Alec! Good on you! Your podcast is THE BEST! I spent some of the April 8th solar eclipse with Dave, Zulu, Lowry, and others in Salamanca, NY! Wonderful people with big hearts and great humor. I attended flatoberfest 2023 and I’m going with my 80yo mom again this September. Fun, exciting, and heart based event period. I don’t care what shape it is, or isn’t, I just know nothing is what “they” tell us! ❤
@@K8_Is_Awake Lowry got video of Dave's talk with the NASA/Hubble guy. A clip is on his @iamthereckoner channel. You can see my left arm behind Dave. I was holding Alex's camera.
Ok I thought Flat Earth was ridiculous- now Im questioning it...I recall intuiting that Globe =Theory seemed odd and a small school age child, but I went along with it of course, now I'm suddenly recalling the feeling of initial bamboozlement...kids often feel the truth.
One of the best pieces of evidence for its truth is the Wikipedia entry posted by RUclips under the window, dumping on it. As I now say, "If Wikipedia says it's false, it's probably true."
Wikipedia got a lot of truths... but that's "their" tactics. They will create and establish a "Fact" website or organization and put their propaganda in there so lazy people will say "Oh Wikipedia says 1+1 = 2, they saying facts so Earth must be a Ball. Just like what they did in Science. Science is real but they put the Pseudo-Scientific Space/Evolution etc. in there so they got plus credibility. Religion also use that tactics, like killing is bad, stealing is bad, they both right then they will put some bullshit in the list and people believe it was true also.
Counterargument: the fact that audiences of limited reach channels such as this understand Wikipedia has been weaponised against them means this tool could be used to legitimise a topic such as this for those audiences by reinforcing the opposing narrative.
In the UK you can stand on the shore of the east coast and on a clear day you can see across the sea to Holland. As a kid I stood there countless times everyone saying "look, you can see Europe" binoculars, and cameras out..... now, I realise it's about 100 miles away and would be completely hidden by the 'curve' and it absolutely isnt.....
You may be confusing the coast of France with the coast of the Netherlands which is much farther north. From the tops of the Cliffs of Dover at 350 feet up on a good day you can see 23 miles, and the coast of France is about 21 miles away. This can explain why the coast is visible. Now walk down to the beach below and you cannot see France.
so excited! Dave is the goat for Flat Earth 101. once you follow & want more scientific: witsitgetsit - aether cosmology - space audits - man of stone - jeranism
Thanks Alec! I have heard Flat Earth Dave a few times, this interview the best of them all. And, BTW, it was that same rather famous Big Bus of an M.D. that opened my eyes to the lies of cosmology. Ever so gently, he pried them open!
@@ilikeRUNEIt has been filmed and observed by Flat Earthers. I have seen it myself. That doesn't mean it is orbiting at 17,000 miles an hour in a space vacuum, or that it has anybody on it.
@@ilikeRUNE Jeran has shown his footage of it, i have seen it. I'm not saying it is 250 miles high and people are on it, we wouldn't be able to see that. I am saying, you can track something that they call the ISS and see it go over you, it looks like the ISS. It could very easily be a plane dressed up to look like the ISS, i don't know.
Hi, I just started watching this and I feel blessed to have you both together! VERY grateful Alec and David 🙏. It's going to be a VERY special evening.
Once again I'm listening to my good friend David Weiss getting the truth out here again! He never stops folks! We are not moving and the earth is horizontal! Get on board today!
Yes indeed Dave, we are the creators with the power of All That Is within! Imagine the future you want and it will be! When we know all that is not true, the truth will reveal itself effortlessly. Great conversation and thank you Alec and Dave!🙏🙏❤❤
not going to defend anything anymore i’m like hmmmmm interesting and have zero attachment staying open and curious is a fantastic way to live life these days !
Exactly. It's not like you need to fit into a box and always subscribe to one side or the other. What about just being open the mystery of life and not believe people fully, or not at all, but just hearing them out.
@@DuckHollowHomestead yes!!! i 👏🏼👏🏼 not one of us has all the answers… others don’t have to be all wrong or all right. we all have something to add , and we learn soooooo much more when we remain curious
Honestly, I've been on the fence about all of this the last few years. Same as Alec - having a child-like curiosity about it. This interview has blown my mind a bit, and I'm definitely going to dive deeper into the various facets he mentions. Thank you for this!
Alec, great job bringing this up to the front line of the discussion around finding out the truth. This is in indeed a crucial point, if not the elephant in the room that needs to be addressed. Loving the interview which is opening up a new direction of research on my side. Great job as always... keep bringing stuff up.
28:06 oh wow, so this explains levitation and provides some answers to how the pyramids were built. Loving this conversation- glad I’ve got another 2.5 hours to go.
Can anybody help me understand What Dave iş talking about at 2:41:00 about a gyro flying in the southern "hemisphere". I would like to understand his view but I cannot imagine. Probably because I am not a native speaker. Is there any illustration or video on his idea? Thanks.
Alec, this was an amazing interview of flat earth Dave who I already follow and admire. Thanks Dave for clipping that ridiculous interview you did a while back to 3 mins 😹🤣. That was a disaster!
Do you know of an accurate population clock or metric? The claims of people gone (YT) during historic times is suspect. The claim of the "global" population is suspect. I'm on the hunt for accurate information about many historic events based on population/area/density. Thank you for this channel.
As usual, on this topic, there are really a lot of questions left about the globe, yet a few things the FE people don't sound convincing at all or are just sketchy. Southern stars are one example. I''d have to add that to the pile of things only globe earth explains
I am only 10 mimutes in. If I remember the article correctly, decades ago a bloke interviewed a 102 year old woman about the earth and she was adamant she was taught at school the earth was flat. Then the curriculum changed and her children and grandchildren ridiculed her when she spoke of it and I am sorry now that I cannot reference it, or bring their names to mind.
Carbon dating has been falsified many times over. Some scientists took some remains of an alleged dinosaur and sent it to be tested and it came back at something like 5 or 10,000 years old. When they then told the lab it was dinosaur remains, they were thrown out and banned from ever using that lab again
It’s not that there’s “inconsistency”. It’s complete nonsense, you need a control for dating. You can’t pick up a rock and count the carbon atom replacements and then say it’s this many years old, that’s insane and crazy. Don’t get me started on tree rings either haha
1:01:30 the light rays coming through clouds has perplexed me all my life and everyone I ask about it just says atmospheric refraction like they know what they’re taking about 😂. No-one stops and says oh yeah!
. Because they've never been to Antarctica or sailed or flown around it. My cousin has been to Antarctica and had a hard time sleeping there because of the 24 hr light. I haven't seen anything here that disproves ball earth or proves flatearth.
35:15 Dave should mention density and buoyancy of an object in the medium it is located and how that sorts out how things fall or rise along with the electrostatic and magnetic forces.
There are more factors that affect matter in our reality. That is why I say that matter is in a specific state of buoyancy. And it is positioned based on this.
Everywhere you go on the earth the dimensions of dome above you stays same. If earth was flat the the height of sky would change and as you got nearer the edge it would get lower and lower.
What will David weiss say if he takes up will Duffys offer to go to Antarctica abd see the 24 hour sun ? Will he give everyone their money back for that crappy fake earth map ?
@@FlatEarthDavidWeiss This is not evidence of a firmament dome. The dome the encyclopedia referenced was a 13,000 foot mountain in Antartica that looked like a dome.
@@kordelas2514 Readily observable real life things can easily prove that the earth is spherical. Polaris is only visible in the northern hemisphere. Sigma Octantis is only visible in the southern hemisphere. This is only possible on a spherical earth. Impossible on a flat earth. Star trails rotate opposite directions in the northern hemisphere compared to the southern hemispheres. This is only possible on a spherical earth. Impossible on a flat earth. The entire world views the same side of the moon, which is "upside down" in the northern hemisphere compared to the southern hemisphere. Other than being upside down, the exact same face of the moon is seen from both hemispheres and remains the exact same orientation from moonrise until moonset. This is only possible on a spherical earth. Impossible on a flat earth. I can fly from Sydney to Santiago in a direct 12.5 hour flight which is only possible on a spherical earth. There are numerous other flights also only possible on a spherical earth. Impossible on a flat earth. There is a horizon which things go out of view over. They can not ever be "brought back" into view by zooming in, but can be seen again with more elevation which allows you to see further over the curve. You can always see the top of items over the horizon before you can see the bottom. This is only possible on a spherical earth. Impossible on a flat earth. A lunar eclipse always shows a round shadow of the earth on the moon as the earth passes between the sun and the moon. It is always a round shadow regardless of where on earth it can be seen from or the timing of that lunar eclipse. This is only possible on a spherical earth. Impossible on a flat earth. Foucault’s pendulum proves Earth’s rotation. In the Northern Hemisphere, the pendulum rotates clockwise. In the Southern Hemisphere, it rotates counterclockwise. The pendulum turns faster if it is closer to the pole. On the Equator, the pendulum does not rotate. This is only possible on a spherical earth. Impossible on a flat earth. There is 24 hour 7 days a week daylight at the south pole, whilst there is 24 hours 7 day a week with no daylight at the north pole. These alternate with the seasons. This is only possible on a spherical earth. Impossible on a flat earth. Antarctica has been circumnavigated, crossed, visited, and mapped by thousands upon thousands of people. This is only possible on a spherical earth. Impossible on a flat earth. During a total solar eclipse, the Moon’s side facing Earth does not receive sunlight but still receives light reflected from Earth’s surface. The phenomenon is called Earthshine and can be captured using a camera with a long exposure. This is only possible on a spherical earth. Impossible on a flat earth. Known observable time zones around the world (based on the suns position in the sky) only work on a spherical earth, the known observable time zones are impossible on a flat earth. Constantly trying unsuccessfully to disprove the earth being spherical still doesn't prove the earth is flat, in the same way that proving my car is not red doesn't prove that it is white. Flat earthers can't even produce a flat earth map or model with any form of scale on it (and are not even interested in asking themselves why that is). This task should be one of the easiest things to do (and verify) to prove flat earth, but it is impossible. Every flat earth model ever presented features a "local sun" being claimed at between 3000 - 6000 miles above the earth's surface, which has a radius of approximately 4000 miles on that same model. Basic mathematics tells us that the "local sun" at that altitude and at that distance would never ever meet the horizon (let alone disappear below it as can be observed anywhere on earth on a daily basis) and in fact the closest it would come would be approximately 14 degrees above the horizon at it's lowest point. The flat earth models debunk the flat earth all by themselves. There is zero actual proof of a flat earth. Flat earth simply doesn't exist.
Youre always looking for a container because you don't understand that gravity includes electrostatic forces too . If you understand the atom "model" youd know that all elements and compounds are built with many smaller components including space or aether in-between such sub atomic particles . You understand density with liquids but you just cant grasp the same concept with gases surrounding our planet . Just like you think i walk upside down when im in Australia.
@@Eman_Puedama haha are you saying these guys are "authority"? There's no such thing as "authority", and I am not saying they are right, I am saying they're discussing these very questions, enlighten us why their logical thinking in this case would be flawed.
there is a physical reality with which we interact... it can be qualified and quantified... this physical reality abides by certain rules... A lot of people like to say 'water seeks level' but almost no one will address the query of 'why' does water displace 'down' to seek level in this contained earth system environment?... Well we know for sure that if you accelerate a container with a gas/liquid combo the more dense liquid will always displace towards the source of the motion pushing the less dense air in the direction of the motion... Every time... no exceptions... there is no displacement of various states of matter in freefall, hence there is no acceleration downward in freefall... and if the object in freefall is not moving then something else is... there is no way around this reality... The effects that we attribute to 'gravity' ie. our weight, our sense of orientation and directionality and the pressure/density gradient in which we live... these are all consequents of motion... motion is literally the only way to produce these effects... 'To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction'... The effects attributed to 'gravity' are the re-action to the action of the constant upward motion of our contained earth system environment... Amanda here does a great job of explaining... ruclips.net/video/Ts2noI0FXrM/видео.htmlsi=B1Eq19SCjSPzRyH6
Electrostatic acceleration, which is measurable at 100 volts for every meter above ground level (Coulomb's Law) can explain the downward vector. The fact that we can manipulate the downward vector of various objects using a Van de Graaf generator demonstrates this.
@@davidj231 There is NO downward vector... there is NO downward acceleration in freefall.... Zero... Therein lies the problem for a claim of 'stationary' earth... water WILL always displace when accelerated... No exceptions... and there is zero displacement of water in freefall... no displacement= no acceleration... Now that you understand that water in a container will always displace towards the source of the motion of that container, pushing the less dense gases to layer out according to density in the direction of the motion... You know that 'Water seeks level' ...Now ask yourself 'WHAT' is making water displace down to seek level pushing the less dense gases to layer out according to density in our pressure/density gradient?,... are you going to remain intellectually honest? This is observable, testable and repeatable by anyone... ruclips.net/video/q6BP3BtnMvo/видео.htmlsi=8vAVUbk59XIzyh9Z
@@davidj231 You are standing on a scale... it is registering your weight... Is it your feet pushing down on the scale or the scale pushing up against your feet?... whichever answer you give requires. a 'force'... Are you implying that 'electrostatics' is pushing you down on the scale?....
@@EarthshipBear Electrostatics is the force that holds all "matter" together. It's what gives elements their atomic numbers (weight). Of course electrostatics is "pushing" you down on the scale. What the mainstream refers to as "gravity" is nothing but electrostatic acceleration as defined in Coulombe's Law. Mainstream scientism even admits that "gravity" is 10^36 times weaker than the electrostatic force. That is a hostile witness's way of admitting that "gravity" isn't real. You really should go watch some of Austin Witsit's videos explaining gravity - this stuff is elementary.
@@Eman_Puedama I love Tom Cowan, he's funny and smart. I know he is querying our history. And, I am questioning that and cosmology. Both faked, methinks.
What Weiss says at @1:40:30 is false. Wavelengths of 100mghz cannot travel further than the limitations imposed by the curve of the earth. A particular _signal_ that's carried on a high frequency waveband quite commonly is, however, broadcast over long distances, but that's only because the original signal is repeatedly retransmitted by relay stations, cell towers, satellites, etc.
I used to be curious perhaps uneasy about flat earth and then a friend said does it really matter flat or round your living a good fun life and I thought yes I'll wait and find out when the time is mapped for me. Until then I have energy to allow for more immediate matter re😊 my attention like how amazing the sky is and the planet flat or round
Does it make any difference being ignorant of all the true facts in life, you bet it does. That is how they get away with it all, people not being bothered to question them.
@@lesleywills1 for me, the importance lies in recognizing that there is a group of people/entities, at the top of the societal pyramid, who have seeded lies about EVERYTHING in modern life that we consider to be the 'bedrock' of our understanding of reality. I don't know the shape of the Earth but I do know that it's not a globe with a circumference of 24,901 miles, floating in a 10-¹⁷ torr void.
@@lesleywills1I'm sensing transurfing 😌 I agree with you, we know what's going on, if it's flat or not it actually doesn't change for us anything, might be that for those "asleep" could make a difference but I can't make others change if they don't want. For me it doesn't matter either, I enjoy life anyway ❤
For anyone stuck on WHY???? From what I've gathered 1) Like he said many times. Put a lion in a 100 acre fence hes gonna live life eat & shit he'll eventually come to that fence, sniff it & go back to eating and shitting. But put a human in that fence idc if its 25,000 miles there gonna wanna go to that other side, there hiding land & resources.. if there was infinite resources there would be no scarcity they couldn't charge you for food energy and bottled water... 2) there main thing is too make you think there's no god/creator people used to look up in the sky & see God & the heavens, now with space being in your mind trillions of galaxies which has billions of solar systems which has millions of planets.. (not all but alot of people) start to lose there belief in a God you think well with all the possibilities there's a chance we are just random. I mean maybe we're just the lucky ones that somehow had all the right ingredients to make a habital life you begin to think its all by chance... again not everyone but alot of people. Me included i went from raised as a Christian to questioning ya know how do I know I'm right what if the buddest is right, maybe the Jewish.. i began to think ya know maybe its all just made up to give people comfort, eventually with all the diff possibilitites of space and other life from what I've seen in movies & cartoons that of course were just the lucky ones.. were just random. People used to look up at night and imagine God and the heavens above, now you look up and even though you can only see pitch black and stars thats all you see, there's nothing but blackness & stars, but at same time ANYTHING & EVERYTHING you can imagine is up there even tho you don't see anything. THE ONLY THING THATS BEEN TO SPACE IS YOUR IMAGINENATION. They've Tried to distant the relationship and possibility of a god/creator. Cause once you see his creation you can not deny him. I'm not religious anymore but I know there is a creator. Trigger warning!! (My own journey) I've came to realize that No religion is all the way true but they all have truth in them. I believe they've divided religion to divide us and too further there agenda and to dilute the creator. They don't wanna us to see how special we are. Its why our medical & health system is bet on getting us sick & profit why they poison & dumb down the population they don't want you in touch with nature & the world its why alcohol is socially accepted, but weed & psydelics are frowned apon, those open & expand your mind, they put you in touch with the world & nature. Its why they push pharmaceutical pills down everyone throats. And hide natural remedies on the internet... You cant hide our creator or a God if there really was a dome firmament, something you could physically see or touch there would be no denying it. I mean people would be lined up banging on the wall why why why what who and why??? If they were to find out tomorrow.. I hope this helps. Again just from what I've gathered there are many many reasons why.... We can all agree there are people in charge trying to control us.. If you were trying to control a population if you were the leader, you think its be a good idea to tell them where they came from and how they've came to be??? Or would it be smarter to tell them the complete opposite?
A lot of these people say we're under a dome, which would mean we're even more enclosed than we would be otherwise. The "making us think we're insignificant" argument falls down because there are plenty of people from the Discovery Institute to Rupert Sheldrake who aren't materialists and also understand we're on a globe. Those are just two disparate examples. I could mention scores more, past and present.
When I say I could mention scores more, I mean that just off the top of my head I could mention at least scores more. In reality, there are 1000s of historical figures who weren't materialists and know we're on a globe. Grifters like Dave Weiss seem to be exploiting some people's unfortunate ignorance of history.
@gerontodon I didn't say there was one 100% but if there was that's not true either cause we don't know how big or how far out it goes or how much it covers... it could go on infinite, might not ever end! "Oh that's crazy, thats impossible" outer space is endless it never ends & is "forever expanding" so can't claim that. If your knew to this I can see how one might think that we're inna tiny little snow globe so we're trapped but we don't know for sure that's your preconceived belief I encourage you to be more open minded
@gerontodon I didn't say there was a dome 100% but even if there was that's not true because we don't know how big or how far or much it covers?? It could go on forever or infinite & never end youll say "that's crazy or impossible" but let's not forget outerspace claims to never end, be endless & "forever expanding" 😅🤦♂️. So you can't claim that. You saying that is just your preconceived belief I encourage you to be more open minded & research more.
@@Gdonnald Going by the fact that you think the globe equals materialism, I already know that I've researched more than you. I expect you think heliocentrism is synonymous with the globe and that the controversy in the early modern age was whether the earth was flat or not, when practically everyone had known it was a globe for centuries, and the actual controversy was whether the sun went round the earth or not. That's another distortion of history these grifters push and which gullible people unfortunately lap up unquestioningly.
And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. Genesis 1:6-8
Thanks for having the courage. Subb'ed. The earth is actually not "flat" - it's a stationary, level, topographical plane. A realm. We're not on a spinning ball, folks.
People who talk about flat earth use the bible as a reference, but.. The Holly Bible is not a historical novelized drama, it's holds esoteric, spiritual and mystical knowledge that can only be deciphered by those that hold the key, it was never intended to be read literally.. It contains numerology, cosmology, astrometry, psychology, neurology and anatomy. Only those who can decipher ancient texts can find the hidden meaning, Even within the Holy Bible it says that it's an allegory and that Christ says he speaks in parables. Matthew 13:10-11 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. Psalm 78: Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth. I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old: Which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us. Luke 6:46-49 “Why do you call me 'Lord, Lord,' and not do what I tell you? Everyone who comes to me and hears my words and does them, I will show you what he is like: he is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered. Luke 17:20-21 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you!!
Of course, it's important to remember that the bible is composed of only those books that the authorities in the third century determined should be included. And that was at the time that the Christian authorities had become the rulers of the earthly world. And, the KING James version is called that for a reason: the earthly ruler, king of England, authorized and oversaw the first official translation (most likely the first ever) of the then recognized books of the bible into English. So it is a source NOT untainted by the ruling elites of the various eras.
@@Ruby-ev7wm What do you believe? Are you saying that the sovereign God and creator of the universe has allowed his WORD to be corrupted by his puny creation? God's word, even in all its translations, is exactly what he meant it to be. And Rory Williams 9692 should have answered that JESUS is not only the key, he is also the WORD!
As a host, please stop interrupting the resource person all the time. There were so many things he was discussing that didn't get the full treatment because you kept cutting him off.
Poor David. He thinks that if your travelling west around his neodymium magnet mountain in the middle of his 100 km lake rhat nobody would notice that the rudder was set to the right ???????? West is straight. Not a curve. Lolol
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH another globot that doesnt even know his own model. East and West are circles on both models. Many ship captains trying to dead recon east or west in the southern oceans have commented that they constantly have to correct to the north. Funny thing is they should have to correct to the south on a globe.
The Antarctic circle has a circumference of ~16,000 miles. A 16,000 mile circumference will have a diameter of approximately 5,100 miles or a radius of about 2,500 miles. The Antarctic cup Ocean race inside the 60 degree latitude is ~14,000 nautical mile circuit or ~16,000 actual miles. It takes approximately 100 days to navigate. Flatearthers claim the diameter of their map, as defined by an alleged ice wall of 25,000 miles which gives a circumference of ~78,500 miles. Therefore in a flat earth version of Antartica’s ice wall, to circumnavigate, a sailboat would have to maintain 32 mph constant 24 hour speed day and night for 100 days straight, an impossible feat in sailing. Every single documented circumnavigation around Antarctica has documented course corrections. If they were following the flat earth version of an Antarctica ice wall then those corrections would be moving away from the ice, otherwise you would sail right into the ice wall. SciManDan debunks flat earth: ruclips.net/video/muoQW37SYIo/видео.htmlsi=EbCK6M2ilm9idKvz
@@ronaldhollis6044 You actually watch scimanboydan? He is a joke. Have you ever looked into the sailboat race you speak of? Did you know on their own website they listed one of the legs of the journey at 32,000 miles. Thats bigger than the equator! Did you know now that several of the sailors are saying the earth is flat? Did you know that according to GPS they were treveling at an average speed of 4MPH. NASA runs GPS. Were they going 4MPH. (distance / time) or perhaps they were traveling much further than GPS says? Why are all sailing speed records captured in the north? Did you know that they travel about 200 miles further is a day in the north than the south and they claim its windier in the south. You wont do it but anyone else reading this and looking for the truth, check out the "circumnavigation" section on the FAQ page of the flat earth clock app. FlatEarthDave
@@FlatEarthDavidWeissdirectly east or west is straight Dave . The only curve is for tge curvature of the earth but that doesn't effect the steering at all
The sun emits light in every direction including parallel. All parts of the sun emits light in all directions... you think its like a flash light . How nauve.
I disagree with many things Professor Dave talks about . But the truth is that he absolutely demolished you and your model . Yes he was a bit rude but he was also correct . Alec the way you described yourself watching that debate shows youre a flerf . So just own it instead of sitting on the fence . This has nothing to do with Germ Theory but uou guys have lost alot of credibility if you fall for these really weak arguments .. stop.lying about the guidestones . Youre such a liar David ..just like you wont give the 6 bitcoins
@@FlatEarthDavidWeisssorry man if I upset you but you can't explain the stars rotation by using the word declination . Also you should look up compasses and the different types of compasses required for different regions of the world . Stuck to debunking nasa . Even musk . But you're wrong on all earth stuff. All of them
@denzaharo9326 You shouldn’t lie and then pat yourself on the back for it, constant logical fallacy’s is no way to live your life little brother, Hope you turn your life around!
Can you give an example of arguments for the globe that you think are fallacies such as affirming the consequent or begging the question please? I suspect that you basically (intentionally) misunderstand what those fallacies are. If someone argues that viruses _must_ exist because people who've been around each other often get sick at the same time, then yes, that is affirming the consequent. However, pointing to the numerous observations that are consistent with a globe and inconsistent with a flat earth is _not_ affirming the consequent because you're not saying "If globe, you'd expect to see stars rotate in opposite directions when viewed from the two respective hemispheres, You do see that, therefore globe" Everyone knows that there could _hypothetically_ be another reason for that observation that's consistent with a flat earth. No-one has provided one though (at least not a coherent one), and so it's reasonable to go with the most rational one. How do you expect anyone to do science without inferring causes for what is observed? How can you even get through life without doing so? If you look out of the window and see that the streets are wet, there are puddles in the gutter, and water dripping from the trees, do you conclude it's been raining, or do you postpone judgement as to the cause because there hypothetically _might_ be another one? You know the answer perfectly well, so stop being silly - or shilly (whichever one it is).
Well said . The typical flat earther will tell you that it could've been a water leak from a fire hydrant . Another might tell you that he'd ve surprised that the water stayed on any surface at all since we're spinning at ? miles per hour . Lol.
Most important video you've made thus far, and congrats on having the courage to do so. All will know the Truth very soon... we are all one. 💜
Alec! Good on you! Your podcast is THE BEST! I spent some of the April 8th solar eclipse with Dave, Zulu, Lowry, and others in Salamanca, NY! Wonderful people with big hearts and great humor. I attended flatoberfest 2023 and I’m going with my 80yo mom again this September. Fun, exciting, and heart based event period. I don’t care what shape it is, or isn’t, I just know nothing is what “they” tell us! ❤
The rooftop meetup was epic. What a phenomenal day. Flat smacking the NASA guy near the end of the night was the icing on the cake.
@@billkeithchannel hi! I didn’t stay through to the end but that sounds fantastic! 💜🔵
@@K8_Is_Awake Lowry got video of Dave's talk with the NASA/Hubble guy. A clip is on his @iamthereckoner channel. You can see my left arm behind Dave. I was holding Alex's camera.
Ok I thought Flat Earth was ridiculous- now Im questioning it...I recall intuiting that Globe =Theory seemed odd and a small school age child, but I went along with it of course, now I'm suddenly recalling the feeling of initial bamboozlement...kids often feel the truth.
Flat earth videos are very important, visuals are very important.
Specially NASA fake videos 😅
One of the best pieces of evidence for its truth is the Wikipedia entry posted by RUclips under the window, dumping on it.
As I now say, "If Wikipedia says it's false, it's probably true."
That's exactly the kind of bad reasoning that the discredit-by-association FE psyop thrives on. You've fallen for a classic double bluff.
@@Eman_Puedama We know that you are a part of GE cult.
Wikipedia got a lot of truths... but that's "their" tactics. They will create and establish a "Fact" website or organization and put their propaganda in there so lazy people will say "Oh Wikipedia says 1+1 = 2, they saying facts so Earth must be a Ball. Just like what they did in Science. Science is real but they put the Pseudo-Scientific Space/Evolution etc. in there so they got plus credibility. Religion also use that tactics, like killing is bad, stealing is bad, they both right then they will put some bullshit in the list and people believe it was true also.
Yep
Counterargument: the fact that audiences of limited reach channels such as this understand Wikipedia has been weaponised against them means this tool could be used to legitimise a topic such as this for those audiences by reinforcing the opposing narrative.
"Witsit gets it" is a great channel.
100%
In the UK you can stand on the shore of the east coast and on a clear day you can see across the sea to Holland. As a kid I stood there countless times everyone saying "look, you can see Europe" binoculars, and cameras out..... now, I realise it's about 100 miles away and would be completely hidden by the 'curve' and it absolutely isnt.....
You may be confusing the coast of France with the coast of the Netherlands which is much farther north. From the tops of the Cliffs of Dover at 350 feet up on a good day you can see 23 miles, and the coast of France is about 21 miles away. This can explain why the coast is visible. Now walk down to the beach below and you cannot see France.
Nice one Alec. Love Dave!
Mercy - that's gonna leave a mark - thanks gentlemen, great chat!
so excited! Dave is the goat for Flat Earth 101.
once you follow & want more scientific: witsitgetsit - aether cosmology - space audits - man of stone - jeranism
Thanks Alec! I have heard Flat Earth Dave a few times, this interview the best of them all. And, BTW, it was that same rather famous Big Bus of an M.D. that opened my eyes to the lies of cosmology. Ever so gently, he pried them open!
When you map the route of the ISS over a flat earth you get a flower of life pattern
There is no spoon... i mean ISS
@@ilikeRUNEIt has been filmed and observed by Flat Earthers. I have seen it myself. That doesn't mean it is orbiting at 17,000 miles an hour in a space vacuum, or that it has anybody on it.
@@FreeThinker314 what u saw is not the ISS. did u not watch their explanation on why its impossible for u to see it?
@@ilikeRUNE Jeran has shown his footage of it, i have seen it. I'm not saying it is 250 miles high and people are on it, we wouldn't be able to see that. I am saying, you can track something that they call the ISS and see it go over you, it looks like the ISS. It could very easily be a plane dressed up to look like the ISS, i don't know.
@@FreeThinker314 💯💯
Hi, I just started watching this and I feel blessed to have you both together!
VERY grateful Alec and David 🙏.
It's going to be a VERY special evening.
Once again I'm listening to my good friend David Weiss getting the truth out here again! He never stops folks! We are not moving and the earth is horizontal! Get on board today!
Hi John, I posted some Scripture that shows us the Earth is FLAT. There might be some ELECT reading these posts.
Enoch (PROPHET)
Yes indeed Dave, we are the creators with the power of All That Is within! Imagine the future you want and it will be! When we know all that is not true, the truth will reveal itself effortlessly. Great conversation and thank you Alec and Dave!🙏🙏❤❤
Best discussion ever!!!❤
Oh yeah, let's go!
not going to defend anything anymore i’m like hmmmmm interesting and have zero attachment
staying open and curious is a fantastic way to live life these days !
Check the "crash course" videos on my website. YTou will love them. FlatEarthDave
100 % agree :D
Exactly. It's not like you need to fit into a box and always subscribe to one side or the other. What about just being open the mystery of life and not believe people fully, or not at all, but just hearing them out.
@@DuckHollowHomestead yes!!! i 👏🏼👏🏼 not one of us has all the answers… others don’t have to be all wrong or all right. we all have something to add , and we learn soooooo much more when we remain curious
@@shannonlrooney Yes. And as Rumi has supposed to have said "Out there, beyond right and wrong there is a field, I will meet you..."
Hell yeah. I love this episode. Great work.
Honestly, I've been on the fence about all of this the last few years. Same as Alec - having a child-like curiosity about it. This interview has blown my mind a bit, and I'm definitely going to dive deeper into the various facets he mentions. Thank you for this!
Sounds very interesting.
Thank you so much Alec and Dave! That was an amazing discussion - loved it! You make so much sense, thank you xxx
Soo good! Couldn’t stop watching! Great chat guys
Alec, great job bringing this up to the front line of the discussion around finding out the truth. This is in indeed a crucial point, if not the elephant in the room that needs to be addressed. Loving the interview which is opening up a new direction of research on my side. Great job as always... keep bringing stuff up.
Best talk on this topic I've seen, props to Alec for knowing the questions to ask. Especially appreciate straw and steel manning the globe view.
Thx you Alec for bringing F.E. Dave to TWF community.
It’s Flat & Stationary. Period!
There is only one flat earth Dave, legendary to this consistently misshaped shaped planet!.
Listening, as I stare at the full moon through binoculars. Magical combination. 🌕🎙❤
Wonderful interview, compelling from start to finish!
Excellent interview all the way around.
Great conversation to consider, thanks!
So many parallels between FE and germ theory.
FE trained me to see the truth about germ theory…in about 10 hours….early 2020.
That's great. It was the fall of germ theory in my eyes that got me to consider FE.
@@LynnW1956 Yup...you learn to think for yourself real quick when presented with real evidence...and then own your conclusions.
@@LynnW1956 I was the exact same but reversed.
@@LynnW1956 same!!
Fe has nothing to do with germ theory . Wtfu
28:06 oh wow, so this explains levitation and provides some answers to how the pyramids were built. Loving this conversation- glad I’ve got another 2.5 hours to go.
Thank you for doing this one Alec!
Thanks for having Dave on your show!
Nice Alec!
52:12 hmmmm… a terrain theory app that bypasses all the elites’ algorithms is a good idea.
Great stuff!
Thank you for interviewing David Weiss!
Great episode! ❤
Can anybody help me understand What Dave iş talking about at 2:41:00 about a gyro flying in the southern "hemisphere". I would like to understand his view but I cannot imagine. Probably because I am not a native speaker. Is there any illustration or video on his idea? Thanks.
I’m so glad you did this Alec
Excellent
Thanks for all-ways being courageous
The app sound awesome
Thanks for your dedication Flat Earth Dave 💪
I loved your podcast episode with Rosanne
Alec, this was an amazing interview of flat earth Dave who I already follow and admire. Thanks Dave for clipping that ridiculous interview you did a while back to 3 mins 😹🤣. That was a disaster!
47:00 now I just feel daft not questioning such before 😜
Do you know of an accurate population clock or metric? The claims of people gone (YT) during historic times is suspect. The claim of the "global" population is suspect. I'm on the hunt for accurate information about many historic events based on population/area/density. Thank you for this channel.
Flat earth vs globe earth, another episode of divide and conquer.... While the house is on fire ....
A good argument to be had that's the agenda here.
As usual, on this topic, there are really a lot of questions left about the globe, yet a few things the FE people don't sound convincing at all or are just sketchy. Southern stars are one example. I''d have to add that to the pile of things only globe earth explains
Eye opening. In a world of deception, the open mind is a precious gift to self and society
I am only 10 mimutes in. If I remember the article correctly, decades ago a bloke interviewed a 102 year old woman about the earth and she was adamant she was taught at school the earth was flat. Then the curriculum changed and her children and grandchildren ridiculed her when she spoke of it and I am sorry now that I cannot reference it, or bring their names to mind.
That was me and it was in 2020. Use the video search on the app and search "102 year old"
Even people in 1950s were taught flat earth, I heard him say on Terrain Theory podcast
@@DITRH Really? How about that!
Alec, how do I take up Dave on his 6 bit coin offer to present a globe earth proof?
Just contact him. BTW I doubt that you have any valid evidence. I myself looking for it for many years, but GE believers can't provide it.
@@kordelas2514 Okay, I found it on his website. Thanks!
@@kordelas2514obviously he can’t, but let him try. It’s what gets everyone in the end haha
Looked all over for the Fake Space Blimp... Could you post it please?
On the app in the more resources section, select "Balloon Rockets"
I would love to hear an interview about the inconsistency in carbon dating and or rock formations.
Carbon dating has been falsified many times over. Some scientists took some remains of an alleged dinosaur and sent it to be tested and it came back at something like 5 or 10,000 years old. When they then told the lab it was dinosaur remains, they were thrown out and banned from ever using that lab again
Carbon dating is not scientific.
It’s not that there’s “inconsistency”. It’s complete nonsense, you need a control for dating. You can’t pick up a rock and count the carbon atom replacements and then say it’s this many years old, that’s insane and crazy. Don’t get me started on tree rings either haha
this was cool, the host wasn't lost in the bawler sauce
He certainly was not. He was just asking the questions people ignorant to the flat earth would ask.
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1:01:30 the light rays coming through clouds has perplexed me all my life and everyone I ask about it just says atmospheric refraction like they know what they’re taking about 😂. No-one stops and says oh yeah!
❤❤❤❤love Dave! ❤❤❤❤
. Because they've never been to Antarctica or sailed or flown around it. My cousin has been to Antarctica and had a hard time sleeping there because of the 24 hr light. I haven't seen anything here that disproves ball earth or proves flatearth.
Cool story. But so far no ne has proven GE. Also your cousin is not able to prove existence of Antarctica.
You probably shouldn’t take everything your cousins says as truth then. Blow the dust off your discernment and start using it.
@@kordelas2514 Stop with the "cool story" bs.
@@savedfaves Exactly. You should stop telling cool stories aka fairy tales.
hope i get to see this. 🙂
That intro was hilarious! :D
35:15 Dave should mention density and buoyancy of an object in the medium it is located and how that sorts out how things fall or rise along with the electrostatic and magnetic forces.
I usually do
There are more factors that affect matter in our reality. That is why I say that matter is in a specific state of buoyancy. And it is positioned based on this.
Much love from norway ❤😊
Great conversation! New sub from Dave
Why didn’t you mention that he’s been knighted as a Templar. 😂 is that cutting too deep?
Everywhere you go on the earth the dimensions of dome above you stays same. If earth was flat the the height of sky would change and as you got nearer the edge it would get lower and lower.
yes and that is why we aren't allowed near that perimeter, right?
What will David weiss say if he takes up will Duffys offer to go to Antarctica abd see the 24 hour sun ? Will he give everyone their money back for that crappy fake earth map ?
That is false. In the 1959 encyclopedia Americana it states the then"dome" is at 13,000 feet at 85 degrees south latitude.
@@FlatEarthDavidWeiss This is not evidence of a firmament dome. The dome the encyclopedia referenced was a 13,000 foot mountain in Antartica that looked like a dome.
@@ronaldhollis6044
Shhhhh.. Don't spoil his grift... Shills need their shillings.
Yes you can work out what we are on by looking up to the sky .
Prove that sky proves Earth's shape.
@@kordelas2514 Readily observable real life things can easily prove that the earth is spherical.
Polaris is only visible in the northern hemisphere. Sigma Octantis is only visible in the southern hemisphere. This is only possible on a spherical earth. Impossible on a flat earth.
Star trails rotate opposite directions in the northern hemisphere compared to the southern hemispheres. This is only possible on a spherical earth. Impossible on a flat earth.
The entire world views the same side of the moon, which is "upside down" in the northern hemisphere compared to the southern hemisphere. Other than being upside down, the exact same face of the moon is seen from both hemispheres and remains the exact same orientation from moonrise until moonset. This is only possible on a spherical earth. Impossible on a flat earth.
I can fly from Sydney to Santiago in a direct 12.5 hour flight which is only possible on a spherical earth. There are numerous other flights also only possible on a spherical earth. Impossible on a flat earth.
There is a horizon which things go out of view over. They can not ever be "brought back" into view by zooming in, but can be seen again with more elevation which allows you to see further over the curve. You can always see the top of items over the horizon before you can see the bottom. This is only possible on a spherical earth. Impossible on a flat earth.
A lunar eclipse always shows a round shadow of the earth on the moon as the earth passes between the sun and the moon. It is always a round shadow regardless of where on earth it can be seen from or the timing of that lunar eclipse. This is only possible on a spherical earth. Impossible on a flat earth.
Foucault’s pendulum proves Earth’s rotation. In the Northern Hemisphere, the pendulum rotates clockwise. In the Southern Hemisphere, it rotates counterclockwise. The pendulum turns faster if it is closer to the pole. On the Equator, the pendulum does not rotate. This is only possible on a spherical earth. Impossible on a flat earth.
There is 24 hour 7 days a week daylight at the south pole, whilst there is 24 hours 7 day a week with no daylight at the north pole. These alternate with the seasons. This is only possible on a spherical earth. Impossible on a flat earth.
Antarctica has been circumnavigated, crossed, visited, and mapped by thousands upon thousands of people. This is only possible on a spherical earth. Impossible on a flat earth.
During a total solar eclipse, the Moon’s side facing Earth does not receive sunlight but still receives light reflected from Earth’s surface. The phenomenon is called Earthshine and can be captured using a camera with a long exposure. This is only possible on a spherical earth. Impossible on a flat earth.
Known observable time zones around the world (based on the suns position in the sky) only work on a spherical earth, the known observable time zones are impossible on a flat earth.
Constantly trying unsuccessfully to disprove the earth being spherical still doesn't prove the earth is flat, in the same way that proving my car is not red doesn't prove that it is white.
Flat earthers can't even produce a flat earth map or model with any form of scale on it (and are not even interested in asking themselves why that is). This task should be one of the easiest things to do (and verify) to prove flat earth, but it is impossible.
Every flat earth model ever presented features a "local sun" being claimed at between 3000 - 6000 miles above the earth's surface, which has a radius of approximately 4000 miles on that same model. Basic mathematics tells us that the "local sun" at that altitude and at that distance would never ever meet the horizon (let alone disappear below it as can be observed anywhere on earth on a daily basis) and in fact the closest it would come would be approximately 14 degrees above the horizon at it's lowest point. The flat earth models debunk the flat earth all by themselves.
There is zero actual proof of a flat earth. Flat earth simply doesn't exist.
Once you see it... you can never unsee it!
Funny there's that song, "I would walk 500 miles and he would walk 500 miles just to be that man...."😮
Youre always looking for a container because you don't understand that gravity includes electrostatic forces too . If you understand the atom "model" youd know that all elements and compounds are built with many smaller components including space or aether in-between such sub atomic particles . You understand density with liquids but you just cant grasp the same concept with gases surrounding our planet . Just like you think i walk upside down when im in Australia.
Gravity and atoms are still not proven.
Have Archaix on?
Alec, how can I contact you? Or do I need to wait until your website is back up?
The star rotations prove a globe . Simple . Couplled with a 24 hour sun at BOTH poles .
This comment just shows you did not listen to the conversation.
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Why don't you enlighten us as to where his error lay? It shouldn't be a problem for you. 😅
@@Eman_Puedama what are you doing here? Listen to the conversation
@@javrri7212
So you can't answer the question.. just make an appeal to authority? Cool.
@@Eman_Puedama haha are you saying these guys are "authority"?
There's no such thing as "authority", and I am not saying they are right, I am saying they're discussing these very questions, enlighten us why their logical thinking in this case would be flawed.
Excellent
Hey I love you Dave and watch all your content,But no way can a ship be 850 meters long and 80 meters wide.Besides that keep up the good work.
Yes they can!
there is a physical reality with which we interact... it can be qualified and quantified... this physical reality abides by certain rules... A lot of people like to say 'water seeks level' but almost no one will address the query of 'why' does water displace 'down' to seek level in this contained earth system environment?... Well we know for sure that if you accelerate a container with a gas/liquid combo the more dense liquid will always displace towards the source of the motion pushing the less dense air in the direction of the motion... Every time... no exceptions... there is no displacement of various states of matter in freefall, hence there is no acceleration downward in freefall... and if the object in freefall is not moving then something else is... there is no way around this reality... The effects that we attribute to 'gravity' ie. our weight, our sense of orientation and directionality and the pressure/density gradient in which we live... these are all consequents of motion... motion is literally the only way to produce these effects... 'To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction'... The effects attributed to 'gravity' are the re-action to the action of the constant upward motion of our contained earth system environment... Amanda here does a great job of explaining... ruclips.net/video/Ts2noI0FXrM/видео.htmlsi=B1Eq19SCjSPzRyH6
Electrostatic acceleration, which is measurable at 100 volts for every meter above ground level (Coulomb's Law) can explain the downward vector. The fact that we can manipulate the downward vector of various objects using a Van de Graaf generator demonstrates this.
@@davidj231 There is NO downward vector... there is NO downward acceleration in freefall.... Zero... Therein lies the problem for a claim of 'stationary' earth... water WILL always displace when accelerated... No exceptions... and there is zero displacement of water in freefall... no displacement= no acceleration... Now that you understand that water in a container will always displace towards the source of the motion of that container, pushing the less dense gases to layer out according to density in the direction of the motion... You know that 'Water seeks level' ...Now ask yourself 'WHAT' is making water displace down to seek level pushing the less dense gases to layer out according to density in our pressure/density gradient?,... are you going to remain intellectually honest?
This is observable, testable and repeatable by anyone... ruclips.net/video/q6BP3BtnMvo/видео.htmlsi=8vAVUbk59XIzyh9Z
@@davidj231 You are standing on a scale... it is registering your weight... Is it your feet pushing down on the scale or the scale pushing up against your feet?... whichever answer you give requires. a 'force'... Are you implying that 'electrostatics' is pushing you down on the scale?....
@@EarthshipBear Electrostatics is the force that holds all "matter" together. It's what gives elements their atomic numbers (weight). Of course electrostatics is "pushing" you down on the scale. What the mainstream refers to as "gravity" is nothing but electrostatic acceleration as defined in Coulombe's Law. Mainstream scientism even admits that "gravity" is 10^36 times weaker than the electrostatic force. That is a hostile witness's way of admitting that "gravity" isn't real. You really should go watch some of Austin Witsit's videos explaining gravity - this stuff is elementary.
@@EarthshipBear ruclips.net/video/9cRWrHuPYp8/видео.html
How many times will this guy shill his crappy app????
I think i did it about 5 times. How many times will you make a globot comment and never offer any globe proof?
@@FlatEarthDavidWeissalready did. You owe me 6 bitcoins.
@@denzaharo9326 He does not owe you anything as you did not prove GE.
@@FlatEarthDavidWeisssome people are miserable lol. Keep on rocking Dave. You have woken up millions.
@@Seedavis397 you're in a coma
I'm thinking the unnamed good doctor is Dr Andrew Kaufman ❤️
Nah, I reckon it's the dear Tom Cowan. Ha, ha, maybe both.
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God, I hope not.
Kaufman has already come out and made a fool of himself. Probably Dr Tom Cowan unfortunately. He'll be the next to discredit himself .
@@Eman_Puedama I love Tom Cowan, he's funny and smart. I know he is querying our history. And, I am questioning that and cosmology. Both faked, methinks.
@@denzaharo9326still in the matrix eh?
Here we fuckin go 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Does Size and Shape Matter? featuring Dave Weiss
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Elementary education day 1 : A is for Alien
Why make your graphics and music so woo?
What Weiss says at @1:40:30 is false. Wavelengths of 100mghz cannot travel further than the limitations imposed by the curve of the earth.
A particular _signal_ that's carried on a high frequency waveband quite commonly is, however, broadcast over long distances, but that's only because the original signal is repeatedly retransmitted by relay stations, cell towers, satellites, etc.
Mind you, practically _everything_ he said was false.. that particular disingenuous statement just stood out to me.
No one has proven wavelengths. We just exploit some effect. Satellites are not proven as well.
@@Eman_Puedama Your opinions, beliefs and feelings are irrelevant to the truth.
The cat is out of the bag, the truth cannot be contained.
Cat never left any bag.
I used to be curious perhaps uneasy about flat earth and then a friend said does it really matter flat or round your living a good fun life and I thought yes I'll wait and find out when the time is mapped for me. Until then I have energy to allow for more immediate matter re😊 my attention like how amazing the sky is and the planet flat or round
Does it make any difference being ignorant of all the true facts in life, you bet it does. That is how they get away with it all, people not being bothered to question them.
Why the lie? ruclips.net/p/PLyHwsN1Rg4IpvkJPw5xfw_g83vXuDLhKB
@@MrScaramoosh the truth is a perception I choose to not to speculate on. But if it makes sense to you then great.
@@lesleywills1 for me, the importance lies in recognizing that there is a group of people/entities, at the top of the societal pyramid, who have seeded lies about EVERYTHING in modern life that we consider to be the 'bedrock' of our understanding of reality.
I don't know the shape of the Earth but I do know that it's not a globe with a circumference of 24,901 miles, floating in a 10-¹⁷ torr void.
@@lesleywills1I'm sensing transurfing 😌 I agree with you, we know what's going on, if it's flat or not it actually doesn't change for us anything, might be that for those "asleep" could make a difference but I can't make others change if they don't want. For me it doesn't matter either, I enjoy life anyway ❤
For anyone stuck on WHY????
From what I've gathered
1) Like he said many times. Put a lion in a 100 acre fence hes gonna live life eat & shit he'll eventually come to that fence, sniff it & go back to eating and shitting. But put a human in that fence idc if its 25,000 miles there gonna wanna go to that other side, there hiding land & resources.. if there was infinite resources there would be no scarcity they couldn't charge you for food energy and bottled water...
2) there main thing is too make you think there's no god/creator people used to look up in the sky & see God & the heavens, now with space being in your mind trillions of galaxies which has billions of solar systems which has millions of planets.. (not all but alot of people) start to lose there belief in a God you think well with all the possibilities there's a chance we are just random. I mean maybe we're just the lucky ones that somehow had all the right ingredients to make a habital life you begin to think its all by chance... again not everyone but alot of people. Me included i went from raised as a Christian to questioning ya know how do I know I'm right what if the buddest is right, maybe the Jewish.. i began to think ya know maybe its all just made up to give people comfort, eventually with all the diff possibilitites of space and other life from what I've seen in movies & cartoons that of course were just the lucky ones.. were just random. People used to look up at night and imagine God and the heavens above, now you look up and even though you can only see pitch black and stars thats all you see, there's nothing but blackness & stars, but at same time ANYTHING & EVERYTHING you can imagine is up there even tho you don't see anything. THE ONLY THING THATS BEEN TO SPACE IS YOUR IMAGINENATION. They've Tried to distant the relationship and possibility of a god/creator. Cause once you see his creation you can not deny him. I'm not religious anymore but I know there is a creator. Trigger warning!! (My own journey) I've came to realize that No religion is all the way true but they all have truth in them. I believe they've divided religion to divide us and too further there agenda and to dilute the creator.
They don't wanna us to see how special we are. Its why our medical & health system is bet on getting us sick & profit why they poison & dumb down the population they don't want you in touch with nature & the world its why alcohol is socially accepted, but weed & psydelics are frowned apon, those open & expand your mind, they put you in touch with the world & nature. Its why they push pharmaceutical pills down everyone throats. And hide natural remedies on the internet... You cant hide our creator or a God if there really was a dome firmament, something you could physically see or touch there would be no denying it. I mean people would be lined up banging on the wall why why why what who and why??? If they were to find out tomorrow..
I hope this helps. Again just from what I've gathered there are many many reasons why....
We can all agree there are people in charge trying to control us.. If you were trying to control a population if you were the leader, you think its be a good idea to tell them where they came from and how they've came to be??? Or would it be smarter to tell them the complete opposite?
A lot of these people say we're under a dome, which would mean we're even more enclosed than we would be otherwise.
The "making us think we're insignificant" argument falls down because there are plenty of people from the Discovery Institute to Rupert Sheldrake who aren't materialists and also understand we're on a globe.
Those are just two disparate examples. I could mention scores more, past and present.
When I say I could mention scores more, I mean that just off the top of my head I could mention at least scores more.
In reality, there are 1000s of historical figures who weren't materialists and know we're on a globe.
Grifters like Dave Weiss seem to be exploiting some people's unfortunate ignorance of history.
@gerontodon I didn't say there was one 100% but if there was that's not true either cause we don't know how big or how far out it goes or how much it covers... it could go on infinite, might not ever end! "Oh that's crazy, thats impossible" outer space is endless it never ends & is "forever expanding" so can't claim that. If your knew to this I can see how one might think that we're inna tiny little snow globe so we're trapped but we don't know for sure that's your preconceived belief I encourage you to be more open minded
@gerontodon
I didn't say there was a dome 100% but even if there was that's not true because we don't know how big or how far or much it covers?? It could go on forever or infinite & never end youll say "that's crazy or impossible" but let's not forget outerspace claims to never end, be endless & "forever expanding" 😅🤦♂️. So you can't claim that. You saying that is just your preconceived belief I encourage you to be more open minded & research more.
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Going by the fact that you think the globe equals materialism, I already know that I've researched more than you.
I expect you think heliocentrism is synonymous with the globe and that the controversy in the early modern age was whether the earth was flat or not, when practically everyone had known it was a globe for centuries, and the actual controversy was whether the sun went round the earth or not.
That's another distortion of history these grifters push and which gullible people unfortunately lap up unquestioningly.
1:04:00 I don't understand how to use your app 😕 😢 nothing is labeled on the right
Weiss.... ENOUGH Bitcoin sales
What symbol is the frequently asked questions 🤔 on the app
2:09:20
question mark
Alec, let us know when you get Eric onboard....
Great interview and discussion. Thank you
And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
And God called the firmament Heaven.
Genesis 1:6-8
Wow. Very scientific.
Thanks for having the courage. Subb'ed. The earth is actually not "flat" - it's a stationary, level, topographical plane. A realm. We're not on a spinning ball, folks.
People who talk about flat earth use the bible as a reference, but..
The Holly Bible is not a historical novelized drama, it's holds esoteric, spiritual and mystical knowledge that can only be deciphered by those that hold the key, it was never intended to be read literally.. It contains numerology, cosmology, astrometry, psychology, neurology and anatomy. Only those who can decipher ancient texts can find the hidden meaning, Even within the Holy Bible it says that it's an allegory and that Christ says he speaks in parables.
Matthew 13:10-11
And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Psalm 78:
Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth. I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old: Which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us.
Luke 6:46-49
“Why do you call me 'Lord, Lord,' and not do what I tell you? Everyone who comes to me and hears my words and does them, I will show you what he is like: he is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock.
Luke 11:52
Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.
Luke 17:20-21
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you!!
Interesting point - what is the key to properly interpreting the bible?
Of course, it's important to remember that the bible is composed of only those books that the authorities in the third century determined should be included. And that was at the time that the Christian authorities had become the rulers of the earthly world. And, the KING James version is called that for a reason: the earthly ruler, king of England, authorized and oversaw the first official translation (most likely the first ever) of the then recognized books of the bible into English. So it is a source NOT untainted by the ruling elites of the various eras.
@@Ruby-ev7wm What do you believe?
Are you saying that the sovereign God and creator of the universe has allowed his WORD to be corrupted by his puny creation? God's word, even in all its translations, is exactly what he meant it to be. And Rory Williams 9692 should have answered that JESUS is not only the key, he is also the WORD!
@@ADBZPW No, I'm not saying ANYTHING about "sovereign God and creator of the universe" or what that entity has or has not done or allowed to be done.
As a host, please stop interrupting the resource person all the time. There were so many things he was discussing that didn't get the full treatment because you kept cutting him off.
Pretty sure that quote did not originate with the "naz! scientist" but the Catholic church... "give me child before the age of 7..."
Poor David. He thinks that if your travelling west around his neodymium magnet mountain in the middle of his 100 km lake rhat nobody would notice that the rudder was set to the right ???????? West is straight. Not a curve. Lolol
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH another globot that doesnt even know his own model. East and West are circles on both models. Many ship captains trying to dead recon east or west in the southern oceans have commented that they constantly have to correct to the north. Funny thing is they should have to correct to the south on a globe.
The Antarctic circle has a circumference of ~16,000 miles. A 16,000 mile circumference will have a diameter of approximately 5,100 miles or a radius of about 2,500 miles.
The Antarctic cup Ocean race inside the 60 degree latitude is ~14,000 nautical mile circuit or ~16,000 actual miles. It takes approximately 100 days to navigate.
Flatearthers claim the diameter of their map, as defined by an alleged ice wall of 25,000 miles which gives a circumference of ~78,500 miles. Therefore in a flat earth version of Antartica’s ice wall, to circumnavigate, a sailboat would have to maintain 32 mph constant 24 hour speed day and night for 100 days straight, an impossible feat in sailing.
Every single documented circumnavigation around Antarctica has documented course corrections. If they were following the flat earth version of an Antarctica ice wall then those corrections would be moving away from the ice, otherwise you would sail right into the ice wall.
SciManDan debunks flat earth:
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@@ronaldhollis6044 You actually watch scimanboydan? He is a joke. Have you ever looked into the sailboat race you speak of? Did you know on their own website they listed one of the legs of the journey at 32,000 miles. Thats bigger than the equator! Did you know now that several of the sailors are saying the earth is flat? Did you know that according to GPS they were treveling at an average speed of 4MPH. NASA runs GPS. Were they going 4MPH. (distance / time) or perhaps they were traveling much further than GPS says? Why are all sailing speed records captured in the north? Did you know that they travel about 200 miles further is a day in the north than the south and they claim its windier in the south.
You wont do it but anyone else reading this and looking for the truth, check out the "circumnavigation" section on the FAQ page of the flat earth clock app. FlatEarthDave
Wow. Im going to screenshot this one. Dumbest comment you've ever made . You owe me 6 bitcoins @@FlatEarthDavidWeiss
@@FlatEarthDavidWeissdirectly east or west is straight Dave . The only curve is for tge curvature of the earth but that doesn't effect the steering at all
The sun emits light in every direction including parallel. All parts of the sun emits light in all directions... you think its like a flash light . How nauve.
Prove existence of light as an independent variable.
I disagree with many things Professor Dave talks about . But the truth is that he absolutely demolished you and your model . Yes he was a bit rude but he was also correct . Alec the way you described yourself watching that debate shows youre a flerf . So just own it instead of sitting on the fence . This has nothing to do with Germ Theory but uou guys have lost alot of credibility if you fall for these really weak arguments .. stop.lying about the guidestones . Youre such a liar David ..just like you wont give the 6 bitcoins
Is everything ok in your life? Did your father leave you at a young age? Do you need a hug?
@@FlatEarthDavidWeisssorry man if I upset you but you can't explain the stars rotation by using the word declination . Also you should look up compasses and the different types of compasses required for different regions of the world . Stuck to debunking nasa . Even musk . But you're wrong on all earth stuff. All of them
@@denzaharo9326 Yet you have not presented even one valid argument. Just like PD did not.
@denzaharo9326 You shouldn’t lie and then pat yourself on the back for it, constant logical fallacy’s is no way to live your life little brother, Hope you turn your life around!
Those numbers are Gargantuan... 27 min 34 seconds
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Can you give an example of arguments for the globe that you think are fallacies such as affirming the consequent or begging the question please?
I suspect that you basically (intentionally) misunderstand what those fallacies are. If someone argues that viruses _must_ exist because people who've been around each other often get sick at the same time, then yes, that is affirming the consequent.
However, pointing to the numerous observations that are consistent with a globe and inconsistent with a flat earth is _not_ affirming the consequent because you're not saying "If globe, you'd expect to see stars rotate in opposite directions when viewed from the two respective hemispheres, You do see that, therefore globe"
Everyone knows that there could _hypothetically_ be another reason for that observation that's consistent with a flat earth.
No-one has provided one though (at least not a coherent one), and so it's reasonable to go with the most rational one.
How do you expect anyone to do science without inferring causes for what is observed?
How can you even get through life without doing so?
If you look out of the window and see that the streets are wet, there are puddles in the gutter, and water dripping from the trees, do you conclude it's been raining, or do you postpone judgement as to the cause because there hypothetically _might_ be another one?
You know the answer perfectly well, so stop being silly - or shilly (whichever one it is).
Well said . The typical flat earther will tell you that it could've been a water leak from a fire hydrant . Another might tell you that he'd ve surprised that the water stayed on any surface at all since we're spinning at ? miles per hour . Lol.
Go watch professor Dave video by mindshock. There's almost a logical falicy every sentence
They have built a belief that they cling to
An example: that local optical effects in the sky prove GE. That shadows prove GE. That GPS proves GE. That ships disappearing optically.
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