Quick, but delicate. Her fabulous piano voice's as if cover the sky. It can make me relaxed, release and ease my stress. Yet, she can played more quickly. That's better. She is full of expression and can concentrated on the piano by heart. Um...few pianist did this, but she did.
@davidthemagnet The point is, when you imagine playing the piano, it actually works the same parts of the brain as when you really play. There was an article on this in the journal of neuroscience. I can try to find it- Either way, at his level, you are able to "read" a piece, think of playing it enough, and eventually be able to play it...but not something like Prok 2 :P
I'm sure if you search on youtube for "A wonderful encounter with valentina lisitsa" there is a video in which she states that all of her playing is done from muscle memory; her hands just fall into the correct places without having to think.
This is proof that there is talent out there in the universe. Speaking of which, when you here this, think of million stars and the wide expanse of the universe. It reminds me of an ELO song.
You're muscle memory is actually the best memory you have. Doesn't always feel that way, but just imagine that you'd have to try to remember each morning how to walk or stand up. Or how to speak or write. Of course language is being controlled by a different part of your brain, but the actual speaking and writing is done by muscles. It's your best memory, you just need to know how to use it and once you get that under control, it's easy to learn a piece by heart. =)
She is so fantistic! Can She perform or what! After the third or fourth encore the audience is still cheering. Love You Valentina. Will get the London Performance the first chance I get. Later Dan
I've also heard that it's a song designed to teach a specific physical technique but still be musical. Look up the song Echo Etude, by a guitarist named Yngwie Malmsteen
its brilliant i dont get why people are saying "its just muscle memory" etc, might aswell say well shes just using human arms... lets not forget how beatutifully she played it and how dedicated she has been to the piano.
For you muscle memory folks, try this... place your thumb and second finger on C (two fingers on the same key, it's also called the two finger etude), your third finger on D and your pinky on the B natural above the two. Hold that for a while. That's measure 29. Valentina gets my respect.
Warum man diese schöne Musik so geistlos herunter rattern muß, bleibt das Geheimnis der Klavierspielerin. Allerdings rattern viele andere ebenso geistlos und von allen Musen verlassen - und scheinen damit viele zu beeindrucken. Armer Chopin!
@itsanthonyhere yeahh, i think something similar with my old piano teacher was that he was able to play a tonne of repertoire as a result of teaching it to other students, yet at the same time, he has never practiced or sat down to learn these pieces. Just looking at the music and teaching it was enough to learn the piece from a non-physical perspective.
Yes, "sempre legato". As far as it is possible. The problem is, that the upper note of the right hand remains very often the same note, while the accord of the other fingers of the same hand are changing. So, the 5th finger has to accomplish a "legato" with himself, which is almost impossible ;)
@Grigor99 I agree. Yours will definitely be the best version though I've never actually heard it but you seem to definitely know what your talking about, or at least I think you do.
I don't know what happened to my previous post, well here it goes again: As far as I know, the cerebelum, one of the primitive parts of our brain, is responsible to gather all "important information" to memorize notes, pedals and dynamics, and also the muscles, fingers and feet the body must use to performance. And of course, the more you practice, the more you improve, because your cerebelum will gather more information. That's why Valentina plays anything flawlessly.
@analka1 They don't remember each and every note separately, they subdivide the work into processable chunks, as in "Here come the 8 bars where the violins take the lead".
I believe you are right. But I also seem to recall that learned skills start out as very conscious (i.e. a product of the neocortex) and as practiced it's taken over by "lower" levels of the the brain. This is why you can often drive a familiar route and not remember it because every turn in the road and even responses to other traffic starts falling below the level of conscious thought. First you master the basics, then you can use emotional interpretation to perfect the expression.
@davidthemagnet some people have such inherent muscle memory that that can play a piece of music maybe a few times and can easily recall it thereafter.
I am playing this etüde and I can tell that if you can't memorize something in this etüde (and in many many other cases), it doesn't help to try to remember it, by picturing the score in your head. You muscles have to learn it. Physiological research has demonstrated, that when playing and memorizing a piece, muscle-memory stands for 90% of the memorizingprocess..
mental memory! muscle memory will fail you if you get nervous and 'lose' it. called having a 'blackout' during recital To check you have it all memorized properly, sit down and imagine you playing the whole piece. if you have trouble playing both hands simultaneously in your mind, do one hand after the other. if you are able to do this through, you have memorized optimally, with no risk of forgetting anything during performance
Солнцеволосая ...... Кудряво-лучистая, ясная дива, как жёлтая бабочка средь полутьмы, себя отдаёт мелодичным мотивам, цепляясь за нитку стальной тетивы. Душистая, будто бы спелая дыня, что пахнет искусством и солнышком тут. Она, как оазис средь тесной пустыни, что греет мою третьстолетнюю ртуть. Её молодое, златое свеченье под стать самим Сауле, Сурье и Ра. И к ней разгораются жар и влеченье, и к новому кону стремится игра. Лимонно-спирально-густые пружинки свисают на плечи, на спину и грудь, на чёрные ленты, куски паутинки, в какие одета медовая суть… Она - мотылёк у блестящего жезла, у посоха, что ей богатством грозит, и возле которого топкие кресла, в одном из которых желанье сидит...
There is probably some unconscious alterations to the "muscle memory" that affect the outcome of the performance. Machines can be programed to output the notes in the same order but something (in current technologies) often gets lost.
Muscle memory certainly helps with notes and fingerings, however expression is obviously the mind...and as someone said before if you make a slip it is the mind that will get you back on track, which is the reason most pianists have the score in their head when they perform pieces from memory. Going slightly OT...there are conductors who memorize orchestral scores to conduct...there is no muscle memory there.
I only started learning it a few days ago, and so it's too early to make a judgment... but so far it seems easier than any of the other Chopin etudes I'm learning. It seems most pianists tend to rate opus 10 no. 1 and 2, and opus 25 no. 6 and 11 as the hardest.
As far as I know, the cerebelum, one of the most primitive parts in our brain, is responsible for memorize pieces, as long as someone spend time practing the cerebelum gathers all "important info" to memorize the notes, pedals and even dynamics and which muscles, fingers and feet the body needs to use during the performance. Considering that Valentina is a genius and practices a lot, her cerebelum has already gathered all required info to memorize and play the piece.
Decided to take this interpretation up, since it was the easiest (i.e. actually possible) one to play for me, and just today I figured out that it sounds best with minimal pedal - no wonder I could never hear the left-hand melody lolol
Yes, "sempre legato". As far as it is possible. The problem is, that the upper note of the right hand remains very often the same note, while the accord of the other fingers of the same hand are changing. So, the 5th finger has to accomplish a "legato" with himself, which is almost impossible ;)
in my opinion, you memorize with both. In concerts, its my muscies doing the playing while my head is thinking about hoe to play the piece emotionally. And i disagree that muscles forget and cannot remember. If i played a piece before, i can blank my mind and my hands start playing it.
It sounds like a piano study... there is so much more beauty and melody to uncover in this piece. It says "as legato as possible", which requires a quite different approach and sound, maybe somewhat less agressive ...
As a consequence of this, if your muscles doesn't learn where to use more less power, and weight, and how to articulate differently, and so on, in order to make the piece interesting (and preventing it from sounding like a piano-student just handling the technical difficulties), it doesn't matter if you have the musical idea in your head.. Your muscles need to learn first.
There is a relation between the past and the present when you're playing, you may add context to that piece, is just like anatomy class,,, you wouldn't be able to learn all nameable with out prior studies about it, they need anatomical models, skeletons, diagrams, photographs etc... although we need to find another method to study such pieces with out burning out our brain,,, it's name is work efficiently which is very difficult to find out...
E? I could never do that, no matter how much I tried to memorise it I couldn't sit and imagine my fingers in all the right places. I can play a piece of music back in my mind as if I am listening it, but visually? I don't know what kinda flawless visual memory you have or what crazy meditation you do.. perhaps you could enlighten me?
anyone who is dedicated enough to learn all the chopin etudes is bound to have plenty of "soul" in their playing.. have you consider that maybe this isnt one of her favourites, i dont think its fair to expect every piece a pianist plays to be interpreted just how you like it.
I have done a big research on musical memory and belive me - muscle memory isnt the best and far not the only one. I can learn a piece without a piano(just look into the notes) and play it from beginning to the end. Is that muscle? Nope. RUclips isnt the place to talk long about it. But You are wrong
when you memorize a text, you don't memorize each letter, you memorize words, and sentences, and senses, same thing for music : learn musical theory, only instrument is not enough !!!! it's exactly like a language, except that you use your fingers instead of your tongue / vocal strings / lips
yeah, u get to the point where, if you do screw up, you don't even look at the notes to figure it out, because you've forgotten them lol. kind of a bad habit tho
My great grandmother played this in a recital in 1925. Love that music can transcend so much time
This piece of music has possibly the most unique structure I've ever seen and heard. I've never seen this type of technique EVER in music.
It's. Where u change chords
Look at Schumann toccata or a couple of other pieces I’d have to remember the name of it. Misty toccata
Chopin invented his own technique at the piano.
Ah, the toccata etude. Lisitsa performs this flawlessly, clean, melody clear, Perfect dynamics, balance, and articulation. Great performance
The Chopin etudes are so unique and original! I've heard them so many times and they still seem new to me :)
Me too
It's amazing how Chopin wrote these set of etudes at such a young age, thank you lisitsa for playing
@Hanwen Liu no need to reply twice in a row with the same comment
@Hanwen Liu lol
Hanwen Liu He was 19 when he started to compose these etudes. took years to finish all of them tho
NehathSnauzbart he was 19 when he started to compose these etudes. Took years to finish them tho
@Hanwen Liu He was 19 when he started to compose these etudes. took years to finish all of them tho
My favorite part is 1:05
Brilliant!! I can never believe how this study doesn't get more exposure! I think it's amazing and dream of playing it one day :-)
7番の右手をレガートに最初弾かないの初めて聞いたのですが…良い意味でキレがあって聴きやすかったです！😍
Look so effortless!
Quick, but delicate. Her fabulous piano voice's as if cover the sky. It can make me relaxed, release and ease my stress. Yet, she can played more quickly. That's better. She is full of expression and can concentrated on the piano by heart. Um...few pianist did this, but she did.
But only her passion and emotion make the music so beautiful.
Congratulations again Valentina :)
@davidthemagnet The point is, when you imagine playing the piano, it actually works the same parts of the brain as when you really play. There was an article on this in the journal of neuroscience. I can try to find it-
Either way, at his level, you are able to "read" a piece, think of playing it enough, and eventually be able to play it...but not something like Prok 2 :P
i went through a period of many months,in the late 80s when all i listened to was Chopin,,redefining beautiful music
Chopin has created so many cool, original sounds with his etudes.
I'm sure if you search on youtube for "A wonderful encounter with valentina lisitsa" there is a video in which she states that all of her playing is done from muscle memory; her hands just fall into the correct places without having to think.
Because not many can play this etude quite as beautifully as she does. :)
This is proof that there is talent out there in the universe. Speaking of which, when you here this, think of million stars and the wide expanse of the universe. It reminds me of an ELO song.
You're muscle memory is actually the best memory you have. Doesn't always feel that way, but just imagine that you'd have to try to remember each morning how to walk or stand up. Or how to speak or write. Of course language is being controlled by a different part of your brain, but the actual speaking and writing is done by muscles.
It's your best memory, you just need to know how to use it and once you get that under control, it's easy to learn a piece by heart. =)
Gran pianista.
Absolute precision. :)
She is so fantistic! Can She perform or what! After the third or fourth encore the audience is still cheering. Love You Valentina. Will get the London Performance the first chance I get. Later Dan
I've also heard that it's a song designed to teach a specific physical technique but still be musical. Look up the song Echo Etude, by a guitarist named Yngwie Malmsteen
you have to love a beautiful piano player
My first Chopin etude! (And I still struggle with it 28 years later!)
its brilliant i dont get why people are saying "its just muscle memory" etc, might aswell say well shes just using human arms... lets not forget how beatutifully she played it and how dedicated she has been to the piano.
For you muscle memory folks, try this... place your thumb and second finger on C (two fingers on the same key, it's also called the two finger etude), your third finger on D and your pinky on the B natural above the two. Hold that for a while. That's measure 29. Valentina gets my respect.
best version on youtube. great playing.
Warum man diese schöne Musik so geistlos herunter rattern muß, bleibt das Geheimnis der Klavierspielerin. Allerdings rattern viele andere ebenso geistlos und von allen Musen verlassen - und scheinen damit viele zu beeindrucken. Armer Chopin!
0:24 Chopin played Bambuco :O omg!!
this one makes me think of super mario for some reason haha
WOW....incredible!!
@itsanthonyhere yeahh, i think something similar with my old piano teacher was that he was able to play a tonne of repertoire as a result of teaching it to other students, yet at the same time, he has never practiced or sat down to learn these pieces. Just looking at the music and teaching it was enough to learn the piece from a non-physical perspective.
Yes, "sempre legato". As far as it is possible. The problem is, that the upper note of the right hand remains very often the same note, while the accord of the other fingers of the same hand are changing. So, the 5th finger has to accomplish a "legato" with himself, which is almost impossible ;)
not all professional pianist can play all the 24 etude by chopin. she is fantastic as she can play everything!
Am I the only one more fascinated by Chopin's composition than Valentina's playing? xD Regardless, fantastic interpretation!
@Grigor99 I agree. Yours will definitely be the best version though I've never actually heard it but you seem to definitely know what your talking about, or at least I think you do.
I don't know what happened to my previous post, well here it goes again:
As far as I know, the cerebelum, one of the primitive parts of our brain, is responsible to gather all "important information" to memorize notes, pedals and dynamics, and also the muscles, fingers and feet the body must use to performance. And of course, the more you practice, the more you improve, because your cerebelum will gather more information. That's why Valentina plays anything flawlessly.
OMG she's not only gorgeous but she plays masterfully and beautifully.
@analka1 They don't remember each and every note separately, they subdivide the work into processable chunks, as in "Here come the 8 bars where the violins take the lead".
You are the reincarnation of Chopin ♫
a beautiful or awful piece depending how it is played and it is played wonderfully
OMG...I ove you!!!!
@ldailey06 same as for all etudes. just lots of practice, dedication and time.
Awesome! TY.
I believe you are right. But I also seem to recall that learned skills start out as very conscious (i.e. a product of the neocortex) and as practiced it's taken over by "lower" levels of the the brain. This is why you can often drive a familiar route and not remember it because every turn in the road and even responses to other traffic starts falling below the level of conscious thought. First you master the basics, then you can use emotional interpretation to perfect the expression.
@davidthemagnet some people have such inherent muscle memory that that can play a piece of music maybe a few times and can easily recall it thereafter.
masterpiece
ending is perfect
I am playing this etüde and I can tell that if you can't memorize something in this etüde (and in many many other cases), it doesn't help to try to remember it, by picturing the score in your head. You muscles have to learn it. Physiological research has demonstrated, that when playing and memorizing a piece, muscle-memory stands for 90% of the memorizingprocess..
mental memory! muscle memory will fail you if you get nervous and 'lose' it. called having a 'blackout' during recital
To check you have it all memorized properly, sit down and imagine you playing the whole piece. if you have trouble playing both hands simultaneously in your mind, do one hand after the other. if you are able to do this through, you have memorized optimally, with no risk of forgetting anything during performance
HAHa omg once u said that haha
ahh there stuck in my head xD
I can't believe I have never heard this piece before
its a study of "light touch" or tocatta.
7番はリシッツァが一番好きだわ
Солнцеволосая
......
Кудряво-лучистая, ясная дива,
как жёлтая бабочка средь полутьмы,
себя отдаёт мелодичным мотивам,
цепляясь за нитку стальной тетивы.
Душистая, будто бы спелая дыня,
что пахнет искусством и солнышком тут.
Она, как оазис средь тесной пустыни,
что греет мою третьстолетнюю ртуть.
Её молодое, златое свеченье
под стать самим Сауле, Сурье и Ра.
И к ней разгораются жар и влеченье,
и к новому кону стремится игра.
Лимонно-спирально-густые пружинки
свисают на плечи, на спину и грудь,
на чёрные ленты, куски паутинки,
в какие одета медовая суть…
Она - мотылёк у блестящего жезла,
у посоха, что ей богатством грозит,
и возле которого топкие кресла,
в одном из которых желанье сидит...
Brava. Grazie. Ciao :-)
Bravo!
Now I feel like I can't play the piano :(
Well, someday I might play this.
There is probably some unconscious alterations to the "muscle memory" that affect the outcome of the performance. Machines can be programed to output the notes in the same order but something (in current technologies) often gets lost.
oh my god MagicDolphinGO you made me laugh
Muscle memory certainly helps with notes and fingerings, however expression is obviously the mind...and as someone said before if you make a slip it is the mind that will get you back on track, which is the reason most pianists have the score in their head when they perform pieces from memory. Going slightly OT...there are conductors who memorize orchestral scores to conduct...there is no muscle memory there.
the memory part aside, I've heard some pianists say this is the hardest of all Chopin's etudes.
I only started learning it a few days ago, and so it's too early to make a judgment... but so far it seems easier than any of the other Chopin etudes I'm learning.
It seems most pianists tend to rate opus 10 no. 1 and 2, and opus 25 no. 6 and 11 as the hardest.
it is very difficult indeed, but not as difficult or technically demanding as some other etudes e.g. etude op 10 no 1/etude op 10 no 2/etude 25 no 6
the cameraman is too happy
As far as I know, the cerebelum, one of the most primitive parts in our brain, is responsible for memorize pieces, as long as someone spend time practing the cerebelum gathers all "important info" to memorize the notes, pedals and even dynamics and which muscles, fingers and feet the body needs to use during the performance. Considering that Valentina is a genius and practices a lot, her cerebelum has already gathered all required info to memorize and play the piece.
0:24-0:34 Sounds very familiar!
Omg i'd never be able to play this :S. Maybe you can play it in this tempo for a while, but its very tireing too.
First I thought the video was muted... then I realized your volume has to be surprisingly high for the video to make any sound...
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hm, I thought the score said sempre legato - I guess it's up to interpretation? That, and maybe that's why it's sounds mushy when I play it?
Decided to take this interpretation up, since it was the easiest (i.e. actually possible) one to play for me, and just today I figured out that it sounds best with minimal pedal - no wonder I could never hear the left-hand melody lolol
Yes, "sempre legato". As far as it is possible. The problem is, that the upper note of the right hand remains very often the same note, while the accord of the other fingers of the same hand are changing. So, the 5th finger has to accomplish a "legato" with himself, which is almost impossible ;)
אני, מלחין זה, אני אוהב.
העם הזה, בבקשה לנגן את השיר.
אנחנו מצפים לזה.
אני גם לשחק.
in my opinion, you memorize with both. In concerts, its my muscies doing the playing while my head is thinking about hoe to play the piece emotionally. And i disagree that muscles forget and cannot remember. If i played a piece before, i can blank my mind and my hands start playing it.
It sounds like a piano study... there is so much more beauty and melody to uncover in this piece. It says "as legato as possible", which requires a quite different approach and sound, maybe somewhat less agressive ...
As a consequence of this, if your muscles doesn't learn where to use more less power, and weight, and how to articulate differently, and so on, in order to make the piece interesting (and preventing it from sounding like a piano-student just handling the technical difficulties), it doesn't matter if you have the musical idea in your head.. Your muscles need to learn first.
@bluntmasterflash Not really..but she's good..very good.
@l00kxitsxpiax Of course
Can somebody tell me what this etude means? I don't understand what it conveys.
@atanasios He said easier than u think. im assuming he meant its not impossible.
There is a relation between the past and the present when you're playing, you may add context to that piece, is just like anatomy class,,, you wouldn't be able to learn all nameable with out prior studies about it, they need anatomical models, skeletons, diagrams, photographs etc... although we need to find another method to study such pieces with out burning out our brain,,, it's name is work efficiently which is very difficult to find out...
@MusicClassical1
haha! "he" :P
@ldailey06 If you're just playing it yes, but like everything else, it's a lot harder to play them well.
To me the etudes seems more like finger training than pieces made for listening.
Even though they sound fantastic:)
That's why they're etudes.
E? I could never do that, no matter how much I tried to memorise it I couldn't sit and imagine my fingers in all the right places. I can play a piece of music back in my mind as if I am listening it, but visually? I don't know what kinda flawless visual memory you have or what crazy meditation you do.. perhaps you could enlighten me?
Its not visual memory. Fingers have memory.
it's not all muscle memory, if you rely solely on your fingers then you're screwed.
anyone who is dedicated enough to learn all the chopin etudes is bound to have plenty of "soul" in their playing.. have you consider that maybe this isnt one of her favourites, i dont think its fair to expect every piece a pianist plays to be interpreted just how you like it.
I have done a big research on musical memory and belive me - muscle memory isnt the best and far not the only one. I can learn a piece without a piano(just look into the notes) and play it from beginning to the end. Is that muscle? Nope. RUclips isnt the place to talk long about it. But You are wrong
who says that a "lots of practice" is an easy thing dear Idailey06?
when you memorize a text, you don't memorize each letter, you memorize words, and sentences, and senses, same thing for music : learn musical theory, only instrument is not enough !!!! it's exactly like a language, except that you use your fingers instead of your tongue / vocal strings / lips
She must be a grade 1....................hundred
In fact we don't remember all the notes... we remember the shapes they form...
a bunch of woodland animals coming out and dancing in the moonlight.
sie ist absolut locker und bestimmt auch sehr musikalisch, aber ich komm mit ihrem Anschlag nicht zurecht
Oh look she's sleeping in this etude too... She's that good :L
@hymntonight lol.
Weird catchy etude... I like the last part so quirky
this is cool but i think Etude No. 1 in C is a lot harder to play...
Is like "wrong note"
@hwcreatureha ..Wonder if she thimks the same
yeah, u get to the point where, if you do screw up, you don't even look at the notes to figure it out, because you've forgotten them lol. kind of a bad habit tho
I guess you can always stick to playing with just your index fingers and call it "art." However, anything this difficult requires practice.
I know you're making a skill comparison but what the hell are you talking about?