That's Gillian Anderson? Excuse me while I take a moment to add a name to the list of actors who inhabit a role so well that you can't recognize the actor but intimately know who they are portraying.
I would have been so terrified to take that role after Meryl but she was amazing. Im no fan of her politics but she was not called the iron lady lightly.
Gillian Anderson in my unpopular opinion here did a better job at playing Margaret, Thatcher than did Meryl Streep look I love Meryl Streep I love what she’s done in this industry. I think she deserves her career entirely and the success that it gave her, but Gillian Anderson. Really took this role by the rains. There were moments where you could feel the secondhand embarrassment for this person she was playing you could see what she wanted just by her facial expressions and I feel like Meryl Streep’s performance was very one-sided while Gillian performance was her kind of showing different way that Margaret behaved to different people you know there’s a saying that’s like you’re emotions are valid, but your actions aren’t and it’s like Gillian showed the emotion and then the executed action and the behavioral change in the different people that had to put up with the actions created by her emotions and thoughts. While Meryl Streep was simply just trying to portray the character in the way, the media saw her and the people around her, viewed her and that’s very different because while it was still good, it doesn’t show the behavior of it. That’s created by emotions and driven determination that can often lead to a persons demise.
Lol no. Just no. She didn't look like Thatcher, she didn't sound like Thatcher, and, most obviously, she didn't act like Thatcher. Gillian should have stuck to chasing aliens - at least she did that halfway convincingly.
@@secretmagic331 Which is why we should all aim to work less and not force each other to work more to build our "character". What good is character and independence if you work yourself to death before enjoying it? 😅 I remember reading that when Thatcher died, the most played song in England was ding dong the witch is dead 🤣
@@Tony-Andersonthatcher was great. Made britain much better.. as far as ur comment thi it reminds me of when ginsburg said she would outlast trump. She croaked lmao, now conservatives own the court in america for the next generation 😂
@@Tony-Anderson If it weren't for Thatcher, the country would have been dead. The idea of equating effectiveness with popularity is why democracy is losing so much credibility.
Thing is I never knrw he had money, I honestly just thought the story was about a man helping another man he wasn't supposed to help....something about one being a Getile or something like that
@@TheOblake2The genius of the parable is that Samaritans were looked down upon by the Jews at the time; they were thought of us “half-breeds.” So the phrase “Good Samaritan” was essentially an oxymoron. But Jesus makes a Samaritan the hero of the story and just about everyone else a villain for refusing to help. The story isn’t really about the Samaritan at all, it was to make a larger point to the disciples about what really matters - not where someone comes from but by how they choose to live their life and how they treat others. All of that said…yes, he did also have money. :)
Maybe a better way to put it (and more sympathetic sounding) is: He had the ability as well. In case a person is helped by material goods, yes, that ability is derived from money, as was the case in the parable of the good Samaritan. And I think it's absolutely right, before you can help others, you need to make sure you have the means to help. It sthe first rule emergency responders learn: Care for your own safety first, or you will become an emergency yourself. You need a functioning body to help. Same with the economy: If your economy runs badly, no social program will save the poor because you cannot pay for any social programs
@@An0niem4 thats actually a great point. I actually reread the parable of the good samaritan particularly the part that apart from mending the injuries of the victim and took him to an inn, he paid for the persons lodging and treatment in advance for the entire duration of his recovery and then went further to say if the money he left was short they can charge him later for the balance once he comes back. The Samaritan DID have money, lots of it.
As someone who in the 90s, like many chaps my age, had a poster of Gillian Anderson in a revealing outfit on their wall this stirs up some confusing feelings.
I'm a Yank but I would be a Tory if I were British! And Gillian looks good naked, but she looks even better nicely dressed! That outfit and that hair are sexier than Hell!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would have paid serious money to see the real Margaret Thatcher naked!
99% of British don’t speak like this, but I know what you mean. The posh tend to use verbose vocabularies and condescension to intimidate their opposition.
I'm sorry to tell you most of us don't talk like this, as amazing and dignified that would be. Certainly better than going around saying things like "bruv" or "innit". It makes us seem incompetent.
Yeah you can. Anderson has never been great with British accents for as much as she sees herself as English, she's really not. That accent is someone imitating Margaret Thatcher.
Gillian Anderson was absolutely breathtaking in her portrayal of Margaret Thatcher. I was even more impressed by her performance in "The Crown", than by Meryl Streep's performance in "The Iron Lady".
The problem with people who went through a Cinderella story is that they think everyone else can do the same. The reality is that for every one person that makes it, there are a thousand who do not. It is not just work but be lucky to get an opportunity and see it for what it is. The poor will always be with us or there would be no one rich.
Their own luck is the one factor that successful people are never able to see. All they see is "I worked hard, and I succeded. Therefore, anyone who works hard will succeed as much as I have. If someone is poor and/or unsuccessful, that must mean that they refuse to work hard and are lazy, and thus have only themselves to blame" Noone is saying you didn't work insanely hard, but you were also very lucky. You were lucky in that the choices you made turned out to be the right ones. You were lucky that the gambles you took worked out in your favour. When it boiled down to chance, you came out on top, while a much larger group of people didn't.
@@hallowen hard work makes your own luck, thatcher would never have been prime minister if she just sat around all day waiting for a government check, no matter how "lucky" she was....
@@mudkatt2003 that right there is the fallacy of the conservative argument: conflating "anyone" with "everyone". It's true that, through hard work, "anyone" can succeed, but "everyone" can't. For every one person who works hard and succeeds, there are ten who work just as hard and ultimately never succeed. Luck is *always* a factor, and failing to recognize that is a mistake a lot of successful people make.
@@hallowen please pray tell, how was margaret thatcher "lucky"? how is her story and upbringing any different than any other british woman of her time? why didn't all the other women become prime minister? gee, I wonder if her God given talents and fanataical determination had anything to do with it. ffs
@@mudkatt2003 because they all cant be? The problem with your argument is everyone can be everything. You people like to act as if everyone who doesnt succeed just wasnt good enough and its bullshit. Take something like retail. Theres only one store manager. Everyone cannot succeed and move up and become the manager. No matter how talented or hard working theres not enough of those jobs. Many women could have been as smart and hardworking as margaret thatcher but there isnt a prime minister position for them all or enough time for them all to get a chance to be one. Use some damn logic
It's easy to be compassionate with other people's money. The government should provide everyone with everything they need all the time, thats compassion. But the world doesn't work like that. You need to rob Peter to pay Paul, and Her Majesty in this case, as compassionate as she was, was not the one getting robbed.
@@bengoacher4455 It reminds me of a show called The Gold (2023), set in the '80s, it lauds the independent financial spirit of the time including how so many of low-birth could rise up whilst attempting to criticise that very idea. It confused me.
@@bengoacher4455 it's a shame how greedy society has become since the deregulated and predatory capitalism of the '80s. conservatives like the pretend that it simply has to be this way. how coincidental. it has to be the way that allows the rich to extract record profits, and the poor to continue to be miserable. all the while they forget that there is very little point in having an organised society at all if it is necessary that it fails a significant portion when it comes to basics like owning a home, access to dentistry etc. these are all things that profit comes before. what a hellscape
@@keir92if you tax corporations they go offshore, moreso now than ever with globalization being so readily available to the ruling class. Poor people don’t get helped by taking away rich people’s options, they usually just lose their job. :)
Maggie here fails to mention that part of her “cold balance sheet calculation” was her and her husband’s massive conflict of interest in their business interests in South Africa.
Spot thinking of 5 amazing performances: Tom Hanks in Gump; Gary Oldham in Darkest Hour; Bruno Ganz in Downfall; R Fienes in the List and Ms Anderson here in The Crown.
@@James7977-ge3oi Should it be capitalized? It makes no sense to capitalize a regular noun. I didn't say you're lazy though but you got triggered like a little girl. No wonder you wrote "the list". Do you also listen to "the mode?" with a capital M of course.
For those of you who don't know, Mark Thatcher, the Iron Lady's "favorite son", had "business" in taking down native African governments with mercenary forces. He was plotting to overthrow the recently independent government of Equatorial Guinea from South Africa until he was caught.
Now I have to research but before I do, this south African government was the corrupt one that didn't let women choose to do well anything. Let religion run them rather than democracy and if I'm not mistaken Mandela had a run in with as well
While true, it’s misleading to say that in the context of this clip is set in 1986, when he was involved in building a university in Oman, and probably some arms deals (selling British arms to Saudi Arabia). In 1987 he moved to the US and got involved in the car industry for a decade, before moving to South Africa because he’d fudged his US taxes. He got involved in the coup in 2004. I don’t think he’d had much to do with South Africa at all when this clip is set, and it implies a conflict of interest that didn’t exist (while overlooking the one that did exist with Saudi Arabia).
And in your mind that's... bad? You should talk to my buddy who is from Uganda. A lot of people in Africa wish the Europeans were still in charge because things were much better than they are now.
@@theresabowers5291That attitude works if you want to foster self-reliance and prosperity, which, in turn, leads to voluntary giving. So spare us your pop psychology armchair analysis.
@@theresabowers5291 Don't be silly. Her point was he was able to help because he had money. Nothing to do with being remembered. Remembering you is what other people do. It's not something you do to yourself.
@@patricksachs3655 A poor person who shared their last piece of bread is far more charitable than a rich person who shares some small percentage of his wealth.
Boy, those two did not get along, did they? It's interesting that this was the day before Andy and Fergie's wedding. I was in London that day, and the next day I was in the crowd outside the palace to cheer them on and receive the royal waves.
How would the Good Samaritan been able to help if he had no money? He paid for the injured, beaten, robbed man to stay at an inn and heal. If the Good Samaritan had no money, he may well have been able to bind up the man’s wounds, but the beaten man with no money would have been left beside the road with no way of paying for lodging, food, and would have been susceptible to further attacks by other people or to rot in the elements. The analogy is pretty good.
This is what too many outside Britain don't understand, the monarch only has power in theory, in practice they have none. The Prime Minister is elected by the people, they have a mandate, the monarch does not. Alas it was also a lesson Thatcher ultimately forgot with the Poll Tax. She began to think of herself as untouchable, like a monarch. Lost public support and was booted out.
"This is what too many outside Britain don't understand, the monarch only has power in theory, in practice they have none" That is untrue. They don't wield power directly over the legislative. That doesn't mean they have no influence. The US president similarly has no direct power over the legislative, no one would think they were powerless. The current King has written hundreds of letters to government ministers-do you honestly think he has no influence?
Thatcher was right here, ultimately. The sovereign does not have the right to interfere with the people’s government. Was fun to watch this exchange b/w two giants
I heard from somewhere she actually didn't say anything about the prime Minister, It's the queen's secretary who don't like her,so he put those word in the queen's mouth,and she was very angry about that.
The off hand mention of her corrupt son’s South African dealings. Thatcher was fine with corruption where it could gain something for her children, her son.
This woman SLAYED this role. Extremely convincing portrayal from every single perspective. Her looks, stature, hair, voice, you name it. Margaret Thatcher is what I for one hope as to what our first female POTUS would ever be here at home.
A great insight on the Media's role in manipulating people with "unnamed sources" close to someone, when in reality they are intentional direct messages from that person.
So what is the impact of thatcher son being invested in South Africa? Does that mean thatcher is so cold blooded that she placed sanctions on south Africa knowing it would hurt her own child's interests? Or is it implying that she didn't support The queen's want of sanctions on south Africa bc her son had business interests there?
Wow, this is superb acting by Gillian Anderson. No one has played Margaret Thatcher better than Gillian Anderson. Not to take anything away from Meryl Streep but Gillian Anderson captured Margaret Thatcher’s spirit and mannerisms with pure accuracy.
Mrs Thatcher would not have been described better than a woman's point of view while demonstrating against her: She took away all our sense of solidarity, our responsibility towards workers and the financially weaker in this country.
Fantastic actresses both but they don’t really capture either lady. Both had far warmer personalities than comes across here. Thatcher often had a slight twinkle when she spoke. These ladies weren’t ‘iron’ they were human, mothers, and yes, leaders
And it was clear that the long overdue things she did WOULD be divisive and painful in the short run.. which is why nobody before her had the courage to step up and DO it and take the years-long blast of furious intensely personal hatred. Thatcher had more ...guts... than the entire hundreds or thousands-strong political establishment put together. And she was vindicated by Labour not undoing what she did but instead just accepting it and moving forward
This was actually a stage play long before The Crown.. in theatre with Her Majesty played by Helen Mirren, titled "The Audience". It was originally a comedy script with much laughter, until Peter Morgan brought it into The Crown.
He had made most of his money on his own by then. By 1919 he had his own grocery shop and by 1923 he opened a second one. He became major of the small town of Grantham in 1945.
Gillian Anderson won that bloody Emmy for every bloody second of her performance as Margaret Thatcher. She was just mindblowing!
She Gary Oldman’d into the role, I couldn’t believe it was her after I was blown away by the Thatcher scenes and looked up who it was
SHOULD have!! She was BRILLIANT!! i never imagined she could pull that off from watching the X-Files
It's totally up there with Meryl streep perfomance.
meryl was garbo honey, bow down to GA @@Luiseut59
That's Gillian Anderson?
Excuse me while I take a moment to add a name to the list of actors who inhabit a role so well that you can't recognize the actor but intimately know who they are portraying.
Damn. The voice, the intonation. Gillian absolutely killed it.
I would have been so terrified to take that role after Meryl but she was amazing. Im no fan of her politics but she was not called the iron lady lightly.
This was extraordinary!!!
Method acting is demonic possession lite.
Su voz se parece mucho a Margaret
Almost certainly not her voice.
Gillian Anderson in my unpopular opinion here did a better job at playing Margaret, Thatcher than did Meryl Streep look I love Meryl Streep I love what she’s done in this industry. I think she deserves her career entirely and the success that it gave her, but Gillian Anderson. Really took this role by the rains. There were moments where you could feel the secondhand embarrassment for this person she was playing you could see what she wanted just by her facial expressions and I feel like Meryl Streep’s performance was very one-sided while Gillian performance was her kind of showing different way that Margaret behaved to different people you know there’s a saying that’s like you’re emotions are valid, but your actions aren’t and it’s like Gillian showed the emotion and then the executed action and the behavioral change in the different people that had to put up with the actions created by her emotions and thoughts. While Meryl Streep was simply just trying to portray the character in the way, the media saw her and the people around her, viewed her and that’s very different because while it was still good, it doesn’t show the behavior of it. That’s created by emotions and driven determination that can often lead to a persons demise.
She did a better job than Thatcher
But not like Steve Nallon.
You're absolutely right. Streep stunk
Nah. This is just better written role.
Lol no. Just no. She didn't look like Thatcher, she didn't sound like Thatcher, and, most obviously, she didn't act like Thatcher. Gillian should have stuck to chasing aliens - at least she did that halfway convincingly.
that pause before "I am... Ma'am" was everything, it was almost like she was trying to say "so listen to me little girl..." 🤣 Gillian ATE this role
Yes she did!
“He’s a businessman now, in the Middle East mostly and…South Africa”
“…….Of course”
The DELIVERY
Good grief, MT was one horrible politician.
@@Ramy-ql3trwho gets your vote then?
@@Ramy-ql3tr ???
@@Ramy-ql3tr And you really have no idea you're DAF?
@@Jcoke2201 he means Margaret Thatcher.
This is simply a masterclass in acting by two superb actresses, truly incredible job ✌️
Who cares? So irrelevant in this exchange
@@tybaltyrant1 Highly relevant. The power play and the tension are palpable.
It's the writing.
@@Sirharryflash82 Well said. It's the writing and the lights and the chemistry and the director and... well I guess it all comes together 😅😅🎉🎉
oh yes. I oversee masterclasses everyday and I can tell you this is a masterclass. Truly cheese.
These two actors pull you into the room and hold you there until the final curtsy. Brava to both Ms. Anderson and Ms. Colman.
Actresses.
Brave (the plural of brava)!
"Who is the senior?"
"I am"
"And who do you think will outlive the other?"
"..."
"the one who works less, Ma'am"
@@secretmagic331 Which is why we should all aim to work less and not force each other to work more to build our "character". What good is character and independence if you work yourself to death before enjoying it? 😅 I remember reading that when Thatcher died, the most played song in England was ding dong the witch is dead 🤣
@@Tony-Andersonthatcher was great. Made britain much better..
as far as ur comment thi it reminds me of when ginsburg said she would outlast trump. She croaked lmao, now conservatives own the court in america for the next generation 😂
@@Tony-AndersonPeople with daddy's money would disagree.
@@Tony-Anderson If it weren't for Thatcher, the country would have been dead. The idea of equating effectiveness with popularity is why democracy is losing so much credibility.
Gillian Anderson channeled her inner Iron Lady to perfection. After the director yelled "Cut!", I'm sure even Olivia Coleman shouted "Bravo!"
"No one remembers the Good Samaritan if he only had good intentions, he had money as well"
Damn, that's cold blooded
But right...;)
Thing is I never knrw he had money, I honestly just thought the story was about a man helping another man he wasn't supposed to help....something about one being a Getile or something like that
@@TheOblake2The genius of the parable is that Samaritans were looked down upon by the Jews at the time; they were thought of us “half-breeds.” So the phrase “Good Samaritan” was essentially an oxymoron. But Jesus makes a Samaritan the hero of the story and just about everyone else a villain for refusing to help. The story isn’t really about the Samaritan at all, it was to make a larger point to the disciples about what really matters - not where someone comes from but by how they choose to live their life and how they treat others. All of that said…yes, he did also have money. :)
Maybe a better way to put it (and more sympathetic sounding) is: He had the ability as well. In case a person is helped by material goods, yes, that ability is derived from money, as was the case in the parable of the good Samaritan.
And I think it's absolutely right, before you can help others, you need to make sure you have the means to help. It sthe first rule emergency responders learn: Care for your own safety first, or you will become an emergency yourself. You need a functioning body to help. Same with the economy: If your economy runs badly, no social program will save the poor because you cannot pay for any social programs
@@An0niem4 thats actually a great point. I actually reread the parable of the good samaritan particularly the part that apart from mending the injuries of the victim and took him to an inn, he paid for the persons lodging and treatment in advance for the entire duration of his recovery and then went further to say if the money he left was short they can charge him later for the balance once he comes back.
The Samaritan DID have money, lots of it.
Love the final bit about her sons business in South Africa, as if to say “this ain’t personal… trust me…
As someone who in the 90s, like many chaps my age, had a poster of Gillian Anderson in a revealing outfit on their wall this stirs up some confusing feelings.
😁😁😂😂😂😂😁😁
Not if you're a Tory
Well she is playing a 60-something woman here of course
Margaret Thatcher naked on a cold day!
Margaret Thatcher naked on a cold day!
Margaret Thatcher naked on a cold day!
I'm a Yank but I would be a Tory if I were British! And Gillian looks good naked, but she looks even better nicely dressed! That outfit and that hair are sexier than Hell!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would have paid serious money to see the real Margaret Thatcher naked!
My God, if you turn away and listen it sends shivers through you . Like hearing Maggie in person.
The queen's eye roll at 0:26 always makes me chuckle. It's like she's thinking, "what now?".
That eye roll was everything
Yep . . . non-verbal communication . . . you can't beat it!
I always admired the way the British talk.
99% of British don’t speak like this, but I know what you mean. The posh tend to use verbose vocabularies and condescension to intimidate their opposition.
I'm sorry to tell you most of us don't talk like this, as amazing and dignified that would be. Certainly better than going around saying things like "bruv" or "innit". It makes us seem incompetent.
oi blody el govnah wot yew on about?
Nah bro this is just London
we here in englund have always relished the way you yanks type words goodly! cheers bruv!
Gillian Anderson's incredible acting blew me away.
This show has some of the best acting I've ever seen.
🤭.
The parallel being drawn here with Winston is uncanny. It's like poetry, it rhymes.
Star Wars reference?
@@fertderto5594 This guy gets it.
@@connarcomstock161 What's wrong with your faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace?
What parallel with Winston, out of curiosity?
You can’t see Agent Scully here, not even one bit. That’s a mark of a good actor, defined by the role, not by their own image.
she's great, but the makeup department, the costume, the props, the location - they are fundamental to the performance.
Yeah you can. Anderson has never been great with British accents for as much as she sees herself as English, she's really not. That accent is someone imitating Margaret Thatcher.
Incredible, Gillian even sounds like her!
I've watched this way too many times but I still can't get enough! Brilliant acting!
Gillian Anderson was absolutely breathtaking in her portrayal of Margaret Thatcher. I was even more impressed by her performance in "The Crown", than by Meryl Streep's performance in "The Iron Lady".
She sounded like she needed an inhaler. Horrid
Now this is how you read a person with class and witt! The Brits sure know how to go for the juggler with words!
Jugular, as in, the jugular vein. not 'juggler'.
"Crusty jugglers..."
@@anonUKYES!
The poor bloke ! What did the miserable chap do to deserve having been had at !?…Was he a sort of failed court jester ?
@@albertarthurparsnips5141 Benny Hill did a good bit about a Royal Jester that was beheaded by the King.
That was not Gillian Anderson. That was Margaret Thatcher.
If this interaction was just a few centuries earlier, someone would’ve lost his head. Actually, many would’ve lost their heads.
And it happened both ways. King Charles I lost his. Countless others who defied the sovereign lost theirs
I don't think so, most British/English monarchs couldn't just arbitrarily execute powerful influential ministers, regardless of the era
The problem with people who went through a Cinderella story is that they think everyone else can do the same. The reality is that for every one person that makes it, there are a thousand who do not. It is not just work but be lucky to get an opportunity and see it for what it is. The poor will always be with us or there would be no one rich.
Their own luck is the one factor that successful people are never able to see. All they see is "I worked hard, and I succeded. Therefore, anyone who works hard will succeed as much as I have. If someone is poor and/or unsuccessful, that must mean that they refuse to work hard and are lazy, and thus have only themselves to blame"
Noone is saying you didn't work insanely hard, but you were also very lucky. You were lucky in that the choices you made turned out to be the right ones. You were lucky that the gambles you took worked out in your favour. When it boiled down to chance, you came out on top, while a much larger group of people didn't.
@@hallowen hard work makes your own luck, thatcher would never have been prime minister if she just sat around all day waiting for a government check, no matter how "lucky" she was....
@@mudkatt2003 that right there is the fallacy of the conservative argument: conflating "anyone" with "everyone". It's true that, through hard work, "anyone" can succeed, but "everyone" can't. For every one person who works hard and succeeds, there are ten who work just as hard and ultimately never succeed. Luck is *always* a factor, and failing to recognize that is a mistake a lot of successful people make.
@@hallowen please pray tell, how was margaret thatcher "lucky"? how is her story and upbringing any different than any other british woman of her time? why didn't all the other women become prime minister? gee, I wonder if her God given talents and fanataical determination had anything to do with it. ffs
@@mudkatt2003 because they all cant be? The problem with your argument is everyone can be everything. You people like to act as if everyone who doesnt succeed just wasnt good enough and its bullshit. Take something like retail. Theres only one store manager. Everyone cannot succeed and move up and become the manager. No matter how talented or hard working theres not enough of those jobs. Many women could have been as smart and hardworking as margaret thatcher but there isnt a prime minister position for them all or enough time for them all to get a chance to be one. Use some damn logic
Go Gillian! Phenomenal job right thr, very believable. 🎉👏👏👏👏👏
It's that dissmisal of the 'really?' That gets me...she was just saying she likes the Queens compassion because it's the right thing to say.
It's easy to be compassionate with other people's money. The government should provide everyone with everything they need all the time, thats compassion. But the world doesn't work like that. You need to rob Peter to pay Paul, and Her Majesty in this case, as compassionate as she was, was not the one getting robbed.
@@bengoacher4455 It reminds me of a show called The Gold (2023), set in the '80s, it lauds the independent financial spirit of the time including how so many of low-birth could rise up whilst attempting to criticise that very idea. It confused me.
@@bengoacher4455 it's a shame how greedy society has become since the deregulated and predatory capitalism of the '80s. conservatives like the pretend that it simply has to be this way. how coincidental. it has to be the way that allows the rich to extract record profits, and the poor to continue to be miserable. all the while they forget that there is very little point in having an organised society at all if it is necessary that it fails a significant portion when it comes to basics like owning a home, access to dentistry etc. these are all things that profit comes before. what a hellscape
@@keir92if you tax corporations they go offshore, moreso now than ever with globalization being so readily available to the ruling class. Poor people don’t get helped by taking away rich people’s options, they usually just lose their job. :)
Gillian anderson nailed it as thatcher
why Otis's mom and Nick's mom are arguing?
lmao
😂😂😂 brilliant
I died laughing 💀💀💀💀
Otis' Mom and Nick's Mom would probably have a grand time together. They each had failed marriages to men who weren't the greatest Dad's....
@@maestroclassico5801who is nick?
That slight moment of silence really bought in all that tension.
What a two great actresses 🎉
No, one’s a great actress and the other one tries to be
Lmao the eye roll at 0:27 XD
It's the eye roll for me
😂😂😂
"This is a monologue, your majesty. Perhaps you misunderstood."
Maggie here fails to mention that part of her “cold balance sheet calculation” was her and her husband’s massive conflict of interest in their business interests in South Africa.
That was a clash of two of the greatest actresses! And yes, Gillian Anderson won the Emmy because of that scene!
Brendan Fraser has an Oscar. The world has gone insane.
Can you imagine being a cameraman going to work and not know that you’re about to witness live action of true genuine acting!
Spot thinking of 5 amazing performances: Tom Hanks in Gump; Gary Oldham in Darkest Hour; Bruno Ganz in Downfall; R Fienes in the List and Ms Anderson here in The Crown.
Is Schindler's list actually referred to as "the list"? I find it so lazy
@@dariusus9870 I found it so lazy that you didn’t capitalize the word “list” following the word “ Schindler’s”.
@@James7977-ge3oi Should it be capitalized? It makes no sense to capitalize a regular noun. I didn't say you're lazy though but you got triggered like a little girl. No wonder you wrote "the list". Do you also listen to "the mode?" with a capital M of course.
@@dariusus9870…Depeche Mode?
I found his whole list lazy as all are White!
For those of you who don't know, Mark Thatcher, the Iron Lady's "favorite son", had "business" in taking down native African governments with mercenary forces. He was plotting to overthrow the recently independent government of Equatorial Guinea from South Africa until he was caught.
Proper lad
Now I have to research but before I do, this south African government was the corrupt one that didn't let women choose to do well anything. Let religion run them rather than democracy and if I'm not mistaken Mandela had a run in with as well
While true, it’s misleading to say that in the context of this clip is set in 1986, when he was involved in building a university in Oman, and probably some arms deals (selling British arms to Saudi Arabia).
In 1987 he moved to the US and got involved in the car industry for a decade, before moving to South Africa because he’d fudged his US taxes.
He got involved in the coup in 2004.
I don’t think he’d had much to do with South Africa at all when this clip is set, and it implies a conflict of interest that didn’t exist (while overlooking the one that did exist with Saudi Arabia).
And in your mind that's... bad? You should talk to my buddy who is from Uganda. A lot of people in Africa wish the Europeans were still in charge because things were much better than they are now.
Based
Could watch these two bounce off each other all year. Fabulous performances.
I could barely tell that was Gillian Anderson. I found out in the comments holy cow she’s good
Love the Queen's eye roll 😅
Epic
" No one would remember the good Samaritan if he only had good intentions, you see? He had money as well "
Truth
This attitude only works if all you really wanted was to be remembered. Obviously, that is all Thatcher wanted.
@@theresabowers5291That attitude works if you want to foster self-reliance and prosperity, which, in turn, leads to voluntary giving. So spare us your pop psychology armchair analysis.
@fgjsdfgjkl Argumentum as populum. And I would remind you that it was the "working class" that repeatedly voted for Thatcher in droves.
@@theresabowers5291 Don't be silly. Her point was he was able to help because he had money. Nothing to do with being remembered. Remembering you is what other people do. It's not something you do to yourself.
@@patricksachs3655 A poor person who shared their last piece of bread is far more charitable than a rich person who shares some small percentage of his wealth.
Boy, those two did not get along, did they? It's interesting that this was the day before Andy and Fergie's wedding. I was in London that day, and the next day I was in the crowd outside the palace to cheer them on and receive the royal waves.
"Receive royal waves???? Do You hear yourself?!"
I remember their wedding as a week day , got home from school and my grandparents were at our house watching the wedding .
@@CaliToTheCrowdRoyal waves don’t sound too bad
Stop taking this as a documentary. This scene is purely imagined. Absolutely nobody knows what they discussed since there was noone else in the room.
They disagreed on a lot, but there was mutual respect.
Her 'Good Samaritan' analogy has one vital flaw - ONE person would remember him if he had no money - the person he HELPED would have remembered.
How would the Good Samaritan been able to help if he had no money? He paid for the injured, beaten, robbed man to stay at an inn and heal. If the Good Samaritan had no money, he may well have been able to bind up the man’s wounds, but the beaten man with no money would have been left beside the road with no way of paying for lodging, food, and would have been susceptible to further attacks by other people or to rot in the elements.
The analogy is pretty good.
Damn that read from Gillian…….chef’s kiss😘
Her son Mark so was corrupt.
This is what too many outside Britain don't understand, the monarch only has power in theory, in practice they have none. The Prime Minister is elected by the people, they have a mandate, the monarch does not.
Alas it was also a lesson Thatcher ultimately forgot with the Poll Tax. She began to think of herself as untouchable, like a monarch. Lost public support and was booted out.
"This is what too many outside Britain don't understand, the monarch only has power in theory, in practice they have none" That is untrue. They don't wield power directly over the legislative. That doesn't mean they have no influence. The US president similarly has no direct power over the legislative, no one would think they were powerless. The current King has written hundreds of letters to government ministers-do you honestly think he has no influence?
1:17. She goes hard and honestly made me admire her so much.
So many differences of opinions however the acting was very professional to have such a response
Wonderful actresses. So beautifully played. Thank you.
Thatcher was right here, ultimately. The sovereign does not have the right to interfere with the people’s government. Was fun to watch this exchange b/w two giants
Very true. This was one of the Queen’s few missteps.
I heard from somewhere she actually didn't say anything about the prime Minister, It's the queen's secretary who don't like her,so he put those word in the queen's mouth,and she was very angry about that.
The off hand mention of her corrupt son’s South African dealings. Thatcher was fine with corruption where it could gain something for her children, her son.
Yeah a pointless monarchy.
You are wrong.
Apartheid was a failure then. It's a failure now.
The power, and the tension of this two..
My favorite scene ever.😍😍😍😍
Who is the senior? I am. Mic drop Lady PM
And Thatcher made her WAIT for it too :P
Cannot believe this is Gillian Anderson... Amazing
Gillian Anderson was fantastic as Margaret Thatcher her performance was fantastic she deserves the Emmy for her performance
wisdom and wealth are two different kettle of fish
This woman SLAYED this role. Extremely convincing portrayal from every single perspective. Her looks, stature, hair, voice, you name it. Margaret Thatcher is what I for one hope as to what our first female POTUS would ever be here at home.
A great insight on the Media's role in manipulating people with "unnamed sources" close to someone, when in reality they are intentional direct messages from that person.
Meghan and Harry do this all the time. Their so called sources are themselves
Would the Prime Minister really have talked over Her Majesty like that?
Its really hard to maintain your position as a calm one infront of such annoying people... Good job olivia Coleman 😂
❤
The disdain in her parting bow. 😊
Definitely gonna rewatch season four again for Gillian's Thatcher . She deserved every award that year.
Gillian Anderson owned that scene!!
Because she kept interrupting. How dare she.
It takes a lot of confidence speaking like that to your monarch when you are the Prime Minister; I'm not sure if I admire that or not.
I would admire that because that is call speaking truth to power!
"Just 6 months between us."
"Oh, and who is the senior?"
"... I am."
Her timing exuded authority.
You could admire it if it wasnt Thatcher doing it. She was called the wicked witch for a reason.
@@Callsign-Blade_RunnerSG There was no truth coming from Thatcher.
Would have been more powerful if she wasnt wrong
Whatever the director's artist license to create scenes everyone in this series knocks it out of the ballpark. Like watching theatre on screen.
Not gonna lie, as an Argentinian, you guys should be thankfull that Margaret Thatcher was your Prime Minister during the war. She was Big.
If you tried again you would still lose
Let us not forget
Gillian you slayed that role ❤
So what is the impact of thatcher son being invested in South Africa? Does that mean thatcher is so cold blooded that she placed sanctions on south Africa knowing it would hurt her own child's interests? Or is it implying that she didn't support The queen's want of sanctions on south Africa bc her son had business interests there?
Liz wanted sanctions, Thatcher wanted improved business relations.
The latter.
@@fromthefountofyouth Margaret Thatcher better be burning in hell if there is one.
Yeh, never mind the Apartheid lmao. The business!! What abt the Business??
Wow, this is superb acting by Gillian Anderson. No one has played Margaret Thatcher better than Gillian Anderson. Not to take anything away from Meryl Streep but Gillian Anderson captured Margaret Thatcher’s spirit and mannerisms with pure accuracy.
What a brilliant English ... I loved it!
Mrs Thatcher would not have been described better than a woman's point of view while demonstrating against her: She took away all our sense of solidarity, our responsibility towards workers and the financially weaker in this country.
Gillian Anderson has the perfect demeanor and tonal voice to play the mom.
The ironic part South Africa basically was an unprofitable investment at the time and only sanctions led its government to stabilize and make a profit
Also to her quote about the Good Samaritan ..... so she is basically saying that she doesn't have money to give
That's why Britain is in lack of such leaderships today
Omg for one moment I thought that Margaret Thatcher was alive 😮
She's brilliant
That woman was brilliant as Margaret Theather. Well Done
Fantastic actresses both but they don’t really capture either lady. Both had far warmer personalities than comes across here. Thatcher often had a slight twinkle when she spoke. These ladies weren’t ‘iron’ they were human, mothers, and yes, leaders
Right as you may be, it needs to be a bit exaggerated for there to be drama
❤ Gillian Anderson
Who is the senior..I am...I don't know of any Prime Minister who divided the nation like Thatcher.
And it was clear that the long overdue things she did WOULD be divisive and painful in the short run.. which is why nobody before her had the courage to step up and DO it and take the years-long blast of furious intensely personal hatred. Thatcher had more ...guts... than the entire hundreds or thousands-strong political establishment put together. And she was vindicated by Labour not undoing what she did but instead just accepting it and moving forward
It's a bloke called Keir Starmer. You'll find out in about 4 months 😂😂
The phrase “disappeared into the part” is used too liberally but here, spot on.
Those 2 words "Of course" raised on lot of suspicion on why ms thatcher didn't want sanction on South Africa
That is some great acting!
Very well acted.
It was superb acting....
I wonder if this conversation had ever take place!
Amazing acting - the voice and the stare is almost a replica of the original model.
Those sources were correct 🤷♂️
I love both of them
Gillian done very well.
This fight was more intense than an MMA fight!
This was actually a stage play long before The Crown.. in theatre with Her Majesty played by Helen Mirren, titled "The Audience".
It was originally a comedy script with much laughter, until Peter Morgan brought it into The Crown.
Peter Morgan also wrote "The Audience". What worked in the theater (I saw it in NYC) probably wouldn't work on TV.
It is still a comedy?
For the series, not anymore. It became awkward confrontation.
@@mikery12 was it good watch?
Why are there not more leaders like her. Women or not
3:02 "Well they need only read the Sunday Times…it will give them no doubt as to your position."
ROASTED
This is my favourite scene of all.
Your majesty
Thatcher's father was very well off, he was the mayor of Grantham
He had made most of his money on his own by then. By 1919 he had his own grocery shop and by 1923 he opened a second one. He became major of the small town of Grantham in 1945.
He worked for it though didn’t he like his daughter.
Is he related to the Earl of Grantham? Or Lyanna Mormont of Bear Island?
Can't say I blame him - I don't like his daughter either@@vantheman1238
They were not well off.
how could they remember all those long powerful lines....
It should be borne in mind this is not one take.
They avoid mindlessly scrolling through You Tube and Facebook...
@@johnnotrealname8168 For all the money these actors are making they probably have learned how to memorize Webster's Dictionary by now. LoL 😂
Well they had to research what each one was doing during that time which I believe will help them understand their roles