Christian bullying in Mormonism.
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
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How Mormon kids bully others.
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Imagine throwing away someone's peach tea, thinking you are saving their eternal soul. 🤣🤣🤣
My mother was born in Utah and she used to say " I know who these people are." She knew they were back stabbers and liars.
I’m 60. Moved to south east Idaho when I was 7. There are more Mormons here than in salt lake Utah(98.5% when I was in School) definitely got bullied in School and was not respected as a human being just because I was not Mormon.
Hi. Hard words!!! But you know we have the ability to think by ourselves.
@@alfonsoperez9835 Truth hurts. I've seen it myself having been born there. You have to live it to know it.
I have never seen this.
@@jojosymonette3163if you have never seen this then you are either not a mormon, or you are a liar. this happens constantly.
Actual Christians know that everyone has sinned, so no one has the right to bully anyone else about it, especially not for drinking tea or coffee, which is not a sin!
The unfortunate thing is SOOOO many Christians engage in bullying, so many that our faith has nearly become synonymous with bullying.
I’m ngl why you said they yelled sinner I imagined a whole bunch of dudes in robes following you with a bell saying shame shame shame
Game of thrones reference? That scene the whole time i was watching i was thinking it was like when i was mormon
@@user-tu3ol6yh8p nah man medieval Catholic Church this type of crap was fairly common in my circle I was raised traditional catholic they are not quite as bad as the Mormons but there close
@@emperorshrek5827 Amen 🙏
NeverMo here... I went to HS in Utah county, came out in school, and lived in a community that refused to let their kids be friends with me because I didn't go to church. The day I was outed it was like I got a 6 ft force field. No one talked to me, sat by me, interacted with me. It was so lonely, but there was bullying/SA from many of the good Mormon boys.
I'm so sorry that happened to you 😔
I was raised in that church but I always detested and hated it. I think that where I was at though the people(kids my age) were a lot more real an reasonable, my "mormon" friends didn't care if someone else was or wasn't....I think we were all just "jack mormons"... ypur experience sounds horrible esp. for the age that you were
Oooohboy this gave me flashbacks... l hope you're in a better place these days, and I'm so glad you survived that BS
Sounds like seperatismn
Sorry that happened to you. That often happens to another minority group in a community, especially when it comes to things relating to values. People often shun those they fear will threatened their values like strict liberals avoiding conservatives. It happens the other way around where people shun Christians or LDS members because they're "too goody too shoes". They won't get asked to parties to events and often shunned so don't take it personally. Humans just have some unhealthy natural tendencies as a whole.
The culture is toxic. It's really unfortunate that more people don't see it. Smh.
I’ve been watching videos by a former Amish guy and I think the Amish can give the Mormons a run for their money in the toxic repressive cult category.
Damn the more I know about religions the more I understand how horrible and evil they are.
@@iDONTdoFacebook faith is one thing. I don’t have a problem with faith but repressive, judgmental, hate filled dogma that is more about human foibles and hang ups than God like love is definitely toxic.
A religion that tells you to hate yourself and others is not healthy.
@@iDONTdoFacebook No one said I was a Christian .
There are people of deep faith in many cultures. Christianity does not have monopoly on faith.
I base my distain for organized religion in human history that shows the on going catastrophic violence, pain and suffering that religion has caused. I’m referring to the crusades, the Holocaust , Middle East unrest, Indian partition, the Irish Troubles etc. All these are rooted in religious doctrine.
That’s what I reject. If you need a dogma to understand your faith , that is for you to decide but be aware that not all people agree.
Too many people have had their lives damaged because doctrine that others them or protects pedophiles, bullies and murderers .
Your dogma doesn’t work for everyone, be at peace with that and allow them to live their truth while you live yours.
Wouldn’t that be the Christian thing to do ?
@@iDONTdoFacebook I can see you are deep in your beliefs but that is immaterial to me.
Please don’t proselytize to me. It will not sway me, it will only drive me away.
Just as you need many teaching techniques to reach all children , I believe there are many religions to reach all people. Jesus is just one path.
Yet His name is used to deny a vast majority of the world their faith. Jesus’s primacy is your opinion. We can’t know if it’s God’s .
I certainly won’t presume to speak for God. I will try to life a good life and improve my bit of the world. I am not so arrogant to think I have authority to do more. I certainly don’t try to tell people what to believe.
@@iDONTdoFacebook I am just so fascinated by your vehement defense of organized religion.
I’ll never understand but then I don’t have to.
Sorry, I triggered you.
You have fun spreading your views. I’m sure some people might care. I’m just not one of them.
I’m sure you “won” the argument. I am totally vanquished. Good work, hon. TTFN
This happened to me on a daily basis my freshman year at a Nazarene high school and several times a week when I went to a private Christian college. But I was prayed for and called sinner because I support the LGBTQ+ community. Like literally outside in the middle of the sidewalk people would stop me and say “oh we’ve heard about you. Let’s pray..” more like prey.
If you encourage people to stay in their sin you are doing wrong. The alphabet lifestyle is sin.
@@oldlefty1267 remind me where in the Bible it tells you to judge random people on the internet? Because, from what I remember, it's a sin to judge people.
@Old Lefty so is forcing people NOT to love the consenting adult they love. That's not our business. No religion should control relationships, especially intimate ones.
@Lin I have no ability to judge, that is God's responsibility. I do have the ability and responsibility to let people know that their sinful behavior will result in eternal damnation whether you like it or not.
@Ashley Leonard Knowingly encouraging someone to stay in a sinful lifestyle of any kind is NOT love, it is hate. Why would I encourage a person to end up in hell for eternity?
The first mistake is believing this is a Christian organization 🤷🏼♀️
I have been both a Mormon and a Christian and I have to say that your comment is not the flex you think it is.
@@MichaelWilliams-oo7miit's not a flex any more than an AA meeting is.
@@MichaelWilliams-oo7mithen you have never been and understood the fundamental beliefs, practices, and preaching of the Christian faith. To think there is no difference is to either be confused or flat out ignorant.
@@reyleon2602 meh, they're both fake nice and hypocritical so...
@@Judithica whats your worldview? Are you atheist or agnostic?
I'm a Christian. 50 years of devotion to God. Christians of various denominations can be extremely hateful with false righteousness.
I still follow Jesus and there are too many hateful Christians.
But mormons are not Christian.Till the temples are gone they are not of the Christian faith.💖
@@iDONTdoFacebook you drop His name ..But you do not know Him.
@@iDONTdoFacebook bla bla bla 😁😁💖💖💖
Love ya man ..💖💖💖💖
@@iDONTdoFacebook bla bla bla loveya man😁😁😁💖💖💖💖
Oh man, the memories this brought back! Hahaha!! Yeah I can laugh now but….
My family converted (ostensibly to keep our family together in THIS world) when I was 😅 in the 10th grade. All the Mormon high schoolers fellowshipped me and taught me about how good Mormon girls conducted themselves. I went to seminary and got straight A’s. I lived how they taught me. Then they just tortured me for living that way calling me Polly Pure and Molly Mormon. I didn’t start to question the church until I got into college. Glad I left then.
Grew up in southern Idaho and all do this is so true. I grew up in the church but left it in highschool. Lots of bullying
Their whole coffee and tea rule came from a couple quarrel. He didn't like her girl chatters and gossip over coffee and tea and she didn't like cleaning his friends tobacco spit. She told him "it would be really convenient if there was a sudden revelation that this is a sin"
Also, Mormons aren't Christians. That's not Matthew 18 church discipline
How can anyone respect ANY religion that allows it's believers to shout that at another just for having a cup of coffee or tea? How damned ridiculous.
That would make anyone question the validity of any such clandestine religion. It would me.
I definitely got it! I just started to miss something in my soul, it was like if I was empty! The feeling never give me peace! It was on me! Even when I was in side the Templo! But somehow I went to the mass at a Catholic Church and I just started to fell hungry it was a sensation and finally I saw the body of Christ! It was fulfilled my soul ❤I never was experience something like that before! I new Jesus was there! And since that moment Little by little I got far from Mormon church. And here I am! Happy to be Catholic ❤
This is my personal experience this is sacred for me and it’s important to me this changed my soul ever!
And when a friend Mormon want to push me to have religious conversation they are so rude ! And don’t understand that is my life ! And I deserved be respect for the love that I found in other religion.
I respect Mormon people they do a good job in their life! I was raised Mormon, everything good I’ve been learn there. But I was looking for something to fulfill my soul because it was hungry. And now I’m not hungry anymore! I still love and praise God and worshipping Jesus my Lord.
I just want a right to be who I am!
Thanks for sharing this video!
This is why we call it child abuse!
One of my favorite LDS quotes is "Members of the church are like fertilizer, spread out, they do a lot of good. Piled up, they just make a big stink". J. Golden Kimball.
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I grew up in a very strict "non-denominational" church that acted very similar. Ended up making me rebel even harder. The real key is balance.
Not even in a Mormon area, just the regular ol' Bible Belt and I can definitely relate. I literally got bullied for being the only one in my government class who was willing to debate the Democratic side of a few issues in a mock election. Some other kids screamed things like "sinner" and "baby killer" and "slut" at me in the hallway, among other things. The teacher was standing right there and did absolutely nothing. Someone invited me to go to church, and when I politely declined and told them that I was not religious, well, all hell broke loose. Even "friends" were constantly trying to "save" me.
I grew up in Utah as a non-Mormon (and non-Christian) and everything was fine friend-wise until 8 yo (the age everyone gets baptised in the LDS). At that point so long as their parents didn't know I could play with them but the second the parents found out I would be told to go away and not come back. The kids would run away from me, refuse to partner with me on school projects (and if the teacher forced them they wouldn't work with me so I'd end up doing it all myself anyway)
I was told by adults I'd be cast into the outer darkness (Mormon hell) as a kid that's pretty fucked up. I couldn't join scouts or anything like that because they were all Mormon run where we were at. It was so bad my brother joined and was baptised around 11 so he could have friends. I never did.
The Mormons brainwashed him to the point that we don't talk anymore and haven't since he got back from his mission. If we have to talk it's like talking to any other stranger. Business-like and brief.
As a Christian i will cry😢😢😢
Ive got a huge group of LDS friends and they're the sweetest guys you can ask to be friends with. I'm not at all LDS but I still have love from them. I think there's a lot of old folk out there that push things TOO much on their kids. I've lived here in Utah my entire life and I have had some awkward moments, but wow. Sucks a lot of people are bullied. It might make sense(kinda bullying never makes sense) if you were in the church but left. I can see where they can call you sinner and maybe traitor or something.
I'm proud of you girl ❤ Mormons couldn't drink coke or Pepsi until they bought the companies
I’m a member of the church, but somthing i think we need to learn to stand by is, why judge when you aren’t even close to being perfect, I’m sorry for those who feel scared and hurt by these “faith servants”. I promise not all of us are like this.
I feel for you. Religious bullying is terrible. Someone shouted sinner! Maybe we should just stop the divisive cults altogether and ban religion?
One has to assume that all religions have crap like this since the whole bunch of them are just cults. There is no need for a church if you've got your hands on a Bible and you truly believe. If you can read, you can interpret it for yourself and you don't need to pay some preacher to interpret it, pay the church to attend it or have other people trying to tell you how you should live your life. Unreal.
And considering the parties I went to at BYU when I was going to school in Utah, not at BYU. The hypocrisy just kills me.
Technically, they were off-campus, but they were all BYU students
I was 13 when I turned away from that church.
As a Christian this makes me very sad to hear this girl was bullied over something as small as tea im very sorry you had to put up with this behavior.
Yes the church teaches that bully is the way to reach heaven thank you 😊
Hell, I grew up in "liberal" salt lake county and I remember parents of mormon kids who knew me telling me I was "going to go to hell". This was in grade school. Got told by my scout master that I would never get my eagle scout cause my family wasnt part of the church.
In Utah it’s this way and honestly it’s all about how you are raised. I never cared
Agreed
Over coffee and green tea ? 😂
Imagine thinking drinking hot leaf soup is a sin. Why did god create tea and coffee plants and gave them benefits to humans when consumed if they’re evil?
Thank you for your courage!
So sad that she was treated like this. She seems like a lovely person. Religion is such a lie.
Lol as a witness kid I wasn’t supposed to say “bless you” when someone sneezes! I still don’t understand why so by jr high I started using it at school regularly! Then I was at a witness conference and I accidentally let it slip all the kids in the pool followed the lead of this little girl I had spent all afternoon letting follow me around as she laughed at me and called me worldly! Because I said “bless you”
If my daughter openly drunk tea or coffee in a public place, SHAME would be brought to our entire existance
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I was also raised in Utah County. I had a group of friends that all got up and walked out of a PG-13 movie because there was a dance scene in a party club.
I stayed and watched the movie alone.
The reason why they put rings in pig's noses is to keep them from rooting out of the pen...
I love "jack-morman" women. Met plenty in Hawaii.
I got some stories. Church tried to make people give up kids. Like came to my house with 6 other elders . My dad went off
CULT.
I forgot about the coffee and tea! But honestly, we didn’t leave because the restrictions to our diets. We left because the religion is false! Jesus is real! He is not Lucifer’s brother or a created being.
The thing is, I know a lot of people don’t have my point of view about things and so what. I don’t hold them to my beliefs because they don’t believe what I do. The only person I ever said anything to in public was when we were eating out with our two little kids getting wide eyed and some loud mouth was sitting at a table dropping F bombs all over the place so I finally half stood up looked at the guy and I said “hey Bro I got kids here.” Well to the guy’s credit he apologized right off and quieted down. Then when I went to pay and walked by he apologized again. Then when we were walking out in the parking lot he was walking out also and apologized again. My kids were smiling and saying hi to the guy, he was really cool. I wouldn’t have said anything if it were just me I worked construction then and hear it all day long no biggie. I gotta hand it to him I half expected him to say F off but he didn’t. I wouldn’t have even heard it anything he was saying
Moral of story is: people get out of yourselves once in a while and just be nice to other people. There are mean backwards kids (and adults too) in every religious and other culture I don’t care which. The scriptures say don’t revile against others even when they are being jerks. Mormons aren’t taught to be disrespectful Joseph Smith said “we worship God according to our own conscience and all others have the same right let them worship how they may (or may not). I don’t find most people disrespectful like that shame on them if they do. I have family that smokes and drinks, we don’t, hey they are great people I love them I don’t judge. Utah is weird.
I’m so sorry you had a bad experience. This is why we call Utah crazy Mormon place in my family even though we are LDS 😂
That makes sense.
I served in the Marines with a Mormon from Mesa AZ he was down to earth and a great person and later I worked with Mormons from central Utah areas and the Utah Mormons are very strange..I just couldn't figure out where they were coming from, very roller coaster like, day to day..almost like multi personalities.
@@MrStaybrown AZ is not crazy for sure. I would know 😆
@@MrStaybrown a high demand abusive cult is nothing like a young brain responding to complex trauma as it forms you scrap of rotten shoe leather. Nobody can force you to understand other human beings but at the very least could you leave traumagenic disorders out of describing the Mormon veneer of forced happiness
a "mormon party," is more like "lets sit here compeltely motionless and watch disney movies even though we are grown adults." like... i whent to the young single adults ward and they made me carve pumpkins.
Sad we all persecute one another if your not their faith. Also persecuted by your own faith. Not to mention persecuted by the world.
Wow I am a Mormon yeah I don't follow what I'm supposed to but you know what none of no one's business they have no right to throw away a drink to say a word to you these people will rock
That was rot in hell, for being so judgmental
"OH no! Don't uninvited me from the absolute rager that is a Morman party."
God is definitely the greatest invention man ever made.
I was called a devil worshiper in Jr High because I wasn'tMormon.
Outrageous
This sounds like the Iglesia Ni Cristo/ Church of Christ. I'm sorry you've gone through this.
They were actually yelling "what's that steel booger in your nose?"
I went to Timpview and I can promise you a lot of those rich, Mormon kids were doing worse things than tea and coffee.
I just want to point out a true Christian don't try to hurt nobody so if they're hurting you they're probably not a Christian
Uhhh, sure. Christians never get together and hurt others.
Well the funny thing is that you don't decide what they are, religious identity-wise, they do.
If they say they're christian, then they're Christian and fundamentally you have no say in the matter.
A lot of terrible things have been done due to people thinking they can decide these things and judge others like that. It's a very slippery slope.
You can say you're of a different sect of the overall faith, or that the teachings you value are different than theirs, but you're both still christian.
@@amazingkool I understand your viewpoint, but this isn’t true. They can call themselves Christians - and Mormons do, but they are not Christians. This isn’t to be hateful, it’s just plain true. We Christians have objective points of faith regarding the nature of God (Triune, etc), the authority of the Bible, the way of salvation, and most importantly the nature of Christ. The Mormons do not believe what Christians believe about Christ. Truth is truth, and it has to be true. It cannot be relative. They can call themselves Christians. Objectively, however, they are not. This is well established in Christian tradition. I feel bad for a lot of ex-Mormons because of this. They get burned by their religion and end up rejecting Christianity outright, thinking it the same as what they’re leaving.
@@yup306"the truth is the truth" and "it cannot be relative" doesn't make any sense in this context. They think they have the truth too and there's no real distinction between your truth and theirs. Christians are just religious groups that believe in the spiritual significance of Jesus Christ. All the details surrounding that just define the sect of the religion.
@@arowace498 There is a huge distinction, and that’s my entire point. “Their truth” isn’t genuine Christianity. You cannot simply assert that they’re the same without knowing what both groups believe.
Not only that, but Christians are not groups that simply believe Jesus was significant, and diverge there. Christianity has particular lines, when it comes to Christ, it draws in the sand via definitions. There is room to deviate from less important points, like what instruments to use in worship services (which is where a lot of groups deviate), but there isn’t room in Christianity to deviate on who Christ is, His nature and His work. Mormonism sets forth a whole new belief system, outside of what the canonical Bible tells us, about Christ. If, then, it enumerated something different from the Christian faith about Christ, it is objectively something different from Christianity.
I’m not just pulling this out of nowhere, either. There is a well-established distinction and it’s well established among theologians that Mormonism isn’t Christianity.
Think of it this way : I can cook “spaghetti”. if I make a salad, using maybe some of the same ingredients, like tomatoes, as spaghetti, is it still spaghetti? I can call it spaghetti, but its nature is different. It is objectively something else. If “my truth”, in calling it spaghetti, conflicts with THE truth, that it just isn’t spaghetti, “my truth” isn’t truth.
This isn’t, again, to hate on Mormons, because so many are victims of a system that calls itself Christian, but just isn’t.
Jesus hates Coffee and Tea but a super caffeinated energy drink is ok?
Yes. 😊
@@trichey1712
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no jesus likes to take grape juice an turn it into blood an make everyone drink it .
I guess that means they no longer believe in free will. And I can't remember when Christ would belittle people. Peculiar....
Hot drinks are the devil's temperature!
even hot chocolate
Isn't the devils temperature hotter😆
@@joycerose3508 especially hot chocolate
So is the sun, so is a hot shower, so is Heat … how silly… big change is coming
WOW 😮
I was approached by one of the Elders or Bishop when a teen,why I was not paying my tithe of 10 percent. I said I only get so icy allowance. I promised I would pay it. I don’t remember now if I did or not!
icy allowance? what is that.
Remember boys and girls stay away from all religions an live , free especially in you mind .
I am a Christian and I love my coffee. I would and could never be a Mormon
I grew up in the LDS church in California. Never experienced anything like this. Can’t blame the religion for crazy zealots who make up gReid own doctrine. I’m sorry you were bullied but that’s everything we teach against
Growing up in Orem...this is so true 🤣
What do teenage kids know about anything? All kids do is talk without understanding. Criticizing everyone without depth of understanding. Show me the perfect member in any church. Don't make a spiritual decision based on kids behavior.
Utah County is the most radical LDS County in the State of Utah.
I'm surprised the church has not calved by now
Utah is another planet. As a child growing up as Mormon it’s an aspirational place. As I grew older Utah Mormon’s just became weirder and weirder. I think each country will have their own version of Mormonism with a tinge of American Mormonism and Utah is probably the worst anyways
I guess I’m too black for all that passive aggressive stuff because behavior like that will literally get you punched on site
That's a cultural thing. Not a religious thing. People bullying others or trying to get them to conform to cultural norms is common. You see similar things with kids bullying others over the types of sneakers they wear or who try hang out with.
This isn't something you'd typically find outside of Utah or other highly populated LDS communities.
The funny part is that Joseph Smith obviously came up with the rule against hot and cold drinks because he had bad teeth! Voila! An edict straight from God!
I love these videos I’m apart of the church
Imagine being raised and growing up in payson in the 90s.
Does "Bullying" equate to being a Christian? Naw, no way in hell.
So I’m curious now , anyone feel it’s a little different? I been in Utah for 9 years and I have noticed a HUGE change since coming here till now . Is it better in schools now ?
As a Mormon I don't condone Christian bullying, all religions are 100% able to have there own beliefs. Mormon kids should not physically or mentally bully Christian children, instead we should learn to talk to them about it. If anyone agrees plz reply to this comment.😁
I know this is a major subject of contention in the Mormon/ex-Mormon world, but this is not “Christian” bullying. It’s Mormon bullying. Very different.
True brain washing applied there.
You mean Teenagers were acting rude!?!
Oh, say it's not true!
This has nothing to do with Mormonism
every religious group or church has its sheep an wolves: its angels and it demons, its saints and its sinners.and just as satan can transform himself into an angel of light God can transform himself into an angel of darkness.beware outward appearances can be deceptive.pure spirit can assume any form.
The only thing I disagree with what you said is, "Christian bullying". Mormonism is NOT Christianity.
They were Supposed to Uplift You not say anything bad they were to embrace you in Love. I don’t know their parents but I know they were raised Better. We as LDS. Don’t bully our sisters& Brothers if they need support
Mormans are not Christian’s
i absolutely hate that seminary is a part of high school in utah
🇬🇧 im a Sinner 😇 im living my life, you only get one life, live it, & love it. 😈😉
I’m the exact same I stopped believing in the church in a largely Mormon town and all my friends growing up where and still are Mormon and I started showing I don’t believe it by bringing coffee and swearing a little bit and at one point I even said it. Luckily they aren’t SOOOO Mormon so I’m still friends with them. But they say to me “oh you need to go to church” “how long has it been since you’ve been to church” etc.
This is way Europe kicked them out in the late 19 hundreds
So it has always been my understanding that Mormons are not “Christians” as they do not believe that Jesus is the son of God. Many “Christian” denominations consider Mormonism a cult. You can find this in a publication called “kingdom of the cults” is it reference manual written in the 70s.
Is this true?
Fixed the title:
“[Mormon] bullying ….”
They could do this with strict southern Baptist too
My aunt and uncle are in on that ish, my uncle actually told me that there's good people in hell when I told him I'm not sure what I believe and I'm a good person
Also one too is at the Walmart they don’t sell tobacco products/ But get this they sell alcohol beer I guess the Mormons got to have their sacrament meeting every night at 5:00pm😅
On the assumption that Mormonism is Christian.
What's they're position on The Trinity?
oh the humanity!
That is not" Christian" bullying, that's morman bullying.
No, that's Mormon bullying. I'm a Christian, drink all the tea you want. Oh by the way, we are all sinners so....love the sinner and hate the sin.
Wow, if those kids stepped into my high school they'd been terrified. We use to snort crank off our biology tables during class behind our books on end while the teacher was talking. None of the kids behind us ratted cuz there were about eight and they knew if just one had we would have gone after every single one just to make sure we got the right guy. Or girl, we didn't care.
The stories I could tell you would make the us government prosecute the church for their crimes.
Not allowed to drink coffee? Wth
Christianity ≠ Mormonism
Are you equating Mormonism with Christianity? 🤔