The Fatal Game | Mt. Everest Climbers Documentary | Full Movie | Richard Dennison
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- Опубликовано: 14 июн 2023
- Mark Whetu & Mike Reinberger reached the summit of Mt. Everest but it was late & the duo was forced to camp. In the morning, Whetu was faced with a terrible decision... leave Reinberger or stay with him forever.
Stars: Mark Whetu, Mike Reinberger
Directed by Richard Dennison
Produced by James Heyward, Andy Salek
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Don’t like climbing my stairs to bed yet addicted to mountaineering videos , 😂
lets take a copter to the top
Me2 lol
Amen brother.
Same
Same! Obsessed with mountain climbing videos 😊
“It’s not that life is so short, it’s just that you’re dead for so long. Why not make the most of it?”
I liked that quote at the end.
But hey, at least his story was a real one. He actually gave insight into his dark phase. Feeling sorry for himself & wanting to pass blame just to cope. Ultimately coming out of that space and rose above it for once.
I really appreciate the real stories like this one.
Funny, for me, this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. :) Your long death will never be in your perception of existence, it will be in everyone else's. So it comes down to the ancient debate of why summiting matters so much, is it really for self-fulfillment or is it more for how others will perceive you. (Of course, I don't think there is an ultimate answer - hence the never ending debate over the topic.)
He had already tried and failed a number of times. His friend identified there was a fundamental flaw in his climbing style. I think instead of telling him he needed to “just do it,” his friend should have tried to help him come to terms with the idea that this was beyond his reach and he needed more attainable goals. There are other mountains, other worthy pursiuts. There’s nothing wrong with knowing yourself enough to understand your limits.
And if he couldn’t then it would be because I fed into a possibly unattainable desire. If he had made it there and back he would also be give license to tell me all of my life that I was wrong. I would prefer to be called a nonbeliever to a live friend than a believer to a dead friend. Still we make these choices in the midst of life, not after we know the ending to the story.
He he... Who?
They left to late and this was a fatal mistake. If one is too late one is too late and can never catch up. They should never tried to reach the summit on that day.
Good n poignant comments.
Everyone should acknowledge his ability n leverage especially on mountains with over7000 feet altitudes.
Reluctance to accept boundaries n bounds for human physicals is suicidal.
Climbing guide was just so unprofessional! Try being adult next time!
Mike tried multiple times and he was more obsessed with getting to the summit than he was actually staying alive! He didn't know his limits. I'm glad he died doing what he loved, or what he was obsessed with, but no one should sacrifice their very life just to get to the top of Everest. I'm glad that Mark didn't die with him because those people at the base camp were absolutely correct about Mike. Mike was a lost cause because his obsession was overwhelming for him.
The guide should have established with him that the decision to turn around lay with the guide. That should have been agreed upon before they ever climbed. The guide is in charge because they are the expert.
I've pretty well watched every high-altitude mountaineering documentary under the sun, and, 'The Fatal Game' is one of the better ones to watch. It does an excellent job of giving those who have never been close to experiencing these dangerous mountains, the perils that present themselves constantly in these forbidden and harrowing giants!
What other documentarys can you recommend? Appreciate your answer!
@techinfect5293 If you want to provide a link to an email address, I'll send you a list. I've tried sending you 4 replies, and Themtube has deleted them all. Their censorship algorithms won't allow for it!
Brilliant - the best Everest movie I’ve ever watched. All those who vilified the climbers who walked past David Sharp should watch this.
I also am reminded of David Sharp but I believe if someone like this man was David’s close friend and would have stopped and demanded that all those people forgo their summit attempt to instead save a life that Mr David Sharp would be alive today !
If all those people had pitched in, they could have dragged him down
@@ontheedge33371 A lot of able-bodied people just walked on by.
@@ontheedge33371 I doubt it. He was beyond recovery when he was first seen. Some Sherpas did try to get him down and failed. It’s not the Lake District you know - you can’t literally drag someone down Everest. You’d kill them bouncing their head and face off the rocks and ice. If he was roped to another climber he’d be in danger of pulling them off the steep face of the north ridge. He was refusing to move in any case. As a separate issue I don’t see why people who have trained for years to fulfil a dream, who have paid a lot of money for what will be their only chance of making the summit and who have made sure to do all the right preparation so as not to risk anyone else’s life by needing to be rescued, should throw it all away on someone who shouldn’t be there. If anyone had the responsibility of looking after him, it was the commercial outfit he booked with. It’s touch and go whether you can come away with your own life and limbs intact, without lowering your odds of a successful descent trying to help a stranger. Most people suffering hypoxia aren’t cooperative and can resist the good intentions of a rescuer.
I don’t believe anyone has the right to criticise the actions of any climber in this situation unless they’ve been in the death zone themselves. Also, how would several dozen climbers get him down? Nobody carries more than they have to. Most of the way is single file. It’s ludicrous to think if 50 people all helped, he could have been brought down alive. After summiting, climbers only manage to return to Camp IV - still in the death zone - before dark. David Sharp was beyond help.
@@RogerLewis-ey2ttno. they couldn’t have. it’s a well known fact that if you aren’t walking, you can’t be rescued at that altitude. thats why you hear people keep insisting to keep moving. you cannot stop and wait for long. sherpas have different levels of oxygenation in their blood from evolving at such high altitudes but even they wouldn’t be able to drag someone out of the death zone. and everyone who enters the death zone knows this full well.
Yes, Mark did make some bad decisions, especially as a professional guide. Leaving so late that morning was a horrible call bc now you’re trying to play “catch-up” all day and it just compounds any other problems you might have. But, ultimately, this is on Mike. Climbers hire professional guides for a reason…and one main reason is for them to protect you from yourself. But Mike wasn’t allowing that to happen. Hearing Mark say that Mike would have just continued on without him is absolute bananas to me. That’s what got Rob Hall killed: Doug refusing to turn around.
The commentary from Base Camp is the best part of this video bc those guys aren’t sugarcoating anything. They know exactly what’s going to happen.
Right, especially considering the fact that Mike's condition wasn't great to begin with. At some point, Mark states that he and the other guy would have to "drag" Mike up there. If you have to drag someone, the person being dragged doesn't belong up there.
The timing of the climb, and losing track of time is on Mark though.
Well said, especially about the base camp commentary. Ultimately, Mike got himself killed, not unlike many others in down suits too far from home.
Mark made some dire mistakes. They climbed too late but more importantly, before departure he should have established that he was the boss. The decision to turn around lay with him and not the inexperienced climber who had never been above 7 thousand meters.
Mike had some deep personal issues that he had to go even though he failed six times. Sometimes you have to know your limits and Mark should not have accepted Mike. Rob Hall made a terrible decision with Doug, breaking Rob's mantra that if you don't get there by two you get back. So both Rob and Doug died. Some of the guides make very poor decisions. It takes strength to say no. IMHO.
As Ed Viesturs says, summiting is optional; getting down is not.
Commercial expeditions like this were still in their relative infancy in the mid 90's so people like Mark and Rob Hall made bad decisions not turning clients around because they were scared it would impact their bottom line the following season.
My observation from watching a lot of these mountain and cave diving disaster videos is that it's the people with lots of experience who make these mistakes because their experience and success makes them think they can take risks and bend the rules because they think they can handle it.
Yeah, don't underestimate the impact of even mild hypoxia on decision making.
Excellent documentary. Really educated me on the exact impact that climbing such altitudes in the freezing cold has on the body. Didn't know the fundamentals of why people were dying before. The fact that it could happen to anyone (like that german climber) showed the risk that people were taking. Sometimes they didnt die because of a mistake, but because their body couldn't handle the lack of oxygen.
Terrifying to watch the agony, ptsd and recovery Mark made. Best footage I ever watched on Everest and the realities of it. So glad Mark’s team rescued him or it would have been two deaths. Still can’t comprehend Mike’s obsession with summitting Everest.
I can imagine the pain that man must of felt trying to save his buddy, Mike. The camp guys were trying to tell him to go back down. He wouldn’t do it at first. Can you imagine if one of the camp guys would say on the radio, “ We know you don’t wanna leave Mike. So, just stay up there with him. We can’t get anybody up there tonight because the weather is too bad. We’ll try to get a crew up there tomorrow. In the meantime, we know how much you wanna stay with Mike. So, just stay up there with him tonight and, ahh, you both can freeze to death together!” That guy would be down within a half hour wanting to put his boot up his, you know what! He would get a hold of that guy and say, here! This one is for Mike! POW!
I don't know, I think he should have TRIED to drag Mike down. Cowardly self-pity.
@@RogerLewis-ey2tt Armchair warrior detected 🧐
@@RogerLewis-ey2ttdaft sod
@@RogerLewis-ey2tt They were up in the DEATH zone without oxygen. There's no way!
This is. by far, the most emotional video I've ever seen. The reality of mountaineering death is seen under the microscope of having survived the experience, but at a tremendous cost. The amount and quality of filming is quite surprising, and even almost shocking to see. The "price" of this mountaineering adventure is beyond measure...the physical loss of body parts and a life, the mental anguish of decisions that had to be made and the consequences of having made those decisions begs the question...is this kind of challenge worth whatever is being exacted? I am merely an observer and my opinion holds no experience...but the honest realities of gambling with your life are stark and clearly in evidence in this video...which should be watched by everyone!!
Mark gave Mike way more support than he should have … he said that he shouldn’t have walked away from a ‘friend’ , but Mike didn’t treat HIM like a friend… Mike treated him like a disposable nothing whose only purpose was to help him get to the top
Mike was utterly and completely obsessed, and obsession at that level is a mental illness
Mark would have been completely right to refuse to go anywhere with him but down
The trouble is.. as we see from the first story, the media and the public are all too quick to absolutely ruin someone’s reputation
Mark was obviously a very very decent chap who would have felt his own struggle at leaving Mike, even though Mike was obviously not concerned about anyone else but himself and his own wishes and desires …
Summit fever and also at that altitude thinking can become very impaired , that's a big problem .
The guide is at fault for not establishing that the climbing decisions lay with him. Such as the decision to turn around lies with the guide.
This documentary is just extraordinary. It truly broke my heart. The folks at Base Camp did the right thing trying to save as many lives as possible.
Its not really saving lives if they"re putting there selfs on the line, is it
I totally understand their desire to climb. What I do not understand is why they ignore the risks. Especially those with families.
I'm 15 minutes in, and I'm shouting at these guys to not go for the summit. Sadly, they didn't listen to me.
😁
Im 3 minutes in, thinkin everyone should get their toes amputated BEFORE climbin everest. Freezing toes are th worst, and he's right back up there, without them.
The wi-fi at the level is very iffy.
Mark is a very charismatic person. But his brain wasn't 100% from the freezing temperatures, so he couldn't see that Mark was pretty much a goner while up there. Plus he is an em-path, taking responsibility for others feelings. So that guy on the phone encouraging him to come back down was right on target, and I applaud him. Mountain guides need to be more like doctors, able to make rational decisions in desperate situations, and not go by emotions.
Will never understand why climbing a mountain is MORE important than your whole family, all your friends, your whole life and your existence!
That's called being possessed.
Have you ever been for anything more than a walk around your neighborhood?
Summit fever...it's a thing
@@Ericsaidful there is no need to get snarky with people that don’t understand how someone can give up everything so they can climb to the top of a mountain. Family and friends and life are worth more consideration. Rude.
@jeaniehorton5964 The original comment was snarky. I'm sure family and friends are given consideration. However if you are a low drive individual, you're not going to understand the pursuit of something that could be life threatening.
(1) Why would you go up there, with someone who you'd say of, " we're going to haul him up there?"
(2) Why would you start out at 3:30, when you KNOW it's too late?
Bloody unprofessional mountain guide! He's just a baby!
Man seeks a port in life, but he also deeply desires a storm.
One of my favourite sayings is "A ship in harbor is safe,but that's not what ships are built for"
@muddydog6605 oh thats so beautiful. Thanks for sharing it with me. I love it.
The REAL courage would be to say to Mike, "no, we're not taking your money." Yet no guide has ever exhibited that level of courage. Rob didn't have it to say to Doug Hansen, and Mark didn't say it to Mike. Instead he said, "you have to push harder."
These mountaineering docus leave all discussions about such REAL moral courage out.
He must have the most understanding wife in the world. I’d have been out the door long ago. It’s difficult to cope with another person’s obsession.
No matter how many of these mountaineering tragedy stories i see, they are all interesting and are all amazing because of how much people give up and risk for nothing. In this video, we get to see 2 guys they to the summit for a few minutes and then one loses his life and the other part of his feet! Why???
Mike was an example of a climber that had no business being on Everest in the first place. For the record, climbing Everest (or any other mountain) and getting yourself killed in the process is not an achievement, it is stupidity. Considering the number of people getting themselves killed on that mountain, the requirements for being allowed to climb are obviously not adequate. Most deaths are due to inexperience and bad judgement.
Unfortunately, it's a two edged sword for mountaineering guides.. they take people like Mike cause they need the money to keep their business running as well as to be able to sponsor their own climbs on the highest peaks.
Everest has become an “everyman” mountain! Anyone who has enough money can be flown to the base camp. Inexperienced mountaineers endanger the lives of experienced and experienced mountaineers and the Sherpas. I am in favor of proof being needed in order to do so to climb Everest. Anyone who hasn't climbed a six or seven thousand meter peak before has no place in high mountain alpinism
The issue with "death-wish" people is that they put other people's lives at risk. Other folk are just trying to "do the right thing", and they're pulled into situations that shouldn't be.
I think Mark was already very selfless in joining Mike to the top in late afternoon, instead of turning around. Mike was foolish for carrying on, which would very probably be a death sentence for him (considering he was already moving very slow, causing all the delays in the first place). Mike is the reason Mark lost his toes. I understand the emotional struggles of Mark, but I feel he is too harsh on himself. It is not his fault. People like Mike are a danger to themselves and others because their egos have grown to big and they have an unhealthy total obsession with reaching the summit, not caring about the circumstances. When you climb Everest, you need to vow to your family, yourself and your climbing partners, that you will always turn around before the summit in case you cross turnaround time. It is a hard line and non-negotiable. I wouldn't climb with someone who wouldn't vow on this.
When oxygen runs out, vows and pledges and critical thought goes out the window.
No, this obesession has been in Mike BEVORE his oxigen run out. I see it exacly the same way. Mike has put his friend in danger for his own ego. I can understand that feeling, when you try and try and you dont succed. He tried six times. He wanted to be sucessful so much. It is not always the best thing to try and fight until you reach your goal, sometimes it is better to leave it. Maybe Mike was lucky that he had survived on his tries bevore. Maybe there is something else that he should put his focus on. But he was not open for anything else and put his friend in danger to reach his own dream till the last moment.
Actually I was expecting how this story envolved. Mike has been so fixed on the idea of sumitting. He does not accept any further failure. It was clear that Mike keeps on his plans. It was a very problematic trip from the beginning because of Mikes mindset. In this case they should have discussed bevore what to do if they fail another time? They should commit to their rules like" the latest we start is x o'clock, otherwise we go down. And if one part does not want to follow the rules, the other one is not comitted to stay.
The toes are a long way from the heart. I can think of a few people that I love . If it came to my foot or thier life . I would trade in a heart beat . Outside looking in I think that they both had summit fever. Because they both were up there while the sun went down. Kinda like kids who think that the rules don't apply to them. There is always consequences for your actions. One lost his foot the other his life..
All very relevant comments, but this story happened relatively long ago before internet and the knowledge about mountaineering dangers had not transferred clearly from the pros to the amateurs, it was still a vague sensational story of will without the information of what high altitude insidiously does to the body, especially among amateurs.
Blurred thinking and loss of clarity in decision making were probably already gripping Mike when he wanted to push to the summit just before sunset. Mark says it clearly there are no chance of spending the night in the death zone without suffering some loss. His friendship with Mike was strong but clearly his mind wasn't clear either. Somehow the sunshine good weather fooled him ? I think it was the sum of all these elements that barely tipped the balance in the wrong direction in Mark's decision making : His friend foolhardy stubbornness into the mouth of danger, his loyalty he felt to his friend, a bit of high altitude bluriness in his mind too and last the deceptive shiny good weather.
Last i'll say something controversial, the problem Mark was struggling with is he lied, saying he would come back. He should have left him allright but not with a definite promise of coming back. Although in a way that is a recomforting lie. Or maybe he should go back there now to hold his promise. Since after all it's not a promise to come back when Mike is alive.
The problem is they’ve paid 50.000$ and have that one chance. They think, oh I’ll make it. I’ll be fine. Ignoring timing and elements.
Possibly the most tone deaf and selfish account of one man's obsession yet. Nothing to live for except another climb. Must make your loved ones feel special.
Exactly. There is no reward except their own satisfaction. Like a mental masturbation.
The worst thing is that these mountains end up being the personal gravesites for all these deadbeats who want to commit suicide and be remembered.
@Davidb2127 If you don't understand something stfu.
As someone once beautifully wrote: Man seeks a port in life, but he also deeply desires a storm.
Most mountaineers are obsessive about peaks or a particular mountain
What a great informative video. I have a facination with Everest and almost know every part of it. But i find it hard to climb a ladder!! Mark, you are an amazing person, you took a big chance going to the summit with Mike, you had to because he wasn't going to turn back. You helped him achieve his goal i.e. reach the summit. No matter the outcome, well done Mark.
Omg I feel for him.
I don't know what the experience is like on a mountain but I had all my toes amputed from frostbite too and it has been very hard since. My feet did and do look exactly like his, then and after.
I had the amputations 30 days after the incident and began to walk again within the week. I can still do everything except wear heels, but not for long- its far too painful to be on the feet too long skating etc.
I was so determined to push thru and not be slowed down but I am paying for it now, i think. I have worked steady (on my feet) for 18 years now but I think I was allowed to walk too soon cuz I have suffered everyday, all day, and I can barely walk now at 41. I'm exhausted and in so much pain... and I'm so demoralized today.
Nobody understands what it's like. I can't find anyone to speak to. Not even a doctor who has ever met a frostbite amputee...
Bless you, sir 🙏
You did your very best, sir. It was incredible what you did. May your friend rest in peace🕊
May you have peace too.
Sorry to hear about that girl. That's a tough situation. How do you handle the pain? Is there anything that helps? Have you heard of phantom limb pain? You should google that term. Try smoking some Marijuana. Hope you feel better.
@@luchacefox259Do not give such silly advices. This is respectless.
That’s terrible to go thru, I am sorry you had to endure that and still do daily.
@@chre3611 You need to do some research on the medical benefits of "Kaneh Bosm" aka cannabis. It is part of the holy annointing oil spoken of in the Bible. The fact that you called her advice silly shows what extreme mind control you are under for consuming mainstream media lies and bullshit.
My advice to you, is to destroy your TV and start self educating.
Ill give you a little push. Type this into the search bar "Kaneh Bosm The Hidden Story of Cannabis in the Old Testament"
Your massive ego will laugh at my comment which is another symptom of the mind control you are under.
Brainwashing and indoctrination (In the dock of the Tri nation) are a hell of a thing.
I'm curious, and you obviously don't owe me an answer, but I'm wondering what the circumstances were when you were frostbitten?
So Mark Whetu and Edie Young are divorced? What a surprise...no one talks about the damage he caused to her with his 2 years of selfish obsession before he returns to the Himalayas what a narcissist.
Good god, the compassion and bravery of this man. Though he was literally doing the telling, the relief I felt when he agreed to proceed to Camp 6 was palpable. The reply of the radioman that he couldn’t imagine telling his wife he didn’t make it was so, so powerful and congratulations to the man who chose his wife, friends, family, and life. Stories like this show exactly how and why people can be left to their fates; he was a hero the moment he chose to stay, summit, and bivvy with Mike. RIP to him and congratulations to him as well - he achieved his dream, do or die as he said. Thanks for sharing this powerful story.
The risk of death is willingly faced by every climber who scales 8,000-meter peaks. Those left behind who loved them are the ones who pick up the tab, with lifelong mourning and/or survivor guilt. It's wholly unfair.
The very sad truth well stated.
To call a mountain a "ruthless killer" is just idiotic. It's a pile of rocks; it doesn't have intention or malice. Ruthless are the people who decide to climb it despite the risks. Power to them, but don't blame the mountain if it goes pear shaped.
It’s just a their way of showing respect to something dangerous,
You make it sound like u believe they’re considering pressing charges😂….
@@rojay4635 well, "ruthless killer" doesn't sound very respectful to my ears...maybe the mountain should sue them for defamation, lol?
I agree, Claudia. Nature has no personality, it's functions that operate the same if people are there or not. If some people are stupid enough to climb to where the conditions kill them, that doesn't mean the mountain has any attitude about it.
interesting take
Absolutely agree
Incredible film. Very emotional and anyone thinking of Climbing Everest should watch this as a Tutorial. Man is great, but no match for Mother Nature. May all those who perished on Everest, Rest In Peace.
Going back to the Himalayas after losing all your toes tells you everything you need to know about mountaineers. Insanity.
I can't imagine what they are hoping to find at the summit every time. They can't find inner peace or happiness there, but they'd rather risk their lives on a mountain than look inside themselves and ask why.
Man being blinded up so high must have been terrifying considering there was technical climbing to do.
Terrifying
Mike chose his path dude, it wasn't your fault. Luckily your friends convinced you to get off that mountain so now you can live your own path.
A Tibetan Buddhist priest stated that climbing Everest, etc. was based on personal greed. Not necessarily economic but spiritual and egotistical greed.
Mark , I’m so glad you survived , recovered and climbed Cho Oyu. This video is incredible……You did incredible job with Mike, I wouldn’t judge Mike for being stubborn and what seems unreasonable, we humans are so complex. I’ve climbed Mt Everest 4 times, twice submitted twice went down , once from South Summit second time from just below 3rd step. I summited 5 of the 8000 and tried unsuccessfully 4. For me climbing is the beauty of being in the mountains and summit is just the bonus I'm obsessed with climbing but not with submitting . Great job BC for saving Mark.
Because of the terrain and altitude inn the death zone, a climber needs to be able to keep moving down on their own. If they can’t, that’s it. And the others have to leave them, unless they are feeling really well which is rare.
Base camp advising descent is completely professional judgement call. The 'Mikes' of this world, and there a huge number of them, cannot be allowed to share their own death with others.
This story was soooo intense… I found myself holding my breath…. Then when he had to save himself and it killing him and to leave Mike… I couldn’t stop crying… what an amazing man … he cared more for the safety of another human being than himself…. I wish there were more people in this world like Mark… our f’d up world would be such a better place…
I’m absolutely gutted for Mark and all he went thru and all he lost… and gutted for Mike who lost his life … god bless both of these men❤
I wonder if his friend would have forfeited the summit if he got into a dangerous situation?
@@oldwomanranting … makes you wonder… I know I wouldn’t be able to leave someone who is dying … which might cause my death… so I’m definitely not a good candidate to go Summit…
Not that I have the desire at all… but I’m definitely not built to leave someone in trouble.. I don’t have the heart….
Easy for the you say. “Everyone is brave from far away” is apt here
Two men had accepted they were probably going to have to carry Mije to the summit. One had to leave following an aneurysm and the other carried on.
If it's not your own effort that gets you to the top, where is the accomplishment? Often it's the Sherpa that gets these people to the top . They get virtually no recognition except criticism when things go wrong. Makes no sense to me at all.
Mike stated only he could decide whether to continue, however he was risking the life of another person- which is totally unfair. He couldn't have made an attempt on his own. It's such a selfish attitude.
Some Malaysian climber had to be carried to the summit of Everest, he had made it close, iirc, and then back down by a sherpa. Nevertheless the guy later made the tv show circuit in Asia celebrated as the first Malay to summit Everest, iirc, without ever mentioning the ordeal or the fact that the sherpa carried him and saved his life in the many interviews. He even blocked sherpa on Facebook, too. 🙄
This just happened, I think, regardless, what a dishonest, total nickname for Richard!
As a guide he made so many wrong choices and errors. It was his responsibility to make the right ones. He forgot about the radio? How does a guide do that? So many excuses and shirking of responsibility, my son is a guide and I know how he makes decisions based on what’s the right thing to do. Not the popular one or the one the client wants,
OMG did he really leave at 3:30? Like as in after 2?!
The one time that even amateurs like me know to be the game over time..
Then he said he didn’t realize it and thought it was 11? Like without shame or embarrassment he admits he didn’t check the time for literally the most deadly deadline on Everest..and he doesn’t mind that sharing that on video..
Yeah from the way he was talking I'm thinking he was suffering from some severe hypoxia/cerebral edema of his own because he didn't seem to notice Mike was struggling, forgot about the radio, and all the other things you mentioned. I don't know why they would have left so late in the day, though. I wonder how much pressure Mike & the movie producers put on him about it.
Right. Then he goes on another climb leading amateurs even though his feet aren't completely healed. SMH. This tragedy could've been avoided if they'd followed the guidelines for climbing Everest. It seems many who die on the mountain, die in part due to completely ignoring the guidelines that can be the difference between life and death.
@@lutzdeluxe2491 I didn't quite understand how he could lead a big group of climbers with feet not healed. I wonder if that was an exaggeration? Otherwise he proved himself an irresponsible jerk.
Very honest film. Many mistakes made . Thankfully one person survived and eventually got better.
He learned no lessons though. Leading a group of climbers before his feet were healed (if he didn't exaggerate) ... proves him to be an irresponsible fool.
I agree .. no excuse
Kudos to Mike Perry for telling you the truth Mark, " I can't imagine going back to Edi and telling her you aren't coming back." I'm sorry for your loss! Continue to enjoy life's precious moments💜
The commentary from the guys watching them from base camp is just incredible....14:17, 16:10, 17:00, 18:51, 27:10, 28:37, 29:09
they knew what would be coming
Just surreal…thanks so much for the time stamps
❤
The simple truth is no one could save Mike from himself. On the mountain slopes, he was a danger to others, both physically and mentally. Mark for all his guiding experience, somehow couldn't see that. He should have known better. One thing one's got to be aware in a group situation, is that there's always one character out to ruin the party, usually the guy/gal with the most charisma. Taken in by Mike's charisma, Mark let him call the shots. Tragedy ensued.
If you ignore your guide's advice to go back down then that's up to you. They do not owe you their lives.
Can u imagine... mike, blind, cold, low oxygen, exhausted, roped in and waiting for his guide to return only to realize....he's not.
He loses a client on Everest and then he takes a group of people with no Himalayan experience to climb Cho Oyu. Sorry, I have no respect for this guy. This is not responsible mountaineering.
Mountaineering is a game of risking ones life to serve their own pleasure and serving no good to the human race. Guides are doing business to fed their family. Bearing No moral responsibility to the death of their clients.
This guy strikes me as a complete narcissist and I note that there is no mention of the fact he let his wife nurse him through 2 years of physical and mental illness then ditched her for his female business partner. Creep.
So what do you know about climbing Everest ? All climbers know it's everyone for himself up their due to the lack of oxygen !
@@maryburger1232 Sorry to disappoint - I have scaled Himalayan peaks for the past 20 years. Thus, I assume I know a bit about high-altitude climbing and mountaineering in general.
What an amazing watch!
As much as I hate to say it, I'm so glad Mark came back. I appreciate Mike's passion and determination, sharing the same dream. It's not worth the loss of life. Potentially Jason too.
Doesn't mean it should be a nightmare for even more of those left behind.
Buddhists have two collections: Wisdom and Compassion.
Compassion is trying to save a person's life.
Wisdom is not causing the death of Two people.
Wisdom would have been not to climb so late in the day. Plus, the guide should have been in charge of the decisions, such as when to turn around.
Man I respect this guy so much the camera guy.. he was a very faithful an trustworthy guy he didn’t wanna leave that other guy he was a brave man to wanna stay with him.. hat is off to him
I can't see this at all.
What a bad decision to climb the summit 2 and half hours late with a known slow climber. He never should have started it at 3:30.
And on the descent, how on earth would you waste energy on filming. He knows that ready they are in a gigantic trouble and still get wastes energy on filming
Half way on the descent only then he remembers they have a radio . Idk really I don't see how he tell all this
Beware ppl of guides like this.
Mark has survivor’s remorse. There was nothing he could do. For Mike. He would have died himself.
It is such a harrowing story - and yet also a heartwarming and brave account of the human will to survive
Mark was the professional guide and had the responsibility not to go up at such a late time in the afternoon. All else followed from this .
Totally agree! That, and pushing him to "fo for it" and blame him for being "too conservative" as the reason he had "failed" previously. Mark failed in his professional duty to keep him safe.
Then he guides again when he’s not healthy. Yikes!
Nice to comment from your armchair, yes?
Agree, and just seemed odd when Mark said he “tried pretty hard” to talk Mike out of continuing, especially when also acknowledging there would be losses for doing so. I’m not judging, just making an observation on what was expressed in the doc, but that’s when you hope your prof guide will scream at you, “hell no! not going to give up my fingers or toes or life for this - it’s crazy and you’re not thinking clearly. We go back now and live to die another day.” You try with everything you’ve got to get you both down stat. Maybe his brain and judgment were affected by the altitude, but he doesn’t seem to think so. Overall a gut wrenching and heartbreaking story. I don’t feel the triumph, but am glad Mark made it out alive.
@@anovemberstar - Mark sugar coated the reasons why Mike failed to summit previously. Simply put, Mike was too old. He wasn't in great shape and he wasn't a particularly talented climber. Mike shouldn't have been anywhere near Everest. He was a danger to himself and everyone else on the mountain.
Commercial expeditions like this were still in their relative infancy in the mid 90's so people like Mark and Rob Hall made bad decisions not turning clients around because they were scared it would impact their bottom line the following season.
So Mark did fail in a number of instances. However, the majority of the blame lies with Mike. He was a selfish old man with a big ego and not a particularly good climber. A toxic mix especially above 8,000m in the death zone.
Mark should have left Mike as soon as signalled his intention to summit long past the safe time. Setting up a bivouac 20m below the summit was also completely insane. Mike could not be saved. Summit fever completely consumed him and he was willing to put his own life and Mark's in danger for simply climbing a piece of rock.
Some people are just not made for altitude. You can be a health freak ultramarathon runner and your functions just start to fall apart above a certain altitude.
And the incredible cold on top of it, pardon the pun. 🥶
Very true. Can you imagine guys like ed viesturs who do all 14 8000drs without supplemental oxygen with no harm caused to the body by altitude.
I know it's easy for us to judge when we're not addled with hypoxia but he leaves late, at 3.30am, admits that Mike was moving really slowly and then is surprised just before the second step when the returning Dave Staeheli, who'd turned around when he reached his cut-off time of noon, informed him that it was after 2pm. Mark thought it was 'maybe 11.30 midday kind of' at that moment. Surely as an experienced guide / cinematographer time is of the utter essence, and he'd be keeping a sharp eye on it with the idea of heading back with his friend and client once their turnaround time was reached? Mark's a good guy, obviously, and he showed great courage and character but his decision making as a guide seems to have been severely impaired by Mike's all consuming summit lust after six failed attempts. This knowledge no doubt contributed to Mark's guilt and depression back in Queenstown, but credits to him for overcoming it and getting back into guiding on Cho Oyu.
Its tragic, but not surprising that humans will step over a rational line. The consequences in these mountains is catastrophic. It really is a trap of one's own making
Imagine pushing a man to get him to the summit , leaving way too late , making all the decisions and then having to abandon that man? Hard thing to deal with.
Imagine writing a comment you just did, after failing to summit Everest, and instead of losing your toes, you lost all your brain-cells. Hard thing to deal with.
This was Mike Rheinberg's eight attempt on the mountain. Why would you say he needs more pushing.
And, making all the decisions? Mike says on the video himself, everyone makes their own decision on that mountain.
Then, abandoning that man? Like there's any other option at the summit of Everest. Nobody has carried another climber down from that altitude.
@@penkima4923 mike even says he told me you just have to make a decision and go for it. Hence making a decision to go for it WAY TOO LATE!
Summiting seems to be the entire point of climbing, but if you don't descend, nothing else really matters as far as you're concerned because you are gone.
Summit fever
Almost the same thing happened to me on my second time to the summit of Poon Hill. 30 years later I am still not ready to go back.
Good
He made a lot of fundamental mistakes. He was either too stubborn or too ignorant. Left too late, wanted to press on too late in the afternoon.. wanted to shelter in place on the death zone where you just can’t.. He should’ve known better and if he did, ignored what he knew.
To survive up there, you have to respect the mountain and your own limits. Sometimes you have to go back down when you’re so close and it’s incredibly hard but the alternative is summiting and then dying.. or not summiting at all.
They spend 6-8 weeks accumulating up and down camp 1 and 2, they all know the risks and what to do in these situations. Problem is that the exhaustion and the lack of proper oxygen makes the judgement go south real fast. Kind of when you're all of the sudden too drunk, you don't realise you're past the threshold before it's to late, but then again i haven't been up there
Mark was surprised he had water, surprised there was a radio, and later surprised that people die at altitude. Poor guy seems a bit clueless, no?
Your brain is starved of oxygen and doesn't work properly at this altitude. It's extremely hard to think clearly. It's why most expedition leaders operate from basecamp now.
Also, what are simple tasks at normal altitude, take forever in the death zone because your brain and body aren't working and are actually slowly dying up there. Even getting ready on summit day usually takes 30-45 mins. A climb from last camp to the summit (north and south side) will often take 10-12 hours. It's agonisingly slow because there's 1/3 of the oxygen than at sea level and even stopping for a break doesn't help.
Whetu hadn't been on supplemental oxygen for nearly 24 hours at this point. The brain and body work at a vastly reduced capacity when oxygen starved. Brain also stops pumping blood to the extremities hence why Whetu had bad frostbite. Also explains why he'd forgotten about his water and the radio.
"You can't stay here if you're gonna cry Suzy" 😢
Mark should never have agreed to go to the summit with Mike. He should have said "No, you go o on your own. And if you die its your responsibility and u am free of responsibility for you. You are a grown man."
It's a wonderful form of madness, wanting to be high on a frozen rock. This camera man should get an award for his outstanding bravery.
Lol
So weird. This guy does something meaningless and stupid and his friend dies because he does it, too. So, the guy regains his confidence and mental health by planning to do the stupid thing again.
😁👍
And, by his own admission, he leads a group of people before his feet got healed properly. Risking a whole bunch of people's life for a change... 🤔
I will never understand if you choose to have a family how risking your life to climb is anything but selfish and unfair. Super high risk behavior is best for people who dont have families that must suffer forever if you perish.
Leaving Mike to die was the right decision, the wrong decision was guiding him up Everest in the first place. Only the most elite mountaineers and athletes should try to climb that hill.
If it wasn’t for the cash he wouldn’t have guided Mike to his death.
You'd think after six failed attempts he would realize he just COULD NOT DO IT.
@@kathleengeiger7083 exactly.
@@kathleengeiger7083 every dead body on Everest was once a highly motivated person. People need to be less motivated.
We hire professionals to prevent us from making bad decisions we would make without their expertise. Mark advised Mike to turn back before reaching the summit, but ego, poor judgement, etc. on Mikes part doomed him, and almost got his friend Mark killed too. Its natural for Mark to second guess his decision to leave Mike, but I don't question it.
Excellent documentary. Hearing the people at Basecamp trying to save the guide's life.. it's a hotline where you know someone is going to live or die in part depending on what you say next.
He told his friend he would come back to him, yes. What takes hold of people up there? The physical strain of technical climbing requiring super human strength and stamina, the lack of oxygen, the biting cold, the wind, the constant danger, emotions on a roller coaster. Nothing normal about any of it. Mike was blind before he lost his sight. He ignored the safety of his friend Mark. From where I sit, in my cozy home, it makes no sense.
Amazing film , Thankyou for putting it up !
Not one person who comes back maimed says “it was worth it.” But yet people just can’t stop going. And for what?! A picture where nobody sees your face ? Lol so silly
I cannot understand that Russell Brice let his guide going to the top soo late.
I've climbed all 8000+ peaks in under two hours without leaving my couch.
Alas, life has no further challenges.
Flying past Everest was breathtaking enough for me!
Fantastic story. Unbelievable video coverage. I’m speechless.
I don’t get how people disrespect their bodies by having their toes and or feet and hands cut off from frost bite. Your body tells you, hey you’ve got something seriously wrong here you need to adjust and fix this. But your mind ignores it and pushes the body on to the damaging point or total devastation. This sorta of reminds me of the walk of the lemmings. They keep marching themselves right to death.
Lemmings absolutely do not do this, it's a very old myth from the 17th century. Probably the saying should be "like humans"
really inspirational at a time i am at the lowest in my life, thank you
The lowest ebb, is the turn of the tide, keep going ❤
Everything passes, hang on in there - hope - hold on pain ends ❤❤❤❤
Please hang on. It does pass!
Keep going... it will get better!
The mountain is not the killer its just a mountain but its the fault of the people that choose to climb it
I am in my home warm with a coffee cup watching this video 😅. Climbing the mountain is beyond my comprehension and imagination.
Excelente documental. Gracias por compartir.
I’m fascinated by these videos but I don’t understand any of it. These people take it all so seriously as if there’s some big meaning behind what they’re doing and they don’t realise that none of them need to be there and it’s not benefiting anyone.
Lol I know, Simon, so true! That's what gets me - the seriousness, the earnestness. It's hilarious. You'd think they were performing surgery on a child stricken with cancer. :)))
Welcome back Mark, you did everything you could amd Mike would want you to live.
This is just insane! Me watching in my bed all warm and comfy😊
Wow, what an awesome story and superbly filmed movie! 😎
Wow, what an emotional documentary.
Nice work! Thanks for the insight.
Thanks forThank you for sharing your experience, to present your ascent with credibility, better than many who hide the truth in their videos because of them. Some climbers face accidents. I very much respect you and your credibility. You are a hero, and also your friend was a hero. The sunset view was the last thing he wanted to see from the summit of Everest, and he got it.
Everybody is responsible for their selves on this hill, people should not be blamed for not being able to bring down someone from the death zone.
Brutal but beautiful, the mountain gods are not to be played with.
I think you could consider this as a case of assisted suicide.
😂😂 pretty much!
Oooohhh damn….
Such a moving story 😢🙏🏻
In life, the number one factor in everything we do is luck.
To be a mountaineer, is to know the risk. Going up the highest mountain you are responsible for yourself. No one to bkame! All mountaineers know that! It is not a walk in the park!
Well, after he enters the spirit realm he can fly right up there and sit as long as he wants
thanks for uploading this ☻
I know I can’t relate to this but is this mountain climbing thing kind of an addiction? Is it wise to tempt fate like this? When is enough enough? You climb Everest and than go, I want more. Than you climb K2. Than that’s not enough and you want to climb every 8,000 meter mountain in the world. Good god man, are you just going to keep climbing until you fall and die? What was that number of those that summit and those that die? 1 out of 6 on Everest? What about your family? Are they just dog meat? What if you have a wife and kids? Seems pretty selfish. I don’t know. I just don’t get it.
I agree! The guy that left the other one up there does have a wife and kids and most of the men that do this are at least married and its seems selfish to me to not care about purting yourself in danger amd worrying your partner.
There is a very thin line between brave and crazy.
One Crazy young guy climbed Everest & Skied back down!! & Somehow Survived to talk about it!! I couldn't believe it, he was the 1st to do so, but the Addiction hadn't let go, so he Tempted Fate yet again, he wanted to do it without Oxygen & break another record! He made it to the top, put his skies on & Jumped into the Abyss😳 Never to be seen again!! From memory he was only in his early 20's, with a loving family & a long term girlfriend! Thankfully he didn't have children that would also suffer the trauma of his death & the not knowing where his remains are!
If you look for " Skiing Mt Everest" 🎿🏔️ you'll probably find the story!!
Some folks are too Fearless for their own good!
"Ascending to the Top is Optional - but Descending back down is Mandatory" Ed Veisturs
RIP🙏 to all Everest's Lost Souls!😞🥀
Dude, easy, if you want answers, go climbing and get the answers yourself, but I bet you won’t
@@CutmeMick LOL not at 72 yrs of age.
Ozzies should generally be kept off this mountain. They have a very bad name when it comes to overestimating their capabilities and mountain judgment.