At short range, yes, the WSM has a massive advantage. It’s basically carrying at 200y the energy of the 6.5 at the muzzle. But that 200y advantage fades quickly into a dead tie at 500y. So if you are planning some longer range shots, you are shooting all that recoil and/or a heavier/longer rifle for very little return on that effort. If I’m shooting shorter range, I’d just as soon as a shoot a .308 and skip the extra recoil. I measure performance more broadly than just energy on game- it’s about what I’m giving up to get it: recoil, rifle weight, cost to shoot and load, bullet selection, etc). .308 lets me stay with light rifles that are shorter barreled and are super handy and still have adequate (though inferior to WSM) performance on game.
.300 WSM makes more sense as a hunter l keep my shots at less than 300. 300 yds is a long ways more than lots of people think. These creatures were put here for our use not for targets!
But use the hornady 300 wsm 165 gmx bullet and it DESTROYS the 6.5 prc. The 165 gmx is screaming out of muzzle at 3260/3893 velocity/energy and at 500 yards 2235/1830. Comparing at 143 gr against a 200 gr is deceptive.
Roughly 18 years ago, I bought my Son his hunting rifle, a 300 WSM. And my love affair started for this cartridge started off. Now have 4 WSM's one for 130gr, 150gr, 180gr (my fav) and 200gr. All shoot lights out, and just something about it just works.
You are spot on when it comes to the 300 wsm! I have owned almost every caliber on the market and almost all of the high end rifles in my 60 years of reloading and hunting and the 300 wsm is the gentleman’s 30-06 as Mark from Vortex says!
Been hunting with the .300wsm for 19 seasons, Ive learned a lot about this cartridge. I use it for everything from rock chucks and yotes to mule deer and moose. Its so accurate it sometimes makes me think my M70 is a target gun. I toiled with this caliber for about a year before I descovered the screws in my bace were too long. The next day I shot a 5 shot group @ 100yrds with 168gr pills that my pinky finger covered. Been hooked ever since...... all I will ever need from 125gr to 180gr it covers all my North American game.
Having hunted for about 60 years now and owning hundreds of guns because I am always searching for the perfect caliber and rifle I have found the 300wsm is just about as close as you can get for big game to perfect and the 7 rem mag is second and I say this after owning almost every single caliber and bolt action combo that is on the market!
One very important thing to note is ammunition is basically nonexistent for 6.5 prc right now but 300 wsm is actually easy to find and has more options.
The one to pick is the one you can do a ethical kill shot with I have a a 6.5 prc & creedmoor and a 300wm & wsm where I live the terrain can change very quickly so obviously that's when you need to figure out which caliber will benefit the best the 6.5 prc has a place where my 300wsm doesn't and depends on what I'm hunting
Not really a fair comparison with such a large mass deviation between the two rounds. Get the closest sized projectiles that are available. A 200 grain bullet takes a lot off the velocity. I shoot a 300wsm with 165 grain bullets at 3200 fps at the muzzle. If you consider that Kinetic energy is 1\2mV^2 you will likely notice that the V component will yield a large output with a small change of V as it is a squared function. I haven't run any calcs so please don't crucify me to harshly but I believe that if you had the bullets very close in mass it would showcase how a round that can propel the more massive projectile, faster will always out perform and for hunting purposes, you want to deliver as much energy on target as you can (within reason, no M-203s allowed on public hunting land lol) so the 300 wsm is the superior round in that regard.
Enjoyed the video and shared with a buddy that is considering a 6.5 prc. We hunt out West and shots out there are 400-500+ on average, so 300wsm is essential. The 6.5 can be used back home for whitetail with lighter recoil, yet if out West...one needs more end point energy. Terrific video/explanation. Look forward to more.
Have seen custom 300 wsm shooting the 220gn berger bullets at 2850 to 2900 f/s with a. 717bc and the 300wsm have a far longer barrel life than the 6.5 prc. Both great cartrdges
300 wsm is better for hunting hands down. Never cared about recoil when shooting game. Plus I feel a little less on the shoulder than a 300 win mag so it's not that bad.
I switched from the 30 win mag about 10 years ago to the 300 wsm too after hunting with the 300 win mag for about 40 years and glad I did at least for hunting
Hello, why is the 6.5 prc being compared here? The parent cartridge of the 6.5 is a .30 cal., the .300 RCM. It is the ballistic twin of the .300 wsm. I own the .300 RCM and it is a nice set up in the Ruger Guide Gun.
But then you are comparing a long action cartridge to a short action. The whole reason Winchester improved their 300 win mag and made the 300 wsm in the first place.
You are thinking of the .300 pcr. The .300 rcm is a short mag. rcm stands for (ruger compact magum) the .300 rcm and .300 wsm are ballistic twins and at a glance you could never tell the difference visually. Sorry for the late correction. @bryanhersman4037
6.5 PRC is underrated. Both are good I prefer the 6.5 PRC muzzle break 143 Berger bullets. 300 WSM is equal I get better BC long range with the PRC. 600-1000 yards
My 6.5 prc is shooting a Berger 153.5 hybrid target at muzzle velocity of 3015 , at a 1000 yrds the velocity is still 1856 f/s and foot lbs of 1175 , out pacing the 300wsm 😁
The 6.5 PRC should have been 7mm PRC. Heavier bullets with better BC’s than the 6.5s would have taken better advantage of the powder capacity. The best thing going right now in this range is the 6.8 western. Good weight bullets with high BC. That being said, I’m getting 3150 FPS with a Barnes LRX out of my 300 wsm. I just converted to a long action bolt stop on my tikka to seat out my bullets further so my new loads will be even faster. I’m going to see if I can get the 190 LRX’s over 3000. But alas all the 190s are out of stock everywhere.
Actually from reports I hear they are very close in barrel life around 1500 to 1600 rounds for good accuracy. Its kind of subjective on how hot and quickly ppl shoot them.
They are close when you compare the two when using regular carbon steel but if you go stainless it really help with barrel life where I have gotten well over 2,000 rounds from both of these calibers!
I like a lot of your content but the bullets used in the comparison are really apples to oranges. If you used a lighter bullet with a higher BC like a bondsrike 180 gr with a BC of .615 or higher the wsm will annihilate the prc in every category but felt recoil. However, suppress the wsm or get a good muzzle device and that is basically a non issue. Oh, you can also find WSM almost anywhere, and the bullet selections are vastly superior to the 6.5. IMHO.
I just bought a prc and in my hunting area in kansas on whitetail deer the max I'm going to shoot a deer would be around 300 yards. The rifle is capable of more but ethics haunts me so I don't try to extend the live animal shots...but at our local shooting range I can shoot the 750 yard targets without much sweat and I absolutely love this cartridge because of the low recoil..I have been shooting a 7mm mag for years and if I go elk or moose hunting that's the rifle I'm going with.
Barrel life on my old Ruger M77 was extremely good. I used it for thirty some years. I never let the barrel get really hot. If you can’t rest your bare hand on the barrel it is too hot and will start washing out the throat. I put at least two thousand rds throught it and still accurate. She can take 76 gr of 4831 no problem lol 😂 well broke in. She’a .300 win mag. If you can shoot it good that’s the one to use. Takes a bit of getting used to. This rifle puts them down on the spot. No suffering.🇨🇦🤠
@@Bullets4Bucks good chat 💭 since l was a kid out hunting l never had a problem getting close. If l can get to point blank range first l do it. The ballistics l am most interested in are terminal ballistics. What the bullet does when it hits thank you🤠
This is also a one gun for everything in every field presentation vs. Caliber specific to field specific or multiple guns suited to game size. I don't hunt in grizzly bear country so having a Caliber large enough for a dangerous encounter is not necessary. I also do not shoot beyond 400 yards. The 6.5 prc would work for me in all my applications. However the ammo availability and cost are prohibitive , which is why I have a 7 rem mag. I can find ammo anywhere at all grain weights and manufacturers at reasonable prices.
Disagree about better wind drift capabilities of 6.5 PRC in relation to 300 WSM. Anyway, in the end, we are comparing apple to bananas because the bullet weights are so different. Great video !
He is correct about wind drift but at normal ethical hunting ranges wind drift doesn’t come into play when comparing a magnum caliber to another magnum caliber when hunting! Just my 60 years of hunting and reloading experience!
Dane you are totally correct about ethical shots on game but the only problem a lot of the hunters out there don’t care about ethical hunting which is not fair chase hunting just target shooting!
@@Bullets4Bucks Since you're comparing the new 6.5 PRC, you might want to compare against the 6.8 Western instead of the 270 wsm. The 6.8 Western and 270 wsm are virtually identical.
Since the wsm has a low twist rate they both can stabalize 150-160 grain bullets just fine and optimally. The heavy .308" bullets dont like the slow twist
I have a question pertaining to barrel life and accuracy. It was mentioned in a comment that both the 300 WSM and the 6.5PRC both get around 1500-1600 rounds out of they barrel, before you start to see a change in accuracy. At that point what is the accuracy like? How much did the groups open up from there?
Good question. I'm thinking at that 15-1600 mark it varies depending on how the rifle was used and cared for. If it was pushed hard you will likely see a greater degradation then one cared for cooled and cleaned properly and a more gradual decline.
In my experience, you lose velocity and the accuracy becomes inconsistent and annoying. You start missing, clean it real good, check the bore with a borescope, and then cry and smash your piggy bank for a new barrel. When you're 1600 rounds into a rifle, you're not shooting 100 yard groups to check how bad the MOA change is. You just start missing and hate it. It can get as bad as 2-3 MOA, though. It depends how long it takes you to be annoyed by the accuracy loss.
I have found in the hundreds of rifles I have owned over 60 years is that a stainless barrel and a carbon fiber stainless barrel will last a lot longer and is even more important in the magnums for barrel life !
@@trevorcoffey9410 i have had a 300wsm in the past. I still have 30 rounds and somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 brass. So i believe i will also be returning to 300wsm.
What does 2.5" do to the 300WSM? I have one with a 26.5" barrel and, it's moving the 200 into the 2900s and the factory 180 Norma bondstrike is above 3k... It would be nice to know if the 6.5 or 300WSM have a benefit to extra length...
You only get about 50 - 100 ft per second for every two inches you add on average so you have to ask to you really need that extra 2 inch of length out hunting?
1st time hunting with the 6.5PRC this year, love it as I'm recoil sensitive. Devastating on mule deer, bang flop with the 143gr ELD-X bullet. I used 6.5x55 previous which I still love.
@@dennisowen3717It was tough about three years ago when I built mine. But now it's super easy to find locally. 143 eldx are about $50 a box and shoot great.
Thank you for the informative and detail oriented review of these two cartridges. But I have a question. At 4:58, you said that the 6.5 PRC has a greater cross-sectional density than the 300 wsm. Help me understand that a bit. . 308 is a larger diameter than 6.5mm. thanks.
Good review and you keep it in a good perspective for the real world. It is true the 6.5 has a good sectional density for the 143gr ELDX at .293 and the .308 200gr ELDX is at .301 so it is a fair real world comparison as far as a hunting cartridge/bullet combo and I liked that you compared the downrange energy reality.
I found the gun I want I’m left handed and they only make a few calibers in left hand and these are 2 of them well 300 regular win mag one gun to do it all which one would you get?🤯🔫🧨
The 6.5 PRC is awesome for long range deer and antelope and targets. I've had a lot of success with mine over the past two seasons. Hunting the Montana prairie the wind is bad and the shots can be long. Especially for antelope. But the round is low recoil so it's fun to shoot in the off season. High BC bucks the wind really well. But I'm thinking about a 300 wsm barrel for elk. But I'm pretty sure the PRC would work if the shot wasn't too far. But what's wrong with having another caliber option😂
If I’m hunting elk out west then I would use the 300 WSM but if I’m hunting white tails, hogs, or anything else like that then I’m rocking with the 6.5 PRC all day long. 6.5 PRC is just a more accurate caliber. I understand ammo isn’t as widely available as 300 WSM but I order mine online anyways and haven’t had a problem.
Idk about most of the stats your giving but I do know this at 930 yards in 7-8 mph winds I needed about .5 to .75 moa wind correction out of a 200 gr eldx but I use custom hand loads to so...... maybe the results I get are idk maybe I guess unfair ?
You know what's crazy is that if you cut the 300 wsm down to 18" you still have a 500 yard elk and 800 yard deer gun. Run the ballistics on a 168 MKZ going 2900 fps. That is my setup for deer and elk.
I actually got an 18" barrel built for my Tikka and it shoots the Norma 180gr Bondstrike at 2940 fps and that's a .615 BC bullet. The WSM easily beats the PRC for Energy on target.
270wsm is a closer matchup and actually beats the prc and western for flat shooting and wind drift. Nobody is talking about these longer bullets tumbling on impact
The recoil on the 300 wsm feels like slightly more. Neither one has terrible recoil in my experience although much about felt recoil cones down to the rifle not the chambering.
The 300wsm has just a little more recoil but it depends on the rifle comb and weight if the rifle and in some of my rifles the are about the same in felt recoil
Based on 4DOF and using factory load data - If you use 147 ELDM as a comparison - this brings things surprising closer at 1000 than 143EDLX. at 900 - 1000 they are neck and neck. Agreed, 300 WSM when it hits carries more energy, but energy ain't nothing if it isn't in a place that matters. However, if you include wind and spin and drop. PRC is much easier to get on target. If you add in increased shooter error, due to increased recoil, this magnifies. Gavintood did a really interesting comparison of ELDX vs ELDM - ruclips.net/video/Xm8wAXkVaxU/видео.html But at the end of the day - pears vs peaches - so who cares :)
300 WSM all day long for taking big game . 165g or 180g Partition or 200g Edge TLR would be my choice for bullets . IMO Edge TLR is superior to ELDX. If I was going for Long Range Bolt Gun and being used for Hunting the PRC is the obvious choice .
@@Bullets4Bucks 6mm ARC gas gun loaded with 103g ELDX or 100g Partition , 308 Win loaded with 165g Partition or 175g Edge TLR , and 300 WSM loaded with 180g Partition or 200g Edge TLR are my 3 favorites .
You mentioned target shooting...If that includes competition shooting, the 300 WSM is way chosen more often for 1000 yards bench and F-Open for a variety of reasons. Much better throat life with the 300 WSM, which is another reason it is used in fixed position bench and prone comps over the larger 6.5 cartridges, including the smaller 6.5-284.
You are correct about the 300 wsm used for for F class but have noticed the 284 caliber is starting to give it a run for it’s money in the popularity race lately
The 300 WSM is cool because if you load max OAL, it's short action. The cool thing about the 6.5 PRC is it's half an inch longer, the definition of long action, and people call it short. The 300 WSM is cool in that I can get 350fps more out of my heavy bullets than running 308. The 6.5 PRC is cool in that I can get 100fps more than my 6.5 Lapua, but probably 50fps more than Creedmoor. I don't get 6.5 PRC. It is lacking balls and is long action. The box says 2900fps out of a 28" barrel, but Creedmoor gets 2850 out of a 24" barrel. Sooooooo... wtf?
Sectional density only matters with bullets that do not blow to pieces . The eldx blows to pieces on game . 300wsm all day . Mine liked the accubond long range (190 grain ) and the federal terminal ascent in a 200 grain. The 300wsm is a far superior large game hunting cartridge . The 6.5 prc is neck and neck with a 270 win loaded with 150s
I'm gonna call BS. I think the superior hunting cartridge is the one you can shoot more accurately. Which as you said is the 6.5. Shot placement is everything when hunting especially at long range. Which brings up my next point, 1000 yard hunting shot is very very rare, I've actually never met anyone who has ever shot anything other than a target at those ranges. So comparing ballistics out to that is ridiculous. 600 yards i feel is a more realistic extreme. Even then your going to have a hard time seeing through a spotting scope or whatever your using to truly identify why you want to shoot that animal. I'm not disagreeing with you that the 300 wsm is a powerful round built especially for big game and can be accurate. Hell Chris Kyle's favorite round was the 300 wsm. But unless you are hunting bear or moose or in Africa hunting some other big game I think the 6.5 prc will get the job done even with Elk and Moose.
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150 grain 300wsm would blow that 6.5 PRC out of the water
I can get a 150 gr bulldozer going near 3400fps with 6.5 stay ball and the 300 wsm
At short range, yes, the WSM has a massive advantage. It’s basically carrying at 200y the energy of the 6.5 at the muzzle. But that 200y advantage fades quickly into a dead tie at 500y. So if you are planning some longer range shots, you are shooting all that recoil and/or a heavier/longer rifle for very little return on that effort. If I’m shooting shorter range, I’d just as soon as a shoot a .308 and skip the extra recoil. I measure performance more broadly than just energy on game- it’s about what I’m giving up to get it: recoil, rifle weight, cost to shoot and load, bullet selection, etc). .308 lets me stay with light rifles that are shorter barreled and are super handy and still have adequate (though inferior to WSM) performance on game.
@@G5Hohnthe .300 wsm shines at longer range as well 🤔 that's where the 30 cal magnums shine when you get to 500 plus
I've got the 300wsm in a winchester model 70. The gun loves 150 bullet. All around it's a great gun to hunt with.... Gets the job done very well
.300 WSM makes more sense as a hunter l keep my shots at less than 300.
300 yds is a long ways more than lots of people think. These creatures were put here for our use not for targets!
True
💯.
But use the hornady 300 wsm 165 gmx bullet and it DESTROYS the 6.5 prc. The 165 gmx is screaming out of muzzle at 3260/3893 velocity/energy and at 500 yards 2235/1830. Comparing at 143 gr against a 200 gr is deceptive.
I can’t believe these 2 bullets were even compared to each other lol
Roughly 18 years ago, I bought my Son his hunting rifle, a 300 WSM. And my love affair started for this cartridge started off. Now have 4 WSM's one for 130gr, 150gr, 180gr (my fav) and 200gr. All shoot lights out, and just something about it just works.
Didn't know you could go as light as a 130gr for the 300wsm
@@Honey_Badger_DC1Hornady makes 110gr in 30cal
You are spot on when it comes to the 300 wsm! I have owned almost every caliber on the market and almost all of the high end rifles in my 60 years of reloading and hunting and the 300 wsm is the gentleman’s 30-06 as Mark from Vortex says!
Been hunting with the .300wsm for 19 seasons, Ive learned a lot about this cartridge. I use it for everything from rock chucks and yotes to mule deer and moose. Its so accurate it sometimes makes me think my M70 is a target gun. I toiled with this caliber for about a year before I descovered the screws in my bace were too long. The next day I shot a 5 shot group @ 100yrds with 168gr pills that my pinky finger covered. Been hooked ever since...... all I will ever need from 125gr to 180gr it covers all my North American game.
Very good
Having hunted for about 60 years now and owning hundreds of guns because I am always searching for the perfect caliber and rifle I have found the 300wsm is just about as close as you can get for big game to perfect and the 7 rem mag is second and I say this after owning almost every single caliber and bolt action combo that is on the market!
I love my .300 wsm
If your screws were too long they would have locked your bolt up So you're full of c***
I’ll take the 300 wsm over the 6.5 anyday
Hands down favorite 300 wsm
I enjoy my 300wsm a lot! Awesome little round
Its a good hunting round
One very important thing to note is ammunition is basically nonexistent for 6.5 prc right now but 300 wsm is actually easy to find and has more options.
Seems to always come down to availability and cost on ammo first, than performance is added into the equation
@@rustyshackleford2723 true
My reloads from my 150 grand combine technology is going to 3200' per 2nd almost 3300 And she is flat
I've been trying to get just any good brass for the prc for 2 years I have yet to find it
@@jordonvizer9638 its very tough
For hunting 300wsm all day.
Agreed.
The one to pick is the one you can do a ethical kill shot with I have a a 6.5 prc & creedmoor and a 300wm & wsm where I live the terrain can change very quickly so obviously that's when you need to figure out which caliber will benefit the best the 6.5 prc has a place where my 300wsm doesn't and depends on what I'm hunting
Wow!!!!
Seriously?????
No Brainerd. Hands down the 300 short mag will blow it away. Expecially with the 180 to 200 grain bullets.
I would’ve like to see a comparison between the 6.5 PRC vs the 7 WSM or saum.
Not really a fair comparison with such a large mass deviation between the two rounds. Get the closest sized projectiles that are available. A 200 grain bullet takes a lot off the velocity. I shoot a 300wsm with 165 grain bullets at 3200 fps at the muzzle. If you consider that Kinetic energy is 1\2mV^2 you will likely notice that the V component will yield a large output with a small change of V as it is a squared function. I haven't run any calcs so please don't crucify me to harshly but I believe that if you had the bullets very close in mass it would showcase how a round that can propel the more massive projectile, faster will always out perform and for hunting purposes, you want to deliver as much energy on target as you can (within reason, no M-203s allowed on public hunting land lol) so the 300 wsm is the superior round in that regard.
Enjoyed the video and shared with a buddy that is considering a 6.5 prc. We hunt out West and shots out there are 400-500+ on average, so 300wsm is essential. The 6.5 can be used back home for whitetail with lighter recoil, yet if out West...one needs more end point energy. Terrific video/explanation. Look forward to more.
Thanks
Have seen custom 300 wsm shooting the 220gn berger bullets at 2850 to 2900 f/s with a. 717bc and the 300wsm have a far longer barrel life than the 6.5 prc. Both great cartrdges
300 wsm is better for hunting hands down. Never cared about recoil when shooting game. Plus I feel a little less on the shoulder than a 300 win mag so it's not that bad.
I switched from the 30 win mag about 10 years ago to the 300 wsm too after hunting with the 300 win mag for about 40 years and glad I did at least for hunting
have a 300 wsm on the way! thanks for the review!
Awesome
Hello, why is the 6.5 prc being compared here? The parent cartridge of the 6.5 is a .30 cal., the .300 RCM. It is the ballistic twin of the .300 wsm. I own the .300 RCM and it is a nice set up in the Ruger Guide Gun.
But then you are comparing a long action cartridge to a short action. The whole reason Winchester improved their 300 win mag and made the 300 wsm in the first place.
You are thinking of the .300 pcr. The .300 rcm is a short mag. rcm stands for (ruger compact magum) the .300 rcm and .300 wsm are ballistic twins and at a glance you could never tell the difference visually. Sorry for the late correction. @bryanhersman4037
Good stuff bud. For hunting I like the 300 wsm and for targets like 6.5.
:) good choice
6.5 PRC is underrated. Both are good I prefer the 6.5 PRC muzzle break 143 Berger bullets. 300 WSM is equal I get better BC long range with the PRC. 600-1000 yards
I like the 300 Winchester short mag
My 6.5 prc is shooting a Berger 153.5 hybrid target at muzzle velocity of 3015 , at a 1000 yrds the velocity is still 1856 f/s and foot lbs of 1175 , out pacing the 300wsm 😁
Sweet
@@Bullets4Bucks and with that long sleek Berger , it's just more accurate than my buddies 300 wsm
The 6.5 PRC should have been 7mm PRC. Heavier bullets with better BC’s than the 6.5s would have taken better advantage of the powder capacity. The best thing going right now in this range is the 6.8 western. Good weight bullets with high BC. That being said, I’m getting 3150 FPS with a Barnes LRX out of my 300 wsm. I just converted to a long action bolt stop on my tikka to seat out my bullets further so my new loads will be even faster. I’m going to see if I can get the 190 LRX’s over 3000. But alas all the 190s are out of stock everywhere.
Great video! 300WSM seems a better all around caliber. I’m assuming barrel life on 300WSM is better than PRC?
Actually from reports I hear they are very close in barrel life around 1500 to 1600 rounds for good accuracy. Its kind of subjective on how hot and quickly ppl shoot them.
Cartridge. Better all around cartridge. Caliber is the diameter of the bullet in inches. Why does everyone call cartridges, calibers?
@@gspgsp100 Its so common for people to refer to cartridges as calibers that I have to say caliber a lot for people to even understand me
Yes! I have experienced the same! Kinda funny but makes me crazy. Probably my biggest pet peeve......oh well
They are close when you compare the two when using regular carbon steel but if you go stainless it really help with barrel life where I have gotten well over 2,000 rounds from both of these calibers!
I like a lot of your content but the bullets used in the comparison are really apples to oranges. If you used a lighter bullet with a higher BC like a bondsrike 180 gr with a BC of .615 or higher the wsm will annihilate the prc in every category but felt recoil. However, suppress the wsm or get a good muzzle device and that is basically a non issue. Oh, you can also find WSM almost anywhere, and the bullet selections are vastly superior to the 6.5. IMHO.
I actually have an 18" WSM and it shoots the 180 Bondstrike at 2940 fps. Which is amazing, given the short barrel.
I just bought a prc and in my hunting area in kansas on whitetail deer the max I'm going to shoot a deer would be around 300 yards. The rifle is capable of more but ethics haunts me so I don't try to extend the live animal shots...but at our local shooting range I can shoot the 750 yard targets without much sweat and I absolutely love this cartridge because of the low recoil..I have been shooting a 7mm mag for years and if I go elk or moose hunting that's the rifle I'm going with.
300 WSM Broke 1000 yard record
Yes indeed
Barrel life on my old Ruger M77 was extremely good. I used it for thirty some years. I never let the barrel get really hot. If you can’t rest your bare hand on the barrel it is too hot and will start washing out the throat. I put at least two thousand rds throught it and still accurate. She can take 76 gr of 4831 no problem lol 😂 well broke in.
She’a .300 win mag. If you can shoot it good that’s the one to use. Takes a bit of getting used to. This rifle puts them down on the spot. No suffering.🇨🇦🤠
Good deal
@@Bullets4Bucks good chat 💭 since l was a kid out hunting l never had a problem getting close. If l can get to point blank range first l do it. The ballistics l am most interested in are terminal ballistics. What the bullet does when it hits thank you🤠
@@randyschaff8939 sounds like fun hunting. Nothing wrong with that.
Hunted with the 300 win mag for about 30 years before switching to the 300 wsm and the win mag is a great choice for big game!
This is also a one gun for everything in every field presentation vs. Caliber specific to field specific or multiple guns suited to game size. I don't hunt in grizzly bear country so having a Caliber large enough for a dangerous encounter is not necessary. I also do not shoot beyond 400 yards. The 6.5 prc would work for me in all my applications. However the ammo availability and cost are prohibitive , which is why I have a 7 rem mag. I can find ammo anywhere at all grain weights and manufacturers at reasonable prices.
I have had both not only easier to get ammo but better knock down power on elk size game and that is why the 7 rem mag is so popular 50 plus years
Compare inches to inches .264 v .308 makes it easier to see the difference
I am enjoying the comparison series. I hope you keep it going.
That's the plan!
Disagree about better wind drift capabilities of 6.5 PRC in relation to 300 WSM. Anyway, in the end, we are comparing apple to bananas because the bullet weights are so different. Great video !
He is correct about wind drift but at normal ethical hunting ranges wind drift doesn’t come into play when comparing a magnum caliber to another magnum caliber when hunting! Just my 60 years of hunting and reloading experience!
300 wsm Way better for hunting
With a 178gr ELD X the drop is basically identical and the energy stays ahead to 1000, but the difference is no longer so big. Great comparison video!
Thanks for the info!
Only on paper in reality you need the .30 caliber for ethical kills diameter matters too.....
Dane you are totally correct about ethical shots on game but the only problem a lot of the hunters out there don’t care about ethical hunting which is not fair chase hunting just target shooting!
I’d like to see the 6.5 PRC against 270 WSM
Yes its in the plans
@@Bullets4Bucks Since you're comparing the new 6.5 PRC, you might want to compare against the 6.8 Western instead of the 270 wsm. The 6.8 Western and 270 wsm are virtually identical.
The 6.8 and the 270wsm are basically the same except barrel twist which allows longer bullets to be stabilized in the 6.8
Since the wsm has a low twist rate they both can stabalize 150-160 grain bullets just fine and optimally. The heavy .308" bullets dont like the slow twist
I have a question pertaining to barrel life and accuracy. It was mentioned in a comment that both the 300 WSM and the 6.5PRC both get around 1500-1600 rounds out of they barrel, before you start to see a change in accuracy. At that point what is the accuracy like? How much did the groups open up from there?
Good question.
I'm thinking at that 15-1600 mark it varies depending on how the rifle was used and cared for. If it was pushed hard you will likely see a greater degradation then one cared for cooled and cleaned properly and a more gradual decline.
In my experience, you lose velocity and the accuracy becomes inconsistent and annoying. You start missing, clean it real good, check the bore with a borescope, and then cry and smash your piggy bank for a new barrel.
When you're 1600 rounds into a rifle, you're not shooting 100 yard groups to check how bad the MOA change is. You just start missing and hate it.
It can get as bad as 2-3 MOA, though. It depends how long it takes you to be annoyed by the accuracy loss.
I have found in the hundreds of rifles I have owned over 60 years is that a stainless barrel and a carbon fiber stainless barrel will last a lot longer and is even more important in the magnums for barrel life !
Thank you all for your response. It is greatly appreciated and needed.
Great video man. I like the selection for the comparison!
Thank you
Could you stack the 6.5 prc against the 25-06? Nobody's done that on here yet.
I miss my 300wsm. A Tikka T3 lite. Dropped everything I hit with it
Would you have less recoil if you used a 110 gr bullet on the 300? Vs the 143 on the 6.5?
No
@@Bullets4Bucks lol awesome! Love the direct answer.
This is exactly what i have been debating. Thanks for the video!
Just remember ammunition is tough to come by right now
Same. I’ve been debating for a few months between the two. 300 wsm it is.
@@trevorcoffey9410 i have had a 300wsm in the past. I still have 30 rounds and somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 brass. So i believe i will also be returning to 300wsm.
What does 2.5" do to the 300WSM?
I have one with a 26.5" barrel and, it's moving the 200 into the 2900s and the factory 180 Norma bondstrike is above 3k... It would be nice to know if the 6.5 or 300WSM have a benefit to extra length...
You only get about 50 - 100 ft per second for every two inches you add on average so you have to ask to you really need that extra 2 inch of length out hunting?
300wsm hunting ✔
1st time hunting with the 6.5PRC this year, love it as I'm recoil sensitive. Devastating on mule deer, bang flop with the 143gr ELD-X bullet. I used 6.5x55 previous which I still love.
Great to hear! Awesome you got a deer
How's the price and availability of that 6.5 PRC compared to others. I can tell you it's substantially more expensive and much harder to find.
@@dennisowen3717It was tough about three years ago when I built mine. But now it's super easy to find locally. 143 eldx are about $50 a box and shoot great.
Thank you for the informative and detail oriented review of these two cartridges. But I have a question. At 4:58, you said that the 6.5 PRC has a greater cross-sectional density than the 300 wsm. Help me understand that a bit. . 308 is a larger diameter than 6.5mm. thanks.
Doesn't the 300wsm still hold the record group at 1000 yards?
How about 300 PRC vs. 300 WSM?
I agree the 300wsm is a great round
Moose Bear Deer
Good review and you keep it in a good perspective for the real world. It is true the 6.5 has a good sectional density for the 143gr ELDX at .293 and the .308 200gr ELDX is at .301 so it is a fair real world comparison as far as a hunting cartridge/bullet combo and I liked that you compared the downrange energy reality.
Thank you sir
I’ll take the 300wsm, you can buy ammo from several manufacturers.
Thanks for a good comparison
Thank you
Compare my 7 max shooting 195 Berger hybrid with the 6.5 prc, now that’s a good comparison!
Good call l always used the Hornady 180 gr. Interlock in my .300🇨🇦🤠 Thanks for the chat 💭
I found the gun I want I’m left handed and they only make a few calibers in left hand and these are 2 of them well 300 regular win mag one gun to do it all which one would you get?🤯🔫🧨
Get a 300 win mag
The 6.5 PRC is awesome for long range deer and antelope and targets. I've had a lot of success with mine over the past two seasons. Hunting the Montana prairie the wind is bad and the shots can be long. Especially for antelope. But the round is low recoil so it's fun to shoot in the off season. High BC bucks the wind really well.
But I'm thinking about a 300 wsm barrel for elk. But I'm pretty sure the PRC would work if the shot wasn't too far. But what's wrong with having another caliber option😂
If I’m hunting elk out west then I would use the 300 WSM but if I’m hunting white tails, hogs, or anything else like that then I’m rocking with the 6.5 PRC all day long. 6.5 PRC is just a more accurate caliber. I understand ammo isn’t as widely available as 300 WSM but I order mine online anyways and haven’t had a problem.
Idk about most of the stats your giving but I do know this at 930 yards in 7-8 mph winds I needed about .5 to .75 moa wind correction out of a 200 gr eldx but I use custom hand loads to so...... maybe the results I get are idk maybe I guess unfair ?
Using 180g on the 300 would have been a better comparison,
Thank you
I used to shoot Barnes 150 gr out of my 300 wsm. Absolute screamer at over 3300 fps. And less recoil.
@@wasachevyguy That's what I was thinking. That velocity difference would make the energy out to 1000 yards even greater.
You completely left out the problem of high rate of twist on barrel life and the corresponding spin drift calculations of the long skinny bullets.
I am shooting 225 ELDM out of my 300 WSM at 2700 fps. It has a G1 ballistic coefficient of .777. I don't see anything in a 6.5 coming close to that.
Awesome
300wsm is a hunting round
6.5 PRC target round
Anything with a .540" bolt face is a magnum. Anything under around 2.8" is short action.......combine the two and you get a short action magnum.
You should have added the 6.8 Western to your comparison.
I should
You know what's crazy is that if you cut the 300 wsm down to 18" you still have a 500 yard elk and 800 yard deer gun. Run the ballistics on a 168 MKZ going 2900 fps. That is my setup for deer and elk.
I actually got an 18" barrel built for my Tikka and it shoots the Norma 180gr Bondstrike at 2940 fps and that's a .615 BC bullet. The WSM easily beats the PRC for Energy on target.
Agree!
Thanks for watching
270wsm is a closer matchup and actually beats the prc and western for flat shooting and wind drift. Nobody is talking about these longer bullets tumbling on impact
Interesting
And that is why they came out with the 6.8 western so they can shoot bigger bullets per caliber and be able to stabilize them!
Really enjoy the cartridge videos. I’m looking to purchase a new rifle and would love a 6.5 PRC vs 280 AI run down
I am editing the video now. 280 is a great cartridge.
280 ai is better for elk hunting
@@Bullets4Bucks did you get that video done?
@@Kmecha84 lol i actually am not sure i have made 100s of videos this year lol
@@Kmecha84 so it looks like i got a 280 ai vs 270 vid coming. I will have to do some more on it. No 6.5 prc vs 280 yet
The exact video I was looking for. Recoil comparison? Can you say from experience?
The recoil on the 300 wsm feels like slightly more. Neither one has terrible recoil in my experience although much about felt recoil cones down to the rifle not the chambering.
The 300wsm has just a little more recoil but it depends on the rifle comb and weight if the rifle and in some of my rifles the are about the same in felt recoil
It's a good rifle
300 wsm 💪
Compare apples to apples not apples to Orange or 150 g through a 100 WSM is crank and almost 3300' per second
But if you had never seen an apple or orange wouldn't you be curious on taste difference?
great video
Thank you
Based on 4DOF and using factory load data - If you use 147 ELDM as a comparison - this brings things surprising closer at 1000 than 143EDLX. at 900 - 1000 they are neck and neck.
Agreed, 300 WSM when it hits carries more energy, but energy ain't nothing if it isn't in a place that matters.
However, if you include wind and spin and drop. PRC is much easier to get on target. If you add in increased shooter error, due to increased recoil, this magnifies.
Gavintood did a really interesting comparison of ELDX vs ELDM - ruclips.net/video/Xm8wAXkVaxU/видео.html
But at the end of the day - pears vs peaches - so who cares :)
So the 6.5 PRC is more efficient. But the 300 WSM will have more power.
Kinda
300wsm 150 grain ballistic silver tips is a nasty round for hunting
A reliable 300wsm AR would be... ❤
Interesting
I bought a 450 Marlin AR 10 just because I can toss a 300wsm barrel on it...lol. Awesome gun!
Try to find some prc ammo lol... Then look for some wsm that will help you decide.
6.5 creedmoor vs 300 wsm next
Your data doesn't match up on the prc to what you say when comparing it to the 270
Which part? So i can double check it
@@Bullets4Bucks the foot bls @ a 1000 and I think the drop was different also
Should have compared it to the 270 wsm .
i think for hunting if you dont like 300wsm/wm go for 28 nosler, not for prc calibers.
If your going to go with 6.5prc
Over 300wsm you minus well go with the 270 wsm. It will out perform 6.5prc
What percentage of hunters shoot beyond 300 yards?! Comparing cartridges at 1000 yards for hunting is comical.
Probably only a small percentage but its fun to hypothesize
300 WSM all day long for taking big game . 165g or 180g Partition or 200g Edge TLR would be my choice for bullets . IMO Edge TLR is superior to ELDX.
If I was going for Long Range Bolt Gun and being used for Hunting the PRC is the obvious choice .
Not a bad way to go
@@Bullets4Bucks 6mm ARC gas gun loaded with 103g ELDX or 100g Partition , 308 Win loaded with 165g Partition or 175g Edge TLR , and 300 WSM loaded with 180g Partition or 200g Edge TLR are my 3 favorites .
@@seanwhite304 nice combo!
You mentioned target shooting...If that includes competition shooting, the 300 WSM is way chosen more often for 1000 yards bench and F-Open for a variety of reasons. Much better throat life with the 300 WSM, which is another reason it is used in fixed position bench and prone comps over the larger 6.5 cartridges, including the smaller 6.5-284.
Good input.
You are correct about the 300 wsm used for for F class but have noticed the 284 caliber is starting to give it a run for it’s money in the popularity race lately
Should compare a 130 grain of each
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Do some .284's such as 7 SAUM or 28 Nosler.
I want to but I don't have experience or ammunition with those
I really like how you break down the info and then how it relates to hunting! Thanks
Thank you
Try 6.5 vs 300 weatherby 180 grain.
I prefer to see my bullet hit and place a good second shot if needed. Good luck doing they with a 300.
The 300 WSM is cool because if you load max OAL, it's short action. The cool thing about the 6.5 PRC is it's half an inch longer, the definition of long action, and people call it short.
The 300 WSM is cool in that I can get 350fps more out of my heavy bullets than running 308.
The 6.5 PRC is cool in that I can get 100fps more than my 6.5 Lapua, but probably 50fps more than Creedmoor.
I don't get 6.5 PRC. It is lacking balls and is long action. The box says 2900fps out of a 28" barrel, but Creedmoor gets 2850 out of a 24" barrel. Sooooooo... wtf?
Sectional density only matters with bullets that do not blow to pieces . The eldx blows to pieces on game . 300wsm all day . Mine liked the accubond long range (190 grain ) and the federal terminal ascent in a 200 grain. The 300wsm is a far superior large game hunting cartridge . The 6.5 prc is neck and neck with a 270 win loaded with 150s
I'm gonna call BS. I think the superior hunting cartridge is the one you can shoot more accurately. Which as you said is the 6.5. Shot placement is everything when hunting especially at long range. Which brings up my next point, 1000 yard hunting shot is very very rare, I've actually never met anyone who has ever shot anything other than a target at those ranges. So comparing ballistics out to that is ridiculous. 600 yards i feel is a more realistic extreme. Even then your going to have a hard time seeing through a spotting scope or whatever your using to truly identify why you want to shoot that animal. I'm not disagreeing with you that the 300 wsm is a powerful round built especially for big game and can be accurate. Hell Chris Kyle's favorite round was the 300 wsm. But unless you are hunting bear or moose or in Africa hunting some other big game I think the 6.5 prc will get the job done even with Elk and Moose.
The only hunting I do is ar500 steel at 500 to 1500 yards. Soooooooo, the 300 wsm is out.
Makes sense
Good info, but the constant picking up and putting down the cartridges was annoying. Just put up a table.
Bad comparison 300swm come in 150 and 165 gr . Don't know why you would choose 200 gr to compare .