Whilst duplicate models are not ideal, I really enjoy these comparison reviews as its clear to see the relative strengths of each manufacturer. Would be interesting to see you review mgt wagons from both accurascale and cavalex
Ah, a revolution model! I’d heard of them, although they seemed obscure, so I’m glad to see them getting time in the spotlight, and for a first showing, it’s very impressive!
Nice review and fair and balanced as usual. You probably have an entirely new episode to do a show on "duplicate releases by different companies." It is a pro and con, and I see your point, but others, as well. Nuclear Flask transporters seem to have become a rage, especially in the UK, based on the hundreds of channels I have viewed the last couple years who show their new wagons. It is no surprise each of the companies are going to try quickly jump the bandwagon. In the Euro trains I model (with some UK stuff), the Big 3 companies in HO (Märklin/Trix, Piko, Roco), as well as many smaller companies, often release identical classes of loco and rolling stock in the same year or within a year of each other. Especially highly anticipated models. In 2018, both Märklin and Piko announced the release of the ICE4, the newest and most anticipated train of the German High-speed fleet. Piko rushed theirs to market in 2020 first, to great initial acclaim, but year-later reviews were less positive, though still good. It was also true 1:87 scale. Märklin delayed theirs for a production problem, so it did not see shelves until 2021. It was also in a reduced 1:93.5 scale but with a few more clever functions in the decoder. Sales for both were brisk and successful. So it is possible two companies can release similar or identical products and succeed. On the flip side, as you said, other desired models are not being released. Companies often play it quiet until they have reached a point, so by the time they announce a new product, it is too late to cancel it if someone else announces they are doing it first. I guess it would be great if companies shared what they were working on down the road to avoid crossovers, but they avoid that for competitive reasons. Still, a great debate that you would handle well in your style, as it is not just a UK but worldwide hobby-wide issue.
The patterned floors are chequer plate to stop you slipping in wet weather. The Red on and Green off is possibly to notify to the crew the status of the brakes given the positions. Yet another great video Sam.
Funny what you say about product duplication: in early days the NYC&HR S motor was made by... marklin, bing, lionel (all with multiple variations) American Flyer and Ives. The T motor American Flyer, Lionel, and Ives, Dorfan having a variant in a PRR design, boucher doing a tunnel motor which was a curious choice as they'd been withdrawn by 1910, and American Flyer did do a couple of variations of the New Haven. Seeing as throughout the twenties there were no steamers made by the major manufacturers (apart from the cheapest lines in 0) it was pretty much an electric outline locomotive, or maybe nothing at all in gauge 2 (standard/wide) Quite a few manufacturers did their own versions of the bipolar. Lionel at one point had 5 variations of the S motor at one point, all in production at the same time. Nice review :)
The Fixed tail lamp on the Accurascale while nice, does have some disadvantages. Quite often nuclear flasks are push pulled with a Loco on each end. Having a fixed tail lamp means running the model in loco hauled form only. As modding push pull with a fixed lamp, means not on the back of the train is against regulation. A removable lamp is actually better from an accuracy point of you.
Mukka... These wagons, like all modern day vehicles, do not have vacuum brakes! They are air brake pipes in the accessories bag chum. The white wheels on the bogies are handbrake wheels. And I was impressed with the red/green handbrake "on/off" indicator on the bogie sides as well. The padlocks won me over as well; excellent detail all over and better than Accurascale. Good review. Cheers from Oz. Gaz
Hi, great honest in-depth review of a great wagon, although Accurascale messed up with their choice of batteries to use, the fact you have to get your own is not good in my opinion I prefer the Accurascale model, rotating axel boxes is a cool addition to the model, the cast chassis on the Accurascale is also better than the plastic chassis Revolution have offered, I do like the underside of the Revolutions model. Both model blow the overpriced old model Bachmann have been selling for years which is inferior compared to the 2 new offering’s, thanks for sharing.
Blimey. Who'd have thought AS would have been given a run for it's money! The working light on the AS version is redundant if you decide to run the wagon(s) prototypically top & tailed. We are spoilt for choice. Great forensic test as always. Thanks Sam.
Oh well, always good to have choices Sam instead of one brand monopolising 😉 Close call here really. We would most probably go for the AS for several reasons. Firstly, we actually don't like too much free rolling all that greatly; makes shunting / coupling more problematic, and a higher chance of derailment is inherently a factor. Next, metal usually is a winner for us. The tail light is nice although not necessarily decisive. But lastly, R's buffers pointing a tad upwards have bothered us immediately, and once you notice something, it's difficult to unsee. However, close call. Cheerio.
For me I prefer the accurascale. Feels so nice in the hand and the extra detail of revolution's wouldnt be overly seen when its on the track. Especially when looking at photos of the real thing you really cant notice all that silver on the underside. Rotating axle boxes on AC's is a lovely touch which I do notice when running. But what really steals it for me is that flashing tail lamp. It just adds so much when you are running it. I also feel ac has slightly better value for money due to the extra features and metal construction
The weight issue is easy to rectify, add extra weights (depleted uranium would be good, denser then lead). The cover should fit over the load or over the retract possition for loading, hence the loose fit. I am not sure but the top and tailing is due to lack of head shunts and run round loops at facilities handling the waste rather then traction issues. It also gets round security issues of leaving wagons unattached to locomotives in secured facilities.
I’m fine with duplicate models since most of these have more than one version, but they have to hold up to the standards. So seeing this small-scale manufacturer live up to that is pretty impressive.
Ooh that is a close one, i don't think I've seen a product be so close regarding what's best. I guess it just comes down to whether you want a flashy light or not 😂😂
Just thinking on the horse box- Wouldnt it have been more like the horse carrying dandy cars used on horse drawn lines, each one for a single horse, loading from the rear.There is a lovely new replica on display at the railway museum at Shildon
So happy to see this review and, given I recommended product and manufacture, glad it’s a good outcome! FYI The “N” in Revolution is related to the fact that they started out with N gauge products and indeed there is an N gauge version of this model coming. I was talking to the owners this weekend at the International N gauge show where I picked up my latest pre-order N gauge wagons from them (ironically, developed in conjunction with Accurascale!). Great review that ties in very well with my experiences of the brand so far. Best.
Could you mention the derailing on points to them. I plan to run trains automatically and derailing could , massive damage with other trains running into a derailed one. It derailed every time.
You would be very lucky to see these flask wagons in 1:1 scale as they nearly always run overnight! They take nuclear material from Dungeness to Sellafield for processing into weapons grade plutonium for use on Trident submarine missiles. So nasty! Thanks for uploading.
Hi Sam. Try putting a bit more weight under the cover and see if it still derails on the points; it may very well be too light. As for derailing on points, the top two reasons are: 1) wheel gauge (which Sam checked), and 2) problems with the truck (bogie) pivoting where it meets the actual railcar (wagon.) HTH.
the fine detail on the paint job is the most impressive i recall seeing on your channel. and i think this is the most impressive piece of rolling stock since the dynomometer car. and if revolution is correct about the light, then the real cars would hardly ever have such a light fitted.
In my experience, RT produce some awesome wagons including some lovely 4 wheel caustic soda tanks and Cargowaggon twins. They bring a high level of detail at a reasonable price and the FNA-D is now very tempting having seen this review. Many thanks.
Yet another great review, I think I would buy 2 and save the £10 and go for the Revolution then add a bit more weight inside the easy to remove Flask 😅
The issue I believe was probably because the two bogies on a wagon are actually quite different, one can tilt freely from side to side while one rests on sliders that restrict its tilting to basically zero. This is done to allow the car to follow badly laid and canted tracks without being wobbly on straight level tracks. (called 3 point suspension or something like that). So on bad tracks the wagon will be more likely to derail going one direction than the other.
Nice to see you got the consist right! Class 68s also good for these. Don't worry about being gentle - I've seen these set off from Crewe with a LOT of clag.
I have 4 Accurascale versions and happy with these. While the detail maybe better on the Revolution Train based on Sam review I would take model not derailing over marginally more detail any day.
Decent review here Sam, looks like a really nice wagon, I Currently I don’t have any revolution trains products but I do have on order at the moment one of their OO class 180 units in the Grand Central Livery.
Do the Revolution ones have rotating axle boxes? Also the Accurascale wagons are 10% off if you buy more than one wagon box on their website which basically matches the Revolution price if you are buying multiple wagons. Worth considering when choosing! Great review, thanks Sam
I would go for the RT one, I have their Caroline and it’s stunning, had a numerous AS stock and locomotives and in my opinion not a single one has been without major issues, they are not as good as the industry and forums would have you believe
You fail to mention that RT's Caroline is overscale with the incorrect ride height and the PCB/lighting control is a dog's breakfast which is exasperated when you finally find and fit a suitable decoder...but yeah it looks good.
Guess it comes down to personal preference when it comes down to picking a Nuclear Flask Wagon. Always nice to have an option to pick between an individual Nuclear Flask Wagon and a "two-pack" of said Nuclear Flask Wagon.
To me, nothing is more frustrating than a loco or wagon, that derails on points, or rolling stock when being pushed. I have a storage yard which also acts as a shunting yard with Kadee auto uncouplers. I need to be sure that shunting can be done without derailments. I back some rolling stock into sidings which are inaccessible with my hands and if I get problems I have to use a grabber. I will always go for reliability.
I was with the Revolution wagon until the points problem. I'd go with the Accurascale one. Mind ,I wouldn't have either one because my era is 1968-1978!
From what I can see, both models are pretty much on par, like the dapol and accurascale manors. Personally, I'm gonna do the same as you, get one revolution wagon and one pack of accurascale ones, and run a 3 wagon train.
It could be the lack of weight behind the derailing here Sam. If so, that can easily be remedied. I would go for the Revolution model, personally speaking. Great, fair and balanced review. Best, Pete.
I think it's a case of 'you pays your money and you makes your choice ' on these Sam, I bought two AS twin packs and got a 10% discount, which brings the price match closer.... also I like the weight of the AS over lighter rolling stock, ( after all, you're not going to have too many in a train with two ( or more) locomotives on ), as for the loose hood, well, I'd rather leave them alone, as I have never seen an open one, and as I read the AS instructions on how to release the hood for fitting batteries two times , over a coffee, rather than simply ram sausage fingers in there, I have easily managed to remove the AS hood without damage. and as for the NEM sockets and couplers, squeezing the prongs on the coupler together with needle -nosed pliers works a treat, and is mandatory on some high-end European stock, it also means they stay in the NEM socket too, rather than pull out with a heavy train or stupid acceleration, and after all, how often does one swap coupler types? Final choice, if you want an odd number, Revolution, even number AS.
Thanks a lot for sharing! Yes that's true on the weight actually - doesn't matter too much if you're only running in small numbers. I also managed to get the Accurascale hood on/off without breaking once... but for filming purposes I had to do it a handful of times, and the hook did break. As for squeezing the prongs, this did not work for me - the NEM pockets themselves were malformed/badly moulded and the couplings were absolutely stuck fast... I had to pull them out in pieces. Whoever assembled it must have known about the issue, as they must have been a devil to insert! But sure, it's very close between the two... you could certainly make a case for either!! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam’s trains have you thought about doing a comparison video of different duplicate products from say the last 5-10 years and compare them a bit like you did with the two lions
for me this version wins hands down and if I had to pick one thing that impressed me the most it has to the way the padlocks are picked out as they are such a small detail. of course I have also got the n-gauge version on order
I note that at least there are 3 different ID No. on top of the containers. So these that difference between the models & a Rake of 3 would not look strange.
Seems to be plenty of room in this model to add extra weight inside the "nuclear flask" container which hopefully would correct the derailment issue over the points. The working light on the AS version is nice but would have preferred this to be powered from the track with some caps to bridge any power gaps...
I think duplication is essential and a very good thing. If the entire industry agreed that no one would make the same model as anyone else, everyone could charge literally whatever they wanted for even mildly special items and you would have to pay it. If it weren't for competition, Bachmann would be charging $500 for an 0-4-0.
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It looked like the Revolution had its coupler a little lower than the loco, I wonder if that was the issue when it was being pushed over the points? Lovely wagon though.
On a pure exploitation point of view, my preference goes to the Revolution due to its lighter weight and its more free rolling qualities, plus the better couplings. And you have the bonus of a lower price, more details and a single-unit sales conditionning. The only drawback I see is the hood, which could have been kept in place with judiciously placed magnets. On the wizz factor, Accurascale wins with the live blinking light at the end, but it's also an excellent model overall.
I think you need to redo the point tests with the 37s the other way around. The accurascale starting earlier would of been pushing the wagon against the other and bachmann 37 with no where to go but off the rails. Swap the locos around and try again.... So the accurascale is pulling or take the bachmann off and try again. . Great review.
I tried the wagon on it's own with no 37 and it still derailed. You make a good point though, reasonable to suspect the loco speed mismatch... but that's why I tested the wagon by itself! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
You did the right thing in correcting the annoying derailment. However, I'll bet you've run out of room for rolling stock by now. My advice, no more buying models of any kind. You've got more than you need to put a smile on your face. You haven't created a running session yet this year, and that's the sort of video I really miss on your channel. I'd love to see all three Manors hard at work, running session style, pretty please.
I’d say I prefer the design philosophy of the revolution model. I can always cram a tungsten block in the open canopy if I wanted and beat the accurascale on weight.
In my opinion definitely the Accurascale is the better of the two, I own both of them, but as your video dose mentioned about the Revolution derailing, this is especially annoying because my layout has dozens of points work, my railway is Heavily based on the Bridgwater area. Also with Accurascale FNA you get 2 in the pack and that makes it more easier to make up rakes of this. So overall definitely the Accurascale
Ahh very interesting to know - so yours does the same thing? I've seen some comments suggesting adding more weight, and I'm going to try that... have you tried that? Thanks for watching, Sam :)
IRONICALLY I ended up on a 3 flask train using a pair from ACCURASCALE and a single from REVOLUTION. THE real trains are not that long though I saw in a MODERN LOCOMOTIVES ILLUSTRATED MAGAZINE photograph a double headed 6 flask train. MOD nuclear flask wagons are different but I don't know if a model exists for one of those
Good honest & balanced review but you failed to mention that Accurascale's FNA-D wagons have rotating axle boxes and Revolution Trains FNA-D's do not which explains the difference in the free rolling or resistance.
Good video, both nice wagons, but the Revolution edges it on detail by having the Orange dangerous goods plaque which it wouldn't be allowed to run without
I have a order of a hornby train coming soon. So that looks cool my friend. Very nice. So ill make the new train vid soon so be sure to check it out. Keep being awesome my friend.
Good review and nice to see the comparison. I think it's a great model and love the padlocks but for me performance is a 3 star and the grade is B. You simply can't have a piece of rolling stock derailing. It's so basic. That being said a single wagon for such a specialist wagon is a great shout. I can see many getting both. I have a couple of sets of the Alcan tank wagons on order so hope they do resolve this but overall looking very promising.
The Accrascale opening flask is NOT designed to show any "detail" inside but is purely functional for installation of the battery. So your comment about the revolution trains model been better is nonsense.
Well what a great model. Revolution would get my vote. Reason, the nuclear flasks are moved when one is full, there are not too many workings where 2 are run. I think having a choice is good, but yes, as others point out, getting to be a bit like the late 90’s where the manufacturers ( vitrains, Hornby, Bachman Etc ) duplicated a few trains, albeit with different numbers. There is always going to be a little duplication, but to be honest, Accurascale and Revolution are not really going to worry. On a lot of layouts, nuclear flasks won’t make an appearance. But the choice is out there, you pays yer money and takes yer pick. 🤣🤪
Did you try pushing the Revolution wagon with the same loco as the Accurascale wagon? If not, it might be a coupling issue, not a wheel / rail interface issue.
I am wondering if the reason why your cover came off was because you need to clip the little hooks over the little pegs? Those look very delicate and thus might explain the warning notice.
Yeah that's right, the front end is held by the hooks... but the back end is still loose, so I decided not to re-engage the hooks for fear of them being broken! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Isn't the flashing lamp strictly irrelevant anyway on this wagon? More often than not, the wagon isn't at the rear of the train, especially when the flask train is top and tailed (as the box rear photo).
Seems like the Revolution FNDA is too light. A derailing nuclear flask wagon is never good, especially with an insecure “lid”! The AS for the price difference seems better value with it being of composite construction plastic/ die cast, proper bearings, working tail light. As for the brass paint padlocks I’d get a brush and tin of paint.
It's astonishing to see two models of the same item from different manufacturers where you can't even tell they have different origins (unless you pick them up and have a good close look). On the screen they even seem to have identical colours. Let's face it, they're both great value compared to Bachmann's £50 four wheeled brake van, which is frankly an attempt to extract the liquid biological waste products - and I'm happy that Accurascale can justify their extra cost through beefier construction. I do wonder if the big boys have set themselves on course for oblivion in the next few years, when what you would assume are economies of scale translate into higher prices. By the way, I'm not personally unhappy that the Accurascale version is a little less free running so long as they are smooth rolling; a little bit of resistance can stop a train of model wagons from hunting. I'd be happy with either version, but they're completely the wrong era for me.
Bachmann did bring out a nuclear flask wagon but the main difference between bachmanns one is it depicts it as the FNA which mainly caters for people who have their layouts set in the 70s up to 2010, accurascale and revolution have both done the FNA-d which while similar in appearance are mainly to be used by people who have their layouts depicting present day.
Hi sam I hope you are well Yes they seem to be a lot of duplicate models out there now it is getting silly Think of what could of been made instead Keep safe ARP
How can you give a 4 out of 5 for performance on a wagon that derailed every time you tested it on a point? I wonder if you had pre-ordained your preference?
I do love more choices but I think there is no point in making a very obscure wagon that another company has already produced! "you're asking about the nuclear wagons? why did we make them? oh, well we all know the nuclear flask wagon demand has gone sky high!"
Not sure how you can highly rate a wagon that won't go over points. Have you tried adding weight to see if that works? Make it the same weight as the Accurascale,
Yeah maybe I was generous there - I'm wondering whether it was the light weight, as the gauge/bogie movement is all absolutely fine... I'd expect weight would fix it, will test! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Thanks Sam, a very fair and well reasoned review. As you were wondering, the tiny etched parts on the bogies are the handbrake on/off indicators.
Wow, you are replying to Sam's video. What a great company 😀
Whilst duplicate models are not ideal, I really enjoy these comparison reviews as its clear to see the relative strengths of each manufacturer. Would be interesting to see you review mgt wagons from both accurascale and cavalex
Be very careful how you store the Revolution wagon, you wouldn't want to have the flask cover fall off and irradiate your collection. 😉
Could it survive being hit by a Bachmann Class 46?
hahahaha I feel this should be tested! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
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Ah, a revolution model! I’d heard of them, although they seemed obscure, so I’m glad to see them getting time in the spotlight, and for a first showing, it’s very impressive!
Nice review and fair and balanced as usual. You probably have an entirely new episode to do a show on "duplicate releases by different companies." It is a pro and con, and I see your point, but others, as well. Nuclear Flask transporters seem to have become a rage, especially in the UK, based on the hundreds of channels I have viewed the last couple years who show their new wagons. It is no surprise each of the companies are going to try quickly jump the bandwagon. In the Euro trains I model (with some UK stuff), the Big 3 companies in HO (Märklin/Trix, Piko, Roco), as well as many smaller companies, often release identical classes of loco and rolling stock in the same year or within a year of each other. Especially highly anticipated models. In 2018, both Märklin and Piko announced the release of the ICE4, the newest and most anticipated train of the German High-speed fleet. Piko rushed theirs to market in 2020 first, to great initial acclaim, but year-later reviews were less positive, though still good. It was also true 1:87 scale. Märklin delayed theirs for a production problem, so it did not see shelves until 2021. It was also in a reduced 1:93.5 scale but with a few more clever functions in the decoder. Sales for both were brisk and successful. So it is possible two companies can release similar or identical products and succeed. On the flip side, as you said, other desired models are not being released. Companies often play it quiet until they have reached a point, so by the time they announce a new product, it is too late to cancel it if someone else announces they are doing it first. I guess it would be great if companies shared what they were working on down the road to avoid crossovers, but they avoid that for competitive reasons. Still, a great debate that you would handle well in your style, as it is not just a UK but worldwide hobby-wide issue.
The patterned floors are chequer plate to stop you slipping in wet weather. The Red on and Green off is possibly
to notify to the crew the status of the brakes given the positions.
Yet another great video Sam.
Funny what you say about product duplication: in early days the NYC&HR S motor was made by... marklin, bing, lionel (all with multiple variations) American Flyer and Ives. The T motor American Flyer, Lionel, and Ives, Dorfan having a variant in a PRR design, boucher doing a tunnel motor which was a curious choice as they'd been withdrawn by 1910, and American Flyer did do a couple of variations of the New Haven.
Seeing as throughout the twenties there were no steamers made by the major manufacturers (apart from the cheapest lines in 0) it was pretty much an electric outline locomotive, or maybe nothing at all in gauge 2 (standard/wide)
Quite a few manufacturers did their own versions of the bipolar.
Lionel at one point had 5 variations of the S motor at one point, all in production at the same time.
Nice review :)
The Fixed tail lamp on the Accurascale while nice, does have some disadvantages. Quite often nuclear flasks are push pulled with a Loco on each end. Having a fixed tail lamp means running the model in loco hauled form only. As modding push pull with a fixed lamp, means not on the back of the train is against regulation. A removable lamp is actually better from an accuracy point of you.
Both are stunning, great jobs from both accurascale and revolution
Mukka...
These wagons, like all modern day vehicles, do not have vacuum brakes! They are air brake pipes in the accessories bag chum.
The white wheels on the bogies are handbrake wheels. And I was impressed with the red/green handbrake "on/off" indicator on the bogie sides as well.
The padlocks won me over as well; excellent detail all over and better than Accurascale.
Good review. Cheers from Oz.
Gaz
Hi, great honest in-depth review of a great wagon, although Accurascale messed up with their choice of batteries to use, the fact you have to get your own is not good in my opinion I prefer the Accurascale model, rotating axel boxes is a cool addition to the model, the cast chassis on the Accurascale is also better than the plastic chassis Revolution have offered, I do like the underside of the Revolutions model.
Both model blow the overpriced old model Bachmann have been selling for years which is inferior compared to the 2 new offering’s, thanks for sharing.
I'm not probably not going to get one of these Sam, but they're very interesting nonetheless.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
That's fair enough! They sure are! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Blimey. Who'd have thought AS would have been given a run for it's money!
The working light on the AS version is redundant if you decide to run the wagon(s) prototypically top & tailed.
We are spoilt for choice.
Great forensic test as always. Thanks Sam.
Oh well, always good to have choices Sam instead of one brand monopolising 😉 Close call here really. We would most probably go for the AS for several reasons. Firstly, we actually don't like too much free rolling all that greatly; makes shunting / coupling more problematic, and a higher chance of derailment is inherently a factor. Next, metal usually is a winner for us. The tail light is nice although not necessarily decisive. But lastly, R's buffers pointing a tad upwards have bothered us immediately, and once you notice something, it's difficult to unsee. However, close call. Cheerio.
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For me I prefer the accurascale. Feels so nice in the hand and the extra detail of revolution's wouldnt be overly seen when its on the track. Especially when looking at photos of the real thing you really cant notice all that silver on the underside. Rotating axle boxes on AC's is a lovely touch which I do notice when running. But what really steals it for me is that flashing tail lamp. It just adds so much when you are running it. I also feel ac has slightly better value for money due to the extra features and metal construction
I have to admit how much I like the picked out padlocks, but the rolling axle ends on the AS really sells me.
The weight issue is easy to rectify, add extra weights (depleted uranium would be good, denser then lead). The cover should fit over the load or over the retract possition for loading, hence the loose fit. I am not sure but the top and tailing is due to lack of head shunts and run round loops at facilities handling the waste rather then traction issues. It also gets round security issues of leaving wagons unattached to locomotives in secured facilities.
Revelotion, that’s the one with then blinking light and painted pipes on the bottom, detail nice.
Smooth 😎 I saw some NF being trained into Bescot (Walsall) a couple of weeks back for the first time in some years.
Ahh fantastic - quite interesting vehicles aren't they??
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I’m fine with duplicate models since most of these have more than one version, but they have to hold up to the standards. So seeing this small-scale manufacturer live up to that is pretty impressive.
Ooh that is a close one, i don't think I've seen a product be so close regarding what's best. I guess it just comes down to whether you want a flashy light or not 😂😂
Just thinking on the horse box- Wouldnt it have been more like the horse carrying dandy cars used on horse drawn lines, each one for a single horse, loading from the rear.There is a lovely new replica on display at the railway museum at Shildon
So happy to see this review and, given I recommended product and manufacture, glad it’s a good outcome!
FYI The “N” in Revolution is related to the fact that they started out with N gauge products and indeed there is an N gauge version of this model coming.
I was talking to the owners this weekend at the International N gauge show where I picked up my latest pre-order N gauge wagons from them (ironically, developed in conjunction with Accurascale!).
Great review that ties in very well with my experiences of the brand so far.
Best.
Could you mention the derailing on points to them. I plan to run trains automatically and derailing could , massive damage with other trains running into a derailed one. It derailed every time.
You would be very lucky to see these flask wagons in 1:1 scale as they nearly always run overnight! They take nuclear material from Dungeness to Sellafield for processing into weapons grade plutonium for use on Trident submarine missiles. So nasty! Thanks for uploading.
Hi Sam. Try putting a bit more weight under the cover and see if it still derails on the points; it may very well be too light. As for derailing on points, the top two reasons are: 1) wheel gauge (which Sam checked), and 2) problems with the truck (bogie) pivoting where it meets the actual railcar (wagon.) HTH.
the fine detail on the paint job is the most impressive i recall seeing on your channel.
and i think this is the most impressive piece of rolling stock since the dynomometer car.
and if revolution is correct about the light, then the real cars would hardly ever have such a light fitted.
In my experience, RT produce some awesome wagons including some lovely 4 wheel caustic soda tanks and Cargowaggon twins. They bring a high level of detail at a reasonable price and the FNA-D is now very tempting having seen this review. Many thanks.
Thanks Sam,love your reviews.Could adding some of your small weights help that derailing issue?
Fantastic vid Sam nice to see revolution getting exposure! I'd choose this one
Yet another great review, I think I would buy 2 and save the £10 and go for the Revolution then add a bit more weight inside the easy to remove Flask 😅
The issue I believe was probably because the two bogies on a wagon are actually quite different, one can tilt freely from side to side while one rests on sliders that restrict its tilting to basically zero. This is done to allow the car to follow badly laid and canted tracks without being wobbly on straight level tracks. (called 3 point suspension or something like that). So on bad tracks the wagon will be more likely to derail going one direction than the other.
Nice to see you got the consist right! Class 68s also good for these. Don't worry about being gentle - I've seen these set off from Crewe with a LOT of clag.
I have 4 Accurascale versions and happy with these. While the detail maybe better on the Revolution Train based on Sam review I would take model not derailing over marginally more detail any day.
Decent review here Sam, looks like a really nice wagon, I Currently I don’t have any revolution trains products but I do have on order at the moment one of their OO class 180 units in the Grand Central Livery.
Thanks a lot David! This was my first and it was very imrpessive!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Do the Revolution ones have rotating axle boxes? Also the Accurascale wagons are 10% off if you buy more than one wagon box on their website which basically matches the Revolution price if you are buying multiple wagons. Worth considering when choosing! Great review, thanks Sam
No they don't, when Sam was talking about how free rolling they are and shows closeups of the wheels you can see they are fixed
I would go for the RT one, I have their Caroline and it’s stunning, had a numerous AS stock and locomotives and in my opinion not a single one has been without major issues, they are not as good as the industry and forums would have you believe
You fail to mention that RT's Caroline is overscale with the incorrect ride height and the PCB/lighting control is a dog's breakfast which is exasperated when you finally find and fit a suitable decoder...but yeah it looks good.
Guess it comes down to personal preference when it comes down to picking a Nuclear Flask Wagon. Always nice to have an option to pick between an individual Nuclear Flask Wagon and a "two-pack" of said Nuclear Flask Wagon.
To me, nothing is more frustrating than a loco or wagon, that derails on points, or rolling stock when being pushed. I have a storage yard which also acts as a shunting yard with Kadee auto uncouplers. I need to be sure that shunting can be done without derailments. I back some rolling stock into sidings which are inaccessible with my hands and if I get problems I have to use a grabber. I will always go for reliability.
I was with the Revolution wagon until the points problem. I'd go with the Accurascale one. Mind ,I wouldn't have either one because my era is 1968-1978!
From what I can see, both models are pretty much on par, like the dapol and accurascale manors. Personally, I'm gonna do the same as you, get one revolution wagon and one pack of accurascale ones, and run a 3 wagon train.
It could be the lack of weight behind the derailing here Sam. If so, that can easily be remedied. I would go for the Revolution model, personally speaking. Great, fair and balanced review. Best, Pete.
Weight was one of my thoughts too in regards to the derailing. It could also be a stiff bogie of interference from the detailing around the bogie.
I think it's a case of 'you pays your money and you makes your choice ' on these Sam, I bought two AS twin packs and got a 10% discount, which brings the price match closer.... also I like the weight of the AS over lighter rolling stock, ( after all, you're not going to have too many in a train with two ( or more) locomotives on ), as for the loose hood, well, I'd rather leave them alone, as I have never seen an open one, and as I read the AS instructions on how to release the hood for fitting batteries two times , over a coffee, rather than simply ram sausage fingers in there, I have easily managed to remove the AS hood without damage. and as for the NEM sockets and couplers, squeezing the prongs on the coupler together with needle -nosed pliers works a treat, and is mandatory on some high-end European stock, it also means they stay in the NEM socket too, rather than pull out with a heavy train or stupid acceleration, and after all, how often does one swap coupler types? Final choice, if you want an odd number, Revolution, even number AS.
Thanks a lot for sharing! Yes that's true on the weight actually - doesn't matter too much if you're only running in small numbers. I also managed to get the Accurascale hood on/off without breaking once... but for filming purposes I had to do it a handful of times, and the hook did break. As for squeezing the prongs, this did not work for me - the NEM pockets themselves were malformed/badly moulded and the couplings were absolutely stuck fast... I had to pull them out in pieces. Whoever assembled it must have known about the issue, as they must have been a devil to insert! But sure, it's very close between the two... you could certainly make a case for either!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam’s trains have you thought about doing a comparison video of different duplicate products from say the last 5-10 years and compare them a bit like you did with the two lions
oh very nice,
another challanger appears. good i hope for state of industry. Keeping the prices reasonible whilst managing good quality
for me this version wins hands down and if I had to pick one thing that impressed me the most it has to the way the padlocks are picked out as they are such a small detail.
of course I have also got the n-gauge version on order
Good review Sam.
I already have the Accurascale Wagons & was curious as to what the Revolution Trains version would be like be like.
Cheers John b🤓
I note that at least there are 3 different ID No. on top of the containers. So these that difference between the models & a Rake of 3 would not look strange.
Seems to be plenty of room in this model to add extra weight inside the "nuclear flask" container which hopefully would correct the derailment issue over the points. The working light on the AS version is nice but would have preferred this to be powered from the track with some caps to bridge any power gaps...
I think duplication is essential and a very good thing. If the entire industry agreed that no one would make the same model as anyone else, everyone could charge literally whatever they wanted for even mildly special items and you would have to pay it. If it weren't for competition, Bachmann would be charging $500 for an 0-4-0.
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It looked like the Revolution had its coupler a little lower than the loco, I wonder if that was the issue when it was being pushed over the points? Lovely wagon though.
On a pure exploitation point of view, my preference goes to the Revolution due to its lighter weight and its more free rolling qualities, plus the better couplings. And you have the bonus of a lower price, more details and a single-unit sales conditionning. The only drawback I see is the hood, which could have been kept in place with judiciously placed magnets. On the wizz factor, Accurascale wins with the live blinking light at the end, but it's also an excellent model overall.
I think you need to redo the point tests with the 37s the other way around. The accurascale starting earlier would of been pushing the wagon against the other and bachmann 37 with no where to go but off the rails. Swap the locos around and try again.... So the accurascale is pulling or take the bachmann off and try again. . Great review.
I tried the wagon on it's own with no 37 and it still derailed. You make a good point though, reasonable to suspect the loco speed mismatch... but that's why I tested the wagon by itself!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains apologies I must of missed that bit. Keep up the good vids, you'll have to 3d print your own now too and compare 😂
You did the right thing in correcting the annoying derailment. However, I'll bet you've run out of room for rolling stock by now. My advice, no more buying models of any kind. You've got more than you need to put a smile on your face. You haven't created a running session yet this year, and that's the sort of video I really miss on your channel. I'd love to see all three Manors hard at work, running session style, pretty please.
Why would Sam not buy any more models? All he'd need is more storage and boom, keep going. Never stop Sam!
haha I won't stop - though I am running out of space, this is true!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I’d say I prefer the design philosophy of the revolution model. I can always cram a tungsten block in the open canopy if I wanted and beat the accurascale on weight.
In my opinion definitely the Accurascale is the better of the two, I own both of them, but as your video dose mentioned about the Revolution derailing, this is especially annoying because my layout has dozens of points work, my railway is Heavily based on the Bridgwater area. Also with Accurascale FNA you get 2 in the pack and that makes it more easier to make up rakes of this. So overall definitely the Accurascale
Ahh very interesting to know - so yours does the same thing? I've seen some comments suggesting adding more weight, and I'm going to try that... have you tried that?
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Yeah I have tried it on both my Hornby and dapol points and it jumps off
nice video Sam, great comparisons on both
IRONICALLY I ended up on a 3 flask train using a pair from ACCURASCALE and a single from REVOLUTION.
THE real trains are not that long though I saw in a MODERN LOCOMOTIVES ILLUSTRATED MAGAZINE photograph a double headed 6 flask train.
MOD nuclear flask wagons are different but I don't know if a model exists for one of those
Very nice wagon! Great job Revolution Trains and Sam! 👏🏼
Good honest & balanced review but you failed to mention that Accurascale's FNA-D wagons have rotating axle boxes and Revolution Trains FNA-D's do not which explains the difference in the free rolling or resistance.
Good video, both nice wagons, but the Revolution edges it on detail by having the Orange dangerous goods plaque which it wouldn't be allowed to run without
I have a order of a hornby train coming soon. So that looks cool my friend. Very nice. So ill make the new train vid soon so be sure to check it out. Keep being awesome my friend.
That sounds awesome - really hope you enjoy it! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Good review and nice to see the comparison. I think it's a great model and love the padlocks but for me performance is a 3 star and the grade is B. You simply can't have a piece of rolling stock derailing. It's so basic. That being said a single wagon for such a specialist wagon is a great shout. I can see many getting both.
I have a couple of sets of the Alcan tank wagons on order so hope they do resolve this but overall looking very promising.
The Accrascale opening flask is NOT designed to show any "detail" inside but is purely functional for installation of the battery. So your comment about the revolution trains model been better is nonsense.
Well what a great model. Revolution would get my vote. Reason, the nuclear flasks are moved when one is full, there are not too many workings where 2 are run. I think having a choice is good, but yes, as others point out, getting to be a bit like the late 90’s where the manufacturers ( vitrains, Hornby, Bachman Etc ) duplicated a few trains, albeit with different numbers. There is always going to be a little duplication, but to be honest, Accurascale and Revolution are not really going to worry. On a lot of layouts, nuclear flasks won’t make an appearance. But the choice is out there, you pays yer money and takes yer pick. 🤣🤪
Coupling directly to a locomotive isn’t advisable. In the Former colonies there are “buffer” cars that separate the hot cars from the operating crew.
Did you try pushing the Revolution wagon with the same loco as the Accurascale wagon? If not, it might be a coupling issue, not a wheel / rail interface issue.
You are doing lots of modern image stuff now Sam nice work. :)
Yeah that's true actually - it's pretty fun too! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I am wondering if the reason why your cover came off was because you need to clip the little hooks over the little pegs? Those look very delicate and thus might explain the warning notice.
Yeah that's right, the front end is held by the hooks... but the back end is still loose, so I decided not to re-engage the hooks for fear of them being broken!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I want to get one and test it with a peak lol. But seriously nice video sam! Im considering getting one of these.
Re the photo on the back of the box, did you notice the narrow gauge, or perhaps miniature railway on the left side? 🤔
I think the padlocks win it for me. They look really good. Not keen on the buffers though.
Isn't the flashing lamp strictly irrelevant anyway on this wagon? More often than not, the wagon isn't at the rear of the train, especially when the flask train is top and tailed (as the box rear photo).
Seems like the Revolution FNDA is too light.
A derailing nuclear flask wagon is never good, especially with an insecure “lid”!
The AS for the price difference seems better value with it being of composite construction plastic/ die cast, proper bearings, working tail light.
As for the brass paint padlocks I’d get a brush and tin of paint.
Detail is part of the overall running of any rail set surely as prices are so high...
It's astonishing to see two models of the same item from different manufacturers where you can't even tell they have different origins (unless you pick them up and have a good close look). On the screen they even seem to have identical colours. Let's face it, they're both great value compared to Bachmann's £50 four wheeled brake van, which is frankly an attempt to extract the liquid biological waste products - and I'm happy that Accurascale can justify their extra cost through beefier construction. I do wonder if the big boys have set themselves on course for oblivion in the next few years, when what you would assume are economies of scale translate into higher prices. By the way, I'm not personally unhappy that the Accurascale version is a little less free running so long as they are smooth rolling; a little bit of resistance can stop a train of model wagons from hunting. I'd be happy with either version, but they're completely the wrong era for me.
Awesome video Sam's trains
Thanks a lot Brian! :D
@@SamsTrains you're welcome 😊 buddy 😊
Didn't Bachmann bring out a nuclear flask wagon over 5 years ago, too,to add to the mix?
Bachmann did bring out a nuclear flask wagon but the main difference between bachmanns one is it depicts it as the FNA which mainly caters for people who have their layouts set in the 70s up to 2010, accurascale and revolution have both done the FNA-d which while similar in appearance are mainly to be used by people who have their layouts depicting present day.
The Revolution kept turning round, 👍
How about adding depleted uranium for additionsl weight and realism?
Hi Sam. Six of one and half dozen of the other, but I would buy both to be honest Sam, I like them both. great video again thank you.
Same here Tony!
As they are usually top and tailed, the tail lamp is mostly moot anyway.
The painted padlocks would win it for me. Fortunately, the LNWR in 1915 had very few nuclear flasks, so I can pass on these.
Sam you should make a video where you do a big be running session specifically late br
Great idea Alex, that sounds fun! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains thx
Hi sam
I hope you are well
Yes they seem to be a lot of duplicate models out there now it is getting silly
Think of what could of been made instead
Keep safe ARP
Squidward also hast to deal with water resistance as well
More variety is nice.
And regardless off which one I eventually buy one thing is for sure, Thomas & Friends James is not pulling it!
How can you give a 4 out of 5 for performance on a wagon that derailed every time you tested it on a point? I wonder if you had pre-ordained your preference?
Hi Sam, You pay's your money , and take your pick, nice review All the best Brian 😃
Absolutely Brian, interesting to see the differences though!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The opening of the hood seems a bit unnecessary, otherwise it looks like a dang smashing model
Does a loco with poor low speed performance, perform better with a heavy train and vice versa?
A light plastic wagon costs £33, the top drops off, it can't go over points, but it gets 4 stars for performance, and 5 stars for value?
Don't think that I have heard of "Revolution Trains" Sam??? 🤔🚂🚂🚂
0:34 I was just thinking the same thing lol.
haha exactly!
Awesome video today Sam I would say I pefer detail
I do love more choices but I think there is no point in making a very obscure wagon that another company has already produced!
"you're asking about the nuclear wagons? why did we make them? oh, well we all know the nuclear flask wagon demand has gone sky high!"
Not sure how you can highly rate a wagon that won't go over points. Have you tried adding weight to see if that works? Make it the same weight as the Accurascale,
Yeah maybe I was generous there - I'm wondering whether it was the light weight, as the gauge/bogie movement is all absolutely fine... I'd expect weight would fix it, will test!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
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Next time you review a flat bed can you show him riding on it please ?
Sam what this you’re favourite steam engine in real life