This flight was carrying out an Autoland, suspected LOC signal interference at flare height causes the AP flew the airplane off the center line. Crew initiated an AP coupled GA but the maneuver rate was too slow, Capt. took over and went around at last second manually.
The actual video looked WAAAAAAAY more hardcore than a "last minute deviation". The crew should have said............... "whoops, we really biffed than one and almost crashed the plane"........... "going around to try again".
I wasnt looking when that landing happened, but I did see it park next to my Atlas plane at South cargo. Bunch of debris on the left gear, it stayed there for a while and they replaced all of the tires along with a very detailed inspection. Nice video!
All of the debris and stuff was on the wing gear, but the body gear may have gone off slightly as well. They replaced all of the tires on the left side, so both may have gone off.
MrGravity747 , I thought all airlines had contingency light maintenance contracts at ORD if they didn't have their own maintenance support. Who are the contingency contractors at ORD?
I know if its like Star Alliance or One World they would work on each other's aircraft if needed. I've seen Iberia planes in United Hangars same with like Swiss Airlines or Lufthansa since they are In Star Alliance but I have no idea who would work on China Cargo at ORD.
My guess. It's an autoland being performed in cat1 conditions. Meaning that the localizer isn't under protection as it would be for cat2/3. I've seen this myself in real life. If someone interferes with the localizer signal the aircraft will veer, and it's pretty damn rapid. In my case the captain immediately disconnected as we were already twenty degrees off centre. Frankly I thought we'd be on the grass.
Jarred Mitchell the Localiser Aerial (for the lateral guidance)is situated 300m from the departure end of the runway. Any larger object (especially those out of metal) between the approaching Aircraft and the Aerial will interfere with the emitted Loc signal causing deviation from the extended center line to varying degrees. That is why under Cat 2/3 operation the runway holding points are further away from the runway than under normal conditions.
@@TheBoeingE You bring up a valid point, but the localizer is designed to shut off almost immediately if such interference occurs. There is no way, unless the monitor was improperly configured, that it would have radiated the distorted signal in question.
Jarred Mitchell, maybe the acceptable localiser deviation measured at the monitoring station is a bit higher when the airport isn’t under low visibility operation. I don’t know. Searching through AvHerald shows that there is a certain pattern to these kind of incidents: Autoland in Cat1 operation with Aircraft holding near the active runway. If you have some insight on the monitoring stations I would be interested to know what the allowable devitions are.
Wow! And a big thank you to VASAviation for a comprehensive and informative video. Having that actual footage at the end was… uh… illuminating, to say the least!
The wing dip at 5:12 is super scary. It probably looks worse than it is but it's hard not to imagine the catastrophe if the movement is any more violent.
HS 610 I’m confused about this... I thought they had landed a bit off the runway, then went around for some reason? You’re saying they didn’t touch down at all before going around? Where did the debris come from, then?
Keep in mind the engines don't react as fast as in a car. They must have made the decision to go around at least a couple of secs before they touched the ground.
Robbedem Yeah, I can see how that could result in a touch down before they had the thrust to safely climb. It’s not clear to me why going around was preferable to just correcting back to the runway’s center line. Are big airplanes simply not that maneuverable?
@@avanvalenziano Yes, he did fly recklessly. Do you even know the first thing about flying?? (rollseyes). It is the Pilot's responsibility *AT ALL TIMES* to make sure the aircraft is safe, regardless of autoland or not, especially in those visibility conditions!! This was not a full CAT III autoland in zero visibility. During those types of landing, a lot of precautions are taken, to ensure no signal interference with the ILS and so on. Frankly, in this particular situation, the visibility was so good (as shown by the camera recording) that the pilot should *NEVER* have even attempted an autoland, especially with a wet runway and whatnot! (rollseyes). This is *100% pilot error, and a bad one at that!!*
I talked to the first officer of the first Spirit airbus on taxiway November. It's the second visible airplane from right at 5:21. He said that when he saw them deviating off centerline he thought for sure they were going to hit his airplane. Then they veered back towards centerline and he thought they might miss them and hit the airplane behind them. It was definitely an eyeful. Scary stuff.
In my intro description I typed Boeing 747-409F... do you know what that F means? That should be information enough for you to know this is a (F)reight flight. Not yelling, just saying ;)
Alex Hi Alex, I am quite familiar with the term Hypoxia, and its physiological effects. I have controlled several emergencies where the pilot, albeit, they were fighter pilots, lost their oxygen source. Their speech was extremely slurred, or close to falling asleep. Besides your speech going bad, your thinking faculties go also. One emergency, the wingman was flying upside down, singing and happy as all heck. We manage to get him right side up and bring him down. I have also controlled in many foreign countries, were English is the second language. Yes, as you said he sounded drunk, but really, it is just the accent and problems pronouncing some letters in the English alphabet.
He did a fantastic job of saving that thing. Look how far over it was on its right wing. Yeah I know he was trying to land half on and half off the runway
His praise isn't misplaced. Pilot error happens ALL THE TIME. Being a good pilot includes learning how to properly RECOVER from a mistake you are BOUND TO MAKE at one point or another in your career. I don't know if you knew this, but *NEWSFLASH* *Humans are subject to mistakes, be it a pilot or an astronaut*
I don't see why they'd have been using ILS autoland in those weather conditions... but that looks like an autoland with ground traffic interfering with ILS signal. There's a video out there of a 777 landing via autoland at Munich where aircraft in the path of the ILS beam caused interference that made the autopilot veer left just as the aircraft was about to touch down.
I heard Asian airlines do more autolands than other airlines. Maybe they don’t like their pilots hand flying. I don’t know. There was a similar incident in Munich where a Singapore Airlines 777 ended up on the grass due to ILS interference.
cookiemonster I’ve also read that their companies prefer them to autoland. Their airlines are really setting their pilots up to fail, and then the pilots get shit on for it. It’s a shame.
Yeah what they said, a lot of Asian airlines rank seniority by unconventional metrics like approach accuracy, the company knows if you go off of the ILS glide slope and will punish you for it. It was a contributing factor in the latest SFO crash
Watching that video at the end, that was a pretty serious incident. That could have had a MUCH worse outcome, not just for the one plane, but all the others near the runway. Great presentation of the incident.
Smokin Moses if they have, I have no place to ridicule. I'm a truck driver who has driven some nasty mountain passes in snow storms at night, and enjoyed it, but those guys landing on carriers are so far beyond me.
Not as bad as what some others have posted on youtube about this. That Captain was very professional from what I heard here. I will not attempt to guess what happened since I was not sitting in the seat next to him or in the Jumpseat behind him. At least he didn't forget how to fly the airplane. Ok, there were a little damage and some short delays, no real harm done. I doubt that much of anything is going to come out of it, the Pilots in question may or may not see an FAA action, I don't know if he holds an FAA Pilots Certificate, Lots of them do, and have other pilot licenses issued on the basis of an FAA Certification. It's going to be interesting to read the final report when in comes out in about 18 months from now.
Oh my gosh the way that the plane looked to tilt in the real footage had me wide-eyed even though I know the end results. That's honestly terrifying, especially for the people on the right side window seats.
Bad day at the office for those guys eh. The footage at the end was a great addition and really helped put into perspective the level of the event. Maybe had a crab setting set too high or something? Im no pilot so just thinking of possible causes on top of pilot error
Its crazy how in the U.S you need 1500 hours (non-restricted) before you can work for a regional airline, then year later work for a major. While in other countries once you get your commercial at ~350 hours they put you in a 737. Then a few short year later you could be carrying 400+ pax on a 777 or bigger.
Just a question, who's mistake it could be? Pilot error ? I dont have much experience on landing of planes but control tower guide them for landing right, and the pilots have visual of airport too. Then it is pilot who is wrong.
The controller definitely appreciated that trick. Do they award bonus points for taking out a wind sock (and lights?) on the field in addition to closing a runway during a busy time?
VASAviation - Do you know what the cause of the deviation was? Crosswind? Pilot error? A Liitle too much rudder? Appreciate any info on the real cause thanks
At the beginning of the video around the 0:14 mark, the graphic of the airport shows a third east-west runaway south of the 7/25s. Is there a new runway at PANC?
Dual sport, offroading in a 747! I was in a Britton Trilander flying to Cancun. The trainee pilot was lining for a landing on the taxiway. At the last minute the senior pilot looked and yelled "Right, right!" We made a huge right bank, then counter turn as we landed on the runway. I was laughing, the woman behind me was saying Hail Mary's.
I'm in Chicago and never heard of this incident till 2 days ago but then again I did CPR in the middle of a city street after a hit & run [I think the man died] and that NEVER made the news either.
From the simulation, it appeared that the pilots were blown off course by the wind. In any event, kudos to the pilots for taking the situation back into the air to sort out rather than trying to steer back into the runway, which could have caused further damage, both to the ground and the aircraft.
I wonder what happened during the missed approach. Did they retract the gear with the windsock stuck in it? Could have made things way worse for the second attempt.
Max Chen well.. that depends on who you ask. Taiwan says it’s a sovereign country. China says it’s part of China. I was just saying China Airlines is based in Taiwan.
In general, most Taiwainese think of themselves as their own country, most chinese are taught that taiwan is a long lost comrade which one day will rejoin the mainland.
I hope there Will be a New video when there are explanation of what happened. I know there are a few experts who loves this channel as much as I do. That can maybe share some light over this incident to us who are still dreaming of flying😁
From another comment, I assume it's correct since other comments also mention it as the cause "This flight was carrying out an Autoland, suspected LOC signal interference at flare height causes the AP flew the airplane off the center line. Crew initiated an AP coupled GA but the maneuver rate was too slow, Capt. took over and went around at last second manually".
Got to give pilot credit for at least sounding cool in that situation. This video doesn't show it but he must have been very close to stall because other video shows steep ascent with a quick leveling input while still over runway.
If the PIC had not pushed the nose over at 5:50 when the (r) wing dropped it could have been unrecoverable. Looking out the windshield as you break out of the ceiling also helps.
s9360321 Yes, a noticie to be vigilant, would surely have some reasons. Unwarranted disconnect, or inaccuracies, etc., No way of knowing, at the present, what this crew had briefed or planned for their landing approach. Other, than the radio call, that he was on the ILS for 10L. Let us wait for the final report.
China Airlines (Taiwan) has had a shockingly poor safety record. Almost lost another 747 on this one. I always wonder why China Airlines has trouble with safety since Taiwan is such a well organized and safe place.
This is not really the case any more. Last hull loss was a 737 in 2007, a fire on ground. Last fatality was 2002 on a 747. Not spectacular, but 11 years without an incident of note is pretty good. As far as this video is concerned, go around was delayed. They should have figured they were off center long before they did some lawn mowing with their left gear. Good it was saved in the end.
Point taken. Compared to so many other airlines, its a poor record. I still remember the Dynasty 006 incident from '85! Anyway, my candidate for worst safety airline right now is Asiana.
Is the training in china just sub par for pilots or do they not maintain the aircraft? Im just saying because the past couple of years China airways has been having a lot of these "small" incidents that seem to be pilot error or bad training. I understand the language barrier comes into play sometimes but landing off the runway or lining up your approach onto a taxi way doesnt seem like a language problem.
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*This had to be really scary...*
Especially for the folks in the Delta waiting to takeoff
Guys from Delta must have had pants full of shit right there
Change of pants was required.
matt b unless they were wearing brown pants.
You're wunway is wubbery
That's a standard flight Sim landing for me.
Anything with less than 2 fireballs is a partial success. xD
Only 2? You should try landing something in Kerbal Space Program.
@@djinn666 If VAB is intact, it was a pretty good landing. Bonus points if the pad is too.
Me too
Once saw a real commercial pilot doing this in flight sim game when the autoland didn’t like the runway he chose
This flight was carrying out an Autoland, suspected LOC signal interference at flare height causes the AP flew the airplane off the center line. Crew initiated an AP coupled GA but the maneuver rate was too slow, Capt. took over and went around at last second manually.
rip
Fast reaction
The actual video looked WAAAAAAAY more hardcore than a "last minute deviation".
The crew should have said............... "whoops, we really biffed than one and almost crashed the plane"........... "going around to try again".
JohnnyG haha yes, it turns hard in the last second
They were on ILS landing so they must have drifted too far to the left, a crossword? Someone is going to have some explaining to do.
drmayeda1 Wind was 060/12kts, left to right. Aircraft went off the runway to the left, contrary to wind direction. Wait for final report!
Lol, Do I know you?
Scott Scouter pilot communicating is focused on instruments. The other one might to be stressed
That could have ended so much worse. That lift to go around looked really agressive.
Jeez yes. At 5:05+, almost looks like a tail strike.
that's right I thought it was a bit too much, could have easily go into a stall and there is no comming back from that with zero altitute.
arfster2 has to be a tailstrike
Pilot be like, Ludder save me!
Co-Pilot be like, Deviation, we go alound!
Boeing be like, Dude, that windsock hurt, get me out here!
@@arfster2 Definitely a tailstrike, looks like it stroke in the mud there
I believe THAT "go-around" needed a take-off clearance!
FSX: Steam Edition
This is not FSX.
Mmmm, grass.
X-Plane
J. Quayle Higgins I'm pretty sure he meant the pilot has been playing too much FSX: Steam Edition
You guys didnt get the joke...........
You can aaallllways go around.... 🎶
...if it don't look right coming down...
...don't wait until you're sideways,...
Fidelis ...Maybe sliding upside down...
...go around. I know that when I learned to fly...
...My instructor was yellin’in my ear...
I wasnt looking when that landing happened, but I did see it park next to my Atlas plane at South cargo. Bunch of debris on the left gear, it stayed there for a while and they replaced all of the tires along with a very detailed inspection. Nice video!
Evan S ,
So, just the left wing gear went off the paved surface? It is difficult to tell if the left main body gear went off as well.
All of the debris and stuff was on the wing gear, but the body gear may have gone off slightly as well. They replaced all of the tires on the left side, so both may have gone off.
Who replaced the tires for them? I'm a mechanic at ORD
MrGravity747 ,
I thought all airlines had contingency light maintenance contracts at ORD if they didn't have their own maintenance support. Who are the contingency contractors at ORD?
I know if its like Star Alliance or One World they would work on each other's aircraft if needed. I've seen Iberia planes in United Hangars same with like Swiss Airlines or Lufthansa since they are In Star Alliance but I have no idea who would work on China Cargo at ORD.
My guess. It's an autoland being performed in cat1 conditions. Meaning that the localizer isn't under protection as it would be for cat2/3.
I've seen this myself in real life. If someone interferes with the localizer signal the aircraft will veer, and it's pretty damn rapid. In my case the captain immediately disconnected as we were already twenty degrees off centre. Frankly I thought we'd be on the grass.
How is someone going to interfere with the ils signal?
Jarred Mitchell the Localiser Aerial (for the lateral guidance)is situated 300m from the departure end of the runway. Any larger object (especially those out of metal) between the approaching Aircraft and the Aerial will interfere with the emitted Loc signal causing deviation from the extended center line to varying degrees. That is why under Cat 2/3 operation the runway holding points are further away from the runway than under normal conditions.
@@TheBoeingE You bring up a valid point, but the localizer is designed to shut off almost immediately if such interference occurs. There is no way, unless the monitor was improperly configured, that it would have radiated the distorted signal in question.
Jarred Mitchell, maybe the acceptable localiser deviation measured at the monitoring station is a bit higher when the airport isn’t under low visibility operation. I don’t know.
Searching through AvHerald shows that there is a certain pattern to these kind of incidents: Autoland in Cat1 operation with Aircraft holding near the active runway. If you have some insight on the monitoring stations I would be interested to know what the allowable devitions are.
Exactly what I thought. Poor buggers, just needed to press TOGA earlier.
Wow! And a big thank you to VASAviation for a comprehensive and informative video. Having that actual footage at the end was… uh… illuminating, to say the least!
The wing dip at 5:12 is super scary. It probably looks worse than it is but it's hard not to imagine the catastrophe if the movement is any more violent.
Naa, that's not scary. This is kind of.. changing the pants scary: ruclips.net/video/aYiLaK5bIJo/видео.html
At least they did a go-around instead of trying to put it down anyways.
HS 610 I’m confused about this... I thought they had landed a bit off the runway, then went around for some reason? You’re saying they didn’t touch down at all before going around? Where did the debris come from, then?
Keep in mind the engines don't react as fast as in a car.
They must have made the decision to go around at least a couple of secs before they touched the ground.
Robbedem Yeah, I can see how that could result in a touch down before they had the thrust to safely climb. It’s not clear to me why going around was preferable to just correcting back to the runway’s center line. Are big airplanes simply not that maneuverable?
Cmdr101z thanks for the clarification
Cmdr101z Ah, ok... I’d thought that any damage would’ve already been done. I hadn’t thought of the potential for continuing damage. Thanks :-)
Wow, this was excellent!! Thanks for posting!
Thanks for watching, Greg.
Wow. Just WOW....
Glad everything went more or less well in the end!
PlaneSpottingBerlin ✈ Aviation Videos that‘s why you don‘t fly Chinese airlines.....
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China airlines is not a Chinese Airline.
Joseph Ding Taiwanese..... Almost the same (accent) although this one is not as bad
It's from the other China.
I’m glad that they did a go around and not to continue to land.
I always love your video thumbnails. The windsock had me dying on this one. XD
Little details :)
I guess China Cargo needs to buy some all terrain tires now for their 747's!
Classic! Lmao
Tractor tires are better when plowing fields
Yikes, the start of that go-around looks bad. Glad they recovered and everyone is safe. Thanks for sharing VASAviation! Great channel!
The accent is adorable 😂😂😂
Franco Yu If it wasn't for the subtitles I'd have sworn he said he was coming in on wrongway.
😲😲😲😲😲😲
Ah.. To me he sounded out of it. His reckless flying supports this theory.
brkitdwn this flight was on auto land, with an interference with the LOC, the pilot didn’t fly recklessly
@@avanvalenziano Yes, he did fly recklessly. Do you even know the first thing about flying?? (rollseyes). It is the Pilot's responsibility *AT ALL TIMES* to make sure the aircraft is safe, regardless of autoland or not, especially in those visibility conditions!!
This was not a full CAT III autoland in zero visibility. During those types of landing, a lot of precautions are taken, to ensure no signal interference with the ILS and so on. Frankly, in this particular situation, the visibility was so good (as shown by the camera recording) that the pilot should *NEVER* have even attempted an autoland, especially with a wet runway and whatnot! (rollseyes). This is *100% pilot error, and a bad one at that!!*
Awesome video as always Thanks
GREAT editing - good job! !! !!!
Wow! Thanks for posting!
I talked to the first officer of the first Spirit airbus on taxiway November. It's the second visible airplane from right at 5:21. He said that when he saw them deviating off centerline he thought for sure they were going to hit his airplane. Then they veered back towards centerline and he thought they might miss them and hit the airplane behind them. It was definitely an eyeful. Scary stuff.
Pizza, check. Pepsi, check. VASAviation videos, check. 😀😀
Haha thanks Rocky!
Rocky Jet Melendez pre flight checks complete
Coke is better
Only thing I’d change is Pepsi to Diet Dr. Pepper! Oh and put VASAviation FIRST lol
Snacks,check, coffee check too
Might want to add that this was a China Airlines *Cargo* flight.
Mariel Dunietz What did we miss, Cargo or Passenger flight, no difference. There was an incident, let us learn from it.
I personally don't care whether it is cargo or passenger. It's an aircraft for me.
Alex Studied Aeronautical Medicine, huh?
In my intro description I typed Boeing 747-409F... do you know what that F means? That should be information enough for you to know this is a (F)reight flight. Not yelling, just saying ;)
Alex Hi Alex, I am quite familiar with the term Hypoxia, and its physiological effects. I have controlled several emergencies where the pilot, albeit, they were fighter pilots, lost their oxygen source. Their speech was extremely slurred, or close to falling asleep. Besides your speech going bad, your thinking faculties go also. One emergency, the wingman was flying upside down, singing and happy as all heck. We manage to get him right side up and bring him down. I have also controlled in many foreign countries, were English is the second language. Yes, as you said he sounded drunk, but really, it is just the accent and problems pronouncing some letters in the English alphabet.
Looked like a tail strike too. Great video VAS.
love the little animations on the map.
Wow, you must’ve spent days editing this. Thanks
Another impressive upload by VASAviation. Did you use FSX or Prepar3D for simulation?
We used Xplane.
He did a fantastic job of saving that thing. Look how far over it was on its right wing. Yeah I know he was trying to land half on and half off the runway
i think the flight crew did a fantastic job to save the day with such last minutes LOC deviation.
I think they did a fantastic job of fu#*#ng it up.
FutureSystem738 Yeah and the brainless comments to match.
Wouldn't have needed to "save that thing" if he didn't fuck up the approach in the first place. Your praise is misplaced.
His praise isn't misplaced. Pilot error happens ALL THE TIME. Being a good pilot includes learning how to properly RECOVER from a mistake you are BOUND TO MAKE at one point or another in your career. I don't know if you knew this, but *NEWSFLASH* *Humans are subject to mistakes, be it a pilot or an astronaut*
I don't see why they'd have been using ILS autoland in those weather conditions... but that looks like an autoland with ground traffic interfering with ILS signal. There's a video out there of a 777 landing via autoland at Munich where aircraft in the path of the ILS beam caused interference that made the autopilot veer left just as the aircraft was about to touch down.
I heard Asian airlines do more autolands than other airlines. Maybe they don’t like their pilots hand flying. I don’t know. There was a similar incident in Munich where a Singapore Airlines 777 ended up on the grass due to ILS interference.
cookiemonster I’ve also read that their companies prefer them to autoland. Their airlines are really setting their pilots up to fail, and then the pilots get shit on for it. It’s a shame.
Yeah what they said, a lot of Asian airlines rank seniority by unconventional metrics like approach accuracy, the company knows if you go off of the ILS glide slope and will punish you for it. It was a contributing factor in the latest SFO crash
Watching that video at the end, that was a pretty serious incident. That could have had a MUCH worse outcome, not just for the one plane, but all the others near the runway. Great presentation of the incident.
At least he had the quick thinking to pull the fak up and bail out of the landing.
I can relate. One time, when I was doing a 380 carrier landing, the dang crosswind component kicked in just a hair too much and I had to deviate.
those can be tricky...especially at night with a pitching and rolling deck.......
in bulk.....
Have any pilots actually shat themselves in hairy situations like that or is it just a figure of speech?
Smokin Moses if they have, I have no place to ridicule. I'm a truck driver who has driven some nasty mountain passes in snow storms at night, and enjoyed it, but those guys landing on carriers are so far beyond me.
ruclips.net/video/aYiLaK5bIJo/видео.html
I love how *Delta* 2012 was on taxiway Delta Delta
Not as bad as what some others have posted on youtube about this. That Captain was very professional from what I heard here. I will not attempt to guess what happened since I was not sitting in the seat next to him or in the Jumpseat behind him. At least he didn't forget how to fly the airplane. Ok, there were a little damage and some short delays, no real harm done. I doubt that much of anything is going to come out of it, the Pilots in question may or may not see an FAA action, I don't know if he holds an FAA Pilots Certificate, Lots of them do, and have other pilot licenses issued on the basis of an FAA Certification. It's going to be interesting to read the final report when in comes out in about 18 months from now.
Excellent decision making by the pilots. Nice job.
Great video!!!
Oh my gosh the way that the plane looked to tilt in the real footage had me wide-eyed even though I know the end results. That's honestly terrifying, especially for the people on the right side window seats.
Soft Field landings in B747? Is this on the new ACS for type rating?
Bad day at the office for those guys eh. The footage at the end was a great addition and really helped put into perspective the level of the event.
Maybe had a crab setting set too high or something? Im no pilot so just thinking of possible causes on top of pilot error
Its crazy how in the U.S you need 1500 hours (non-restricted) before you can work for a regional airline, then year later work for a major. While in other countries once you get your commercial at ~350 hours they put you in a 737. Then a few short year later you could be carrying 400+ pax on a 777 or bigger.
Unbelievable recovery!!
My goodness, it's a miracle that this plane didn't crash.
How to have a Really Bad Day:
Step One: Be this guy
Just a question, who's mistake it could be? Pilot error ? I dont have much experience on landing of planes but control tower guide them for landing right, and the pilots have visual of airport too. Then it is pilot who is wrong.
Since a lot of viewers don't seem to realize, despite the name, China Airlines is actually a Taiwanese Airline company.
Aldunis Dynasty is one hell of a call sign.
as soon as the wheels hit the pilot became a typical asian driver
damn that was one hell of a touch and go. for sure the people felt that.
The controller definitely appreciated that trick. Do they award bonus points for taking out a wind sock (and lights?) on the field in addition to closing a runway during a busy time?
Always great video VASA aviation 😍
Thank you!
Scary, especially seeing the footage at the end... I wonder how that happened...
VASAviation - Do you know what the cause of the deviation was? Crosswind? Pilot error? A Liitle too much rudder? Appreciate any info on the real cause thanks
I, Promize Some other comments suggested the system doing the autoland was in fault, the crew only responsible for saving the bird
At the beginning of the video around the 0:14 mark, the graphic of the airport shows a third east-west runaway south of the 7/25s. Is there a new runway at PANC?
Oh, my bad, I was thinking that was an arrival at PANC, not KORD.
the pilot got a swag in his voice xD
That looks like it could have been real bad. Glad it turned out as good as it did.
did the wing gets damaged from hitting that wind thingy?
When they went back up it looked like they were banking right. They were pretty lucky they were able to stop the bank.
Dual sport, offroading in a 747!
I was in a Britton Trilander flying to Cancun. The trainee pilot was lining for a landing on the taxiway. At the last minute the senior pilot looked and yelled "Right, right!" We made a huge right bank, then counter turn as we landed on the runway. I was laughing, the woman behind me was saying Hail Mary's.
Split second decision on that pilot saved lives.
I'm in Chicago and never heard of this incident till 2 days ago but then again I did CPR in the middle of a city street after a hit & run [I think the man died] and that NEVER made the news either.
From the simulation, it appeared that the pilots were blown off course by the wind. In any event, kudos to the pilots for taking the situation back into the air to sort out rather than trying to steer back into the runway, which could have caused further damage, both to the ground and the aircraft.
it seems that it was an "autoland" fail that caused the deviation and the pilots corrected it
I wonder what happened during the missed approach. Did they retract the gear with the windsock stuck in it? Could have made things way worse for the second attempt.
I believe it might have something to do with departing aircraft affecting ils beam. But thats just a possibility.
A thomson at leeds in uk go a rounded after the pliot apparently was looking at a a380 in the sky went off centre line over grass and go around
My mom was working and watched it that day lmfao
And I think I saw sparks on the runway... maybe the tail or number 4 engine touched the ground...
Perfect example where just because you see in wide format, does not mean you see in high definition.
Good job going arround, honestly
Dynasty, cool callsign
Wow, that seemed to be wild
Ouch, the airport footage was telling - looked like an unstable approach, TOGA was a mess too.
Kudos
His English is really good.
Much better than his cousin from Air China. Lol
His English is much better than my Mandarin, agreed.
They are a Taiwan airline. They’re not Chinese.
essel23fly friendly reminder：taiwan province is a part of China
Max Chen well.. that depends on who you ask. Taiwan says it’s a sovereign country. China says it’s part of China. I was just saying China Airlines is based in Taiwan.
In general, most Taiwainese think of themselves as their own country, most chinese are taught that taiwan is a long lost comrade which one day will rejoin the mainland.
I hope there Will be a New video when there are explanation of what happened. I know there are a few experts who loves this channel as much as I do. That can maybe share some light over this incident to us who are still dreaming of flying😁
From another comment, I assume it's correct since other comments also mention it as the cause "This flight was carrying out an Autoland, suspected LOC signal interference at flare height causes the AP flew the airplane off the center line. Crew initiated an AP coupled GA but the maneuver rate was too slow, Capt. took over and went around at last second manually".
Wow..Dynasty almost bit the bullet.
Power in, carb heat cold, climb out pitch, flaps to go...
Got to give pilot credit for at least sounding cool in that situation. This video doesn't show it but he must have been very close to stall because other video shows steep ascent with a quick leveling input while still over runway.
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check, check aaaand check.
Was it a cargo aircraft? I've seen a comment labeling it as such.
I was at Ohare on this very day at about this time what a coincidence
No better than most of my landings in FS 2004. You wanna make a video about one of those ?
Well, at least he (finally) went around rather than duke it out with the ground the rest of the way.
I'm not a pilot, but wondering how this could have happened? Pilot not paying attention during landing, or wind issues?
Chinese quality 100% CHECKED!
If the PIC had not pushed the nose over at 5:50 when the (r) wing dropped it could have been unrecoverable. Looking out the windshield as you break out of the ceiling also helps.
I had a "last minute deviation " once, happened while landing an A380 heavy on a bike path.........
I was just there sad I missed it!
Oh. Rain was involved. That explains the "runway deviation". Probably found a bunch of mud in the engines.
hey i live 20 mins from kord its my hometown airport!
They fly just like they drive.
to my knowledge, the flight crew planned to do an Autoland but somehow gone wrong.
s9360321 Not many are privy to such knowledge, were you in the jumpseat?
No way this was an autoland.
my company still operates some B744Fs, and issued a notice to remind the flight crew to be vigilant when conducting an autoland.
If that's how autoland works, better for it to be the back-up to the primary pilots.
s9360321 Yes, a noticie to be vigilant, would surely have some reasons. Unwarranted disconnect, or inaccuracies, etc., No way of knowing, at the present, what this crew had briefed or planned for their landing approach. Other, than the radio call, that he was on the ILS for 10L. Let us wait for the final report.
Butter.
China Airlines (Taiwan) has had a shockingly poor safety record. Almost lost another 747 on this one. I always wonder why China Airlines has trouble with safety since Taiwan is such a well organized and safe place.
This is not really the case any more. Last hull loss was a 737 in 2007, a fire on ground. Last fatality was 2002 on a 747. Not spectacular, but 11 years without an incident of note is pretty good.
As far as this video is concerned, go around was delayed. They should have figured they were off center long before they did some lawn mowing with their left gear. Good it was saved in the end.
Point taken. Compared to so many other airlines, its a poor record. I still remember the Dynasty 006 incident from '85! Anyway, my candidate for worst safety airline right now is Asiana.
And worse yet, they want FAA certification for a Chinese made aircraft to fly over our great land.
Steven Horne is there something wrong with getting a Chinese made airframe certified by the FAA?
MK KM It appears you have done some research, well done!
windshock : Why are you running (go around)?
If the simulation is anywhere close I would have to say he had a micro burst that pushed him sideways
Diagram looked like 5 runways did the airport actually have that many?
I know there are flight simulators but are there ATC simulators?
Is the training in china just sub par for pilots or do they not maintain the aircraft? Im just saying because the past couple of years China airways has been having a lot of these "small" incidents that seem to be pilot error or bad training. I understand the language barrier comes into play sometimes but landing off the runway or lining up your approach onto a taxi way doesnt seem like a language problem.
you mean the airlines in China or china airlines itself
Andy just airlines out of china in general
Not surprised that it was China airlines.