I was quietly hoping your first Razer review would be the Razer Blade 14, hope that might be coming soon!? As always thank you for the most comprehensive and sensible reviews!
@@sohailbarvar7817 Yeah I agree, I have th 2020 version of the G14 and currently deciding on an upgrade...my other consideration is getting the ROG Scar 15 3070Ti and keeping my current G14 for on-the-go work.
@@jeffreyjohnston1580 since you already own a laptop to use on the go then yeah having another one as a desktop replacement might be a good idea but I'd highly recommend a pc instead.
@@sohailbarvar7817 I agree, I just like the potential portability of gaming for the longer trips away from home which are quite regular. (My first world problem for sure 🤣)
Finally, the in-depth review I've actually been waiting for. Another important point: All Non-US versions of the Razer Blades (non-base models) don't have the secondary function key symbols which light up. This is not advertised on their websites (where they always have the US keyboard layout promo pictures on display). So as I'm living in the UK, I ordered mine from the US instead. Also I can confirm: only the 240Hz QHD panel has Advanced Optimus.
@@Hubtastic Good to know, perhaps it is all EU models and some other countries.. I've seen countless threads of people in the UK, Germany, France etc complaining about that flaw.
I have this exact model. Latest updates allow max battery charge level to be customised in Synapse, further extending battery lifetime. Battery bloat issue seems fixed. Love my Blade 17 3080ti and loved this review! ❤
Meanwhile ASUS Zephyrus Duo 16, MSI Creator 17, and Gigabyte Aero 16 all come with a 1000 Nit MiniLED / 600 Nit OLED screen option. Not that I am shopping, but lacking HDR display at this price would be a deal breaker for me.
Thanks Jarrod. I tested these on a new youtube channel I started consumertechwarehouse. I’m getting virtually identical scores on red dead on even the GE76 3080 Ti. Was looking forward to your review because I was going crazy testing and retesting. I was expecting a bigger gap on the gaming side. The only big swings I saw was at 1080p and that’s mainly due to the difference between the i9 in the GE76 and the i7 in the blade 17 QHD
Very informative review as always. Razer is starting to really fall behind in a few areas. Like that screen maybe great resolution and refresh wise, but so many companies are nearing 400 nits that for a $4000 laptop that’s just embarrassing. Still makes me laugh when I see the Legion 5/7 still kicking butt on the latest and greatest. 😂
@@Nenji4k That's weird cuz I have an ASUS ROG Strix Scar II and I've left it charged for hours and hours...even gamed on it while having it plugged in and it never bloated lol. I've had this laptop for over 2 years already. You're telling me that Blade 17 will even be hot while charging?
@@tubby_1278 not every battery will bloat but they will definitely degrade (lose capacity) faster when kept at 100% charge vs 50%, heat makes it degrade faster (and increases the chance of bloat). Laptops with good cooling obviously helps.
I have this laptop and I am enjoying it so far. One thing I learned - is that the restoration media Razer will provide does not include the Intel RST driver. If you want to run raid1 or raid0 with a pair of NVME you either have to do a clean install of Windows and provide the RST driver, or insert the driver into the Razer restore media. If you put it into the media you have to insert it into both the WindowsRE environment as well as the Windows Image the media restores.
Great review, thanks! Neat machine. I'm going to check out 15" reviews as well, see how they compare with last year's Razer blade 14 for battery and cooling since I currently have the blade 14 and am debating replacing it with a machine that can have more than 16gb ram
Having owned a Razer 15 and 17, neither will disappoint - the 15 is a great general laptop for all needs (obviously gaming) and a lot easier if you are on the move a lot. In contrast, the 17 has more of the ‘wow’ factor and is undoubtedly better for gaming, specifically. I guess it depends what your priority is. For me, the 15 all the way!
I think with software you can make it so that, when the laptop detects that it's connected to power, use the higher refresh rate, and when it's unplugged, use it at, for example, 60 hz. with custom batch files and something like auto hot key to press fn+r when the charger is not detected
BUYER BEWARE - I have the 2019 17" pro version of this laptop. Looking at the one being reviewed i see that it has the same fatal flaw as mine. The 3 pin charge adaptor on the left side of the laptop is Razer proprietary and i have not been able to find one on ebay or ali express. On my laptop the pins inside the charge adapter snapped due to wear. I heard a clicking sound each time and the pins snapped. Contacting Razer support they refused to send me the part or give a repair price. Apparently I would have to send away the laptop potentially for several months in order for them to name me a price. So what i am saying is they have customers over a barrel ,the connector is proprietary and not available anywhere. This is an expensive laptop and there was no way I would send it off and be left hanging like that. Anyway I fixed mine with a couple of brass rods from model scenery supplies and a lot of careful soldering. If you can't do this then don't buy one of these as it is a timebomb and with their refusal to even consider simply sending me a replacement part then they are ripping you off. Apple may be bad but at least Ebay is chock full of parts for them salvaged from already failed machines with these you have to actually repair the components yourself.
hey Jarod, thanks for all your videos ! Can i ask if you recommend the MSI VECTOR GP76 ? i dont see any review on the internet :( i7 12700H / 16go ddr4 3200 / 3070ti i dont know if the cooling system is on point or not... thank you Jarod :)
RB17 FHD 360hz screens seems to only offer only Optimus (restart when switching) whilst the QHD 240hz screen offers both Optimus and Advanced Optimus - which requires no restart when switching.
Can you review laptops that offer better value for their prices first? Like Zephyrus M16/G15 or Tuf F15 ? I don't think most people find Razer prices reasonable. And BTW any thoughts on when the new Legion 7/ Slim 7 are coming out ?
Unfortunately I cannot. I'd love to, but ultimately I can only cover what companies send me. I always request lower specced 3060 versions only to get told they don't have any available. It is what it is, I guess they want to make themselves look good in benchmark graphs or something. I know when the new Legion 7 is coming, I just can't talk about it yet :)
Why do they keep removing numpads? I somewhat understand on 15" and smaller machines with space constraints, but on this 17" seeing all that empty space and no numpad seems like a giant middle finger.
So purchase a 20 dollar numb pad. I for one can't stand a goofy ass looking full sized numb pad on a machine that cost 2500. I would rather add it on so it can be something I can take off when I don't need it.
@@billbrooke4355 I'll be buying a 12th gen dell xps 17 in the next month I had a 15.6 and fell on hard times. I ABSOLUTELY loved my Xps and currently am using the newest Evo 13 inch xps. But yes i totally agree with you I had a larger laptop years ago and while typing fast would accidentally smash the numbers and also having to keep your right hand at an angle while typing sucks ass
@@billbrooke4355 Thanks man I appreciate it. I no longer need a laptop for typing anymore I use my Fold 3 for all my typing needs now if I need something written up now lol. I totally agree Asus KNOCKS it out of the park with their designs. I looked into the Flow and the price scared me away lol. I thought hell I could have a 17 inch xps for that. I would rather have that giant 4k screen alllllll day long.
My unit with the 1440p 240hz had really bad contrast when looking at some websites, specially on things with a white background with dark gray letters (not a good UI design, but a lot of sites use it), making it hard to read the text, I returned it just for that reason. Since this is a gaming laptop, I would also mention the keyboard is pretty decent if you play any rhythm games with your laptop. Normally, I would have to use an external mechanical keyboard for rhythm games, but this was good enough to not need one if I'm traveling.
First of all, thank you for the great reviews. No sugar coating or getting emotional. :) I have the i9 version for a couple of weeks now and I wanted to add my remarks. - I got it over others due to the more professional look, as I am a developer and I used to have a thick and large MSI Titan previously which often received giggles and funny reactions from the people at the office, so this time I decided to get something more "normal looking". - Unfortunately, the performance is not different from the i7 version, except the single core. CPU temperature easily reaches 100°C under load. I am still in discussion with Razer support if that is normal. Benchmark scores are all over the place. I have seen both ~8700 and ~13800 in Time Spy CPU results. Since one week, I am asking for an explanation from Razer about this (and the 100°C) but no luck so far. They also told me that, if I repaste, my warranty will be void. So waiting. - I installed Fedora Linux 36 (Beta) with kernel 5.17 and in Optimus mode everything I tested works. In dGPU only mode, the screen brightness cannot be adjusted. There is a kernel driver to control the performance options like the Synapse on Windows and after small updates to the code for this model, I was able to boost the CPU and the GPU and control the fans. - The BIOS is a complete disappointment. I like the screen and working on it but the unstable performance is irritating at this price.
Word of warning: I would NOT recommend getting Razer’s Blade laptops. I have used a top spec late 2019 rtx2080 model, and boy oh boy.. all the problems that goes with it. As with what Jarrod said, the paint on the case chips off so easily. I literally never take my laptop anywhere, it never moves from my desk, and yet the ENTIRE sides of the enclosure has its paint chipped off within 3 months. On top of that, within the same period, 7 of the keys RGB’s malfunctioned and wont light up in certain colors (this obviously lowers performance by 69.420%). Then there’s the battery bloating issue. The nail on the coffin? Razer’s notoriously terrible support. I honestly think the only reason people go for Razer Blades are its sleek look - and once again, in barely a few months, it will look ugly. I’ve never regretted a high-priced purchase as much as this one.
Battery replacements are available just not from Razer. I did mine and the new battery works okay. I believe it is sourced from same source as the originals.
Hey Jarrod! I just recently purchased a msi ge76 raider with 4k resolution, 3080ti, i9 12th gen, 2tb storage with 64gb ram and I was wondering if you would be interested in making a video with it by any chance since we are both in Australia 🙂
I have to choose between Razor Pro 17 (mid 2021 with 11800H, 3060-130watt, 165Hz QHD 17 but apparently without GSync, and adv. optimus.) AND Legion 5 Gen 6 Stingray color (11800H, 3070-130watt, with 165 Hz QHD 15.6 inch GSync, but no adv. optimus) with Razer slightly higher price (1.2x he price of Legion). What should I choose between the two as I like 17 inch more and mobility is not much needed??? If the legion was a 17 incher QHD Gsync then I'd have gone with that with not much confusion.
@Jarrod'sTech Thanks for a comprehensive and detailed review - as always. I was waiting for this one. I want to make my boss to buy new laptop, and so far this seems the best option in it's category: 17" 16:9 fast 1440p display / Thunderbolt 4 / HDMI 2.1 Money no object - is it the best? Or should I wait for XMG PRO 17? Any other models (from creators side for example) come to mind? Lastly - should I hope that there will be AMD 6000 laptops with similar specs and Thunderbolt 4? Many thanks, keep up the good work :) !
Hey, I think I helped you out in Discord? Otherwise it was something with a very similar question haha. Not sure if I'll be covering the new Pro 17, it seems quite niche. Depends how much you care about portability, as something like GE76 is better performance-wise but also thicker and heavier. There are new 17" with more CPU power coming in May.
Hell Jarrod! Thanks so much for the review, it is very informative and helpful! I just purchased this laptop because it was hugely reduced, and I am a bit disappointed with the speakers, especially with the bass... I mean I can start hearing the bass on my iphone from 30Hz while on this laptop with '4subwoofers' it only starts from around 70Hz... Would it be possible to include in your reviews the speakers' frequency response, or at last to give an idea what are the covered frequencies that you can hear? I think it would help very much and would characterize very well the speakers in any laptop.
I hope all laptops companies make the logo in the back of the screen get illuminated when the user opens the laptop (NOT ONLY APPLE AND ALIENSWARE) and i hope they give the ability to change the light color from the BIOS..
Hey JT, great review! I have an urgent question, please answer if possible. So I have the RBP 17 4K 2020 version, earlier today I realised that the left hand palm side is swollen and the battery seems to have inflated. Do you know if this laptop works without battery? Plugging into a plug at all times.
Only the QHD 240 Hz panel supports G-Sync. This is shown on the website, but you need to click on the individual laptop you're interested in to see it.
Hi, could u please help me out , regardless of price , what is the most powerful gaming laptop ? MSI ge76 vs Razer blade 17 vs Alienware x17 r2 vs Asus Rog duo 16 , I can not replace my laptop for many years so I need the best one. I will be appreciated if you help me 🙏🙏
Jarrod are you going to review the Asus g15 anytime soon, or the 12 games tested, i really would love that, seeing as theres literally no videos out about it yet.
Hello again. Same person who asked for a 3d modeling benchmarks list in your videos. Some of the common apps r Auto CAD, solid works, Auto desk 3d max and MATLAB. The reason I'm asking it is that I think there r a lot of engineering students like me who cannot afford workstation laptops so then they'll lean towards gaming laptops. Either way much obliged to u for the effort and reading the comments. Definitely appreciated. Btw y don't I receive your short form videos as I do receive your regular longer videos while I'm subscribed ? They just sometimes appear on home page or between subscriptions' uploads. Am I missing sth ? Tnx again
Thanks for the info David, I'll check it out. Do you know of any benchmarks that these applications use? In relation to the videos, maybe you're seeing videos from my second channel, Jarrod's Laptops? ruclips.net/user/JarrodsLaptops
I mean, guys: it's a bargain! Who wouldn't want and overheating, with often inflating (and potentially exploding) batteries, beast for just AUD$ 11.972,40? C'mon! What you're waiting for??
Another amazing videl good sir. I was thinking of getting this set with a 3070ti and 1440p display or the alienware x17r2 with 4k display and 3070ti. Which would you choose and why? I wish the x17r2 came with a qhd display. I had the x15r2 with qhd but wanted a little bit larger display. I watched mash its review of the x17r2 and the 3070ti on high settings does pretty damn good at 4k and he couldnt even tell the difference when scaling to 1440. Price is about the same sp not worried about that.
@@gaithsaleh7880 it doesn't. Only offers two different 1080 p panels and a 4k 120 hz option. Maybe in the next line up they will include the qhd option.
@@kaiichinose9590 oh alright then get the alienware with the 4k 120hz because you can downscale it to qhd while gaming and even 1080p, having a 4k panel is pretty good considering u can downscale to qhd
Thanks, depends entirely on whether you need something now or not. Current GPUs are quite great already, we won't even get a 40 series laptop announcement until CES in 6 months. HX processors only give more multicore performance (video coming next week), so depends if that benefits your workload.
I had the 2019 version with the 2080. The new model with a 1440P display and 12th gen intel seems to solve both of the problems I had with mine. 1080P was not quite enough to tax the 2080 and the mobile i7 was the biggest limiting factor in gaming performance.
@@MaDFroG88 I have not used the MSI but I've heard good things about it. The blade pro 17 was a very good gaming laptop but for the money, I'd only buy another one if it was completely impractical to own a desktop.
@@Piketom1 I read a lot of negative comments from customers a out it getting warm fast and bad performance in general, only great design. Price is the same in my country 3000 💶 for qhd 3070ti models for both models.
@@MaDFroG88 I think some of those comments were overblown. It's going to run hot because it's still a laptop. There are other gaming laptops that are less portable and have better thermals but that's always a trade-off with X86 laptops. I found the performance of mine to be great and based on reviews as well as personal experience, the 9th gen i7 performed about on par with other ultra-premium notebooks in the same price range. Razer definitely made a choice to prioritize a thin, attractive design at the expense of the best possible performance but thee was plenty of headroom for the 2080 in the model I had. I'd love to try the new 12th gen model with the QHD display as that seems like it would really be a better configuration than what was available in 2020 when I bought mine.
@@Piketom1 yeah but those negative comments from customers scared me because I live in warmer area and if it gets hot that easily it will perform very bad 👎
not sure if this is dumb request but could you test audio jack ports for interferences? dunno if i should buy sound cards for mic and headphones or not
Can someone explain to me why gaming laptops nowadays have minimal ports? I got my 2016 model laptop in 2017 and it has 4 USB ports, one USB c thunderbolt, one HDMI, 2 mini display ports, one vga port, multi card reader, audio out/in and mic ports, Ethernet port and that weird port that lights up red I think it's optical or something. I may have also not mentioned one or two more ports. I paid 2400 for this laptop back in 2017. Modern laptops that cost 4k don't have half the ports mine does. What's up with that? Also why do modern laptops have very minimal ventilation vents on the bottom? The bottom of the laptop I mentioned has vents covering nearly the entire bottom side and even the left right and back has vents.
Hey man, I always watch your videos and cant find better reviewers out there. Still have a problem tho, I have two options and i cant decide what to buy, legion 5 pro with ryzen 7 5800, 32 gb ram, 1 tb, rtx 3070 8 gb OR I7 11800, 32 gb ram, 1 tb, rtx 3060 6gb. Gamer here. If i remember well, you said the AMD Ram has some problems. Any opinions? Anyone? Thank you!
hello jarrod. what's your take on intel's NUC laptops? in my country I can find NUC x15, 15.6 inch 165hz, 3070, 11800h, 32gb ram, 1tb ssd for 1400EURs which is about 1550 US$
Does it make sense to expect that those 4K panels will NOT have Advanced Optimus available, while those 1080p and 1440p will? I also have 4K with no Advanced Optimus.
Bro which one is great to buy msi g 65 with i7 10 gen ,6 gb graphic card ,1 tbssd, nividia 3060 Or Asus tuf f 17 with i5 11 gen,4 graphic card, rtx 3050 ti, 1 tb ssd Both are same coming in same price me
@@MaDFroG88 Thank you. Yeah I have been following the news. MSI will have the HX series in the GT77 Titan, and GE67 & GE77 Raider. The announcement is on June 6!
@@MaDFroG88 I would wait for the GE77's announcement first, then come back here and let's discuss. The Razer Blade 17 & MSI GE76 (now 77) are the top 2 17" laptops that I'm keeping an eye on.
I trade in a 16 inch MacBook Pro M1 Pro base for this laptop, but mine the CPU is always at 90 degrees with some spikes to 98, and the chassis gets extremely at hot, is that normal?? That’s when I play games like God of War.
Hey Jarrod, I am thinking about buying a laptop, probably GE76 and I thought it would be a good idea to place it on a stand and put some 120mm fans underneath it for extra circulation of air. Do you think this will be better than a cooling pad?
Cooling pads don't make much of a difference for most laptops unless they don't have enough room underneath. And I see no reason why someone would want larger fans underneath their laptop. It won't push more air into your laptop like a case the idea of cooling pad is just keeping the intake air cool.
You might see temps a couple degrees lower, but I highly doubt it'll give a noticeable performance boost. I think it will just generate more noise and suck more dust into your laptop's heatsink.
I ended up getting this one, enjoying it for now. While it definitely has its downsides, like the trackpad. But for all my music production and gaming it's been a very enjoyable experience albeit overpriced. It's quiet, cool, and fast.
@@Who-Uhm-Cares LOL GE76 is worse QC. I had to RMA mine twice, once for display issues and 2nd because the bezels came untaped and fell off, who the f*** uses 3M tape to hold up a bezel and then have the sticky come unstuck just from normal use? Razer is expensive yes, then would you say Apple is scamming you for their quality product too??
@@MaDFroG88 Blade. i owned the 2019 Blade 15 and now this one, no issues on the 2019 and no issues so far on the 2022. GE76 might be good in specs but it will get hotter than this blade and the qc is lacking, see my comments above regarding the screen qc. my 17 blade right now doesn't go over 80deg on CPU and 75 deg on GPU all on High and the keyboard remains cool
@@andrewmorris3479 Is that 150 watts under boost? And the 3070ti is the same as the 3080ti as far as wattage? I thought the 3080ti was 150 watts boost to 165?
Hey dude I have ordered hp omen-laptop-15-en1010nr model. It shows that is has both igpu and dgpu. But does it support mux switch? Can u pls verify and tell 🙂🙂
Get subscribed for my upcoming reviews on the Ryzen 6900HX Blade 14 and Blade 15!
i'm waiting Ryzen 6000 series with RTX to compare with intel gen 12th
When ?
Can you do the 14" blade 6900hx with 3070ti?
Can you do the Blade 15 review (2022) RTX 3060 and 3070ti??
Please new ideapad gaming 3
It's funny how you can buy a Razor Blade for under 5 bucks (it won't game tho).
Inr . Not usd
same audience 😏😭
If you connect it to hdmi to get boost in games
I've never lost a single round while gaming on a $5 Razor Blade
Seriously??
Bought a lappy last year based off your reviews, back looking for an upgrade next year and good to see your just as thorough as you always are!
I was quietly hoping your first Razer review would be the Razer Blade 14, hope that might be coming soon!? As always thank you for the most comprehensive and sensible reviews!
The problem is that for heavy-duty content creation, it isn't really suitable due to a max of 16 GB of RAM, wether at time of purchase or not...
Zephyrus G14 is much better and also cheaper.
@@sohailbarvar7817 Yeah I agree, I have th 2020 version of the G14 and currently deciding on an upgrade...my other consideration is getting the ROG Scar 15 3070Ti and keeping my current G14 for on-the-go work.
@@jeffreyjohnston1580 since you already own a laptop to use on the go then yeah having another one as a desktop replacement might be a good idea but I'd highly recommend a pc instead.
@@sohailbarvar7817 I agree, I just like the potential portability of gaming for the longer trips away from home which are quite regular. (My first world problem for sure 🤣)
Jarrod, I have been watching your channel since you had about 50k subs. Your videos have been helpful and aided me in my latest purchase.
What was your latest purchase?
Thanks for the support!
Finally, the in-depth review I've actually been waiting for. Another important point: All Non-US versions of the Razer Blades (non-base models) don't have the secondary function key symbols which light up. This is not advertised on their websites (where they always have the US keyboard layout promo pictures on display). So as I'm living in the UK, I ordered mine from the US instead. Also I can confirm: only the 240Hz QHD panel has Advanced Optimus.
My Australian Blade 17 (4K) has the secondary symbols lit up. Not sure if the other models are the same. So clearly some non-US models have them.
@@Hubtastic Good to know, perhaps it is all EU models and some other countries.. I've seen countless threads of people in the UK, Germany, France etc complaining about that flaw.
I have this exact model. Latest updates allow max battery charge level to be customised in Synapse, further extending battery lifetime. Battery bloat issue seems fixed. Love my Blade 17 3080ti and loved this review! ❤
Meanwhile ASUS Zephyrus Duo 16, MSI Creator 17, and Gigabyte Aero 16 all come with a 1000 Nit MiniLED / 600 Nit OLED screen option.
Not that I am shopping, but lacking HDR display at this price would be a deal breaker for me.
You don't need to press the keys each time, you can function hold the increase or decrease keyboard lighting for bigger changes.
Thanks Jarrod. I tested these on a new youtube channel I started consumertechwarehouse. I’m getting virtually identical scores on red dead on even the GE76 3080 Ti. Was looking forward to your review because I was going crazy testing and retesting. I was expecting a bigger gap on the gaming side. The only big swings I saw was at 1080p and that’s mainly due to the difference between the i9 in the GE76 and the i7 in the blade 17 QHD
Very informative review as always. Razer is starting to really fall behind in a few areas. Like that screen maybe great resolution and refresh wise, but so many companies are nearing 400 nits that for a $4000 laptop that’s just embarrassing.
Still makes me laugh when I see the Legion 5/7 still kicking butt on the latest and greatest. 😂
Thanks, for me it's just the price. I know it's a more premium design and all that, but $2700 for an RTX 3060? 🤔
rn at GameStop it’s $1,500 is it still worth it?
not everything is about pure performance. if that was the case, MacBooks wouldn't have any sales.
Finally! I have been waiting for your review of the new 2022 Blade 17 QHD.
Also, Razer really needs to have a battery conservation mode that limits charging. That might help with reducing the chance of battery bloat
Are you asking RAZER to add conservation mode to an 80whr battery on a 17inch laptop that already have the worst battery life among all 2022 laptops ?
@@sohailbarvar7817 lol! Yes even for this 17", if you keep it plugged in all day. 100% charge + heat = bloat.
@@Nenji4k That's weird cuz I have an ASUS ROG Strix Scar II and I've left it charged for hours and hours...even gamed on it while having it plugged in and it never bloated lol. I've had this laptop for over 2 years already. You're telling me that Blade 17 will even be hot while charging?
@@tubby_1278 not every battery will bloat but they will definitely degrade (lose capacity) faster when kept at 100% charge vs 50%, heat makes it degrade faster (and increases the chance of bloat). Laptops with good cooling obviously helps.
@@Nenji4k Some laptops have battery conservation in BIOS menu, in case they're not available in your Laptop specific app.
Just bought this one, and I freaking love it
I have this laptop and I am enjoying it so far.
One thing I learned - is that the restoration media Razer will provide does not include the Intel RST driver. If you want to run raid1 or raid0 with a pair of NVME you either have to do a clean install of Windows and provide the RST driver, or insert the driver into the Razer restore media. If you put it into the media you have to insert it into both the WindowsRE environment as well as the Windows Image the media restores.
I have the same one too, what does raid do?
Hi guys. Got one of these delivered today (12th Gen i9) Gsync is working through thunderbolt with optimus turned off.
Does the laptop display itself support G-sync? If you have i9, I am assuming you have the 4k 144hz model?
hey Jarrod just uploaded a side by side with RBP17 i914 core 3080ti vs 21 RBP17 i9 3080
You can get Legion 7 3080s from last year for around $1900, which makes these 3080 Ti laptops a bit of a hard sell currently.
where can i do that
300 nits? That's too dim! One of the things i hated about my 2018 blade 15.
Yep. 300 nits in 3k laptop.
Great review, thanks! Neat machine. I'm going to check out 15" reviews as well, see how they compare with last year's Razer blade 14 for battery and cooling since I currently have the blade 14 and am debating replacing it with a machine that can have more than 16gb ram
Cheers! I should be getting the 15" next week and hopefully the 14" not long after
Having owned a Razer 15 and 17, neither will disappoint - the 15 is a great general laptop for all needs (obviously gaming) and a lot easier if you are on the move a lot. In contrast, the 17 has more of the ‘wow’ factor and is undoubtedly better for gaming, specifically.
I guess it depends what your priority is.
For me, the 15 all the way!
I think with software you can make it so that, when the laptop detects that it's connected to power, use the higher refresh rate, and when it's unplugged, use it at, for example, 60 hz. with custom batch files and something like auto hot key to press fn+r when the charger is not detected
These computers automatically do that. I have the same one as the guy in the video.
BUYER BEWARE - I have the 2019 17" pro version of this laptop. Looking at the one being reviewed i see that it has the same fatal flaw as mine. The 3 pin charge adaptor on the left side of the laptop is Razer proprietary and i have not been able to find one on ebay or ali express. On my laptop the pins inside the charge adapter snapped due to wear. I heard a clicking sound each time and the pins snapped. Contacting Razer support they refused to send me the part or give a repair price. Apparently I would have to send away the laptop potentially for several months in order for them to name me a price. So what i am saying is they have customers over a barrel ,the connector is proprietary and not available anywhere. This is an expensive laptop and there was no way I would send it off and be left hanging like that. Anyway I fixed mine with a couple of brass rods from model scenery supplies and a lot of careful soldering. If you can't do this then don't buy one of these as it is a timebomb and with their refusal to even consider simply sending me a replacement part then they are ripping you off. Apple may be bad but at least Ebay is chock full of parts for them salvaged from already failed machines with these you have to actually repair the components yourself.
Sad 🥺 there's no RGB for extra fps.
Great review as always :D The MSI Creator Z17 is what I like the best from this year, hoping that review will be soon!
hey Jarod, thanks for all your videos !
Can i ask if you recommend the MSI VECTOR GP76 ? i dont see any review on the internet :(
i7 12700H / 16go ddr4 3200 / 3070ti i dont know if the cooling system is on point or not... thank you Jarod :)
RB17 FHD 360hz screens seems to only offer only Optimus (restart when switching) whilst the QHD 240hz screen offers both Optimus and Advanced Optimus - which requires no restart when switching.
Can you review laptops that offer better value for their prices first? Like Zephyrus M16/G15 or Tuf F15 ? I don't think most people find Razer prices reasonable.
And BTW any thoughts on when the new Legion 7/ Slim 7 are coming out ?
Unfortunately I cannot. I'd love to, but ultimately I can only cover what companies send me. I always request lower specced 3060 versions only to get told they don't have any available. It is what it is, I guess they want to make themselves look good in benchmark graphs or something. I know when the new Legion 7 is coming, I just can't talk about it yet :)
@@JarrodsTech can you at least give us a hint? Like is it coming out Q2 or Q3?
Why do they keep removing numpads? I somewhat understand on 15" and smaller machines with space constraints, but on this 17" seeing all that empty space and no numpad seems like a giant middle finger.
So purchase a 20 dollar numb pad. I for one can't stand a goofy ass looking full sized numb pad on a machine that cost 2500. I would rather add it on so it can be something I can take off when I don't need it.
@@billbrooke4355 I'll be buying a 12th gen dell xps 17 in the next month I had a 15.6 and fell on hard times. I ABSOLUTELY loved my Xps and currently am using the newest Evo 13 inch xps. But yes i totally agree with you I had a larger laptop years ago and while typing fast would accidentally smash the numbers and also having to keep your right hand at an angle while typing sucks ass
@@billbrooke4355 Thanks man I appreciate it. I no longer need a laptop for typing anymore I use my Fold 3 for all my typing needs now if I need something written up now lol. I totally agree Asus KNOCKS it out of the park with their designs. I looked into the Flow and the price scared me away lol. I thought hell I could have a 17 inch xps for that. I would rather have that giant 4k screen alllllll day long.
what empty space....it literally has two huge upward firing speakers. Numpads cause off center keyboards and those are absolute trash.
@@huskers1278 Why is it goofy?
The 1080p 360Hz and the QHD 240Hz offer Advanced Optimus, while the QHD 165hz and UHD ones don’t
The 1080P 360Hz does not offer advanced optimus.
have you knoticed the battery draining when gaming? mine drops from 100% to minimum of 96% then seems to charge up back up slowly? dont get it o0-
My unit with the 1440p 240hz had really bad contrast when looking at some websites, specially on things with a white background with dark gray letters (not a good UI design, but a lot of sites use it), making it hard to read the text, I returned it just for that reason. Since this is a gaming laptop, I would also mention the keyboard is pretty decent if you play any rhythm games with your laptop. Normally, I would have to use an external mechanical keyboard for rhythm games, but this was good enough to not need one if I'm traveling.
First of all, thank you for the great reviews. No sugar coating or getting emotional. :) I have the i9 version for a couple of weeks now and I wanted to add my remarks.
- I got it over others due to the more professional look, as I am a developer and I used to have a thick and large MSI Titan previously which often received giggles and funny reactions from the people at the office, so this time I decided to get something more "normal looking".
- Unfortunately, the performance is not different from the i7 version, except the single core. CPU temperature easily reaches 100°C under load. I am still in discussion with Razer support if that is normal. Benchmark scores are all over the place. I have seen both ~8700 and ~13800 in Time Spy CPU results. Since one week, I am asking for an explanation from Razer about this (and the 100°C) but no luck so far. They also told me that, if I repaste, my warranty will be void. So waiting.
- I installed Fedora Linux 36 (Beta) with kernel 5.17 and in Optimus mode everything I tested works. In dGPU only mode, the screen brightness cannot be adjusted. There is a kernel driver to control the performance options like the Synapse on Windows and after small updates to the code for this model, I was able to boost the CPU and the GPU and control the fans.
- The BIOS is a complete disappointment.
I like the screen and working on it but the unstable performance is irritating at this price.
Ohhh your comment and others are disturbing. It gets very warm I think I should stick to ge76 🤔
Word of warning: I would NOT recommend getting Razer’s Blade laptops. I have used a top spec late 2019 rtx2080 model, and boy oh boy.. all the problems that goes with it. As with what Jarrod said, the paint on the case chips off so easily. I literally never take my laptop anywhere, it never moves from my desk, and yet the ENTIRE sides of the enclosure has its paint chipped off within 3 months. On top of that, within the same period, 7 of the keys RGB’s malfunctioned and wont light up in certain colors (this obviously lowers performance by 69.420%). Then there’s the battery bloating issue. The nail on the coffin? Razer’s notoriously terrible support.
I honestly think the only reason people go for Razer Blades are its sleek look - and once again, in barely a few months, it will look ugly.
I’ve never regretted a high-priced purchase as much as this one.
I was the same with my Samsung S21 Ultra. But I suspect they're not all like that.
Or the name brand. They're no "Gucci of gaming" lol
Battery replacements are available just not from Razer. I did mine and the new battery works okay. I believe it is sourced from same source as the originals.
Hey Jarrod! I just recently purchased a msi ge76 raider with 4k resolution, 3080ti, i9 12th gen, 2tb storage with 64gb ram and I was wondering if you would be interested in making a video with it by any chance since we are both in Australia 🙂
Thanks for the review mate. This or the Alienware x17 both 3k?
I have to choose between Razor Pro 17 (mid 2021 with 11800H, 3060-130watt, 165Hz QHD 17 but apparently without GSync, and adv. optimus.) AND Legion 5 Gen 6 Stingray color (11800H, 3070-130watt, with 165 Hz QHD 15.6 inch GSync, but no adv. optimus) with Razer slightly higher price (1.2x he price of Legion). What should I choose between the two as I like 17 inch more and mobility is not much needed??? If the legion was a 17 incher QHD Gsync then I'd have gone with that with not much confusion.
@Jarrod'sTech
Thanks for a comprehensive and detailed review - as always.
I was waiting for this one.
I want to make my boss to buy new laptop, and so far this seems the best option in it's category: 17" 16:9 fast 1440p display / Thunderbolt 4 / HDMI 2.1
Money no object - is it the best?
Or should I wait for XMG PRO 17?
Any other models (from creators side for example) come to mind?
Lastly - should I hope that there will be AMD 6000 laptops with similar specs and Thunderbolt 4?
Many thanks, keep up the good work :) !
Hey, I think I helped you out in Discord? Otherwise it was something with a very similar question haha. Not sure if I'll be covering the new Pro 17, it seems quite niche. Depends how much you care about portability, as something like GE76 is better performance-wise but also thicker and heavier. There are new 17" with more CPU power coming in May.
Where did you get hdmi cable ? Keep up the good work love your videos
You can find them on Amazon: amzn.to/312yrwO
Hell Jarrod! Thanks so much for the review, it is very informative and helpful! I just purchased this laptop because it was hugely reduced, and I am a bit disappointed with the speakers, especially with the bass... I mean I can start hearing the bass on my iphone from 30Hz while on this laptop with '4subwoofers' it only starts from around 70Hz... Would it be possible to include in your reviews the speakers' frequency response, or at last to give an idea what are the covered frequencies that you can hear? I think it would help very much and would characterize very well the speakers in any laptop.
I hope all laptops companies make the logo in the back of the screen get illuminated when the user opens the laptop (NOT ONLY APPLE AND ALIENSWARE) and i hope they give the ability to change the light color from the BIOS..
Hey JT, great review! I have an urgent question, please answer if possible. So I have the RBP 17 4K 2020 version, earlier today I realised that the left hand palm side is swollen and the battery seems to have inflated. Do you know if this laptop works without battery? Plugging into a plug at all times.
Only the QHD 240 Hz panel supports G-Sync. This is shown on the website, but you need to click on the individual laptop you're interested in to see it.
Yeahhh Jarod this is the review we have been waiting 🥳 🎉!! Now we need Asus to announce 2022 Zephyrus version s17!
They won't release an S17 this year.
Really 😲 😱?? So we are stuck with either razer blade s17 or Msi GE76 🤔
@@MaDFroG88 also Legion 5 17, MSI GS77 GP76, hp omen 17, asus scar 17 and tuf F17 gigabyte aero and aorus 17 and so many other 17" models.
@@sohailbarvar7817 you were right i was so 😠 😡 we did not get a s17 2022!!!!!! Now i have to pick between msi ge76 and razer blade 17 🤔
Hey Jarrod! When will you review the MSI Stealth gl66/gl76 and Asus ROG M16. They are of similar form factor as the Razer Blade 17.
Even though Razer is a Singapore company, no one in Singapore buys a Razer laptop because it is ridiculously overpriced in the country it is from. 🤯
Hi, could u please help me out , regardless of price , what is the most powerful gaming laptop ? MSI ge76 vs Razer blade 17 vs Alienware x17 r2 vs Asus Rog duo 16 , I can not replace my laptop for many years so I need the best one. I will be appreciated if you help me 🙏🙏
I'm also considering Mai ge76 vs razer blade 17 🤔 , but the razer seems to get very warm easily.
Weird thing I found, the 1-2 years older 17" has 4800 rmp max for the fan speed. But the new 2022 one has only 3800?
It seems like a quest to find the optimal gaming laptop-the best overall laptop that gratifies all features and designs.
Jarrod are you going to review the Asus g15 anytime soon, or the 12 games tested, i really would love that, seeing as theres literally no videos out about it yet.
Hello again. Same person who asked for a 3d modeling benchmarks list in your videos. Some of the common apps r Auto CAD, solid works, Auto desk 3d max and MATLAB. The reason I'm asking it is that I think there r a lot of engineering students like me who cannot afford workstation laptops so then they'll lean towards gaming laptops. Either way much obliged to u for the effort and reading the comments. Definitely appreciated.
Btw y don't I receive your short form videos as I do receive your regular longer videos while I'm subscribed ? They just sometimes appear on home page or between subscriptions' uploads. Am I missing sth ?
Tnx again
Thanks for the info David, I'll check it out. Do you know of any benchmarks that these applications use?
In relation to the videos, maybe you're seeing videos from my second channel, Jarrod's Laptops?
ruclips.net/user/JarrodsLaptops
Hi Jarrod, what do you think about razer's quality control nowadays? Still shit or getting better?
Can't decide between a fully kitted out Razer Blade 17 or a fully kitted out Eluktronics PROMETHEUS XVII.. Anyone have an opinion on this??
Hi Jarrod’sTech!
When do you think you’ll have the ROG zephyrus duo 16 for review?
I mean, guys: it's a bargain! Who wouldn't want and overheating, with often inflating (and potentially exploding) batteries, beast for just AUD$ 11.972,40? C'mon! What you're waiting for??
Ge76 is better than razer blade 17?
Hey Jarrod, do you overclock any of the laptops you tested or your personal one? If yes, do you mind making a guide please? 👉🏼👈🏼
Overclocking a laptop won't offer much performance as they have limited cooling capabilities which manufacturers already maxed out.
Another amazing videl good sir. I was thinking of getting this set with a 3070ti and 1440p display or the alienware x17r2 with 4k display and 3070ti. Which would you choose and why? I wish the x17r2 came with a qhd display. I had the x15r2 with qhd but wanted a little bit larger display. I watched mash its review of the x17r2 and the 3070ti on high settings does pretty damn good at 4k and he couldnt even tell the difference when scaling to 1440. Price is about the same sp not worried about that.
I am pretty sure x17 r2 has a qhd display
@@gaithsaleh7880 it doesn't. Only offers two different 1080 p panels and a 4k 120 hz option. Maybe in the next line up they will include the qhd option.
@@kaiichinose9590 oh alright then get the alienware with the 4k 120hz because you can downscale it to qhd while gaming and even 1080p, having a 4k panel is pretty good considering u can downscale to qhd
great vids! Is it worth it to wait for the version with40 series GPU or hx Intel processor?
Thanks, depends entirely on whether you need something now or not. Current GPUs are quite great already, we won't even get a 40 series laptop announcement until CES in 6 months. HX processors only give more multicore performance (video coming next week), so depends if that benefits your workload.
I love Razer blades, but I am so sick of the weak brightness..
I had the 2019 version with the 2080. The new model with a 1440P display and 12th gen intel seems to solve both of the problems I had with mine. 1080P was not quite enough to tax the 2080 and the mobile i7 was the biggest limiting factor in gaming performance.
Would you recommend 🤔 razer blade 17 or msi ge76?
@@MaDFroG88 I have not used the MSI but I've heard good things about it. The blade pro 17 was a very good gaming laptop but for the money, I'd only buy another one if it was completely impractical to own a desktop.
@@Piketom1 I read a lot of negative comments from customers a out it getting warm fast and bad performance in general, only great design. Price is the same in my country 3000 💶 for qhd 3070ti models for both models.
@@MaDFroG88 I think some of those comments were overblown. It's going to run hot because it's still a laptop. There are other gaming laptops that are less portable and have better thermals but that's always a trade-off with X86 laptops. I found the performance of mine to be great and based on reviews as well as personal experience, the 9th gen i7 performed about on par with other ultra-premium notebooks in the same price range. Razer definitely made a choice to prioritize a thin, attractive design at the expense of the best possible performance but thee was plenty of headroom for the 2080 in the model I had. I'd love to try the new 12th gen model with the QHD display as that seems like it would really be a better configuration than what was available in 2020 when I bought mine.
@@Piketom1 yeah but those negative comments from customers scared me because I live in warmer area and if it gets hot that easily it will perform very bad 👎
not sure if this is dumb request but could you test audio jack ports for interferences? dunno if i should buy sound cards for mic and headphones or not
7:29 what's the purpose of the fan in between the battery ?
Hey Jarrod. Just set up the RUclips membership, but not seeing a discord link under membership
Nevermind :) got it
Good to hear, and welcome! Unfortunately the process isn't very clear via RUclips, you get the Discord link via Patreon which is a bit easier.
alienware r2 17 vs razer bladed 17 , waiting for your comparison to make my purchase LETS GOO !
Can someone explain to me why gaming laptops nowadays have minimal ports? I got my 2016 model laptop in 2017 and it has 4 USB ports, one USB c thunderbolt, one HDMI, 2 mini display ports, one vga port, multi card reader, audio out/in and mic ports, Ethernet port and that weird port that lights up red I think it's optical or something. I may have also not mentioned one or two more ports. I paid 2400 for this laptop back in 2017.
Modern laptops that cost 4k don't have half the ports mine does. What's up with that?
Also why do modern laptops have very minimal ventilation vents on the bottom? The bottom of the laptop I mentioned has vents covering nearly the entire bottom side and even the left right and back has vents.
Hey man, I always watch your videos and cant find better reviewers out there. Still have a problem tho, I have two options and i cant decide what to buy, legion 5 pro with ryzen 7 5800, 32 gb ram, 1 tb, rtx 3070 8 gb OR I7 11800, 32 gb ram, 1 tb, rtx 3060 6gb. Gamer here. If i remember well, you said the AMD Ram has some problems. Any opinions? Anyone? Thank you!
I dont know why you all are running your screens dimmed, I always run my at full brightness
Hey Jarrod, could you do a video comparing the 2022 razer blade 14, 15, and 17?
hello jarrod. what's your take on intel's NUC laptops? in my country I can find NUC x15, 15.6 inch 165hz, 3070, 11800h, 32gb ram, 1tb ssd for 1400EURs which is about 1550 US$
Does it make sense to expect that those 4K panels will NOT have Advanced Optimus available, while those 1080p and 1440p will? I also have 4K with no Advanced Optimus.
Hey Jarrod, Which panel should i buy for gaming, FHD 360Hz on 17" or spend 200$ more for a QHD 144Hz 17"?
QHD 144 is best. I think
Bro which one is great to buy
msi g 65 with i7 10 gen ,6 gb graphic card ,1 tbssd, nividia 3060
Or
Asus tuf f 17 with i5 11 gen,4 graphic card, rtx 3050 ti, 1 tb ssd
Both are same coming in same price me
How does it perform cooling wise with closed lid??
5:49
This transition
Could you make comparison with this and desktop PC with same similar spec, how much FPS difference?
Are the maingear vector pros any good? Please review them!!!!
is one of the ram glued or are both replaceable?
Hi , please I'm planning for 15 inch advanced 4k 144hz. Kindly let me know if 17 inch is far better
Nice t-shirt Dude!
Is this good battery ?
When Razer makes a gaming laptop with a 16:10 display I’ll buy it
Sadly nobody is making those in a 17" chassis. Maybe next year we will get 18" laptops.
@@Agedude 18 inch Legion 5 Pro please!??!
Wonderful review, thank you! Do you see either Razer or MSI adopting the upcoming Intel i9-12900HX CPU for the Blade 17 or GE76?
Yeah Msi will with the titan series update.
@@MaDFroG88 Thank you. Yeah I have been following the news. MSI will have the HX series in the GT77 Titan, and GE67 & GE77 Raider. The announcement is on June 6!
@@LeonardoAlexi I’m still wondering what to buy 🤔 razer blade 17 or msi ge76??!
@@MaDFroG88 I would wait for the GE77's announcement first, then come back here and let's discuss. The Razer Blade 17 & MSI GE76 (now 77) are the top 2 17" laptops that I'm keeping an eye on.
the laptop is great but the bios had me wondering, why is the bios old for a new gaming laptop?
Can someone recommend a review channel for phones but with an in-depth and detail testing such as this one?
Hey Jarrod, I was wondering if you have Zephyrus G15 2022 Model in your testing list... Cuz Im choosing between G15 and G14
Do you need a 15" or a 14" laptop ? The answer is simple.
I trade in a 16 inch MacBook Pro M1 Pro base for this laptop, but mine the CPU is always at 90 degrees with some spikes to 98, and the chassis gets extremely at hot, is that normal?? That’s when I play games like God of War.
Iv owned several razers . You wear a ring and in my experience that is enough to scratch it when carrying.
Hey Jarrod, I am thinking about buying a laptop, probably GE76 and I thought it would be a good idea to place it on a stand and put some 120mm fans underneath it for extra circulation of air. Do you think this will be better than a cooling pad?
Cooling pads don't make much of a difference for most laptops unless they don't have enough room underneath. And I see no reason why someone would want larger fans underneath their laptop. It won't push more air into your laptop like a case the idea of cooling pad is just keeping the intake air cool.
@@sohailbarvar7817 yeah, those 120mms could replicate the best effect a cooling pad can have on a laptop and just push in some more cool air.
You might see temps a couple degrees lower, but I highly doubt it'll give a noticeable performance boost. I think it will just generate more noise and suck more dust into your laptop's heatsink.
@@ren8 Yeah, that's I am just making sure
So msi ge76 or razer blade 17 ?
I ended up getting this one, enjoying it for now. While it definitely has its downsides, like the trackpad. But for all my music production and gaming it's been a very enjoyable experience albeit overpriced. It's quiet, cool, and fast.
Return it and get a 2022 Legion 7i
Don’t let Razer scam you man. You’re paying 4K for a laptop that’s inferior then the GE76 and even the Legion 7i in every other aspect.
@@Who-Uhm-Cares I'm also considering razer blade 17 vs msi ge76 🤔 qhd models with 3070ti
@@Who-Uhm-Cares LOL GE76 is worse QC. I had to RMA mine twice, once for display issues and 2nd because the bezels came untaped and fell off, who the f*** uses 3M tape to hold up a bezel and then have the sticky come unstuck just from normal use? Razer is expensive yes, then would you say Apple is scamming you for their quality product too??
@@MaDFroG88 Blade. i owned the 2019 Blade 15 and now this one, no issues on the 2019 and no issues so far on the 2022. GE76 might be good in specs but it will get hotter than this blade and the qc is lacking, see my comments above regarding the screen qc. my 17 blade right now doesn't go over 80deg on CPU and 75 deg on GPU all on High and the keyboard remains cool
Can you review the Lenovo Ideapad gaming 3. The version is the i5 10300h, 8gb ram, 256gb ssd, 120hz screen, gtx 1650.
Will you also review Zephyrus g15 as well?
which cooling pad u used for testing
I got the mid-2021 I9 3080 version with 32GB Ram , was looking to see if you had done a review on that but couldn’t find one :(
Does the MSI Katana GF76 11UD with the 3050Ti bypass Optimus with HDMI?
Jarrod, any idea what the wattage is for the 3070ti variant?
150 watts. But the CPU performance is disappointing in this chassis as Jarrod showed.
@@andrewmorris3479 Is that 150 watts under boost? And the 3070ti is the same as the 3080ti as far as wattage? I thought the 3080ti was 150 watts boost to 165?
@@justinward1580 Yep, +25W on the 3070 Ti and +15W on the 3080 Ti.
The 360Hz 17” does not offer advanced optimus.
Can you do review on Asus Rog Strix 15/17 with i9 12900H and RTX 3070/3080 Ti?
He will review the special edition strix 17 once it'd available.
dang. That camera is impressive as hell.
I really dislike the gaming screen barely reaches 350nits. Should be 400nits minimum.
Hey dude I have ordered hp omen-laptop-15-en1010nr model. It shows that is has both igpu and dgpu. But does it support mux switch? Can u pls verify and tell 🙂🙂
they have this with 3060 config on special atm in some places.. Is it worth it at this stage?