pretty amazing duel, but calling out last exchange when fencers already engaged one another....seems to me kinda bad thing to do, it can pretty easily ruin concentration, and would be much nicer to call "last exchange before marshal starts the round....
You could argue that it's because olympic fencers do not go off line like HEMA fencers do in terms of movement. In olympic fencing, the fencers only go forwards and backwards in a straight line, whereas in HEMA they can go wherever they want in a circle, thus requiring more cameras to accurately capture the action.
I used to do foil when I was a kid and I would love to try my habilities on a hema context, althought I would need a bit of practice before, im quite rusty right now hahahah
I believe the biggest difference is that you need to also focus on not getting hit yourself (double-hits) and also the wider variety of weapons. I'm just a viewer though
I did a little competing in foil & epee many years ago. There's probably a lot of us checking out HEMA even if only to watch because it looks like a lot of fun. I always had complaints with foil & epee competition like using the strip & rules like Right of Way in foil. I know why they're there but it always made competing feel rather inauthenic for me. Because of that I like the use of a ring here & the kumite approach of judges so far even with the obvious issues for crosses. With how inexpensive it would be nowadays for them to setup a few small cams at multiple angles & link them to a nearby monitor, this could really help the sport. It could serve as an immediate cross or dispute video review for the judges & double as a way to obtain video to promote HEMA. Hell, if they had someone active on the monitor they could even livestream events with multiple angles! I'm excited to see how HEMA continues to grow.
This is absolutely a fantastic resource for trying to figure out how people actually did this back in the day, this kind of high level technique and physical finesse is very indicative of how it was done, these people are professional enough to at least pretend to try and stay alive instead of try and score points like they do in Olympic fencing, and this is a lot more practical version. Imagine the people back in the 1600s in Italy in Spain who did this most of their lives, from the age of 14 to around 25 to 35 at the oldest, they did this almost every day all their lives because everyone else did it almost every day All of their lives. Can you imagine?
No dude they're so sloooow, I do foil since a couple of year, and if you stay close to your opponent like this you're going to loose the fight. Then their attacks are super slow, heavy, it's super easy to see them coming
@@fefelepacha6026 Well, foils are much lighter. Rapiers can get pretty heavy by comparison (mine is anyway, much heavier than foils I've handled). I get what you say about them being in distance, but I think that is partly a function of them trying to feel the blade of the other guy. That said I am a novice when it comes to swords so when I said fast, I meant it seemed fast to me.
I guess that with rapier, the rules are somewhat similar to Olympic fencing in that only the first hit counts (scores the only point in a round)? At least that's what it looks like to me. I note that with longsword duels, both participants can score multiple points in one round.
Mannnn those thrusts were on point. Very quick and despite what others like to claim, thrusts in the right spot can stop someone dead in their tracks if not kill them. A thrusts isn’t as cool as a slash but it’s just as deadly. I think the biggest difference is that a slash is far more noticeable than a quick thrust and A lot of times people do not realize they have been impaled until it is too late.
slashes are way more deadly if the opponent isn't using armor the good thing about thrust is that you can easily do it against shorter weapons without getting close meaning that you'll have no opening but thrust can be tricky because it's easier to miss a vital point than to hit one but in fight you just need to do the bare minimum to immobilize your opponent so it's a little bit easier. And slashes pretty much anywhere means you'll be out of the fight, heck even superficial ones in the hands or above eyes can easily take you off the fight.
@@joemama-bu5ue Ya any strike in critical spots are fatal but it’s a lot easier to get a thrust off than a good slash. Most people wear some form of armor and in those cases thrusts work better, that’s at swords were a status symbol and polearms were the go to weapon for armies for thousands of years. That’s also why katanas tend to be pretty inferior to European made blades. Slashes are good but imo it should be your primary form of attack, it’s too predictable.
@@Dante-mw2ez not really many people had plate armor or the more modern chaimails that only appeared later on europe usually only soldiers would have simple armors and nobleman; like generals or captains would have either a full plate set or just a couple pieces of the full set, but mercenaries and soldiers hadn't that so a lot of times they would be using very light armor that would have minimal protection against slashes, so yeah SWORDS were used for a long time but it was mainly for people who were skilled with it, soldiers that stayed at the front of the battle used pole-arms because it was a easier and more effective weapon to use. And if you think slashes are predictable just watch any Sabre battle lmao
@@joemama-bu5ue actually not necessarily true. Swords were a secondary side arm, because most people had boiled leather armor which is pretty strong against swords. Sabers were a dueling weapon mostly used in unarmored duels by civilians, or in more modern combat after their muskets ran out of juice.
@@Dante-mw2ez boiled leather armor was more expensive + padded armor was better and less expensive, and no both leather and padded aren't "strong" against swords, it just stopped some of the slice but the IMPACT was still the same you could stop the slice but you'll still break your bones because how heavy the sword impact is..
Can anyone explain to me why they stand so close to each other? At this distance they both can touch each other, whereas if they deviated, whoever launched the attack (a step followed by a slot let's say) would have the advantage?
I believe it is common to seek binds because the pressure on the blade tells you what your opponent may be doing. If the pressure is relieved, they're likely going to do some kind of rotation or try to work around your blade, if they press into it, they might be trying to control your blade and you can react accordingly. It also limits some options because your blade is directly in its path. This is all hearsay btw, I've never really practiced HEMA.
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Rapier without daggers is so much nicer.
fuck ya dawg, reppin' that single life
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pretty amazing duel, but calling out last exchange when fencers already engaged one another....seems to me kinda bad thing to do, it can pretty easily ruin concentration, and would be much nicer to call "last exchange before marshal starts the round....
I agree, I think that's why the final thrust was landed so easily, the last exchange call seemed to break the receiver's concentration
Even without it though the point gap was too high right?
these camera angles are almost as bad as in fencing camera angles in olympics, why can't you just give a fixed angle where we can see the whole piste?
You could argue that it's because olympic fencers do not go off line like HEMA fencers do in terms of movement. In olympic fencing, the fencers only go forwards and backwards in a straight line, whereas in HEMA they can go wherever they want in a circle, thus requiring more cameras to accurately capture the action.
I do Epee and Saber but I’ve been wanting to get into HEMA as well so it’s always cool to see.
I used to do foil when I was a kid and I would love to try my habilities on a hema context, althought I would need a bit of practice before, im quite rusty right now hahahah
I tried neither HEMA or sabre. Both would be amazing to get into though
I believe the biggest difference is that you need to also focus on not getting hit yourself (double-hits) and also the wider variety of weapons. I'm just a viewer though
I did a little competing in foil & epee many years ago. There's probably a lot of us checking out HEMA even if only to watch because it looks like a lot of fun.
I always had complaints with foil & epee competition like using the strip & rules like Right of Way in foil. I know why they're there but it always made competing feel rather inauthenic for me. Because of that I like the use of a ring here & the kumite approach of judges so far even with the obvious issues for crosses.
With how inexpensive it would be nowadays for them to setup a few small cams at multiple angles & link them to a nearby monitor, this could really help the sport. It could serve as an immediate cross or dispute video review for the judges & double as a way to obtain video to promote HEMA. Hell, if they had someone active on the monitor they could even livestream events with multiple angles!
I'm excited to see how HEMA continues to grow.
Awesome :) we need to see more single rapier bouts :3
I agree!
truth...dagger makes it kinda wack in my opinion
This is absolutely a fantastic resource for trying to figure out how people actually did this back in the day, this kind of high level technique and physical finesse is very indicative of how it was done, these people are professional enough to at least pretend to try and stay alive instead of try and score points like they do in Olympic fencing, and this is a lot more practical version.
Imagine the people back in the 1600s in Italy in Spain who did this most of their lives, from the age of 14 to around 25 to 35 at the oldest, they did this almost every day all their lives because everyone else did it almost every day All of their lives. Can you imagine?
Those guys are FAST. This was awesome to see.
No dude they're so sloooow, I do foil since a couple of year, and if you stay close to your opponent like this you're going to loose the fight. Then their attacks are super slow, heavy, it's super easy to see them coming
@@fefelepacha6026 Well, foils are much lighter. Rapiers can get pretty heavy by comparison (mine is anyway, much heavier than foils I've handled). I get what you say about them being in distance, but I think that is partly a function of them trying to feel the blade of the other guy. That said I am a novice when it comes to swords so when I said fast, I meant it seemed fast to me.
@@fefelepacha6026 This isn't the same as normal fencing, their rapiers are much heavier and tactics are not the same as traditional fencing.
@@fefelepacha6026Duh...they are fat middle aged HEMA dudes who most likely work in a office. Not 20 year old Olympians.
I totally enjoyed your content, thank you
Well-done, other Miles!
That was very satisfying to watch
1400's: as armas do futuro serão revolucionárias.
2022: duelo de rapieiras
I guess that with rapier, the rules are somewhat similar to Olympic fencing in that only the first hit counts (scores the only point in a round)? At least that's what it looks like to me. I note that with longsword duels, both participants can score multiple points in one round.
Very good cam!
Anything like this in Oregon?? Ms.Fox introduced this and looks very fun.
Porque esses caras só ficam tentando acertar a ponta no outro, cade a luta batendo espada? As lutas de rapieira não era assim.
They're such gentlemen!
No dislikes at all
Mannnn those thrusts were on point. Very quick and despite what others like to claim, thrusts in the right spot can stop someone dead in their tracks if not kill them. A thrusts isn’t as cool as a slash but it’s just as deadly. I think the biggest difference is that a slash is far more noticeable than a quick thrust and A lot of times people do not realize they have been impaled until it is too late.
slashes are way more deadly if the opponent isn't using armor
the good thing about thrust is that you can easily do it against shorter weapons without getting close meaning that you'll have no opening but thrust can be tricky because it's easier to miss a vital point than to hit one but in fight you just need to do the bare minimum to immobilize your opponent so it's a little bit easier. And slashes pretty much anywhere means you'll be out of the fight, heck even superficial ones in the hands or above eyes can easily take you off the fight.
@@joemama-bu5ue Ya any strike in critical spots are fatal but it’s a lot easier to get a thrust off than a good slash. Most people wear some form of armor and in those cases thrusts work better, that’s at swords were a status symbol and polearms were the go to weapon for armies for thousands of years. That’s also why katanas tend to be pretty inferior to European made blades. Slashes are good but imo it should be your primary form of attack, it’s too predictable.
@@Dante-mw2ez not really many people had plate armor or the more modern chaimails that only appeared later on europe usually only soldiers would have simple armors and nobleman; like generals or captains would have either a full plate set or just a couple pieces of the full set, but mercenaries and soldiers hadn't that so a lot of times they would be using very light armor that would have minimal protection against slashes, so yeah SWORDS were used for a long time but it was mainly for people who were skilled with it, soldiers that stayed at the front of the battle used pole-arms because it was a easier and more effective weapon to use. And if you think slashes are predictable just watch any Sabre battle lmao
@@joemama-bu5ue actually not necessarily true. Swords were a secondary side arm, because most people had boiled leather armor which is pretty strong against swords. Sabers were a dueling weapon mostly used in unarmored duels by civilians, or in more modern combat after their muskets ran out of juice.
@@Dante-mw2ez boiled leather armor was more expensive + padded armor was better and less expensive, and no both leather and padded aren't "strong" against swords, it just stopped some of the slice but the IMPACT was still the same you could stop the slice but you'll still break your bones because how heavy the sword impact is..
Hey ho! I spotted Ken Dietiker from Seven Swords Academy in the audience. ;)
Lots of cool people come to CombatCon ;)
Nice tempo
This is awesome, I love rapiers.
Can anyone explain to me why they stand so close to each other? At this distance they both can touch each other, whereas if they deviated, whoever launched the attack (a step followed by a slot let's say) would have the advantage?
I believe it is common to seek binds because the pressure on the blade tells you what your opponent may be doing. If the pressure is relieved, they're likely going to do some kind of rotation or try to work around your blade, if they press into it, they might be trying to control your blade and you can react accordingly. It also limits some options because your blade is directly in its path.
This is all hearsay btw, I've never really practiced HEMA.
What Artameful said is pretty correct, you always want to have your blade on the other.
i love that miles cupp has a cup hilt lol
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Commentators need to go. Could barely hear the ref and its distracting. Would rather hear the swords clash.
Was nice for me as somebody only casually interested in HEMA.
Such a garbage water down of how cool fencing can be
The tournaments are open to all competitors so you should come to Vegas and show them how it's done!
@@TheCombatCon get me there and I will
@@Ben2k109 You should be able to cover the expense when you win the tournaments. Just sell the prizes and you'll be all set!
@@TheCombatCon you have me confused I don’t think your boring play fighting doesn’t take skill it’s just so boring like really boring
@@Ben2k109 Awesome, thanks for sharing your opinion.
Sh*t...if I was fencing I'd look cool like zorro...none of this boring real life bs...I can make the real deal look like the movies
None of this "boring real life bs"? You've probably never held a sword mate lol
Wonderful to hear. If you're aiming to make it look like the movies you will definitely be missing the mark on HEMA :)