Lost on 10 May 1944 | Story behind the picture of B-17F 42-29856 "Patches".
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- Опубликовано: 9 май 2024
- B-17F-75-BO Flying Fortress. Nicknamed "Patches“. Serial number 42-29856.
815th Bomb Squadron, 483rd Bomb Group.
Lost on 10 May 1944 on mission to Wiener Neustadt, Austria, with Lt. Raymond J. Scranton Crew.
2nd Lt. Raymond J. Scranton - Pilot (KIA)
2nd Lt. Donald R. Ewing - CoPilot (POW)
2nd Lt. William K. Moyer - Navigator (POW)
2nd Lt. Richard M. Schooler - Bombardier (POW)
T/Sgt. William G. Mays - Engineer/Gunner (POW)
T/Sgt. John P. Kempf - Radio Operator (POW)
S/Sgt. Joseph P. O'Donnell - Ball Turret Gunner (POW)
S/Sgt. Carmelo A. Torres - Waist Gunner (POW)
S/Sgt. Horace E. Stewart, Jr. - Waist Gunner (KIA)
S/Sgt. Orville L. Stark - Tail Gunner (POW)
Individual questionnaires about S/Sgt. Horace E. Stewart,Jr. and 2nd Lt. Raymond J. Scranton by S/Sgt. Carmelo A. Torres, spoken by Jason Kirkover.
Three eyewitness statements using AI Voices
Overlay of location of the picture: @05:53
Coordinates: 47°47'20.2"N 16°12'32.3"E
=== Non native English speaker ===
I am not a native English Speaker.
So, sorry my pronunciation isn’t accurate.
You can active the subtitle with the transcript.
=== Voice Over Actors & AI Voices ===
I am using voice over actors or AI voices for the eyewitness statements.
=== Sources ===
Pictures: US NARA
MACR 4846
KSU/ME 1162
Bing Maps
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I am interested to the history of the B-17 Flying Fortress since 2000 and doing research since 2017. It's still my hobby beside my full time job. I want to be accurate as possible with the information in my videos. However, if you find any mistakes or have additional information, please correct me and let me know :)
I served and have such great respect for the young men that served before me. It pains me to no end that the youth of today think they have it so hard. They have no idea what hard, and heartbreaking is.
I dont know grandpa. Those KIA and WIA over in the middle east know plenty well about that shit.
So true...l have a step son, whom tried to join the Australian Defence Services. On the condition here wouldn't have to be in any combat situation 😂😂😂😂😂😂. He can't understand why he was rejected 😂😂😂😂😂
@@jefclark I’m not a grandpa yet and I certainly wasn’t referring to any other vet.
There are some who have served and know. Others that need to know. However, there are many present day vets that desperately need help and human kindness. How many complain about the present generation when a better thing would be donating time, donating to the USO, perhaps playing some benefits as a musician to raise awareness and money. Greatest generation though, no doubt.
Today's young (white) men are facing enemies at home in the form of hostile governments, media, and society in general because of wokeness.
I found it fascinating how you researched the bomber in the photograph, and the disposition of the crew. Interesting video.
Thank you! I like to do research :)
@@B17FlyingFortress a good source of material for World War II in the area of Weiner- Neustadt is a gentleman by the name of Markus Reisner. He's written several books on it.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markus_Reisner
Interesting video. I work at an airplane museum and see a B17 and B29 almost every day. It is strange to be so close to something so distant in history now… I am always surrounded by the past. Subscribed
I wish, I can work in a museum with B-17, B-29 and other war birds too. But in my town (I am living in Germany) is only a museum with an Ju 52. If your museum is looking for an employee... :D
Thanks for sub :)
Your English is not that bad for someone from Germany. I know many here in America, their native language is English that can't speak the language so you can understand them. Your English isn't perfect but it is very understandable even with the accent. I also had friends growing up that were from Germany that were neighbors. Their father was a German Soldier in WWII. Survived the war and emigrated to America in the 1950's. I fell in love with aircraft, especially the B-17 when I watched the original movies of the Memphis Belle and Twelve O'clock High. Because of that I would up enlisting in the USAF. I also read the Book "A Higher Call" the story of two pilots, Charles "Charlie" Brown a B-17 Pilot and Franz Stigler a German Fighter Pilot. They first met in the sky during the war. Later, years after the war, both became very close friends.
Thank for the videos and information, I like to hear about the men's stories that fought on both sides and about the many aircraft that were lost and what became of the crews. The names on the aircraft gave it a life, sadly, many are forgotten today.
Y'all stay safe and thank you again.
Thank you for your kind of words. I now my English it perfect. I never said that. The most important thing for me is that my English is understandable and not completely wrong. And I am glad, it's ok for you and most of my viewers. Only the Germans said, my English is bad.
I fell in love with B-17 after watching "Memphis Belle" and "Twelve o'clock High" (German title: Der Kommandeur). :) I know the story about Charlie Brown and Franz Stigler. But didn't read the book yet.
Just ordered the book "I Flew for the Führer: The Memoirs of a Luftwaffe Fighter Pilot" by Heinz Knoke, a German fighter ass.
Again, thanks for your kind of words and feedback!
@@B17FlyingFortress "a German Fighter ass", was he a jerk Nazi or something? Or am I reading this wrong?
@@B17FlyingFortress Adam Makos is the author of "A Higher Call." I cherish a signed copy from Adam. Adam is an amazing and kind gentleman. We had quite a chat when we met in Oshkosh. He is one of my favorite authors. I highly recommend reading all of his books, especially "Devotion." Also, "Spearhead" is a fantastic read, and a RUclips video goes along with it.
Brilliant research
Thank you very much! I've spent a lot of time in research. But it was very exciting as well.
Excellent work, thank you.
I did my best in research for this B-17 and crew. I was surprised to find pictures of Lt. Raymond J. Scranton. Doesn't happen very often.
Im a Marine corps veteran and I have much respect for our warriors that flew into hell
I love these stories....fascinating...how brave was the crew's pilot?
Excellent job on the crew and informative as well.
Thank you for watching :)
Great video! It's always fascinating to see the old photo set into the current view from above. I wonder if the plane was called Patches because it was so old.
Thank you! It's always fascinating to me as well to read their story. Other B-17s named "Patches" because there are many holes to patch, after returning from missions.
Lt. Raymond Scranton...... a TRUE Leader of MEN...... SACRIFICE.
My Condolences and Endless Thanks to the Scranton Family.
My belief is that the most dangerous assignment in a B-17 or B-24, was not the ball turret gunner. It was the pilot. If the plane gets damaged, generally someone is required to pilot the plane, to hold the plane steady, while everyone else bails off. If this is not done, the plane could start spinning and centrifugal force will pin everyone in place, until the plane crashes. Sometimes it requires the combined efforts of both the pilot and co-pilot to hold the plane steady enough with a damaged plane. And sometimes the combined efforts are still not enough. So it was not uncommon, when it was the pilot's (or pilots) turn to jump, he could not do so because the plane would start spinning as soon as he left the controls. All too often, the captain would go down with his ship. The downing of "Patches" is a classic example of this.
The pilot is the captain and has the most responsibility.
And yes, the position is dangerous in my opinion. Especially during head-on attacks, the Germans sometimes aimed at the cockpit.
But I think every position is dangerous. There is shooting from everywhere and if flak is shooting at you, there is not much you can do.
Thank you for this.
"Peace to the Fallen"
GREAT JOB with all the details! I agree with other commenters that your research is nothing short of superb. Please do more of these when and if possible! Wonderful tribute to our boys who endured so much that we may live in such a great country. God Bless. And thank you !
Thank you for kind of words and feedback. Next video is work in progress. But not so much information can be found on every B-17.
Sometimes there are only a few lines in a report. Sometimes nothing at all.
Excellent video, extremely well done. Vielen dank.
Many thanks for the kind words :)
Very very interesting! Those guys in the sky's were so brave 😞
Thank You.
Thank you for watching! :)
Very detailed information on this ship and crew
I believe, this is one of my best researched video I made so far.
And thanks for watching! :)
Excellent detail in this episode.
Thank you! :)
Very good video . Many thanks .
Thank you for leave a nice comment and for watching my video!
Great work as always.
Thank you! :)
Another Fantastic, informative video, Thank You!
Thank you for watching my videos :)
Excellent detail! Thank you for sharing
Thank you for watching :)
Good stuff !
Thanks! :)
This cat here is named Patches. Now, she has a third namesake. Awesome video. Thanks!
Positive waves ❤
There are many more B-17s named "... Patches". :)
There are so many stories like this. From every quarter and from every participating nation. What a beautiful, wasteful, and tragic endeavor is war.
New subscriber...great content!
thanks you! :)
Sehr gut!!!!
Would like to know how to locate pics and/or documents on my former father -in-law’s B-17 crew shot down over France. We have a few documents and pics. He was the navigator and spent 406 days in Stalag Luft III after they were captured. Their crew survived the war and a book was written about their stories a few years ago, called “Coffin Corner”. His name was 2LT Edward T. Badder. We have a few pics of his crew and their plane but would love to know if there are other pics and documents of the crew such as the written statements you show in this video. What is a good source for researching documents on these downed planes?
Hello @karoleenascottage , thank you for your comment. I have a copy of the MACR 3225 and German report. I want to share with you. Please send me an email: info@b17flyingfortress.de
@@B17FlyingFortress will do. Thank you so very much!
TY🙏
Can you do a story like you did here on Skywolf of the 358th SQ 303rd BG? I would love to learn more about that ship as I knew some of the crew members. She was lost on Jan.11.1944 on a raid to Oscherselben Germany
I added this B-17 to my todo list. Please be patient. :)
@@B17FlyingFortress Awesome thanks. I know it's a long shot but I would love to know where the crash site is and maybe get lucky enough to obtain a piece of it. My high school teacher was a tail gunner in the 303rdBG 358th Sq he was with the Dashells crew. George Morrison and Don Delaura were the only survivors of that crew. Their crew photograph was in front of Skywolf and Don was actually with the Emerson crew the day Skywolf was shot down. Don became a P.O.W. George wasn't on that mission having been wounded on a prior mission. The Dashells crew were all killed on a B-17G on the same mission. I believe it exploded after being hit in the bomb bay.. If you look up the "Molesworth pilot" for july 2011 on the 303rds website George's story is in there.
Thanks for these infos. :) Quite a lot of stories on 303rd BG web site. :)
@@B17FlyingFortress The 303rds site is the best I've seen contains so much information, mission plans, debriefs etc. On the sites search box search George Morrison and the Molesworth pilot article will come up. Jay Stout also used it in his book Hells Angels history of the 303rd. Brian O'Dell also mentions it in his book 3 engines half a wing and a prayer. Brian did all his research before the site was up or just getting started the man deserves much credit for the hard work he had to put in. There's also another kinda legendary tale from the 303rd about some replacement crews buzzing the world series scaring the crowd and pissing off the mayor of Chicago just prior to heading overseas.
@@warrenchambers4819 I know some of their story. Especially the book "3 engines half a wing and a prayer". I have bought a copy many year ago. One of the most interesting and exciting book I have read.
I know the picture of a B-17 buzzing the world series :)
For research B-17. I really like the 384th BG web site. There are tons of information and scanned documents. Everything is linked to each other. Take a look: 384thbombgroup.com/
Really great video. Thank you for honoring these gentlemen.
Thank you for watching :)
when will you make the shutterbug video?
Sorry, I don't know. Because still confusing about the information. 42-30981 is an F model (b17flyingfortress.de/en/b17/42-30981/) and not an E-model. And I want to be accurate with the information, when I am doing a video.
@@B17FlyingFortress alright here B-17F S/N 42-30981 nicknamed shutterbug a member of the 28th bomb group 36th bomb squadron delivered to the 11th Air Force on 8/28/1943 the nose art was on the starboard side it was used to bomb the Aleutian Islands occupied by the Japanese along with the B-24s it bombed Adak Attu Kiska and Amchitka from 1943 to 1944 as shown in the 1944 film ''Report from the Aleutians'' its unknown who the crew was but there's a photo of the nose art with the bombardier in the nose, it survived the war and was scrapped.
@@AlaskaRailroadGuy679 thanks again. I need time. I don't think I can create a video very soon about it. It's to less information to create a long video about the ship. I need to investige and research for more information, which I can tell in a video.
@@B17FlyingFortress there's the information
@@B17FlyingFortress then do a short
Wow the accent....
... is unmistakable :)
Waist hatch release cable rusted? Ground crew not doing their job.
Over worked in all departments a true shame
They don't necessarily have the parts to do the job. To say they weren't doing their job is going a little far, especially saying it 80 years after the fact.
@@phillydelphia8760 2:07 "The release cable for opening the door in an emergency was rusty and out of condition."
A door that the crew needed to open in an emergency - like the type of emergency when the aircraft has been hit by flak and is going down - would not open because the release cable was rusty and you dismiss it?
@@MarsFKA how did I dismiss it?
You're going overboard to say the ground crew was negligent was what I actually said. It's a bit rich for you to criticise them 80 years later, when you have no idea how that situation came to be.
The bomb bay was a viable escape route, unfortunately that gunner didn't take it and got tunnel vision with the door. War sucks.
Wartime conditions dictated priorities for the ground crews. Availability of parts, turnaround time for making necessary repairs to keep aircraft airworthy. Safety at that time was relative.
I don't expect anyone would have expected the door to jam and be cool with it.
@@phillydelphia8760 There is an expression that you clearly are not familiar with. It says, "When you know you are in a hole, stop digging".
Everything you have said about an escape route being denied to a crew because of indifferent maintenance shows that you don't have the faintest idea of what you are talking about, but, by all means, please keep yapping. I am sure the next submission from you will be just as breathtakingly stupid.
4:54- Lead ship, not lead ship (mispronounced led). I hear these mistakes much more frequently than I used to. Is it the result of a computer being unable to tell the difference? The people who use computers instead of humans need to quit it!
thank you for explaining that. So, if I understand it correctly, "lead" should be pronounce same as "head" (hed)?
I am willing to learn and increase my English :)
@@B17FlyingFortress no, not like head (or led). Lead as in bead, or lede (a newspaper term), or feed, or bleed, etc etc ad nauseum.
@@B17FlyingFortress Lead the metal is pronounced led as in head. Lead in the sense of leader is pronounced to rhyme with deed. In your example here you want lead as in deed. I enjoyed listening to your accent though and minor mispronunciations are nothing to lose sleep over.
@@Tom_RUclips_stole_my_handle sounds complicate for a guy, who is speaking English not very often 😅 I tried some web sites to listen to examples how to pronounce "lead". But every web site pronounced it different and confused my totally. Need an example from a real human 😁
@@Tom_RUclips_stole_my_handle , @davidhull1481 "Memphis Belle" (1944) by William Wyler has in the script "lead bombardier Vincent Evans". Did the voice actor pronounced "lead" correctly?
Zanks for ze video.
(Improve that, or just speak German.)
Zanks four woatsching :)