Early Indians by Tony Joseph explains in a simple manner the complexity of who are Indians. It summarizes the phenomena quite well. This does not mean that the book dos not have certain flaws. It has at least two flaws which were exposed by further research. Flaw No. 1 - The second wave of migration from Iran was Iranian agriculturists and hence agriculture came to Harappa/ India from Iran. This has been disproven by the DNA analysis of the Rakhigarhi skeleton dated 2500 BC which shows that the Harappan people did not have Iranian farmer DNA, rather they had Iranian DNA which preceded Iranian farmers as well as Iranian hunter gatherers. For some reason Tony Joseph seems keen to suggest that Indian agriculture has Iranian roots. Caution: The new study is based on one skeleton and for the study findings to be taken seriously, the number needs to go up to 100 or more. Flaw No. 2 - Tony Joseph needlessly gets into the Saraswati debate and even distorts that debate.. The question around Saraswati is whether it existed as a real river and if yes, which river is/was it. Instead TJ links Saraswati and the Aryan migration. He says that some people are trying to prove that Harappa and Vedic is the same by bringing up Saraswati. I don't think that is the real question. Given the emotional and political nature of the Vedic concept, most 'experts' align themselves to one or the other side of the debate. TJ is guilty of the same. Whereas his effort to summarize is good, his inclination to take sides is not. Hopefully he will come up with a post script based on new research. In general I recommend the book but advise readers to be cautious in believing everything that the book says.
Did that guy really ask if Muslims really aren't different from other Indians genetically? Does he not know that Islam is a religion and not a race or physical group?
Islam was not adopted but was forced. That 'forceful activity' in history is recorded with killings, conquests, forced sexual activities, selling hindus as slaves, genocides and completely erasing native gene pool with new gene pool
Borat is a cousin of Indians after all. I always wondered the similarities between Indians and borat. Now the doubt is cleared. Indians also want to rename their country to Borat.
read your article in BBC, gotta say, worst read. Overall it was like nationalist, RSS, BJP, Minister of Indian Parliament, Hindu, Very Hindu, Anti-White, Casteism, Brahmin, Anti-Catholic and lots of wings attached based words, rather than bringing data backed by research. Was it about fighting Hindu Nationalist or solving you quest?
I am not sure why you guys bring a religious-cultural notion like the one , Hindutwa- the people of India are mixed and there were huge migrations in the past - first of all from Africa and then from the Iran ( or from around Iranian mountains) and then from the Steppes, lastly from the Southeast Asia -- Aryan is just one migration ( not invasion, admittedly) but heavily skewed in favor of men of Steppes - Hindutwa is just a religious slogan !!
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His closing comments on the origins and dangers of a mono-focused nationalism are very good.
Early Indians by Tony Joseph explains in a simple manner the complexity of who are Indians. It summarizes the phenomena quite well. This does not mean that the book dos not have certain flaws. It has at least two flaws which were exposed by further research.
Flaw No. 1 - The second wave of migration from Iran was Iranian agriculturists and hence agriculture came to Harappa/ India from Iran. This has been disproven by the DNA analysis of the Rakhigarhi skeleton dated 2500 BC which shows that the Harappan people did not have Iranian farmer DNA, rather they had Iranian DNA which preceded Iranian farmers as well as Iranian hunter gatherers. For some reason Tony Joseph seems keen to suggest that Indian agriculture has Iranian roots. Caution: The new study is based on one skeleton and for the study findings to be taken seriously, the number needs to go up to 100 or more.
Flaw No. 2 - Tony Joseph needlessly gets into the Saraswati debate and even distorts that debate.. The question around Saraswati is whether it existed as a real river and if yes, which river is/was it. Instead TJ links Saraswati and the Aryan migration. He says that some people are trying to prove that Harappa and Vedic is the same by bringing up Saraswati. I don't think that is the real question.
Given the emotional and political nature of the Vedic concept, most 'experts' align themselves to one or the other side of the debate. TJ is guilty of the same. Whereas his effort to summarize is good, his inclination to take sides is not. Hopefully he will come up with a post script based on new research.
In general I recommend the book but advise readers to be cautious in believing everything that the book says.
It is a revelation of sorts
Wonderful
Interesting to know that all are of African descent....the Yamnaya.... 4 major global forced migrations etc.,
Did that guy really ask if Muslims really aren't different from other Indians genetically? Does he not know that Islam is a religion and not a race or physical group?
Islam was not adopted but was forced. That 'forceful activity' in history is recorded with killings, conquests, forced sexual activities, selling hindus as slaves, genocides and completely erasing native gene pool with new gene pool
Muslims is not a religion Islam is or rather a political ideology
Borat is a cousin of Indians after all. I always wondered the similarities between Indians and borat. Now the doubt is cleared. Indians also want to rename their country to Borat.
The intricate and scientific evidence presented in his book shatters the dogmatic concept of Indian demography as we know it.
The origin of R1a gene is still not clear. and here's the journalist with his book already prepared.
Looks like only thing that is not biased in Manthan is Irani Chai and Samosas. I miss them!
Not convincing talk. I have his book. But i got one information. Africans left Africa from Djibouti
Genetic difference between a monkey and human is also very little.
Andaman jawar chesta.
I regret reading his book. Worst use of 700 rs.
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read your article in BBC, gotta say, worst read. Overall it was like nationalist, RSS, BJP, Minister of Indian Parliament, Hindu, Very Hindu, Anti-White, Casteism, Brahmin, Anti-Catholic and lots of wings attached based words, rather than bringing data backed by research.
Was it about fighting Hindu Nationalist or solving you quest?
First of all this guy doesnt know what the theory of OIT really says second he doesn't understand what Hindutva really means.
Jann na bhi nahi hai bahut pareshan ho chuke hai is hindutwa se
I am not sure why you guys bring a religious-cultural notion like the one , Hindutwa- the people of India are mixed and there were huge migrations in the past - first of all from Africa and then from the Iran ( or from around Iranian mountains) and then from the Steppes, lastly from the Southeast Asia --
Aryan is just one migration ( not invasion, admittedly) but heavily skewed in favor of men of Steppes -
Hindutwa is just a religious slogan !!