No one knows how good this bar routine is, I mean most of her moves are all D and E scoring elements, those pirouettes are so hard, definately deserved that score!
The rest of her routine was basically perfect and that dismount has a high score so even fumbling it a bit would still mean high points. Truly a fantastic routine.
Nastia's Stratospheric level of skill ability and talent is staggering so that she makes a routine most wouldn't even dare to try actually look easy// I think people forget that, she's incredible
I disagree. Her dismount was always absolutely FUCKED. Also, there have been incredible bar workers like Shilese Jones and Madison Kocian who have come after her. Nastia was incredible, but I don't think the best ever.
I don't get why people think that she should've gotten deductions for "not keeping her feet together during giants." That's done by many gymnasts to avoid hitting the low bar, which would incur 0.5 deductions. Just like Komova, who had to learn the hard way after hitting the low bar with her feet during a giant in the EF in London, which unfortunately costed her the gold. After that, she learned to make sure to separate her legs when her feet approaches the low bar.
She's doing the method called "Russian tap". No way would she she doing this way if she was only getting hit hard with deductions. She's doing it correctly.
It's not a deduction that she separates her legs when she swings on the high bar. She separates them to avoid getting deduction actually. If she didn't separate them she'd hit the lower bar and that's a big deduction.
Ashley Yoon exactly yes, that’s what I was saying. For a gymnast, she was “tall” so that’s why she did that with her feet. Maybe the judges mistook it and called it a deduction when it really wasn’t.
Minami Suzuki Scoring systems change all the time. In 2000 a 9.8 routine was worth a 9.6 a year later- hence they changed the scoring system to one with no ceiling.
cheyenneoc Thank you for saying that! Whenever I watch clips from the 2008 Olympic cycle I keep wondering why the scores average a full point higher on 3 of the events. You comment is the first explanation I've found.
Minami Suzuki You don't have to compare her difficulty with today's gymnasts. All three of China's UB workers had routines that could/should have beaten her. Especially He Kexin(who did) and Yilin(who was ripped off)...
Vette gaddia well i don't see why people say yilin was ripped off. I mean nastia had a higher d score. Moreover the olympics took place in china itself so i mean you wouldn't be a against ure own countrys gymnast.
Judging is dumb at nationals, realistically there would've been 0.1 off for flexed feet, 0.3 for the cow boy, 0.3 for the low landing, and 0.5 for the step. I literally just found double the deductions of what the judges found.
Jose Nguyen Usually at US events, the gymnasts are given a few extra tenths for doing difficult skills (usually 0.2-.0.4). This is why their scores are inflated.
Wow! That was a great bar routine. I'm a gymnast competing Xcel Gold and I hope I'll be able to do all the amazing skills Nastia Liukin and other gymnasts can do!😊
"Tell me this doesn't look like a kid playing on the playground, just flying around" Um, okay. This doesn't look like a kid playing on the playground, Tim.
Nastia was one of my favorites,Shannon Miller's been #1 in my book! Been following Women's Gymnastics since the days of Mary Lou Retton...can't wait for this year's Olympics...I'm sure our U.S. team will represent well,they always do! 💯👏👍♥️
As many others have pointed out, she has to separate her legs to avoid hitting the low bar, and that doesn't incur a deduction (although the bent knees on the giants does). Elfi still made an incorrect comment, because she separates her legs every time she does a cast.
The bent knees on the giants is a bail tap, it has become a somewhat acceptable techniques used by taller gymnast. The FIG bar settings don't change, so you have to come up with different techniques to accommodate different body types.
@Mrmartinnico It's a double-front, half out. If she did a double front, she'd end up facing the bars, but she does a half-twist in the final salto that ends her up facing away from the bars.
how does she do the one arm full turn?? what grip does she use? I just can't picture it in my mind without her arm snapping in half! lol :) she must use a mixed grip but i can't see it...
She is absolutely gorgeous on this! But when I saw the 17.1 score, I was skeptical, but then I saw somebody write that this would be a 15.666 in the new code of points and that made more sense. Great routine though.
+mrsjojo xoxo Not for deductions, but if you believe in avoiding a spinal injury it is. And probably a good reason she never connected anything out of it.
@octoberbabycheer i like this dismount despite the flexed feet. I think it's cool. it's sort of a "fierce" finish instead of the "elegant" finish you seem to prefer. i guess it's just a matter of taste. why she faltered with her dismount? after she came out of the tucked position her chest was down for too long then when she landed she was bent over at the hips, forcing her to walk forward to gain balance. if she had brought her chest up sooner when she got out of the tuck she wouldve stuck it.
That man was Valeri Liukin, her dad and coach. What he was doing was "spotting" so basically if she looked like she might miss the bar on the release move he'd either catch her or help her fall onto the mats without hurting herself. ;D he's awesome at spotting!
It was 7.7 with the old code of points but it changed in 2009 (?) and I thought it was lower now. If she performed this exact same routine right now, her D score would be lower right?
Way over scored! 9.4 execution . . . Not a chance! The dismount alone was at least .5 off are they saying she basically no other mistake (I can see bent legs and missed handstands and I'm no expert)
she isnt over scored aside form the dismount she did a beautiful routine with no visible mistakes, because she got a 6 tenth deduction on this routine! and im sure the judges know what there talking about they dont get amatures for the OLYMPICS!!
I'll never understand why people are so salty when a U.S. gymnast is "over scored". To take the time to catch EVERY deduction possible and essentially route against the girls representing our country, is mind boggling to me. Just appreciate amazing gymnastics...
@stargaze17 i think they took out the double layout cause she got pretty tall (for a gymnast) and that makes it harder cause you're gonna hit the ground sooner cause your body needs to be totally straight.
at the olympics they took off for her bent legs in her giants (which usually judges dont do) and were probably more strict on handstands. these judges were probably more lenient and only took off for the dismount.
@GymMonkeyAz they don't mean that her skills are child like, they mean that the ease in which she performs her skills remind you of a child swinging around because they are so flawlessly executed.
@Elle23345 i agree. like of course i cant do what she does. but i do gymnastics and i know what is looked for in each routine, just like many other people who comment on her videos. like how, in this competition, her bar routine had less flaws than her beam routine because she wobbled a bunch of times. and for this bar routine her dismount was clearly flawed. but despite that, her talent is clear.
It depends on de difficulty of the routine, for example, Nastia's was 7.7, and then the execution is maximum 10, but points are taken out for every mistake. To get the result you have to add de DV and the execution
her start value was something like a 7.7 or 7.9 so seeing as the rest of routine was pretty much flawless its possible the only significant deduction they found was on the landing
I personally got a 7.4 E score without counting any bent arms. Her D score is a 7.7 so I guess she got a 9.4 E score here. I know deductions have changed a little bit and they used to be more lenient but she was always grossly overscored.
@marushk161 Her knees didn't touch the ground, so while it was a really low landing, it isn't a fall. Obviously the judges didn't think so either. In America the judges are a bit biased towards the big stars like Nastia and Shawn, that's kind of the way it is.
i don't understand how you think her scores are inflated if you think her execution is perfect? Are you saying that the start value is to high in your opinion then?
Definitely not worth such a high score... She missed at least half of the handstands, slight leg separation after every pirouette, bad form on her dismount and that huge step.... The layout Gienger is nice tho
i agree. but i think in the olympics they judge harder and the judges there are from different countrys so they might score differently than american judges.
@Elle23345 yes, everyone is saying "I'd like to see you do her routine" but when they do it makes sense. Before you can judge Nastia and point out her flaws, you should be able to preform her bar routine as well as she can.
I do agree that this routine is over-scored... but not by as much as people are making it out. In 2008, more skills were counted toward the d-score, making it possible to get much higher scores than with today's CoP.
No, it does not look like someone playing on a EFFING playground!!! I have never seen anyone do this on a playground.
relaxxxxx they meant she makes it look easy!! its a huge compliment
I understand what they mean to say. Tim just says it so often. STOP already
"PLAYING ON A PLAYGROUND" THAT MAKES ME LAUGH SO MUCH
I wonder if that's what Tim's kids looked like playing on the playground as they are almost adults now
THE ANGER IN THIS IS HILARUOUS
No one knows how good this bar routine is, I mean most of her moves are all D and E scoring elements, those pirouettes are so hard, definately deserved that score!
I miss her gymnastics. She has a killer bar set and such exquisite long lines.💗
Same here.
потому что она РУССКАЯ.
Absolutely!
the fact that she got a 17.1 after that rough dismount speaks volumes
Speaks domestic competition
@@gabrielalmeida647 hahaha
The rest of her routine was basically perfect and that dismount has a high score so even fumbling it a bit would still mean high points. Truly a fantastic routine.
Nastia's Stratospheric level of skill ability and talent is staggering so that she makes a routine most wouldn't even dare to try actually look easy// I think people forget that, she's incredible
The best, the very best, no question, no contest, hands down the best USA UB specialist there as ever been...
I disagree. Her dismount was always absolutely FUCKED. Also, there have been incredible bar workers like Shilese Jones and Madison Kocian who have come after her. Nastia was incredible, but I don't think the best ever.
Wow, I’ve never seen a gymnast get a 17.100. She’s amazing!
I don't get why people think that she should've gotten deductions for "not keeping her feet together during giants." That's done by many gymnasts to avoid hitting the low bar, which would incur 0.5 deductions. Just like Komova, who had to learn the hard way after hitting the low bar with her feet during a giant in the EF in London, which unfortunately costed her the gold. After that, she learned to make sure to separate her legs when her feet approaches the low bar.
+nathaliexlr8 I think it's actually because she would always bend her knees during the giants, which should incur a deduction.
Shana Liu I don't see bent knees...Maybe you could comment a time in this video because I didn't catch any
+Shana Liu she doesn't bend her knees their so straight that they look bent true stroie lol Im not lying
She's doing the method called "Russian tap". No way would she she doing this way if she was only getting hit hard with deductions. She's doing it correctly.
It's not a deduction that she separates her legs when she swings on the high bar. She separates them to avoid getting deduction actually. If she didn't separate them she'd hit the lower bar and that's a big deduction.
Jasmine Simmons its not. You can straddle you legs if your to tall or if you prefer it over piking.
namjoon’s ostrich neck why do i see you on every video😂
Victoria Kessova every gymnastics video you mean? It’s because it’s my favorite sport maybe? Lol
Ashley Yoon exactly yes, that’s what I was saying. For a gymnast, she was “tall” so that’s why she did that with her feet. Maybe the judges mistook it and called it a deduction when it really wasn’t.
namjoon’s ostrich neck What IS a deduction is bending your legs past the bar. Straddle giants are fair game, but bending your legs isn't allowed
It is funny that she got a 17.1 with a dismount like this and nowadays a gymnast with a nearly perfect routine isn't even in the 16s.
Minami Suzuki Scoring systems change all the time. In 2000 a 9.8 routine was worth a 9.6 a year later- hence they changed the scoring system to one with no ceiling.
cheyenneoc Thank you for saying that! Whenever I watch clips from the 2008 Olympic cycle I keep wondering why the scores average a full point higher on 3 of the events. You comment is the first explanation I've found.
Minami Suzuki You don't have to compare her difficulty with today's gymnasts. All three of China's UB workers had routines that could/should have beaten her. Especially He Kexin(who did) and Yilin(who was ripped off)...
...with easier shorter routines and hardly a toe pointe😒
Vette gaddia well i don't see why people say yilin was ripped off. I mean nastia had a higher d score. Moreover the olympics took place in china itself so i mean you wouldn't be a against ure own countrys gymnast.
Those handstands were incredible. Her lines will never be duplicated
Viktoria komova has similarly graceful lines. But yah, Nastia's is just one of a kind.
17.1 score holy shit
ikr
7.7
9.4
Dismount: 0.1 legs apart 0.3 low chest 0.3 step = 0.7
Just on the dismount
I'm confused
Judging is dumb at nationals, realistically there would've been 0.1 off for flexed feet, 0.3 for the cow boy, 0.3 for the low landing, and 0.5 for the step. I literally just found double the deductions of what the judges found.
***** They can't do that, that's even worst, they have to deduct all, what they can do is to take a small deduction for each mistake.
Jose Nguyen Usually at US events, the gymnasts are given a few extra tenths for doing difficult skills (usually 0.2-.0.4). This is why their scores are inflated.
Rowan Smith No, that's only on the men's side and it goes in the D score, not E
I KNOW RIGHTTT some of here handstands were short
Stunning. Talent and poise, beauty and strength. Gymnastics is the temple of youth.
Wow! That was a great bar routine. I'm a gymnast competing Xcel Gold and I hope I'll be able to do all the amazing skills Nastia Liukin and other gymnasts can do!😊
Still one of the most (if not THE most) beautiful pak salto ever...
Are you serious? Nastia has one of the worst pak saltos I've ever seen from a top bar worker.
@@shushunovafan4301clock it
those perfect handstands !
that form and those legs UGHHH perfection just the chefs kiss 🤌
I don't think any kid on the play ground looks like this. What are you smoking Tim?
"Tell me this doesn't look like a kid playing on the playground, just flying around"
Um, okay. This doesn't look like a kid playing on the playground, Tim.
@@happysoph023 😂🤣😂😂😂
@@happysoph023 Nailed it
Nastia was one of my favorites,Shannon Miller's been #1 in my book! Been following Women's Gymnastics since the days of Mary Lou Retton...can't wait for this year's Olympics...I'm sure our U.S. team will represent well,they always do! 💯👏👍♥️
She’s so elegant in her movements!
Everything she does she do it with grace and elegance I love her sm🥰🥰🥰
For me definitely the best athlete on uneven bars!
Hi! Can you tell me the level of difficulty during this season as compared to how it will be scored this season? Thanks
I'll never forget her score 17.1.. no one scores high like that even comparing it to this years code of points. She is perfection!!
Her swing is gorgeous. So effortless.
As many others have pointed out, she has to separate her legs to avoid hitting the low bar, and that doesn't incur a deduction (although the bent knees on the giants does). Elfi still made an incorrect comment, because she separates her legs every time she does a cast.
Her Pak salto was perfect in this routine!
I love Nastia luikin and Shawn johnson
Nastia has amazing UB routine!
Shawn has the Power tumbling
The bent knees on the giants is a bail tap, it has become a somewhat acceptable techniques used by taller gymnast. The FIG bar settings don't change, so you have to come up with different techniques to accommodate different body types.
@gymnasticluver13 The double layout was really pretty. Do you know if the new dismont added to her difficulty? That might have been a factor... Idk.
Simone has never gotten a score that high before😬
@Mrmartinnico It's a double-front, half out. If she did a double front, she'd end up facing the bars, but she does a half-twist in the final salto that ends her up facing away from the bars.
how does she do the one arm full turn?? what grip does she use? I just can't picture it in my mind without her arm snapping in half! lol :) she must use a mixed grip but i can't see it...
How did this get a higher score than day 1 with that dismount?
pretty sure cause she hit all those handstands and everything else. i’m not the best gymnastics analyzer lol
Does anyone know any good gymnastics RUclips channels I could watch? Thhanks
She is absolutely gorgeous on this! But when I saw the 17.1 score, I was skeptical, but then I saw somebody write that this would be a 15.666 in the new code of points and that made more sense. Great routine though.
the judges know EXACTLY what to look for. they have wayyy more experience of judging than any commenter will ever have... she wasn't over scored. :)
What is wrong with him and the playground thing ?
That Pak was ridiculously overarched.
no such thing
+mrsjojo xoxo Not for deductions, but if you believe in avoiding a spinal injury it is. And probably a good reason she never connected anything out of it.
@octoberbabycheer i like this dismount despite the flexed feet. I think it's cool. it's sort of a "fierce" finish instead of the "elegant" finish you seem to prefer. i guess it's just a matter of taste.
why she faltered with her dismount? after she came out of the tucked position her chest was down for too long then when she landed she was bent over at the hips, forcing her to walk forward to gain balance. if she had brought her chest up sooner when she got out of the tuck she wouldve stuck it.
Nastia looks so graceful!
That man was Valeri Liukin, her dad and coach. What he was doing was "spotting" so basically if she looked like she might miss the bar on the release move he'd either catch her or help her fall onto the mats without hurting herself. ;D he's awesome at spotting!
This is an amzaing routine. She is beautiful on bars!
she did the same difficulty in the Olympics, stuck her landing, did great connections and got a lower score.
It was 7.7 with the old code of points but it changed in 2009 (?) and I thought it was lower now. If she performed this exact same routine right now, her D score would be lower right?
Way over scored! 9.4 execution . . . Not a chance! The dismount alone was at least .5 off are they saying she basically no other mistake (I can see bent legs and missed handstands and I'm no expert)
That was cool...Strength and agility on display. Thanks.......
she isnt over scored aside form the dismount she did a beautiful routine with no visible mistakes, because she got a 6 tenth deduction on this routine! and im sure the judges know what there talking about they dont get amatures for the OLYMPICS!!
I'll never understand why people are so salty when a U.S. gymnast is "over scored". To take the time to catch EVERY deduction possible and essentially route against the girls representing our country, is mind boggling to me. Just appreciate amazing gymnastics...
17.100 and she took a huge step on the dismount....she's unbelievable
amazing, her routine was so smooth. agree?
I have no idea how the scores work, but her movements are so fluid. *•*
The queen 👸🏼
Her handstands are spot on!!
When she goes from the high bar to the low bar hands first without twisting. What is the name of that skill?
yeah it would be because in the new code of points, only 8 skills count towards the difficulty score. in 2008, 10 skills counted
Omg she is AMAZING!!!!!
I want to do that!
guys stop hating she definetly deserves what she got she was amazing
@stargaze17 i think they took out the double layout cause she got pretty tall (for a gymnast) and that makes it harder cause you're gonna hit the ground sooner cause your body needs to be totally straight.
How does she get such a high score when her legs separate so much? I know that it isn't easy but I was just wondering.
I am not gymnast but there legs, are they supposed to bend like that in the air?
Nadia comaneci is the Queen
I loved her bars when she was in her prime
She is the best gymnast everr!
She is amazing!
Nadia comaneci is the Best of all time
at the olympics they took off for her bent legs in her giants (which usually judges dont do) and were probably more strict on handstands. these judges were probably more lenient and only took off for the dismount.
@GymMonkeyAz they don't mean that her skills are child like, they mean that the ease in which she performs her skills remind you of a child swinging around because they are so flawlessly executed.
@cottoncandygirl412 iits not that, its that less shows. it doesnt mean shes less powerful or anything. Oh and shes taller
Oh em geee! She is amazing
Why are her thumbs under the bar? I was taught never to do that :$ apparently it's dangerous. pLease help me understand?!
You make a full revolution around the bar.
0:29 That was one of the nicest and quickest pirouettes I saw Nastia do. She looks like one of the Chinese gymnasts!
@Elle23345 i agree. like of course i cant do what she does. but i do gymnastics and i know what is looked for in each routine, just like many other people who comment on her videos. like how, in this competition, her bar routine had less flaws than her beam routine because she wobbled a bunch of times. and for this bar routine her dismount was clearly flawed. but despite that, her talent is clear.
Nastia is awesome!!! Will she compete in the next olympics???
It depends on de difficulty of the routine, for example, Nastia's was 7.7, and then the execution is maximum 10, but points are taken out for every mistake. To get the result you have to add de DV and the execution
i wish she would of changed the dismount cause her whole bars is beautiful if she changed her dismount she could of getting the gold in ef in beijing
What's the D score under the new code of points?
I LOVE NASTIA!
nastia and shawn are my idols
This is really cool. Bars looks like fun
her start value was something like a 7.7 or 7.9 so seeing as the rest of routine was pretty much flawless its possible the only significant deduction they found was on the landing
I personally got a 7.4 E score without counting any bent arms. Her D score is a 7.7 so I guess she got a 9.4 E score here. I know deductions have changed a little bit and they used to be more lenient but she was always grossly overscored.
This routine is low 8's E-score at worst, with the most pedantic kind of judging, and mostly because of deductions on the dismount, you need to stop.
@marushk161 Her knees didn't touch the ground, so while it was a really low landing, it isn't a fall. Obviously the judges didn't think so either. In America the judges are a bit biased towards the big stars like Nastia and Shawn, that's kind of the way it is.
How did THIS get a 17.1 but other nearly perfect routines get a 15 of lower?
Sam Marotto because now there is a new scoring system. Before there was a different easy scoring system, but now it's all complicated and screwed up.
i don't understand how you think her scores are inflated if you think her execution is perfect? Are you saying that the start value is to high in your opinion then?
the dismount is a double front right ?
Can someone tell me the names of her release moves plzz
Definitely not worth such a high score... She missed at least half of the handstands, slight leg separation after every pirouette, bad form on her dismount and that huge step.... The layout Gienger is nice tho
@sweetmeggiepie which is why she won the AA in the olympics... right...
@THEpozzle
there were more deductions in the routine, remember your score isnt just based on your landing!
her legs are so long for a gymnast
Her mum was a rhythmic gymnast:) She has her lines
@girlwiththebows Its because here start value is like a 17.500. So it wasn't as much to the score
Does anybody know if she's if she supported her other fellow gymnast during this tough time they're going to right now with Larry
i agree. but i think in the olympics they judge harder and the judges there are from different countrys so they might score differently than american judges.
why is it scored in the teens? i thought 10 was the highest?
That was AMAZING Nastia
Just because you're a big fan doesn't mean this was a pitch perfect routine.
@Elle23345 yes, everyone is saying "I'd like to see you do her routine" but when they do it makes sense. Before you can judge Nastia and point out her flaws, you should be able to preform her bar routine as well as she can.
I do agree that this routine is over-scored... but not by as much as people are making it out. In 2008, more skills were counted toward the d-score, making it possible to get much higher scores than with today's CoP.