Russia was only one republic of the USSR and Ukraine was another. Kiev was not part of Russia, but Ukraine. Of course, the narrator mixed up the Soviet Union with Russia.
Ничего он не перепутал. Украина была просто регионом Советского Союза или России как называли страну на Западе. Отличий между Киевом и Москвой было меньше чем между Берлином и Мюнхеном или Барселоной и Мадридом!
@@НиколайИванов-н СССР официально провозглашал себя союзом республик и отрицал какую-либо преемственность с царской Россией. РСФСР была единственной республикой у которой не было своей партии. Это серьезная уступка в пользу меньшинств которую нельзя игнорировать и которая несовместима с тем чтобы СССР считать просто Россией.
@@xxvxxv5588 СССР сидит в ООН под табличкой Российская Федерация! Кроме замены таблички больше ничего не было! Никаких документов о ликвидации СССР нет! В ООН и совбез ООН в 1991 году государство РФ не принимали! Ликвидация СССР- фейк!
You are somewhat mistaken in your assessment of the event; it was 1959, the time of the Khrushchev thaw and de-Stalinization, and it was in that year that the Gulag ceased to exist at all. What you are talking about would have been possible if a woman had said this ten years earlier, in 1949.
@@nazard1284You are right, and after Thaw nobody was persecuted in Soviet Union for political reason. I wonder what the Russian term refusenik means and why did it come about.
@@pawelpap9 Is this where I wrote that political persecution has stopped? Mass repressions against citizens stopped for some random statement, but repressions against people who were in opposition to the USSR and engaged in anti-Soviet activities naturally remained, no one denies this. But for the words the girl said, she certainly won’t face anything, for she did not speak out against the Soviet regime in any way, but simply translated.
You got that wrong the Germans did not blow up old churches it was done by the Soviet NKVD using remote control mines in 1941 . Over 60 explosions occurred before the Germans have taken Kyiv in September.
That was probably the official line and back then hard to find proof otherwise for a news organization surrounded by ‘minders’ with all the restrictions that entailed.
@asdvet1918 The truth hurts your eyes yes it was the NKVD who had teams laying 200 remote control mines all over Kyiv in September 1941.The destruction of one hydroelectric power station was also done by the NKVD responsible of flooding vast areas of Ukrainian land and thousands of citizens were killed in 1941 .
Excellent piece of broadcasting history and top marks for Robin Day for asking some awkward questions although he sometimes seemed to confuse the Soviet Union with Russia. Remarkable fact that 100% of the electorate in Russia turned out to vote... Russian propaganda is as believable then as it is now.
1994 the people of Donbas and Crimea overwhelmingly voted for greater autonomy. The people of Crimea overwhelmingly voted for dual Russia/Ukrainian citizenship. The Crimean presidency was ended by Kiev/Kyiv in 1995.
@@hazelwray4184 My point was that Mr Day mentioned that Kyiv was part of Russia, which of course it wasn't (it was part of the Soviet Union) and hopefully never will be in the future. I never mentioned the illegal occupation by Russia of Donbas or Crimea but feel free if you want to argue about it - unlike Russians, we still live in the free world where we can express our own thoughts and views.
@@DistortionGallerywhat are you smoking, Kiev was part of the Russian Empire since the 17th century. It has only been part of an independent Ukrainian state since 1991
Did the political opponents vote ? or were they branded as criminals? , how many parties participated ?, we know the poor souls in the gulags did not vote !
@@joeperkowskiand you think in the West they not live under dictatorship???. I challenge you just tray to Change something the party dont like!. The whole world is Living under dictatorships!. Its all Illusion!
You can find on RUclips interviews with contemporary Russians. They are scared and confused as they were three generations ago. Or 10, for that matter.
@AnimalMagic1 yeah, Ukraine had a higher standard of living then it does now. Ukriane now has a similar standard of living to central America. Ukriane back then had a standard of living similar too austria and Italy
Raphael Lemkin defined the term & criteria for genocide in 1944. He wrote Soviet Genocide in Ukraine which includes the Holodomor (death by starvation of the Ukrainian peasantry), the extermination of the Ukrainian intelligentsia, destruction and mass murder of the Ukrainian church/clergy & mass deportations of Ukrainians to Siberia. The Holodomor Genocide and Great Terror purges of the 1930s & 40s have been covered up in the UK by the press, main stream media and successive governments for decades. Millions of Ukrainians murdered by soviet communists. Estimates go up to ten million and beyond. Not taught in British schools, not commemorated alongside other genocides on Holocaust Memorial Day and not officially recognised by the British government despite the House of Commons voting to do so in May 2023. Forbidden history! Never again? WTF!!!
You mean the last famine to affect multiple soviet republics that literally was the last time food insecurity existed util collapse. Not to mention there had been multiple famines every few years in these regions. It’s called a developing nation. The words of Robert Service and Robert Conquest are in your analysis. If not the words of the SS themselves
Early Bolshevik agricultural policies harmed millions and killed many across the USSR - the specific and intentional genocide of "ethnic Ukrainians" has basically no historical evidence supporting it, which is why it was not very widely regarded as a theory even in academia until rather recently, when it became politically useful against the RF (which Western academics tent to polemicise against more forcefully than they ever did the USSR during its existence).
@@zusty9589 As an ethnic Ukrainian myself, I want to say that we were not just part of Soviet Union and describing us in such way is actually offensive. We are distinct culture. Just like India or Malaysia in those days were something more than just part of the British Empire. We suffered heavy losses that caused the death of approximately 10% of global Ukrainian population and this would not have happened if not for the brutal policy of Moscow and systemic ukrainephobia that was inherited by the Soviet Union from the Russian Empire. The Holodomor is recognized as genocide even by Hungary and Slovakia despite these are certainly not anti-Russian or pro-Ukrainian countries.
06:15 that uncomfortable and awkward silence after THAT question 😅
My mother language IS Russian. It was so nice to hear perfect British english
7:53 “Why worry about something that isn’t going to happen.” - KGB First Deputy Chairman Charkov, Chernobyl miniseries
If the USSR was so terrible and authoritarian, why would they let international hostile journalists roam free and talk to anyone they find?
Russia was only one republic of the USSR and Ukraine was another. Kiev was not part of Russia, but Ukraine. Of course, the narrator mixed up the Soviet Union with Russia.
Ничего он не перепутал. Украина была просто регионом Советского Союза или России как называли страну на Западе. Отличий между Киевом и Москвой было меньше чем между Берлином и Мюнхеном или Барселоной и Мадридом!
The USSR included 15 republics. The Ukrainian SSR was part of the USSR. But in general they did not divide, but lived in one country.
@@НиколайИванов-н
СССР официально провозглашал себя союзом республик и отрицал какую-либо преемственность с царской Россией. РСФСР была единственной республикой у которой не было своей партии. Это серьезная уступка в пользу меньшинств которую нельзя игнорировать и которая несовместима с тем чтобы СССР считать просто Россией.
@@xxvxxv5588 СССР сидит в ООН под табличкой Российская Федерация! Кроме замены таблички больше ничего не было! Никаких документов о ликвидации СССР нет! В ООН и совбез ООН в 1991 году государство РФ не принимали! Ликвидация СССР- фейк!
The translator seemed a tad flummoxed at the questions about the elections …. I hope she didn’t end up aboard the next train to the Gulag
You are somewhat mistaken in your assessment of the event; it was 1959, the time of the Khrushchev thaw and de-Stalinization, and it was in that year that the Gulag ceased to exist at all. What you are talking about would have been possible if a woman had said this ten years earlier, in 1949.
@@nazard1284You are right, and after Thaw nobody was persecuted in Soviet Union for political reason. I wonder what the Russian term refusenik means and why did it come about.
@@pawelpap9 Is this where I wrote that political persecution has stopped? Mass repressions against citizens stopped for some random statement, but repressions against people who were in opposition to the USSR and engaged in anti-Soviet activities naturally remained, no one denies this. But for the words the girl said, she certainly won’t face anything, for she did not speak out against the Soviet regime in any way, but simply translated.
That would still be a better fate than your love life 😋
That's very likely but then again she knew what she was getting into.
Fascinating!
4:39 I’m surprised they let him acknowledge that Lenin was brought back to Russia by the Germans.
Why? That's never been hidden from history. No matter what capitalist propagandists say.
Зйомки Радянської України 1950-х - Робін Дей досліджує життя за залізною завісою (1959)
Who was looking after Frank while Robin was away?
You got that wrong the Germans did not blow up old churches it was done by the Soviet NKVD using remote control mines in 1941 . Over 60 explosions occurred before the Germans have taken Kyiv in September.
That was probably the official line and back then hard to find proof otherwise for a news organization surrounded by ‘minders’ with all the restrictions that entailed.
Можно поподробнее?
They may have lied to him, probably would’ve took him in if he really did say the Soviet NKVD
Ты уверен? Ты прикрываешь преступления своих нацистских преступников
@asdvet1918 The truth hurts your eyes yes it was the NKVD who had teams laying 200 remote control mines all over Kyiv in September 1941.The destruction of one hydroelectric power station was also done by the NKVD responsible of flooding vast areas of Ukrainian land and thousands of citizens were killed in 1941 .
Excellent piece of broadcasting history and top marks for Robin Day for asking some awkward questions although he sometimes seemed to confuse the Soviet Union with Russia. Remarkable fact that 100% of the electorate in Russia turned out to vote... Russian propaganda is as believable then as it is now.
1994 the people of Donbas and Crimea overwhelmingly voted for greater autonomy. The people of Crimea overwhelmingly voted for dual Russia/Ukrainian citizenship.
The Crimean presidency was ended by Kiev/Kyiv in 1995.
@@hazelwray4184 My point was that Mr Day mentioned that Kyiv was part of Russia, which of course it wasn't (it was part of the Soviet Union) and hopefully never will be in the future.
I never mentioned the illegal occupation by Russia of Donbas or Crimea but feel free if you want to argue about it - unlike Russians, we still live in the free world where we can express our own thoughts and views.
@@DistortionGallery you actually believe we live in a free world 😂 bless you.
Сало уронил, англо-нацик
@@DistortionGallerywhat are you smoking, Kiev was part of the Russian Empire since the 17th century. It has only been part of an independent Ukrainian state since 1991
Tenían un país con industrias eran casi 52 millones vivían en paz y relativamente bien , miren ahora lo que son 😢😢😢😢
Vivian en Paz???? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
And all we have is evil starmer
Did the political opponents vote ? or were they branded as criminals? , how many parties participated ?, we know the poor souls in the gulags did not vote !
I think that it's the same as it ever was.
Modern day Russia is looking a whole lot better than modern day Britain.
Yeah if you want to live under a dictator....weak person
🤡
@@joeperkowskiand you think in the West they not live under dictatorship???. I challenge you just tray to Change something the party dont like!. The whole world is Living under dictatorships!. Its all Illusion!
Hardly. Over 1/3 of Russians don't even have toilets. Your propaganda doesn't work here, Ivan. 😂
You can find on RUclips interviews with contemporary Russians. They are scared and confused as they were three generations ago. Or 10, for that matter.
ah great nation before the capitalism!
You think. All those republics are far better off free from communism.
Really ??
Yeah, great nation which just 20 years before this video killed off some of their own brilliant minds like Nikolai Kondratieff and so many others.
@@AnimalMagic1 No, pro-soviet rubbish.
@AnimalMagic1 yeah, Ukraine had a higher standard of living then it does now. Ukriane now has a similar standard of living to central America. Ukriane back then had a standard of living similar too austria and Italy
Its probably still all the same in reality, war or no war. A good blast from the past!!!!
sounds like the eu in 2024. who elected the president of the eu who did them put him in power
They should have stayed Soviet
I am glad it’s gone. A Relic of the past
Raphael Lemkin defined the term & criteria for genocide in 1944. He wrote Soviet Genocide in Ukraine which includes the Holodomor (death by starvation of the Ukrainian peasantry), the extermination of the Ukrainian intelligentsia, destruction and mass murder of the Ukrainian church/clergy & mass deportations of Ukrainians to Siberia. The Holodomor Genocide and Great Terror purges of the 1930s & 40s have been covered up in the UK by the press, main stream media and successive governments for decades. Millions of Ukrainians murdered by soviet communists. Estimates go up to ten million and beyond. Not taught in British schools, not commemorated alongside other genocides on Holocaust Memorial Day and not officially recognised by the British government despite the House of Commons voting to do so in May 2023. Forbidden history! Never again? WTF!!!
You mean the last famine to affect multiple soviet republics that literally was the last time food insecurity existed util collapse. Not to mention there had been multiple famines every few years in these regions. It’s called a developing nation. The words of Robert Service and Robert Conquest are in your analysis. If not the words of the SS themselves
This idea that the Soviets committed genocide doesn’t make sense
Early Bolshevik agricultural policies harmed millions and killed many across the USSR - the specific and intentional genocide of "ethnic Ukrainians" has basically no historical evidence supporting it, which is why it was not very widely regarded as a theory even in academia until rather recently, when it became politically useful against the RF (which Western academics tent to polemicise against more forcefully than they ever did the USSR during its existence).
@@zusty9589
As an ethnic Ukrainian myself, I want to say that we were not just part of Soviet Union and describing us in such way is actually offensive. We are distinct culture. Just like India or Malaysia in those days were something more than just part of the British Empire. We suffered heavy losses that caused the death of approximately 10% of global Ukrainian population and this would not have happened if not for the brutal policy of Moscow and systemic ukrainephobia that was inherited by the Soviet Union from the Russian Empire. The Holodomor is recognized as genocide even by Hungary and Slovakia despite these are certainly not anti-Russian or pro-Ukrainian countries.
Ah to be chattel for the power elite.