This amount of rust and mechanical wear, for an almost "new" clock!? I assume it is caused by both inferior material quality and lack of presicion in production and assembly. Maybe it has lived in a humid area too, with so much rust. Looking forward to see if the owner is ready to pay for the amount of work required. Thank you for another video 🙂
A very interesting clock with the calendar features. Yuck, what a lot of rust and some of those lantern pinions are just a mess. Hopefully the owner will have you fix it and hopefully you will show us what you did. I always enjoy your videos.
My thoughts exactly! Would be fascinating to watch James restore this clock - between the rust and the butcher, it's gonna put all his skills to test! Hope the owner moves forward.🤞
Never seen one of those before, even a replica. It's sacrilege to see it in such a condition, I bet an original wouldn't be as bad as that if it had just been left alone. Let us know how you get on with it please
If you decide to restore it, it's going to be a complete rebuild. It had a rough life but it seems the manufacturing was poorly done to start with. The ratchet wheels looks nasty. Is it worth restoring?
Its all up to the current owner, there aren't many of these around that people are selling, one person would say not and another will say move forward.
@@TKELCH I prefer the chelation process because chelation does not damage the steel like sanding or acid strippers do and it reaches deeper than a rust converter process. There's several companies producing a chelation solution one of the best known ones is Evapo-Rust.
Worst I have seen in a while for such a new movement, I suspect some of it might be from the acid soldering flux not being cleaned after the soldering was all done. What ever it was, it destroyed the movement.
I hope you charge that customer a premium since for the time and effort you'll put in it, you'll be giving him a new clock at the end of the day. If this came to my workbench and as much I love to restore things to original quality, I would turn it down. Plus it's made in China with poor brass and steel.
Yes, if done it will be like new again. I get a lot of customers with clocks that were told by others that their clock is not fixable, they end up working again when they leave my shop. Can't confirm quality of brass and steel used in it, would need to have a metal analysis done or find someone with a handheld XRF analysis gun to know for sure.
@@jamesmartin5370 Hi James, thanks for responding. Me personally, I just avoid (or at least try to) all import items from China and surrounding countries excluding Japan in some instances since they still uphold traditional workmanship and values on certain items. I guess once all of the rust is removed, the surfaces will look like the surface of the moon. I foresee a lot of lathe work and polishing. I wish you all the best and I hope the customer will appreciate and take care of your hard work. I picked up an old Seth Thomas ship's clock with exterior bell and I speculate the mainspring broke in it's past. Has bent gears including other damage but it will be a joy to work on and get it running again. The previous person working on it looks to have fixed/replaced the spring, forgot to remove the C clamp from the bell mainspring, and put it back together and called it quits. Love the videos, I learn a lot from them!
The slot in the post on the plate can be opened up with anything that is similar to an exacto blade, be sure its in a handle and move it slowly with a rocking motion, keep your fingers out of its path.
@@jordanbusby6231 They come up for sale every once in a while, they made thousands and thousands of them so surprising still a lot of them kicking around.
I have seen some "bad" clocks come across my bench over the years but never one that bad. Looks like the brass used (in China) was poor quality to begin with. I've worked on "real" clocks from that era that don't show anywhere near that much wear. Looks like a 4 yr old child filed the ratchet wheels by hand. There have been times (like when a woman brought me a cuckoo clock IN PARTS IN A BAG and when I quoted her $350 MINIMUM to repair it, said "I only paid $10 for it at a garage sale) that I have walked away from business. People don't appreciate the skills required to do a competent repair job on a mechanical clock or watch. I think I would have to walk away from this job if it landed on my bench. I've see some clocks offered by "Pro Clocks" and figured they were junk. That clock probably only sold for $350 when new. I've had people ask "Is it worth fixing?" I try to be honest but gentle......in this case "NO"......
This one has not been treated well, I didn't point it out but one of the 4 or 5 punch marks on the brass mainwheel gear ended up leaving a crack completely through the brass of that gear, it can be seen in the video if you look for it, not sure why they punched next to the gear teeth like they did, maybe to attempt to lengthen the teeth so they would mesh deeper in the pinion, just too many defects to list all of them on this movement. I hear a lot of mixed discussions about "Pro Clocks"
Les fabricants donnent un aspect pour vendre,je préfère des horloges plus simples mais avec un mouvement de qualité,2 aiguilles me suffisent pas besoin de complications
Ces types d'horloges à calendrier étaient populaires dans les années 1850. Lorsque les calendriers papier ont commencé à être imprimés et sont devenus populaires, les horloges à calendrier ont perdu leur place sur le marché et ont donc été supprimées dans les années 1900.
Sorry state of affairs here, but : "made in china" tells you a lot! Probably poor quality brass what with all the cracking, and the rust is from low quality steel. I would say it is hardly worth repairing. By the time you fix all the problems, you could have built a replica.
Yes, owner decided against rebuilding this one after inspection revealed its condition. Very little on this movement that is serviceable or repairable. These are a highly sough after movement style. 1st ones were produced in 1865, most of Mr. Ithaca original Skeleton Calendar Clocks today are in private collections and museums and rarely come up for sale. Most people only have these replicas to choose from if they ever want to own anything close to an original Ithaca.
very good watch, I hope you keep working on it
This amount of rust and mechanical wear, for an almost "new" clock!? I assume it is caused by both inferior material quality and lack of presicion in production and assembly. Maybe it has lived in a humid area too, with so much rust. Looking forward to see if the owner is ready to pay for the amount of work required. Thank you for another video 🙂
I agree, damp with maybe a bit of salt from the ocean.
@@jamesmartin5370 I was also thinking sea air. Something those living near a coast don't immediately think of.
A very interesting clock with the calendar features. Yuck, what a lot of rust and some of those lantern pinions are just a mess. Hopefully the owner will have you fix it and hopefully you will show us what you did. I always enjoy your videos.
Thanks Paul, I get a lot butchered movements that I bring back from the other side.
Please, Mr. Martin, keep us updated on this one. Assuming the customer moves forward. It would be interesting to see video of some of your work on it.
Ok...
My thoughts exactly! Would be fascinating to watch James restore this clock - between the rust and the butcher, it's gonna put all his skills to test! Hope the owner moves forward.🤞
Never seen one of those before, even a replica. It's sacrilege to see it in such a condition, I bet an original wouldn't be as bad as that if it had just been left alone. Let us know how you get on with it please
Wow that's going to be quite a project if the customer chooses to move forward with repair.
Yes, I can manage all the fixing it needs, its up to the owner on how I will move forward from here.
If you decide to restore it, it's going to be a complete rebuild. It had a rough life but it seems the manufacturing was poorly done to start with. The ratchet wheels looks nasty.
Is it worth restoring?
Its all up to the current owner, there aren't many of these around that people are selling, one person would say not and another will say move forward.
Thank you
I love Your videos! James Martin, can you start setting off the chimes on theses so we can hear them? Thanks!
will do...
@@jamesmartin5370 Thanks for the re[ly. What is your opinion on cleaning a dirty or rusty gong? Should you sand them?
@@TKELCH
I prefer the chelation process because chelation does not damage the steel like sanding or acid strippers do and it reaches deeper than a rust converter process.
There's several companies producing a chelation solution one of the best known ones is Evapo-Rust.
@@jamesmartin5370 Thanks so much. I will look into that.
Looks like it’s been stored in a damp area for a long while!
Worst I have seen in a while for such a new movement, I suspect some of it might be from the acid soldering flux not being cleaned after the soldering was all done.
What ever it was, it destroyed the movement.
I hope you charge that customer a premium since for the time and effort you'll put in it, you'll be giving him a new clock at the end of the day. If this came to my workbench and as much I love to restore things to original quality, I would turn it down. Plus it's made in China with poor brass and steel.
Yes, if done it will be like new again.
I get a lot of customers with clocks that were told by others that their clock is not fixable, they end up working again when they leave my shop.
Can't confirm quality of brass and steel used in it, would need to have a metal analysis done or find someone with a handheld XRF analysis gun to know for sure.
@@jamesmartin5370 Hi James, thanks for responding. Me personally, I just avoid (or at least try to) all import items from China and surrounding countries excluding Japan in some instances since they still uphold traditional workmanship and values on certain items. I guess once all of the rust is removed, the surfaces will look like the surface of the moon. I foresee a lot of lathe work and polishing. I wish you all the best and I hope the customer will appreciate and take care of your hard work. I picked up an old Seth Thomas ship's clock with exterior bell and I speculate the mainspring broke in it's past. Has bent gears including other damage but it will be a joy to work on and get it running again. The previous person working on it looks to have fixed/replaced the spring, forgot to remove the C clamp from the bell mainspring, and put it back together and called it quits.
Love the videos, I learn a lot from them!
What an unusual clock! Does it strike on the bell on the top or does it have a passing strike? Take care!
All of these I have seen use the bell on top for the strike
Okay, I love the skeleton style of this clock.
Lots of damage/rust on this one. Are the lantern pinions normally secured with a punch?
I've always seen them with the brass swaged or a punch like tool used to deform the brass.
@@jamesmartin5370 Thanks for your reply!
Quick question Mr. Martin how do I open the slot for the suspension spring on a Waterbury Gingerbread clock movement?
The slot in the post on the plate can be opened up with anything that is similar to an exacto blade, be sure its in a handle and move it slowly with a rocking motion, keep your fingers out of its path.
@@jamesmartin5370 thank you
@@jordanbusby6231 Go slow and easy, it doesn't take much to open the slot.
@@jamesmartin5370 thanks again
This clock must have come by Overland Route and someone found it in the sand in Utah and brought it the rest of the way.
Its had a tough life so far....
@@jamesmartin5370 Sounds like you think you may be able to resurrect it! This should be interesting, with all that corrosion on the wheels.
Can I have it please
WOW - so much wear for what is a relatively recent device. A very neglected & abused clock methinks!
Someone placed it in unfavorable conditions for some reason.
Hi, mr martin how are you?
Just great, how about yourself, any projects at the moment?
@@jamesmartin5370 I would like to get an en welch movement for parts for a sessions that I have to get the strike side going again
@@jordanbusby6231 They come up for sale every once in a while, they made thousands and thousands of them so surprising still a lot of them kicking around.
@@jamesmartin5370 that's true have you ever repaired an ingraham wizard or alamo?
@@jordanbusby6231 Yes, very dependable, basic work horse movements in those.
I have seen some "bad" clocks come across my bench over the years but never one that bad. Looks like the brass used (in China) was poor quality to begin with. I've worked on "real" clocks from that era that don't show anywhere near that much wear. Looks like a 4 yr old child filed the ratchet wheels by hand. There have been times (like when a woman brought me a cuckoo clock IN PARTS IN A BAG and when I quoted her $350 MINIMUM to repair it, said "I only paid $10 for it at a garage sale) that I have walked away from business. People don't appreciate the skills required to do a competent repair job on a mechanical clock or watch. I think I would have to walk away from this job if it landed on my bench. I've see some clocks offered by "Pro Clocks" and figured they were junk. That clock probably only sold for $350 when new. I've had people ask "Is it worth fixing?" I try to be honest but gentle......in this case "NO"......
This one has not been treated well, I didn't point it out but one of the 4 or 5 punch marks on the brass mainwheel gear ended up leaving a crack completely through the brass of that gear, it can be seen in the video if you look for it, not sure why they punched next to the gear teeth like they did, maybe to attempt to lengthen the teeth so they would mesh deeper in the pinion, just too many defects to list all of them on this movement. I hear a lot of mixed discussions about "Pro Clocks"
Les fabricants donnent un aspect pour vendre,je préfère des horloges plus simples mais avec un mouvement de qualité,2 aiguilles me suffisent pas besoin de complications
Ces types d'horloges à calendrier étaient populaires dans les années 1850. Lorsque les calendriers papier ont commencé à être imprimés et sont devenus populaires, les horloges à calendrier ont perdu leur place sur le marché et ont donc été supprimées dans les années 1900.
Lovely clock, but the hands are way out of proportion.
Sorry state of affairs here, but : "made in china" tells you a lot! Probably poor quality brass what with all the cracking, and the rust is from low quality steel. I would say it is hardly worth repairing. By the time you fix all the problems, you could have built a replica.
Yes, owner decided against rebuilding this one after inspection revealed its condition.
Very little on this movement that is serviceable or repairable.
These are a highly sough after movement style.
1st ones were produced in 1865, most of Mr. Ithaca original Skeleton Calendar Clocks today are in private collections and museums and rarely come up for sale.
Most people only have these replicas to choose from if they ever want to own anything close to an original Ithaca.