's been a wonderful year of informative video. Thank you
Never touched a steam boiler in my life not common place in the Upper Peninsula but I can tell a job is well piped when I see one 👍👍👍
Happy New Year buddy
Happy new 2022 from my family to yours
Damn. That's one expensive mistake that homeowner made flooding out their boiler. Put that in the " I won't do that again" book!! Enjoy the vids very informative and funny. Happy New Year!!😀😀👍
Hopefully he had a good homeowners insurance policy with replacement cost coverage
I guess I'm not clear on how it developed pressure in the radiators. Were the vents the float types? And how the heck did it get into the forced air ductwork for the central AC?
I’ve heard you mention about jobs without actual cast iron fittings on a steam boiler as opposed to using steak fittings. What’s the reason behind that other than traditionally being used.
I watched the replacement video but may have missed talking about the ductwork. Is there a steam coil in the air handler? How did the ductwork end up getting flooded? I have steam coils in air handlers and in mine there is no way steam or condensate can get in the ductwork unless the coil fails. Happy New Year. I hope it's better than 2021. I spent 16 days in the hospital, and 3 months out of work. I got back to work and messed up a knee. 2 more months out of work. My advice to anybody is go from 64 right to 66, turning 65 sucked.
Mike a boiler job like that how much
Not enough. Ever.
Header is done 100% correct
I’m off work and watching video of people working. Surgex like the soda? Phosphoric acid is in soft drinks. I really like the sight glass. It would be cool to see brass dragons protecting it. Like on a claw foot tub.
Mikey Pipes were you expanding your business in Florida, North Carolina, or was it South Carolina? I forget which but I recall that it was at least one of the three!
@@PipeDoctor Nice! I'm hoping to be able to realistically relocate to somewhere in central Florida in 3-4 years. Fingers crossed.
do you have to put that SurgeX in every year or is that a one-time thing? As a disabled single mom, trying to do as much as I can by myself. I just don’t have the money for all this.
If you flush the boiler or when you service the boiler do you add the Surgex every time or is it a one time deal? I have a one pipe closed loop oil fired steam boiler I just replace last year .(40 year old, no Hartford loop on it) Had an old time steam fitter help me do it and he wasn't big on adding any kind of additive to the boiler. System is running great . Happy New Years Stay safe and healthy.
surgex turns the water greenish when the correct amount is added, if it's not green you need to add more. when you drain/flush the boiler your removing it all and need to add more.
before adding it to any system always flush it good to remove other possible water treatments.
Sometimes you gotta flush her out...get ride of the musty smell...lmao...great video....ive learned alot about steam from you
Did you get a bottle this time around, didn't she offer?😂. Happy New year 🎆 2022 pool party for sure Let's Go Brandon #lovebosch
Great video Mike. I ordered a bottle of Surgex . Do you add the whole bottle to the system? Or does it depend on how many sq ft of radiation you have? I added 1/2 the bottle and the water is a bright lime green color. I was going to save the other 1/2 until next month when I flush the boiler out again.
Thanks Mike
When I fit a new Boiler we always flush the system with clean water and add Inhibitor before we run the Boiler, I'm surprised you failed to do this on Install, if you did I apologise,
When you have boiler additives and someone floods a 100 year old system doesn't that tend to clean the pipes and radiator gunk in the system and send it all back to the boiler?
Flush the system before you fit the new system. Its not rocket science 😂😂😂@@captainwho1
Surprise you didn't have to change some of the air vent on the radiators because sometime all those rusty particles can easily block the vents after a flooded system.
Somebody may think it's Christmas day yes you get paid for it yes you'll get paid a premium but sometimes the pay just doesn't remove the pain in the ass it comes with it and based on the size of your company the manpower required and the lack of service calls being formed if you are a small company because you're tied up on one job there's a lot to it it's not always about the money so Mikey I stand with you on this one
Feed me Seymour feed me now LOL hope everybody has a Happy New Year's it's got to be better than this year hopefully lol :-) :-)
Your loop IS a little high bro.
(Heating help steam boiler piping tips)utube by Dan Hollohan
2" below the NOWL !
Now he does suggest 24" above the top of the boiler but space is always key.
(Drop headers)
Thanks again for the videos!
🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾💥🍾💥🍺🍺🍺🥃👀🍺🥃
Stay safe.
Retired (werk'n)keyboard super tech. Wear your safety glasses!
But the key reference for the Hartford Loop is slightly above the crown sheet. It's purpose is to stop a busted return from draining the boiler below the safe water level to give time to notice the return loss and secure the boiler before bad things happen. It should be at or above the "lowest permissible water level" and it looks like it is.
@@jkbrown5496 jk I've lowered loops because they were to high and slamming steam (with receivers) they are safeties incase of broken pipes page 61 or any old steam book he's lucky there's not receivers on these systems.
@@PipeDoctor you said facts and you made me dig out the steam Bible now I COMMAND YOU TO TURN TO PAGE 61!
Yup, the entire loop needs to stay completely wet/submerged in operation otherwise steam will be condensing in the loop and surging horizontally with the cool return water, possibly busting the loop apart. So the whole loop needs to be right below the lowest permissible water level so the waterline always sits in vertical pipe only and never in the tee.
This is true. Last Friday morning I got a tour of the office. Saw the wall of letters & wagos lol …. And shit on the wall(navien) 🤪🤪
@@PipeDoctor atleast it don’t smell. That would be a bigger issue
Input ...need more input..Johnny five
I saw this video on Reddit yesterday but wasn’t playing.
Yea. It wasn’t playing
and it needs skimming, see the oil line in the glass, it's on top, and flushing won't get it,
skim baby, skim,
surge ex won't get it, and too much makes a bad boil also
👍
If I was you it would totally be worth it to flood something or cut a live line for a clickbait title. All you need is one good video and you could easily get 100k subs from that video. Something like a pipe burst and sprayed Daniel in the face while he was playing among us or some other popular video. Something that could tick some other boxes beside plumbing and heating. Get Peter pan to buy some merch from Stevewilldoit and have him chug a Happy dad seltzer.
hope you told her that she was smelling her upper lip 🤣🤣
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Mikey, wishing you and your family a happy and healthy new year. Keep making these great and informative videos. They are very helpful. Lastly, this is a 15 second LGB link that will get a laugh out of if you have not seen it already. Take care. ruclips.net/video/eLQg1XzIcdE/видео.html
Nothing $50k a new Boiler and full baseboard system couldn’t fix
forgot Radiant floors in the master bath and kitchen , another $15k
i subscribed to mikeypipes not the bread truck swearing nitwit on RUclips,must be 25 year in the trades experience and judge of character dropping dan holohan's name lets me know Mikey pipes knows whats up sincerely Sunny D HVAC
📽️👍👍👍👍👍🛠️🆒🇸🇮
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Constantly asking for likes and subscribers makes this video unwatchable.
Happy New Years Mikey Pipes 🎉🎉