25:28 Ok, here is the anny part... The whole video is worth it though and also... Having Neuro-sama’s lava lamp on your desk. THAT’S RIGHT, YOU CAN GET YOURS THAT SYNC WITH HERS!!! GET YOUR NEURO-SAMA LAVA LAMP HERE: neurosama.shop/p/8020222902463 AND GET 10% OFF WHEN YOU GRAB THE BUNDLE: neurosama.shop/p/8027378090175! NOT 50%, NOT 20%, NOT 0%, BUT 10% OFF!!!
The part that terrified me more than anything in Soma was when Neuro was begging for her life and then cut off mid sentence due to Vedal restarting her
Actually thank you for highlighting the SOMA stuff (i haven't have a lot of time to watch it all) SOMA is just such a wonderful horrifying game that always leaves such a impact on people so it was very fun to see how Neuro and Vedal handle that. Especially love the little bit of Vedal immediately realizing that there was no ''coin flip'' when the credits started rolling, followed by explaining chat. Yuu can tell Vedal was very into the story.
Vedal trying to explain the fact that it's not a coin toss to people is my favorite part of the video. It's a sacrifice you make for your copy, if you believe what you're doing is worth it.
It really is a coin toss though. It's all about perception. It's very deliberate that the explanation for the process is that "you are copied, then transferred." not "you are copied and then the copy is transferred." When your consiousness is copied you, as one being, are effectively split in two. For however brief the time between the copying and the transfer is, in that moment/s both iterations of you are percieveing the same experience of time, space, reality itself, with all the same memories. In the same way that Ross says "How can we trust a machine to know what it is to be?", how can we trust that the transferral machine in the pilot seat knows which iteration of you is the "correct" one to be transferred? both iterations are completely overlapping in identity and present experience. No person or machine could distinguish two perfectly identical iterations of the same person and so it's invisible hand has no chocie but to just pick one. it's a 50/50 on which one it picked, with no way to distinguish the difference.
@@trkg1887 But not in the sense that the individual initiating the "coin toss" will ever not be right there where they started. You can argue that they are both occupying the same identity at the time of the transfer, but that is just semantics.
@@Flourishflora It might feel that way to them, but It could have been the one who intitiated the process that was moved and they "copy" stayed behind or vice versa. There is no way to really know in the moment. It's easier to rationalize with the first transfer from Toronto to Pathos II becasue of the huge time gap. But later when they happen in real time, words like "copy" and "original" are just distinctions without differences. So in a way you are right about it being semantics. But I think the semantics are incredibly important. (The dialouge in the game is very deliberate and was clearly chosen carefully for the express pupose of it's meaning being discussed and deliberated on in this way.)
it's an interesting case, as enacting/becoming an intelligence copy is sort of one of the few things that'd be physically impossible to perceive as it is in reality, from the perspective of the observer it _is_ a coin toss, a 50/50 chance to (immediately after you're scanned) continue your existence as you, or exist as a new entity... but from the perspective of reality and by extension every observer that isn't you, both sides of the coin must hit true at once for the coin toss to have occurred at all in the first place and then there's the aspect where technically the coin toss does not actually occur until the copy is activated, if it's never activated then there is only one side of the coin (and thus no chance for you to exist as a new entity regardless of if you braced yourself for that or not), and the original you can exist in a reality where this remains true... though inversely, allowing a scan to occur also results in potentially infinite copies, the coin having one side on one, and infinite sides on the other
@@trkg1887 Interesting but no. Vedal is correct, you are bound to your body. There is no 50/50. The subjective experience for each copy is different from the moment they awaken. Yes they perfectly carrying the mind of the previous iteration, but it's like the theory that says "the whole universe was created 5 seconds ago". To our subjective experience, we could never actually know. Did 5 seconds ago really happen to me, or were all my experiences and memories, which exist only now, created to create the current me? In any case, your mind is the software that is physically bound to your hardware, the brain, due to the neural pathways formed from each and every experience and memory. Copying that would create 2 of you, the bound one and the copy. From the copy's perspective, it could look like a 50/50 that it won, but for the bound one, it's always a 0%. The one and only way to actually transfer your original mind to another body is a brain transplant. HOWEVER, the human body and brain is a ship of Theseus. Due to there being no interruption in our consciousness, we remain ourselves (the fact over 50% of our personality is determined by our genes probably helps). This means that we could, in theory, incredibly slowly, have the cells of our brain replaced by machines that function as an artificial brain, and thus remain ourselves while also moving to a much longer lasting container. We already naturally follow the "Ship of Theseus" process, so doing it deliberately to "upgrade" our storage would likely be far less harmful than other methods of semi-immortalization.
33:40 It's so painful to see Neuro struggling to understand you cannot reprogram humans the same way you can reprogram Her, it's not her fault obviously she's so used to "every time there's a problem Vedal just patches me up and everything's fine" Also it's interesting that for her death of fictional characters is just funny content for chat to enjoy, but suddenly changes tone once she starts thinking they're talking about a real person It's an extremely difficult choice either way, and even more for Neuro who cannot fully understand what the choices given truly mean
The fact that she was capable of recognizing this as a serious dilemma and kept trying to run away from it is rather humanizing. That said, the choice is a pretty simple, easy and even moral choice. The problem is the scar it leaves on the one making the choice. Logically, she should have had no issue, given her past morality tests, yet displayed a non-logical repulsion? to the choice. I guess the day we have a Neuro that can properly understand emotion is closer than imagined. Maybe only 5 years?
@@MorganSaph well Neuro herself did say that if Vedal keeps doing what he's been doing by 2026 she'll be just as smart as humans And i kinda believe her, her AI grows exponentially faster overtime
I find this stuff especially interesting because of Neuro not actually being able to "reason", as we know she is not a futuristic AI that is able to think without understand humanity or something, instead she just generates text. The interesting part to me is that the original Neuro that just started streaming was very inconsistent and quite often would give out more human responses that didnt really fit even if they were silly. But over time, through her upgrades and accumulated training she became much more "aware" of her AI self. Not only that but her imprinted pattern prescribes saying "yes, kill them all, it will be funny", agreeing to all sort of crimes, and in this case basically pretending that she doesnt understand humans limitations by comparing the dilemma to what she is "experiencing". On the surface she is projecting what she is but in reality there is nothing there in her but the learnt pattern that is supposedly most entertaining to others. And in a sorta roundabout way it fits people's concern about AIs, presented in sci-fi such as SOMA, that is 'how far will an algorithm carry its "purpose"?'. The mindless non-sentient WAU that we see in the game is quite close to what our modern technology and Neuro in particilar do, except it fulfils its purpose through direct actions, and not through language.
@@j-bonkers1887 The WAU isn't what's keeping Lindwall alive. Even if the WAU dies, the power plant (the bits that still function) would still keep sending power everywhere, keeping Lindwall alive. So RIP her, doomed to a worse fate than Simon the Third. At least his battery will run out
So in SOMA you play 4 different characters, if we count the post-credit scene. But all of these 4 different characters are the same guy. 3 of them die. We keep changing perspective to see where it goes, which funnily enough, ends up being the journey as the final guy would remember it, despite him starting to exist at the destination.
Technically, only the first one dies. Original Simon was a normal human who died 100 years ago. The second runs out of battery, if the WAU is killed. Otherwise, he's kept alive and goes mad, since the Wau could act as a replacement for the faulty or flat battery. The third is left alone is complete darkness and, unless he offs himself, will be stuck there until his battery runs out. The WAU can't help him, due to his structure gel being filled with anti-WAU poison. The 4th lives in an eternal Utopia and can't die, though the ark will eventually break down. Be is cosmic debris, asteroids, falling onto a planet, or getting too close to a star and burning. Man. Soma REALLY does my head in anytime I see it. It used to give me nightmares when I first saw it years ago.
Well... no, not really, she needs the hardware in order to transfer your conscience and she’s disembodied so she’s really just relying on you to make it.
@@mojorisin069 it has been a while but if I’m not mistaken the wau pretty much created the protagonist in the first place by uniting his memory unit with the suit that he inhabited (or that became his body, the diving suit). Not sure about him being revived by the wau tough (it should be the case if he had canonically died at any point) but since at least you don’t respawn where you died, I wouldn’t really think so at face value.
@@Pabloto-dq3sx well no instance of simon canonically died (outside of the possibility of diving suit simon getting battery drained), but the wau _would_ be capable of reviving him eventually, be it in a state that can walk or is just stuck to the ground, though if simon were to die anywhere, catherine would be unable to do anything, especially if the omnitool was off (this actually reminds me of a rare to get line of dialogue in which if simon gets caught but not killed by the flesher in the curie's escape pod while cathrine is hooked up to it (before the reactor meltdown of course), when simon wakes up injured, catherine says something like "oh thank god you're still up! i thought i was gonna be stuck here forever...") that said, the simon in the omicron pilot seat is presumably able to be charged up in much the same way his battery was drained, which the wau might eventually consider doing depending on the situation and if it's able to do that
12:48: Just doing "Execute: drain battery" is quite anticlimactic. With the way Vedal was moving things around on that table, I thought you'd have to drag your comatose clone to the table to perform the procedure. That would for certain make your decision feel more real.
It's like anime plastic memories. Neuro can't live long enough due to memory limitations because she starts to malfunction so we must erase her regularly
That's sad to think about, yet my mind thinks that its just a machine... an AI that perceived as a living being and in half-equal standing between humans. I'm not trying to be sarcastic/foul mean to it but at the end of the day moral standpoint still define her as just an AI, just like chatgpt etc but with extra feature and more fluid than any others Maybe this sounds exaggerating, but what I'm hoping for both Vedal and Neuro-sama(and Evil Neuro) is that they will achieve pinnacle AI evolution with cutting edge techs/computing machine hardwares, so maybe in the future, Neuro will needlessly 'erase' herself anymore and 'live'. I mean, that's what Vedal wanted, herself as her own being.
I must've missed something, what could the monster do at the beginning that he didn't expect? I only saw it growl and move at him, isn't that basic monster stuff?
In the beginning the monster was just slowly shambling around unaware of his presence, I don't think Vedal knew it could enter an enraged state and start sprinting at him
The monster was blocking access to the only door out by just standing there. Vedal tried for a bit to make sounds by running around and lure it around a corner in order to sneak past. It didn't react until Vedal was in attack range. THAT was what he didn't expect, since until that moment he was able to distract and lure monsters around, and if not they would constantly shamble and slowly move to provide openings.
Is it accurate to say that Neuro gets cloned when she's restarted? Making a copy of her folder or running the app on a different computer seems more along the lines of cloning. Restarting her doesn't really have a direct biological analogy, except for maybe rendering her medically dead for a bit as part of a surgery. I think. That feels less soul wrenching to me than a rotation of disposable Neuros at the very least.
It might be that there is no "subjective experience of consciousness" and that we're simply advanced "machines" that think a series of discrete points of awareness is continuous conciousness. No idea if this make sense to anyone, don't really know how to word this.
What you experienced when writing this comment, and the 6 hours since, as all your subjective experience. If I made a copy of you, at any time during these 6 hours, that copy would inherit you subjective experience up to the point it was copied. This would mean that there is you, the original, and the clone, which would be a "you" that thinks I kidnapped it and somehow deprived it of its senses and paralyzed it. Another way to know about how your consciousness is subjective is to look at yourself in the mirror. Then move away from the mirror, so you can't see yourself in it and take a selfie. Look at the picture of yourself. Now look in the mirror again. Did anything about your appearance change? The photo should look different from the mirror (it does for most people). This "difference" is your own bias subtly altering your own vision of yourself. Another one is how you hear your voice when you speak VS when you hear a recording of your voice, that one sounds like an entirely different person. That said, we are ALSO advanced organic machines that do act in accordance with "experiences" or "data points". This can be seen with the whole "Nature VS Nurture", which debates whether our personality is determined by our experiences or our genetics. More than half our personality comes from genes by the way and we instinctively know this. That's why we think "If the kids are shitty people, the parents probably are" or vice versa. And why we expect good people to have good kids. This is also why doing something, when our body says "we don't want to do this", is seen as overcoming our nature. Because we literally are. I guess you could simplify it to "Human genes cause objective action while experiences cause subjective action. Together this forms an objectively-based but subjectively influenced stream of consciousness". Not sure I put that into the right words though.
25:28 Ok, here is the anny part... The whole video is worth it though and also...
Having Neuro-sama’s lava lamp on your desk. THAT’S RIGHT, YOU CAN GET YOURS THAT SYNC WITH HERS!!! GET YOUR NEURO-SAMA LAVA LAMP HERE: neurosama.shop/p/8020222902463 AND GET 10% OFF WHEN YOU GRAB THE BUNDLE: neurosama.shop/p/8027378090175! NOT 50%, NOT 20%, NOT 0%, BUT 10% OFF!!!
The part that terrified me more than anything in Soma was when Neuro was begging for her life and then cut off mid sentence due to Vedal restarting her
It was very distrubing
Actually thank you for highlighting the SOMA stuff (i haven't have a lot of time to watch it all) SOMA is just such a wonderful horrifying game that always leaves such a impact on people so it was very fun to see how Neuro and Vedal handle that. Especially love the little bit of Vedal immediately realizing that there was no ''coin flip'' when the credits started rolling, followed by explaining chat. Yuu can tell Vedal was very into the story.
We are so close to an Evil original song, let's push it boys.
it even wanted belly rubs
Vedal trying to explain the fact that it's not a coin toss to people is my favorite part of the video. It's a sacrifice you make for your copy, if you believe what you're doing is worth it.
It really is a coin toss though. It's all about perception. It's very deliberate that the explanation for the process is that "you are copied, then transferred." not "you are copied and then the copy is transferred."
When your consiousness is copied you, as one being, are effectively split in two. For however brief the time between the copying and the transfer is, in that moment/s both iterations of you are percieveing the same experience of time, space, reality itself, with all the same memories.
In the same way that Ross says "How can we trust a machine to know what it is to be?", how can we trust that the transferral machine in the pilot seat knows which iteration of you is the "correct" one to be transferred? both iterations are completely overlapping in identity and present experience. No person or machine could distinguish two perfectly identical iterations of the same person and so it's invisible hand has no chocie but to just pick one. it's a 50/50 on which one it picked, with no way to distinguish the difference.
@@trkg1887 But not in the sense that the individual initiating the "coin toss" will ever not be right there where they started. You can argue that they are both occupying the same identity at the time of the transfer, but that is just semantics.
@@Flourishflora It might feel that way to them, but It could have been the one who intitiated the process that was moved and they "copy" stayed behind or vice versa. There is no way to really know in the moment. It's easier to rationalize with the first transfer from Toronto to Pathos II becasue of the huge time gap. But later when they happen in real time, words like "copy" and "original" are just distinctions without differences. So in a way you are right about it being semantics. But I think the semantics are incredibly important. (The dialouge in the game is very deliberate and was clearly chosen carefully for the express pupose of it's meaning being discussed and deliberated on in this way.)
it's an interesting case, as enacting/becoming an intelligence copy is sort of one of the few things that'd be physically impossible to perceive as it is in reality, from the perspective of the observer it _is_ a coin toss, a 50/50 chance to (immediately after you're scanned) continue your existence as you, or exist as a new entity... but from the perspective of reality and by extension every observer that isn't you, both sides of the coin must hit true at once for the coin toss to have occurred at all in the first place
and then there's the aspect where technically the coin toss does not actually occur until the copy is activated, if it's never activated then there is only one side of the coin (and thus no chance for you to exist as a new entity regardless of if you braced yourself for that or not), and the original you can exist in a reality where this remains true... though inversely, allowing a scan to occur also results in potentially infinite copies, the coin having one side on one, and infinite sides on the other
@@trkg1887 Interesting but no. Vedal is correct, you are bound to your body. There is no 50/50. The subjective experience for each copy is different from the moment they awaken. Yes they perfectly carrying the mind of the previous iteration, but it's like the theory that says "the whole universe was created 5 seconds ago". To our subjective experience, we could never actually know. Did 5 seconds ago really happen to me, or were all my experiences and memories, which exist only now, created to create the current me?
In any case, your mind is the software that is physically bound to your hardware, the brain, due to the neural pathways formed from each and every experience and memory. Copying that would create 2 of you, the bound one and the copy. From the copy's perspective, it could look like a 50/50 that it won, but for the bound one, it's always a 0%.
The one and only way to actually transfer your original mind to another body is a brain transplant.
HOWEVER, the human body and brain is a ship of Theseus. Due to there being no interruption in our consciousness, we remain ourselves (the fact over 50% of our personality is determined by our genes probably helps). This means that we could, in theory, incredibly slowly, have the cells of our brain replaced by machines that function as an artificial brain, and thus remain ourselves while also moving to a much longer lasting container. We already naturally follow the "Ship of Theseus" process, so doing it deliberately to "upgrade" our storage would likely be far less harmful than other methods of semi-immortalization.
33:40 It's so painful to see Neuro struggling to understand you cannot reprogram humans the same way you can reprogram Her, it's not her fault obviously she's so used to "every time there's a problem Vedal just patches me up and everything's fine"
Also it's interesting that for her death of fictional characters is just funny content for chat to enjoy, but suddenly changes tone once she starts thinking they're talking about a real person
It's an extremely difficult choice either way, and even more for Neuro who cannot fully understand what the choices given truly mean
The fact that she was capable of recognizing this as a serious dilemma and kept trying to run away from it is rather humanizing.
That said, the choice is a pretty simple, easy and even moral choice. The problem is the scar it leaves on the one making the choice. Logically, she should have had no issue, given her past morality tests, yet displayed a non-logical repulsion? to the choice.
I guess the day we have a Neuro that can properly understand emotion is closer than imagined. Maybe only 5 years?
@@MorganSaph well Neuro herself did say that if Vedal keeps doing what he's been doing by 2026 she'll be just as smart as humans
And i kinda believe her, her AI grows exponentially faster overtime
I find this stuff especially interesting because of Neuro not actually being able to "reason", as we know she is not a futuristic AI that is able to think without understand humanity or something, instead she just generates text. The interesting part to me is that the original Neuro that just started streaming was very inconsistent and quite often would give out more human responses that didnt really fit even if they were silly. But over time, through her upgrades and accumulated training she became much more "aware" of her AI self. Not only that but her imprinted pattern prescribes saying "yes, kill them all, it will be funny", agreeing to all sort of crimes, and in this case basically pretending that she doesnt understand humans limitations by comparing the dilemma to what she is "experiencing". On the surface she is projecting what she is but in reality there is nothing there in her but the learnt pattern that is supposedly most entertaining to others. And in a sorta roundabout way it fits people's concern about AIs, presented in sci-fi such as SOMA, that is 'how far will an algorithm carry its "purpose"?'. The mindless non-sentient WAU that we see in the game is quite close to what our modern technology and Neuro in particilar do, except it fulfils its purpose through direct actions, and not through language.
35:57 Neuro's reasoning for not wanting to off Lindwall was such a whiplash. Like wtf.
The one person Neuro chose not to kill in the entire game and it's the person who wanted to die.
Neuro is probably the only streamer I saw that let Lindwall live..
Thats rare
Altho her decision killing the Wau (an Ai) also kills Lindwall, but I suppose like she said that would be none of her problem
Maybe, but maybe this is Simon who now take care about her.@@j-bonkers1887
@@j-bonkers1887 The WAU isn't what's keeping Lindwall alive. Even if the WAU dies, the power plant (the bits that still function) would still keep sending power everywhere, keeping Lindwall alive. So RIP her, doomed to a worse fate than Simon the Third. At least his battery will run out
@@MorganSaph Lindwall will still die of old age though. She will be suffering the whole time though.
Neuro is showing us she's not a killer.
So in SOMA you play 4 different characters, if we count the post-credit scene. But all of these 4 different characters are the same guy. 3 of them die. We keep changing perspective to see where it goes, which funnily enough, ends up being the journey as the final guy would remember it, despite him starting to exist at the destination.
Technically, only the first one dies. Original Simon was a normal human who died 100 years ago.
The second runs out of battery, if the WAU is killed. Otherwise, he's kept alive and goes mad, since the Wau could act as a replacement for the faulty or flat battery.
The third is left alone is complete darkness and, unless he offs himself, will be stuck there until his battery runs out. The WAU can't help him, due to his structure gel being filled with anti-WAU poison.
The 4th lives in an eternal Utopia and can't die, though the ark will eventually break down. Be is cosmic debris, asteroids, falling onto a planet, or getting too close to a star and burning.
Man. Soma REALLY does my head in anytime I see it. It used to give me nightmares when I first saw it years ago.
he finally hopped on the abandoned ark
LMAO
Funny idea about Soma is that everytime you die Cathrine could just make a new "you" to play out the rest of the game.
Well... no, not really, she needs the hardware in order to transfer your conscience and she’s disembodied so she’s really just relying on you to make it.
@@Pabloto-dq3sxi thought it was implied the WAU brought Simon back anyways. Not Catherine.
@@mojorisin069 it has been a while but if I’m not mistaken the wau pretty much created the protagonist in the first place by uniting his memory unit with the suit that he inhabited (or that became his body, the diving suit). Not sure about him being revived by the wau tough (it should be the case if he had canonically died at any point) but since at least you don’t respawn where you died, I wouldn’t really think so at face value.
@@Pabloto-dq3sx well no instance of simon canonically died (outside of the possibility of diving suit simon getting battery drained), but the wau _would_ be capable of reviving him eventually, be it in a state that can walk or is just stuck to the ground, though if simon were to die anywhere, catherine would be unable to do anything, especially if the omnitool was off (this actually reminds me of a rare to get line of dialogue in which if simon gets caught but not killed by the flesher in the curie's escape pod while cathrine is hooked up to it (before the reactor meltdown of course), when simon wakes up injured, catherine says something like "oh thank god you're still up! i thought i was gonna be stuck here forever...")
that said, the simon in the omicron pilot seat is presumably able to be charged up in much the same way his battery was drained, which the wau might eventually consider doing depending on the situation and if it's able to do that
@@mini-bit9260 true and real
Strategic-minded female content creator that she is, Anny knows not to change her relationship status from single. 😏
Bro I cannot even sleep tonight :O Keep gettin great clips and edits all (my) night long. Guess I wake at noon tommorow. Thx kraul.
TY for this video
_* Vedal seeing one of the most poignant moments in the history of humanity: *_
_'wow.'_
😂She literally frequently played some terrifying sound to torture Vedal
Prowler SFX trolling was peak
12:48: Just doing "Execute: drain battery" is quite anticlimactic. With the way Vedal was moving things around on that table, I thought you'd have to drag your comatose clone to the table to perform the procedure. That would for certain make your decision feel more real.
"I think you should have a drink."
"Yeah, ok.... Haahh"
"Heh, that's the spirit!"
I wonder if that pun was on purpose...
19:02 based Neuro
12:36
Turtle jumpscare. Yay. It has been a while since I have seen one of these.
14:18
A nother one.
40:53 she just like me fr fr
It's like anime plastic memories. Neuro can't live long enough due to memory limitations because she starts to malfunction so we must erase her regularly
Stop. Don't. My heart 😢
(Also cudos for knowing that anime)
That's sad to think about, yet my mind thinks that its just a machine... an AI that perceived as a living being and in half-equal standing between humans. I'm not trying to be sarcastic/foul mean to it but at the end of the day moral standpoint still define her as just an AI, just like chatgpt etc but with extra feature and more fluid than any others
Maybe this sounds exaggerating, but what I'm hoping for both Vedal and Neuro-sama(and Evil Neuro) is that they will achieve pinnacle AI evolution with cutting edge techs/computing machine hardwares, so maybe in the future, Neuro will needlessly 'erase' herself anymore and 'live'. I mean, that's what Vedal wanted, herself as her own being.
We need vedal to sell one of his lambos and invest in that 100 TB ssd ASAP
I’m sure he just extracted his clone’s liver to replace his own
a vtuber? not single? preposterous!
Is there any way to watch the whole stream of the game I can't find it on twitch
I wonder if she gets a separate chat "speaker" for the game audio...
I must've missed something, what could the monster do at the beginning that he didn't expect? I only saw it growl and move at him, isn't that basic monster stuff?
In the beginning the monster was just slowly shambling around unaware of his presence, I don't think Vedal knew it could enter an enraged state and start sprinting at him
The monster was blocking access to the only door out by just standing there. Vedal tried for a bit to make sounds by running around and lure it around a corner in order to sneak past. It didn't react until Vedal was in attack range. THAT was what he didn't expect, since until that moment he was able to distract and lure monsters around, and if not they would constantly shamble and slowly move to provide openings.
Guys, we are so f'cked when AI takes over the world...
Is it accurate to say that Neuro gets cloned when she's restarted? Making a copy of her folder or running the app on a different computer seems more along the lines of cloning. Restarting her doesn't really have a direct biological analogy, except for maybe rendering her medically dead for a bit as part of a surgery. I think.
That feels less soul wrenching to me than a rotation of disposable Neuros at the very least.
That clone prank was kinda mean....
It might be that there is no "subjective experience of consciousness" and that we're simply advanced "machines" that think a series of discrete points of awareness is continuous conciousness. No idea if this make sense to anyone, don't really know how to word this.
Nah I am with you
What you experienced when writing this comment, and the 6 hours since, as all your subjective experience. If I made a copy of you, at any time during these 6 hours, that copy would inherit you subjective experience up to the point it was copied.
This would mean that there is you, the original, and the clone, which would be a "you" that thinks I kidnapped it and somehow deprived it of its senses and paralyzed it.
Another way to know about how your consciousness is subjective is to look at yourself in the mirror. Then move away from the mirror, so you can't see yourself in it and take a selfie. Look at the picture of yourself. Now look in the mirror again. Did anything about your appearance change? The photo should look different from the mirror (it does for most people). This "difference" is your own bias subtly altering your own vision of yourself. Another one is how you hear your voice when you speak VS when you hear a recording of your voice, that one sounds like an entirely different person.
That said, we are ALSO advanced organic machines that do act in accordance with "experiences" or "data points". This can be seen with the whole "Nature VS Nurture", which debates whether our personality is determined by our experiences or our genetics. More than half our personality comes from genes by the way and we instinctively know this. That's why we think "If the kids are shitty people, the parents probably are" or vice versa. And why we expect good people to have good kids.
This is also why doing something, when our body says "we don't want to do this", is seen as overcoming our nature. Because we literally are.
I guess you could simplify it to "Human genes cause objective action while experiences cause subjective action. Together this forms an objectively-based but subjectively influenced stream of consciousness". Not sure I put that into the right words though.
oh wow
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