100% AGREE! ALSO in your area of the country, stucco and stone are popular. They hold up well in harsh desert sunlight. They are "reservoir" claddings. Stucco, brick, and stone shed a lot of bulk water, but they also ABSORB a lot of water. No eaves means no 'air gap' behind the cladding to dry the structure after rain. Even without b bulk water, condensing vapour will drive moisture into the structure (along with mold and rot spores, bacteria, and insects). There is also no mitigation of heat, glare, and light from summer sun. You are creating added and unnecessary a/c load. I'm solidly on the "add the biggest eaves your wind zone allows for" camp. Matt Risinger builds without eaves to create a 100% continuous air and water control layer and then hangs eaves on before roofing, thus getting the best of both worlds. He calls it "monopoly house framing." Some architects may like the no-eaves, super-contemporary look, but it just makes me cringe!
I didn't understand this when I purchased my home nearly 20 years ago. Now I'm having issues with water running down onto my windows - which are flush to the house - would it be cheaper to add awnings to all my windows to prevent moisture damage? Eventually want to address all of it but looking for least expensive route now. I just got gutters a few years back which seems to be helping some. Thanks for any input!
Thanks for the video. What do you think they are doing in the UK where many homes don’t have eaves? (English Manor homes/early Georgian) my guess would be those homes are much more breathable and are expected to get wet and dry out. Thanks again👍
Good question! I think it is mostly a fire issue. It is also an issue with homes so close that eaves can drop water on the neighbor and no eaves is a way to contain water on your property. I still prefer eves.
I moved in UK from a 1950s house than unusually had 18" eaves to one that had the more common (1970s) 6" eaves. I much preferred the 18" eaves. With the wide eaves the upper windows hardly ever got any rain, and so stayed cleaner longer. The bedrooms also stayed cooler in the summer because they were shaded. As an amateur physicist, I'd also expect eaves to reduce evaporative cooling in wet conditions, if most of the wall is still dry. There's probably not much you can do about wet and windy, but there again, that happens less often.
Eaves in a hurricane area will rip off the roof off. In California the embers will go into the attic. NO to eaves. House looks so much better without them.
Having eaves is important in rainy regions, especially where they have stormy rain. Eaves "flush" the water immediately without letting the wind blows water back to the wall.
Can you tell from looking at a home from the outside that it doesn't have a raised heel truss? I'm looking at the house behind you, and I don't know I would determine that. I guess if the top of windows were right up against the fascia. If not, that's too bad for them. Might not realize how much that little space at the eaves without adequate insulation can effect the performance of the whole insulation system. I've seen it solved in existing homes by spray foaming at the eaves and then transitioning to blown insulation. Spray foam is so expensive, though. I can't imagine that is cheaper to do in a new home than just installing raised trusses.
Without eaves allows full sunlight into the windows. This is beneficial in colder climates. But in warmer climates eaves are beneficial. It keeps some sun out of the windows. If the windows are facing south. Eaves will keep out the summer sun and still allow in the winter sun for costless warmth.
You can have good architecture and design that is still capable of protecting your home. Any kind of damage almost always occurs because of ignorance of a potential problem, cutting costs, not paying attention to detail, rushing and missing steps, and/or negligence on the builder's part. Contemporary Nordic homes have no eaves, but are some of the most rugged homes I have seen built, and that says more about the builder than it does about the design. I feel like that needs to be expressed because not everybody wants to live in a suburb cookie cutter home and shouldn't be scared away from home designs that break those norms. As long as there are steps to address those potential issues, then it will last just as long.
Older homes like Nordic homes survived because they were allowed to breath. Anytime anything got wet, it could dry out. We do not build like this anymore and this puts greater pressure on design and skill.
I have a house in Denmark, built in 1979 with large eaves, and it is lovely in the summer. The sunshine doesn't fall on the windows in the south because of it.
I came here to check my theory: That my house is doing poorly because it has no eaves. That is to say, whenever a gutter overflows, there are big problems. I watched the rain gushing over the sides of my gutters during a heavy downpour, and seeing the water drench my house was sickening. No wonder my basement leaks, and the mortar joints are in bad shape. Now I'm hoping to add eaves, if that is even possible. Thanks for your video! 😀
How about building it like that so that your air and water barrier as well as thermal control layer is continuous from foundation, up the wall and it makes the turn onto the roof seamlessly. But then building overhangs to keep the rain away and to mount gutters onto?
The neighbors just built a house with no eaves AND no gutters. When it rains, the wood siding and brick fascia gets soaked. Plus we live in the mountains and it will be interesting to see what happens in the winter. They also have no snow fences and and the roof slopes down directly over their garage on the north face of the house. Dangerous. We just shake our heads.
I have self built 9 homes for myself in the northern area of the Midwest, I absolutely hate eves but I have always built them on the hip sides of my houses but usually skip them on the gable ends. Seems like a waste of materials, shingles, roof deck soffits etc. not to mention they seem to take quite a bit of time to build correctly.
I think there's a good reason that humans have been putting eaves on buildings these last 1,000 years at least. Saving construction costs just makes for more maintenance costs further down the line.
I'm an architect, and this is a style of design which I don't follow since I design in tropical climates. While I'm all for innovation, I think sometimes tried and true methods tend to outperform new innovations at least in the period when the construction methods and technologies have not yet caught up with the technical requirements of the style.
Good point. Tropical areas would not hold up with this design. I did a post while visiting Newport Beach and could not believe how much rot damage I witnessed in very high end neighborhoods.
The biggest problem with no overhangs (who the hell is Eve) is you lose essential ventilation. Besides it looks like you cheeped out and is not visually appealing.
I live in Arizona and there's a few houses like this. Not only that some don't have eaves or roof vents. I'm seeing some houses have problems with the stucco where it meets up with the edge of the roof I guess these designers must not think it rains in Arizona but it does. Besides it looking ugly the lack of a roof vent I know makes the house hot as Hell in the summer. I know there's some tiny vents up in the roof but there's no replacement for displacement. Decent houses I've seen built here have at least a 1' overhang, at least two soffet vents per roof truss, a ridge vent, and roof gap.
Not having eaves is just a pure money saving decision being called a "design decision ". Artistic design should always follow function - not the other way around . eaves have very important functions to be done away with : protect the house shell from elements , water and sun . keep the house cool in the summer and especially in hot climates .
Also, you did not mention soffit venting for the roof... no soffit, no vent? ...and if that house is built in a cold climate, and there's no insulation along the edge of the ceiling, it will likely 'sweat' moisture out of the air, like sweat on a beer bottle on a humid day.
Nope. There are plenty of ways to ventilate a roof without soffit vents, and anyway warm roofs are best practice now which don't require ventilation if fitted with an AVCL. Plenty of ways to detail a clipped eaves with continuous insulation - people just prefer to do what they've always done rather than think about alternative approaches.
Preach, eaveless homes are the work of cheap incompetent builders. There is absolutely zero chance you won’t get water behind a gutter like that. There’s a ton of those up here’s in the PNW and I all but refuse to look at them because the risks are based on how often every homeowner looked at them and what quality the builder had. A home with an eave can sustain years of neglect and still have water tight walls, may need new soffits or eaves but that’s a much easier reno .
100% AGREE! ALSO in your area of the country, stucco and stone are popular. They hold up well in harsh desert sunlight. They are "reservoir" claddings. Stucco, brick, and stone shed a lot of bulk water, but they also ABSORB a lot of water. No eaves means no 'air gap' behind the cladding to dry the structure after rain. Even without b bulk water, condensing vapour will drive moisture into the structure (along with mold and rot spores, bacteria, and insects). There is also no mitigation of heat, glare, and light from summer sun. You are creating added and unnecessary a/c load. I'm solidly on the "add the biggest eaves your wind zone allows for" camp. Matt Risinger builds without eaves to create a 100% continuous air and water control layer and then hangs eaves on before roofing, thus getting the best of both worlds. He calls it "monopoly house framing." Some architects may like the no-eaves, super-contemporary look, but it just makes me cringe!
Thank you for your reply and insight.
Definitely like the overhang as weather protection. Helps keep some rain off the walls besides protecting the gutter issues.
Yup
I didn't understand this when I purchased my home nearly 20 years ago. Now I'm having issues with water running down onto my windows - which are flush to the house - would it be cheaper to add awnings to all my windows to prevent moisture damage? Eventually want to address all of it but looking for least expensive route now. I just got gutters a few years back which seems to be helping some. Thanks for any input!
Coverings over the windows would be the best bet and best bang for the dollar.
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Thanks for the video. What do you think they are doing in the UK where many homes don’t have eaves? (English Manor homes/early Georgian) my guess would be those homes are much more breathable and are expected to get wet and dry out. Thanks again👍
Good question! I think it is mostly a fire issue. It is also an issue with homes so close that eaves can drop water on the neighbor and no eaves is a way to contain water on your property. I still prefer eves.
I moved in UK from a 1950s house than unusually had 18" eaves to one that had the more common (1970s) 6" eaves. I much preferred the 18" eaves. With the wide eaves the upper windows hardly ever got any rain, and so stayed cleaner longer. The bedrooms also stayed cooler in the summer because they were shaded. As an amateur physicist, I'd also expect eaves to reduce evaporative cooling in wet conditions, if most of the wall is still dry. There's probably not much you can do about wet and windy, but there again, that happens less often.
The larger the eve the better the protection on the house below it. A large eve can prevent water deteriorating windows, siding, trim, etc.
Big ditto on that.
Eaves in a hurricane area will rip off the roof off. In California the embers will go into the attic. NO to eaves. House looks so much better without them.
Depends on size of eave and if there is venting under. I have seen four inch eaves and three foot eaves.
@@HowToBuildYourOwnHome My point exactly eaves cause more damage and the only good is water not coming down on the wall of the house.
@@PyroShields Thanks for the comment
What about on the ends of a home?
I'd expect eaves to help both on the sides, and gable or hip ends.
Having eaves is important in rainy regions, especially where they have stormy rain. Eaves "flush" the water immediately without letting the wind blows water back to the wall.
Very true.
Pests get in through the attic through eves.
What are your thoughts on using a rain screen solution in a situation like this?
Definitely. Some kind of complete membrane is a plus.
I see no roof ventilation. Usually soffit vents or bird blocking is employed. All roofs need to be ventilated right?
I prefer to vent all roofs, this one surely could use it
No eaves, more air right. But will give water issues in long run. Thanks for bringing it up
You bet
Can I have eave added to my roof that doesn't have eave now?
Yes, it requires a bit of demo access inside to inside studs next to the existing roof trusses, but it can be done.
A lot of wall rot because of very little eve where I live, a lot of snow and rain effect the walls and foundation
Good point
Can you tell from looking at a home from the outside that it doesn't have a raised heel truss? I'm looking at the house behind you, and I don't know I would determine that. I guess if the top of windows were right up against the fascia.
If not, that's too bad for them. Might not realize how much that little space at the eaves without adequate insulation can effect the performance of the whole insulation system. I've seen it solved in existing homes by spray foaming at the eaves and then transitioning to blown insulation. Spray foam is so expensive, though. I can't imagine that is cheaper to do in a new home than just installing raised trusses.
Higher wall structure above typically indicates a roof step up, but not always. Some times you just need to look in the attic to see.
Without eaves allows full sunlight into the windows. This is beneficial in colder climates. But in warmer climates eaves are beneficial. It keeps some sun out of the windows. If the windows are facing south. Eaves will keep out the summer sun and still allow in the winter sun for costless warmth.
You can have good architecture and design that is still capable of protecting your home. Any kind of damage almost always occurs because of ignorance of a potential problem, cutting costs, not paying attention to detail, rushing and missing steps, and/or negligence on the builder's part. Contemporary Nordic homes have no eaves, but are some of the most rugged homes I have seen built, and that says more about the builder than it does about the design. I feel like that needs to be expressed because not everybody wants to live in a suburb cookie cutter home and shouldn't be scared away from home designs that break those norms. As long as there are steps to address those potential issues, then it will last just as long.
Older homes like Nordic homes survived because they were allowed to breath. Anytime anything got wet, it could dry out. We do not build like this anymore and this puts greater pressure on design and skill.
I have a house in Denmark, built in 1979 with large eaves, and it is lovely in the summer. The sunshine doesn't fall on the windows in the south because of it.
This design works well with continuous exterior insulation, although that doesn't seem to be happening here.
Such as sip panels?
Sips have insulation inside the wall.
I came here to check my theory: That my house is doing poorly because it has no eaves. That is to say, whenever a gutter overflows, there are big problems. I watched the rain gushing over the sides of my gutters during a heavy downpour, and seeing the water drench my house was sickening. No wonder my basement leaks, and the mortar joints are in bad shape. Now I'm hoping to add eaves, if that is even possible. Thanks for your video! 😀
Glad to help. I will keep it up
its insane how many houses is oregon do not have eaves
How about building it like that so that your air and water barrier as well as thermal control layer is continuous from foundation, up the wall and it makes the turn onto the roof seamlessly. But then building overhangs to keep the rain away and to mount gutters onto?
Thanks for your reply.
The neighbors just built a house with no eaves AND no gutters. When it rains, the wood siding and brick fascia gets soaked. Plus we live in the mountains and it will be interesting to see what happens in the winter. They also have no snow fences and and the roof slopes down directly over their garage on the north face of the house. Dangerous. We just shake our heads.
I already feel bad for them.
To me it looks like someone decided to build their own home, but got in an argument with the wife and just never finished it.
No eaves is good in bush fire areas graptor clips for guttering solves water ingress
Great comment
No eaves means no WASPS! 😆
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THATS what you think is important?
LOL
I have self built 9 homes for myself in the northern area of the Midwest, I absolutely hate eves but I have always built them on the hip sides of my houses but usually skip them on the gable ends. Seems like a waste of materials, shingles, roof deck soffits etc. not to mention they seem to take quite a bit of time to build correctly.
The building does not look complete without eaves.
I very much agree.
I think there's a good reason that humans have been putting eaves on buildings these last 1,000 years at least. Saving construction costs just makes for more maintenance costs further down the line.
Having no eaves is good for fire protection. Eaves are a danger zone. Plus it can look really nice. If you live in a drier climate it can be fine.
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I'm an architect, and this is a style of design which I don't follow since I design in tropical climates. While I'm all for innovation, I think sometimes tried and true methods tend to outperform new innovations at least in the period when the construction methods and technologies have not yet caught up with the technical requirements of the style.
Good point. Tropical areas would not hold up with this design. I did a post while visiting Newport Beach and could not believe how much rot damage I witnessed in very high end neighborhoods.
The biggest problem with no overhangs (who the hell is Eve) is you lose essential ventilation. Besides it looks like you cheeped out and is not visually appealing.
Very true
Thanks for your reply.
Not true. There are plenty of ways to ventilate a cropped eaves and with a warm roof and AVCL you don't need to ventilate.
@@Lastboomers Nope
Intake air for attic ventilation through the ventilated soffit?
No Soffit, less room for Intake Air, CRITICAL.
Very much agreed
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I live in Arizona and there's a few houses like this. Not only that some don't have eaves or roof vents. I'm seeing some houses have problems with the stucco where it meets up with the edge of the roof I guess these designers must not think it rains in Arizona but it does. Besides it looking ugly the lack of a roof vent I know makes the house hot as Hell in the summer. I know there's some tiny vents up in the roof but there's no replacement for displacement. Decent houses I've seen built here have at least a 1' overhang, at least two soffet vents per roof truss, a ridge vent, and roof gap.
I agree with you 1,000 percent.
Eaves will also reduce insolation on the walls, and make the house cooler that way.
Not having eaves is just a pure money saving decision being called a "design decision ". Artistic design should always follow function - not the other way around . eaves have very important functions to be done away with : protect the house shell from elements , water and sun . keep the house cool in the summer and especially in hot climates .
I agree one-hundred percent.
"No eaves" is penny wise but dollar foolish as well as putting form before function
Agreed
Earnestine Loaf
That's funny
no eeves no birds or bees!
Also, you did not mention soffit venting for the roof... no soffit, no vent? ...and if that house is built in a cold climate, and there's no insulation along the edge of the ceiling, it will likely 'sweat' moisture out of the air, like sweat on a beer bottle on a humid day.
Yup, very good way to put it, but we are in a mostly arid, dry and mild winter climate.
They may be using rigid insulation on top of the roof sheathing (ie warm attic) in which case venting is not required.
Nope. There are plenty of ways to ventilate a roof without soffit vents, and anyway warm roofs are best practice now which don't require ventilation if fitted with an AVCL. Plenty of ways to detail a clipped eaves with continuous insulation - people just prefer to do what they've always done rather than think about alternative approaches.
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Will do. Thanks
Eaves? Or, eves?
It is eaves. We fixed that typo. Thanks
Preach, eaveless homes are the work of cheap incompetent builders. There is absolutely zero chance you won’t get water behind a gutter like that. There’s a ton of those up here’s in the PNW and I all but refuse to look at them because the risks are based on how often every homeowner looked at them and what quality the builder had.
A home with an eave can sustain years of neglect and still have water tight walls, may need new soffits or eaves but that’s a much easier reno .
Very true. You put it better than me.