Had I been of voting age, I would have voted for Kinnock (or maybe Liberal) rather than Thatcher, and was a great critic of her's. But this video highlights a significant difference between them. Listening to Kinnock, I almost nodded off, lost all thread of what he was saying, and in the end had to cut him off in mid stream and just whizz on to Thatcher. She spoke with conviction and clarity, and seemed sincere and quite passionate, making her answers far easier to listen to and make sense of.
During state visits to the UK it is standard protocol for the visiting head of state to have a meeting with the leader of the opposition, and the leaders of all the political parties represented in the House of Commons.
@@MagicNash89 Gorbachev also met with Gordon Mclennan, general secretary of the Communist Party of Great Britain, when he made these visits as leader of the Soviet Union
Да к встречался с Горбачевым да я помню его приезд был интересный тогда он все время такие моменты были политические там очень интересные моменты были у них вообще чудо было
Опять то самое, опять люди рассказывают, они маргачер, вот оттуда я все узнала, потому что только тут можно было узнать, что здесь рассказывали на канале, я смотрела с переводом на русский язык, но интересно было, как рассказывали про. Да это чудо, что это тема вновь и вновь потихоньку поднимается политических моментах о её работе с премьер-министрами, политиками. О боже, как приятно, что многие рассказывают о ней я так счастлива, что уже это в традицию! Пошло опять рассказать о ней спасибо вам огромное чтобы они так много рассказывает так приятно вспоминать о ней столько много интересного
My theory is that the only reason he ever came to power was because other factions saw the writing on the wall and didn't want to be holding the bag when it fell. They began manoeuvring with useful idiots like Yeltsin and other proto-autocrats in the republics as fronts to ensconce themselves in wealth as their Soviet project failed. Would be interested to hear your view.
@@ravenseft It was an option, with some amendments, because the Chinese took the ideas of Nikolai Bukharian for their reforms - an early Bolshevik, who took part in the New Economic Policy (NEP) development in the 1920s which restored Soviet Russian economy. The bigger problem for Gorbachev was the legacy he got, I don't know enough about China in the 1970s to compare the two countries on this though.
@@MagicNash89 It was a very different story in China with the New Enlightenment after the death of Mao. Chinese liberalism was on the rise from the 1970s, leaving the USSR reactionary in comparison. The war in Afghanistan, no reinvestment under Brezhnev and Chernobyl left no room for such a radical departure. There was massive discontent by Winter 1989. We can be grateful to Gorbachev that the USSR collapsed without extended violent conflict, as was the case with Yugoslavia.
All the other factions knew the sums didn't add up, ran away and didn't oppose him when he was "elected". He was their useful idiot to give them space while they became the first oligarchs and are long diversified and insulated against any of Putin's tentacles. The officer class in the army saw what was happening but too late.
He's right, look what's happening today, would never have happened if Ukraine were still part of the soviet union, not just that you had the unrest in the Caucasus and the civil war in Georgia
@@TheGuitarist36 Its been a disaster for all the ex-USSR states demographically, they are all dying, and a disaster for the west in terms of completely unopposed neo-liberalism. We may have destroyed communism, but then capitalism destroyed us/itself.
@TheGuitarist36 they would still have been in the iron grip of crushing communism though, is that a good thing? Personally I'm not a fan of servitude,apparently some think it's a great idea!
Had I been of voting age, I would have voted for Kinnock (or maybe Liberal) rather than Thatcher, and was a great critic of her's. But this video highlights a significant difference between them. Listening to Kinnock, I almost nodded off, lost all thread of what he was saying, and in the end had to cut him off in mid stream and just whizz on to Thatcher. She spoke with conviction and clarity, and seemed sincere and quite passionate, making her answers far easier to listen to and make sense of.
Kinnock speaks endlessly without getting to the point. My mother does the same thing. It's very annoying.
Given that Thatcher wasn’t Prime Minister in 1991 - where’s John Major in this selected footage?
He was having his tea and his private secretary (Sir Arnold Franklin) told ITN that he was not to be disturbed.
You’d think that Thatcher was still Prime Minister lol 😂
Just learned Kinnock actually met Gorbachev, don't know much else beyond that. Never heard of Gorbachev meeting Leaders of Opposition before
kinnock was a man who made labor electable after reforming a lot of the party or down right removing members.
During state visits to the UK it is standard protocol for the visiting head of state to have a meeting with the leader of the opposition, and the leaders of all the political parties represented in the House of Commons.
@@jojojojo4332So "electable" he never won a general election.
@@MagicNash89 Gorbachev also met with Gordon Mclennan, general secretary of the Communist Party of Great Britain, when he made these visits as leader of the Soviet Union
0:05 Pot, kettle
Да к встречался с Горбачевым да я помню его приезд был интересный тогда он все время такие моменты были политические там очень интересные моменты были у них вообще чудо было
Опять то самое, опять люди рассказывают, они маргачер, вот оттуда я все узнала, потому что только тут можно было узнать, что здесь рассказывали на канале, я смотрела с переводом на русский язык, но интересно было, как рассказывали про. Да это чудо, что это тема вновь и вновь потихоньку поднимается политических моментах о её работе с премьер-министрами, политиками. О боже, как приятно, что многие рассказывают о ней я так счастлива, что уже это в традицию! Пошло опять рассказать о ней спасибо вам огромное чтобы они так много рассказывает так приятно вспоминать о ней столько много интересного
My theory is that the only reason he ever came to power was because other factions saw the writing on the wall and didn't want to be holding the bag when it fell. They began manoeuvring with useful idiots like Yeltsin and other proto-autocrats in the republics as fronts to ensconce themselves in wealth as their Soviet project failed.
Would be interested to hear your view.
Interesting to me that Kinnock's comments seem to resonate better with me than Thatcher's.
Iron Lady
Gorbachev sold out to pizza hut and the west
He tried to reform an un-reformable system that was already collapsing. Going down the Chinese route wasn't an option.
@@ravenseft It was an option, with some amendments, because the Chinese took the ideas of Nikolai Bukharian for their reforms - an early Bolshevik, who took part in the New Economic Policy (NEP) development in the 1920s which restored Soviet Russian economy. The bigger problem for Gorbachev was the legacy he got, I don't know enough about China in the 1970s to compare the two countries on this though.
@@MagicNash89 It was a very different story in China with the New Enlightenment after the death of Mao. Chinese liberalism was on the rise from the 1970s, leaving the USSR reactionary in comparison. The war in Afghanistan, no reinvestment under Brezhnev and Chernobyl left no room for such a radical departure. There was massive discontent by Winter 1989. We can be grateful to Gorbachev that the USSR collapsed without extended violent conflict, as was the case with Yugoslavia.
All the other factions knew the sums didn't add up, ran away and didn't oppose him when he was "elected". He was their useful idiot to give them space while they became the first oligarchs and are long diversified and insulated against any of Putin's tentacles. The officer class in the army saw what was happening but too late.
Great woman!
A total disaster
Sure, Vlad.
He's right, look what's happening today, would never have happened if Ukraine were still part of the soviet union, not just that you had the unrest in the Caucasus and the civil war in Georgia
@@TheGuitarist36 Its been a disaster for all the ex-USSR states demographically, they are all dying, and a disaster for the west in terms of completely unopposed neo-liberalism.
We may have destroyed communism, but then capitalism destroyed us/itself.
@TheGuitarist36 they would still have been in the iron grip of crushing communism though, is that a good thing? Personally I'm not a fan of servitude,apparently some think it's a great idea!
@@thunder-from-the-steppe Maggie, my name's not Vlad