Notes: I'd appreciate it if you showed us Gregory I's wife and her link to Hugh. I found it interesting how the name Guy has evolved from pronunciation to not being a name anymore. As an Irishman, I find the fact that the name Hugh was once used by Italian kings very interesting. And finally, good point on how just because they were women, historians call them prostitutes. Reminds me of that deleted scene from Captain Marvel.
@@cormacmacsuibhne2867 Guy is still a name. I had to mention that as I was speaking to my friend Guy just before i watched this video! As for Hugh, it is a Germanic name. When the English conquered Ireland they 'Anglised' (that is Germanisised) the Celtic names. The Celtic name 'Aodh' was changed to 'Hugh'. My own name, Rory, was anglised to 'Roderick', which makes sense when you see the original Celtic spelling of 'Rudhraighe'.
@@matthewcastleton2263 Well, the consequences would be 1) more views for the pilot episode; 2) disparity of critics' and audience's score on RottenTomatoes, and a whole lot of IMDB reviews in the style of "I've wasted 45 minutes. Boring!"
John XII died, supposedly, when he was having an affair with a noble woman and her husband walked in on it. The husband subsequently picked the Pope up and threw him out the window. Or he died of a heart attack while in intercourse. He was more of a secular leader than a pope with stories, from political rivals mind you so take with a grain of salt, of him not knowing which god the Catholic Church worshiped. Benedict IX was another Pope who sucked at being Pope. St. Peter Damian called him "a demon from hell in the disguise of a priest ... occupying the Seat of St. Peter."
A suggestion for you: if you want to tell a story about powerful women try Caterina Sforza, the Tigress of Forlì, she held power in Rome, she conquered the conclave, she (sorta) defeated the french King and defied Cesare Borgia amongst many others
Great video Matt! As always. I feel like Papal history is quite underrated, especially considering how important and influential the pope was in the past. I live near Avignon, which is a tremendous city with a beautiful Papal Palace and tons of history so I wished more people talked about it.
8:46 "One of the reasons why it was so easy to convince the crowd to turn against Hugh and Marozia was that their marriage went against the laws of the Catholic Church, which did not allow a man to marry his brother’s widow." Me: *laughs in Henry VIII*
Some of the Byzantine empresses like Theodora,Pulcheria,Zoe and Irene of Athens were very influential and powerful women -some ruled in their own right.The era in papal history described in this video was still part of what is called the Byzantine papacy -many of the names of the chief protagonists are Greek of course.
The Byzantine Papacy actually precedes the saeculum obscurum by ~300 years, it ended in the 750s, when the papacy broke with the Eastern Roman Empire and aligned itself w/ the Franks instead.
@@angusyang5917 Still a lot of Greek influence around however judging by the names of many of the key players -Theodora and Marozia's father was Theophylact of Tusculum a very Greek name. Also remember that most of Italy had been conquered by the Lombards except for Rome, Ravenna and the coastal areas that were still Byzantine. Although the Lombards had converted to Catholicism from arianism the Pope still did not trust them and he called in the Franks to protect the papacy from the Lombards.
Quite right. And let's not forget her sister Julia Maesa who became the de facto ruler of the Roman Empire after she managed to depose Macrinus in 218 (Macrinus had killed her nephew Caracalla in 217). Elagabalus (Emperor 218-222) was just a figurehead, his grandmother Julia Maesa and his mother Julia Soaemias (the daughter of Julia Maesa) were the real power behind the throne. Julia Soaemias was often present at Senate meetings and even had her own Women-Senate (!) After Elagabalus and Julia Soaemias were killed in 222, Julia Maesa did put yet another grandson, Severus Alexander (Emperor 222-235) on the throne and ruled on his behalf until her death in 225. After that, Severus Alexander's mother Julia Mamaea (also a daughter of Julia Maesa) became the de facto ruler of the Empire until she and her son were both killed in 235. So essentially, the Roman Empire was ruled by a female dynasty for about 17 years. Someone should make a movie or a TV-Show about this time ("Rome"-style of course).
Thanks for the video. One minor error I picked up on. At 12.57 you mentioned that Pope Benedict VIII and Pope John XIX was the only example of brothers succeeding each other as popes. It had happened once before. Pope Stephen II (or Stephen III depending on how they are counted) was succeeded in 757 by his brother Pope Paul I.
8:51 I was going to also point that out too, and also this was the first catalist that let to the separation of the English church, many don't know this but Henry VIII married his Sister-in-law after his Brother died, the Pope at that time (after a big donation from Henry's Dad) gave a "papal dispensation" (an exeption to Canon Law) to allow their marriage, but Henry VIII argueed that the Pope can't do that so his Married was illegal so it should be annulled (this means they where never Legally married) it wasn't just that he wanted a divorce (The end of a Legal Marriage) He was arguing for something protestants were also saying at the time that the Pope wasn't above the Bible
Finally tally comes to her being a step-daughter, wife, mother, grand aunt, grandmother (of two), great grandmother (of two), great-great grandmother, great-great-great grandmother, and great-great-great-great-great grandmother of a pope
I remember reading about her in a "Treasury of Royal Scandals" by Michael Farquhar. Fascinating story, and a great read too. Books and videos like these show that history doesn't need to be boring and tedious archive of battles and conquests - sometimes it's enough to just make fun of the big people occupying thrones. I especially recommend the part about wicked popes, it's really a treat. Great video, as always ♥️
to be fair the term Saeculum obscurum does not only reflect the influence of powerful families but it was a pretty dark period for the western Church. the Muslims were at a cultural zenith mostly in formerly Christian lands and still held Sicily. North and central Europe were under attack by the Vikings and Hungarians, and the secular meddling in the appointment of abbots and bishops (particularly by the Ottonians) that would lead to teh investiture crisis were at their peak.
I don't think it's sexist to deem this period as the worst in the papacy because women holding power in a see is against canon law, so its even more serious. great video nonetheless
Gabriel Z and also the numerous male popes before and after Marozia weren’t exactly the best male popes either. I think the “Dark Age” label is justified, not sexist.
Another great video. I was wondering if you would do one on the maternal line of Mary Tudor. I know it's a random request, but interesting nonetheless.
The term seaculum obscurum is not just referring to the influence of Marozia, although it is a big part of it. The problem is not necessarily her gender, it's rather the fact, that popes should be celibate and pious. Being lovers of influential women is not exactly that. But there were other scandals, that gave the term "The Dark Age". Most notably the Cadaver Synod, where a pope dug out the corpse of the previous pope, dressed him up in regalia, then held a trial, found him guilty, cut three of his fingers and cast the rotting corpse into the Tiber River. It wasn't pure misogyny, when they called this period dark, it was truly the lowest point of the papacy. Sexual escapades was just one of many scandals.
2:00 This point is heavily disputed though... not sure how you can say it's " likely" , at least give us a reason how could Theodora hold the "real power" over her husban who is officially a count
Did it ever occur to you that Theodora could have held a higher status from birth than her husband!? Queen Elizabeth II is higher than her husband the Duke of Edinburgh! This happens!
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Another winner in this great collaberation of history pages and channels! This video had me scurrying to searches of these key players in the 900's. I MUST point out these certainly were the names of very antique families of the region ... the Tuscan group reference jumps out at me ... the Etruscan held a dozen bases, ancient city-states before there were city states ... I wonder about the longevity of the Etruscan themselves ... though said to be extinct ... the Lombardian Tuscan oldest families' genetic profiles have collectively the highest DNA % of Neanderthal genes on the planet ... just very interesting ... pretty cool stuff ... ANOTHER WINNING CHART, THERE, USEFUL!
Probably could be used for several towns of the Wild West being founded, maintained (and entertained I guess) by actual s workers, leading the towns to be so prosperous and well managed that they earned the women their voting rights before any reclamations even begun! (Maybe memory failed me since I can't remember names of said areas, feel free to correct mistakes if any are present!)
Benedict XVI officially has the title of papa emeritus, i.e. "former pope". While he is not the first pope to resign the Papacy, I do think he is the first one to use that title, mostly because in the other cases, the resigning popes fled or were forced into obscurity. making their post-papal title irrelevant. Disagreements or confusion over who was the true pope has had some interesting consequences for the numbering. E.g., The list of popes named Felix goes from Felix I to Felix III because pope Felix II is now considered to be an anti-pope. This also means that pope Felix III is sometimes called Felix II, when someone tries to correct the numbering, which is confusing. It's not only anti-popes causing problems with the numbering though. There is Stephen, who was pope for two days before he died of a stroke. He was elected pope, but he was not consecrated as a bishop. So whether he is to be known as pope Stephen II or only as pope-elect Stephen, becomes a theological question on the nature of the Papacy. Today, the Church doesn't consider him to be a true pope. The most confusing, though, is the popes John. First off, pope John XVI is today considered to be an anti-pope, so his number should have been re-used, but this never happened. Due to a clerical error (pun intended), people thought that there had been two popes named John XIV, so they "corrected" this by skipping over a number, from 19 to 21, so there is no pope John XX. But today we know this to be false - there was only ever one John XIV. The last pope to have the name John was pope John XXIII, the 21st pope named John.
I wouldn't say that the rest of Benedict IXs life was unknown. Many historians and also Catholic scholars note that Benedict IX retired to a monastery called Grottaferrata where he lived out his remaining days under the guidance of a monk named Bartholomew and where his body is still entombed.
"Project 'Herstory', a collaboration of 12 RUclipsrs, for Women's History Month!"...How flipping amazing is THAT? It's nice to see people using newer tech and platforms to come together and do collaborative and good work with their voice. I'm really, really impressed. Good for you!
IF there was not a woman who disguised herself as a man & ascended to Pope, why did they institute a new procedure to 'ratify' a chosen pope by inspecting HIS JUNK after her trickery? in the scholarly historical book written about Pope Joan, this was pointed out. this fact is portrayed in the Jeremy irons version of BORGIA Ep. 1.
06:02. what does it mean "although the title didn't really exist at the time?" why people keep this fiction that between charlemagne in 800 and otto i 962 the title of holy roman emperor didn't exist? what did charlemagne pass on then, and what did otto i 'inherit' 160 years later? the title was never re-created/re-issued for otto, it was simply held by people who controlled territories of a varying degree of size. it's arguable that the empire itself (re-)started with otto, but the fact that the title of holy roman emperor didn't exist between 800 and 962 is simply historically wrong.
it means the title of "holy roman emperor" which you could then pass to somebody - didn't exist. Charlemagne was emperor of the romans then Louis the Pious, and then the position died with the split into the 3 Frankias (West, East and Middle) so it literally didn't exist, only Otto the Great transformed the kingdom of East Francia into the Holy Roman Empire
@@fclp67 the title of holy roman emperor existed and was passed on for a century and a half, otherwise it would have to be recreated for otto by the pope, which didn't happen, as otto's predecessor was berenger i of italy, and there were half a dozen holy roman emperors / kings of italy (widonid, bosonid and unruoching dynasties) before him. what didn't exist was the "familiar" middle ages empire centered on the germanic areas. let's not confuse the title itself - extant from 800 to 1806 - with the lands (usually) associated with it.
Imperatrix Marcia Aurelia and her mother were the first women to rule Rome, but they get ignored and obscured. Damnatio Memoriae is a powerful thing and she still gets slandered to this day as the corrupt "Elagabalus".
I really wanna purchase your charts, but the shipping is more expensive than the charts! Any way to get them shipped to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia without ridiculous shipping costs? Thanks for all your work. Love them!
alberic: drunkedly "washes his dad's hands" king hugh: slaps him alberic: to town, i got slapped town: angry peasant noises king hugh: dies in the mob all: we are so accomplished
People who do not have God in their hearts cannot be the “Vicar of Christ”. It is impossible for one to judge someone’s heart and that is why we are called to not do that, however we can see people’s good works or lack thereof and to quote James the brother of Jesus, “faith without works is dead.” Now I cannot get into the whole reasoning behind papacy and such because I know little of it but this is what I do know. Sin is a if not the “great equalizer”. It is completely indiscriminate. Doesn’t matter what gender, lineage, title, power, race or anything somebody is if they sin, and quoting the Apostle Paul, “All have sinned and come short of the glory of God”. The one deciding factor however is whether or not you accept the love of Christ and His sacrifice on the cross. If you have God in your heart, you are equally as great as any good pope or disciple or even Saint Peter himself. And if you do not, even if you are a good person, you are just as bad as Stalin and Hitler. Sin, no matter what kind or “how small”, is indiscriminate, and the punishment of sin is death resulting in eternal separation from God and all that is good. So I cannot judge a pope’s heart, but I can see his faith through his works. And one who takes his position and uses it at the expense of others to gain power, is no “Vicar of Christ”. Christianity is more than whatever the papacy says it is. That sort of false religiosity puts Christianity to the levels of any other pagan mythology or religious practice. It lacks what makes Christianity better than all else, the love of Christ and the Church. The indiscriminate everlasting love. Good love. Aeterna Vitrix
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Notes: I'd appreciate it if you showed us Gregory I's wife and her link to Hugh. I found it interesting how the name Guy has evolved from pronunciation to not being a name anymore. As an Irishman, I find the fact that the name Hugh was once used by Italian kings very interesting. And finally, good point on how just because they were women, historians call them prostitutes. Reminds me of that deleted scene from Captain Marvel.
Interesting video idea (though a bit unusual): family tree of dog breeds!
@@rachelhansen2417 that would be awesome!
@@cormacmacsuibhne2867 Guy is still a name. I had to mention that as I was speaking to my friend Guy just before i watched this video! As for Hugh, it is a Germanic name. When the English conquered Ireland they 'Anglised' (that is Germanisised) the Celtic names. The Celtic name 'Aodh' was changed to 'Hugh'. My own name, Rory, was anglised to 'Roderick', which makes sense when you see the original Celtic spelling of 'Rudhraighe'.
sae (not see) culum obscu (not obscyu) rum
Legend: there was a female Pope.
fact: actually she was a popemaker.
Ya, God send that mission to this poor woman...
😂😂
she was probably the regent
Propably what the artists thought, the pope in the pictures is the baby.
she is the wicked pope impluencer/ pope controller
That would make a great historical tv drama series. And Pornocracy as a title would sell it.
But it's not about what people initially think it is about
@@matthewcastleton2263 Well, the consequences would be 1) more views for the pilot episode; 2) disparity of critics' and audience's score on RottenTomatoes, and a whole lot of IMDB reviews in the style of "I've wasted 45 minutes. Boring!"
@@M-CH_ True
Pretty sure diane Sawyer covered this on 20/20
@@matthewcastleton2263 *_it's called clickbait_*
John XII died, supposedly, when he was having an affair with a noble woman and her husband walked in on it. The husband subsequently picked the Pope up and threw him out the window. Or he died of a heart attack while in intercourse. He was more of a secular leader than a pope with stories, from political rivals mind you so take with a grain of salt, of him not knowing which god the Catholic Church worshiped.
Benedict IX was another Pope who sucked at being Pope. St. Peter Damian called him "a demon from hell in the disguise of a priest ... occupying the Seat of St. Peter."
victor hoang we call that the papal defenestration
Maybe he was having a heart attack AND having sex WHILE he was being defenestrated! :O
Kaarli Makela thats big brain thinkin right there
Oversimplified gang
You should do a family tree of all the illegitimate children of Charles II of England and all of his descendants.
Two thumbs up, way up for this suggestion.
Diana, Fergie and Camilla are all descended from Charles II. The Prince of Wales is not !
As a descendant, I can tell ya thats a really big order unless its extremely filtered to a few important lines
At that rate, why not make a chart of all descendants, legitimate or otherwise, of Charlemagne...
@@travismichaud6064 as a descendant of charlemagne, I completely do not agree and do not want my information leaked
Nepotism?
Nah, just circumstance.
Fun fact: Benedict IX selling the papacy to his godfather is supposedly the origin of the word nepotism
What an obscure figure, how'd you stumble upon her!
Was checking to see which popes were most closely related and stumbled across her!
@@UsefulCharts is there any chance we could buy this chart? It's a very interesting story about Marozia
Can u do king David to Jesus
Isn't the pornocracy the most well known episode of papal shenanigans?
@@o.jbarlow6015 that to long
A suggestion for you: if you want to tell a story about powerful women try Caterina Sforza, the Tigress of Forlì, she held power in Rome, she conquered the conclave, she (sorta) defeated the french King and defied Cesare Borgia amongst many others
I'm making a poster in the Italian Renaissance later this year so you might get your wish.
@@UsefulCharts Wow, that would be sweet, she's one of my favourite female historic figure ever! A truly badass woman!
She sounds like an awesome formidable Women.. got to go learn about her..
I was looking for some kind of video about a family tree with numerous popes. This is the closest I’ll get. Great video
Especially now that Biden/ Pelosi bring the cathaholics home to roost in our highest offices. ..
I am the king of my house, I declare my house to be a Pornocracy
I’ll truly serve this king :3
My liege, it would be an honour to serve
TheLoneGunman26 my kingdom already is a pornocracy, glad to see a fellow monarch come to the light!
I will serve you until the end of your regime
You run a corrupt government? Do you work for the US government?
it's hard to wrap my head around the fact that this is over a THOUSAND years ago
Great video Matt! As always. I feel like Papal history is quite underrated, especially considering how important and influential the pope was in the past. I live near Avignon, which is a tremendous city with a beautiful Papal Palace and tons of history so I wished more people talked about it.
Hmmm, if only there was a French history channel that could do a video on the Avignon popes :)
@UsefulCharts I wouldn't know such a channel ;)
Too bad the French crown tainted Avignon with three anti-popes.
@@NesRuA Nah, I think it’s awesome! Makes the city even greater
8:46 "One of the reasons why it was so easy to convince the crowd to turn against Hugh and Marozia was that their marriage went against the laws of the Catholic Church, which did not allow a man to marry his brother’s widow."
Me: *laughs in Henry VIII*
Oh, yeah, the Church totally did not enforce that rule: but it was still technically there.
If you're wondering, Henry VIII married Catherine of Aragon, widowed to his brother Arthur.
Okay, "pornocracy" is now my new favorite word.
Good name for a punk rock album
Oh you naughty man.
Who's thus guy speaking? I don't think i've heard him
Yes, I'm joking
I don't get it.
@@I_leave_mean_comments I think he is talking about how Jack Rackham was dubbing some videos for this channel for some time. Is it?
@Re Up I think you're answering under the wrong comment
Yay, Matt's back! (nothing against Jack though, I like both)
Some of the Byzantine empresses like Theodora,Pulcheria,Zoe and Irene of Athens were very influential and powerful women -some ruled in their own right.The era in papal history described in this video was still part of what is called the Byzantine papacy -many of the names of the chief protagonists are Greek of course.
The Byzantine Papacy actually precedes the saeculum obscurum by ~300 years, it ended in the 750s, when the papacy broke with the Eastern Roman Empire and aligned itself w/ the Franks instead.
@@angusyang5917 Still a lot of Greek influence around however judging by the names of many of the key players -Theodora and Marozia's father was Theophylact of Tusculum a very Greek name. Also remember that most of Italy had been conquered by the Lombards except for Rome, Ravenna and the coastal areas that were still Byzantine. Although the Lombards had converted to Catholicism from arianism the Pope still did not trust them and he called in the Franks to protect the papacy from the Lombards.
Marozia reminds me a bit of Julia Domna, wife of Septimus Severus and mother of Caracalla and Geta, who was similarly vilified.
Quite right. And let's not forget her sister Julia Maesa who became the de facto ruler of the Roman Empire after she managed to depose Macrinus in 218 (Macrinus had killed her nephew Caracalla in 217). Elagabalus (Emperor 218-222) was just a figurehead, his grandmother Julia Maesa and his mother Julia Soaemias (the daughter of Julia Maesa) were the real power behind the throne. Julia Soaemias was often present at Senate meetings and even had her own Women-Senate (!) After Elagabalus and Julia Soaemias were killed in 222, Julia Maesa did put yet another grandson, Severus Alexander (Emperor 222-235) on the throne and ruled on his behalf until her death in 225. After that, Severus Alexander's mother Julia Mamaea (also a daughter of Julia Maesa) became the de facto ruler of the Empire until she and her son were both killed in 235. So essentially, the Roman Empire was ruled by a female dynasty for about 17 years. Someone should make a movie or a TV-Show about this time ("Rome"-style of course).
Thanks for the video. One minor error I picked up on. At 12.57 you mentioned that Pope Benedict VIII and Pope John XIX was the only example of brothers succeeding each other as popes. It had happened once before. Pope Stephen II (or Stephen III depending on how they are counted) was succeeded in 757 by his brother Pope Paul I.
The way this channel brings in other youtubers is quite remarkable
I think that this is a better story than Pope Joan.
8:51 I was going to also point that out too, and also this was the first catalist that let to the separation of the English church, many don't know this but Henry VIII married his Sister-in-law after his Brother died, the Pope at that time (after a big donation from Henry's Dad) gave a "papal dispensation" (an exeption to Canon Law) to allow their marriage, but Henry VIII argueed that the Pope can't do that so his Married was illegal so it should be annulled (this means they where never Legally married) it wasn't just that he wanted a divorce (The end of a Legal Marriage)
He was arguing for something protestants were also saying at the time that the Pope wasn't above the Bible
Also, It shouldn't be "Divorced, beheaded, died; divorced, beheaded, survived", it should be "Annulled , beheaded, died; annulled, beheaded, survived"
@@Yannis1a The average person thinks divorced and annulled is the same thing.
@@Yannis1a Divorced fits the rhyme scheme better
Finally tally comes to her being a step-daughter, wife, mother, grand aunt, grandmother (of two), great grandmother (of two), great-great grandmother, great-great-great grandmother, and great-great-great-great-great grandmother of a pope
Imagine getting killed by a pillow💀
I remember reading about her in a "Treasury of Royal Scandals" by Michael Farquhar. Fascinating story, and a great read too. Books and videos like these show that history doesn't need to be boring and tedious archive of battles and conquests - sometimes it's enough to just make fun of the big people occupying thrones. I especially recommend the part about wicked popes, it's really a treat. Great video, as always ♥️
lmao imagine being one of those Catholics acting like this was the height of papal corruption, when the Borgia popes existed.
To be fair, Alexander VI was very corrupt indeed but most of the accounts on him and his family have been hugely exaggerated.
@@unochepassava1403 nevertheless he was still one of the worst. I think him, John XII and Benedict IX are the most corrupt
Excellent video. A time of history like no other! Great job, and nice to hear those sultry tones ;)
to be fair the term Saeculum obscurum does not only reflect the influence of powerful families but it was a pretty dark period for the western Church. the Muslims were at a cultural zenith mostly in formerly Christian lands and still held Sicily. North and central Europe were under attack by the Vikings and Hungarians, and the secular meddling in the appointment of abbots and bishops (particularly by the Ottonians) that would lead to teh investiture crisis were at their peak.
I don't think it's sexist to deem this period as the worst in the papacy because women holding power in a see is against canon law, so its even more serious. great video nonetheless
Gabriel Z and also the numerous male popes before and after Marozia weren’t exactly the best male popes either. I think the “Dark Age” label is justified, not sexist.
Exactly
@@Zach-mw5so Well I would say this competing for that position not because of her but because of descendents shear corruption.
It's also a time where popes were not virtuous so really a Dark Age in the history of the papacy
Why?
The coat of arms of the House of Cresentii looked like a face to me. ahahaha
Very good research in this video! Finally Matt is back
Great video, as always.
Another great video. I was wondering if you would do one on the maternal line of Mary Tudor. I know it's a random request, but interesting nonetheless.
This was exceptionally fascinating! 👍🏽
The term seaculum obscurum is not just referring to the influence of Marozia, although it is a big part of it. The problem is not necessarily her gender, it's rather the fact, that popes should be celibate and pious. Being lovers of influential women is not exactly that. But there were other scandals, that gave the term "The Dark Age". Most notably the Cadaver Synod, where a pope dug out the corpse of the previous pope, dressed him up in regalia, then held a trial, found him guilty, cut three of his fingers and cast the rotting corpse into the Tiber River. It wasn't pure misogyny, when they called this period dark, it was truly the lowest point of the papacy. Sexual escapades was just one of many scandals.
I am a descendant of the Orsinis, and I absolutely love this video! Subscribed! (sorry for my bad English)
Thunder Slayer Im descendent of King Philip II Of France
2:00 This point is heavily disputed though... not sure how you can say it's " likely" , at least give us a reason how could Theodora hold the "real power" over her husban who is officially a count
Did it ever occur to you that Theodora could have held a higher status from birth than her husband!? Queen Elizabeth II is higher than her husband the Duke of Edinburgh! This happens!
@@fredrika27 no , because UsefulCharts didn't give any evidence on this point to support his claim. he never explained why it's " likely"
There's also some confusion over the numbering of the Popes named John not long after this, which is sometimes used as part of the Pope Joan legend.
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Prince Assistants are no longer in use. Asprenno Colonna and Alessandro Torlonia were allowed to retain the title personally until their deaths. Colonna died in 1987,[and Torlonia died in 2018.
You come back.
Another winner in this great collaberation of history pages and channels!
This video had me scurrying to searches of these key players in the 900's.
I MUST point out these certainly were the names of very antique families of the region ... the Tuscan group reference jumps out at me ... the Etruscan held a dozen bases, ancient city-states before there were city states ... I wonder about the longevity of the Etruscan themselves ... though said to be extinct ... the Lombardian Tuscan oldest families' genetic profiles have collectively the highest DNA % of Neanderthal genes on the planet ... just very interesting ... pretty cool stuff ...
ANOTHER WINNING CHART, THERE, USEFUL!
Wtf I didn't even know the word pornocracy was even a real word, you learn a new thing everyday
Probably could be used for several towns of the Wild West being founded, maintained (and entertained I guess) by actual s workers, leading the towns to be so prosperous and well managed that they earned the women their voting rights before any reclamations even begun! (Maybe memory failed me since I can't remember names of said areas, feel free to correct mistakes if any are present!)
It's very complicated but so interesting... Thanks for sharing
any plans to sell a chart on your website of the popes of the cathlic church like the chart about the borgia and medici family tree?
Love your videos as well as Lindsay Holiday's, great productions and very informative! Thank you for contributing to #ProjectHerStory
@UsefulCharts you are a good man, and a great Scholar. Even if it is a hobby 🤗 God Bless You and Mrs. Useful Charts! Mazel Tov!
BROOOOO when I saw Mr. Beat in the corner my mind exploded
"I am the Senatrix!"
Empress Palpatina! You are under arrest!
The Farnese family of Parma were also descended from a pope. Elizabeth Farnese was Queen of Spain.
And considering her descendants are still kings of Spain and even hold the now empty title of King of Jerusalem this make this based
Thanks .. I did mention about the Tusculum family in your 1st Pope video
Morozia is quite the kingmaker and power broker
Could we have a Byzantine empires succession and family tree please??? Great job!!!!
Wonderful! However, may I suggest a more "italian" pronunciation of Medici and Rovere with stress on the 1st syllable: Médici and Róvere
From a historical point of view, this chan is priceless......
Question: you said the term Antipope is used when there's two living Popes, so nowadays which one is the Antipope: Benedict XVI or Francis?
It's only used when there are two *rival* popes. Benedict retired so it's different.
@@UsefulCharts thanks for the answer 👍
Benedict XVI officially has the title of papa emeritus, i.e. "former pope". While he is not the first pope to resign the Papacy, I do think he is the first one to use that title, mostly because in the other cases, the resigning popes fled or were forced into obscurity. making their post-papal title irrelevant.
Disagreements or confusion over who was the true pope has had some interesting consequences for the numbering. E.g., The list of popes named Felix goes from Felix I to Felix III because pope Felix II is now considered to be an anti-pope. This also means that pope Felix III is sometimes called Felix II, when someone tries to correct the numbering, which is confusing.
It's not only anti-popes causing problems with the numbering though. There is Stephen, who was pope for two days before he died of a stroke. He was elected pope, but he was not consecrated as a bishop. So whether he is to be known as pope Stephen II or only as pope-elect Stephen, becomes a theological question on the nature of the Papacy. Today, the Church doesn't consider him to be a true pope.
The most confusing, though, is the popes John. First off, pope John XVI is today considered to be an anti-pope, so his number should have been re-used, but this never happened. Due to a clerical error (pun intended), people thought that there had been two popes named John XIV, so they "corrected" this by skipping over a number, from 19 to 21, so there is no pope John XX. But today we know this to be false - there was only ever one John XIV. The last pope to have the name John was pope John XXIII, the 21st pope named John.
@@TurtleMarcus Oh Jeez! thanks for the info. I love the history of the papacy and the Church, so all the information is welcomed. Thanks again 👍
I wouldn't say that the rest of Benedict IXs life was unknown. Many historians and also Catholic scholars note that Benedict IX retired to a monastery called Grottaferrata where he lived out his remaining days under the guidance of a monk named Bartholomew and where his body is still entombed.
"Project 'Herstory', a collaboration of 12 RUclipsrs, for Women's History Month!"...How flipping amazing is THAT? It's nice to see people using newer tech and platforms to come together and do collaborative and good work with their voice. I'm really, really impressed. Good for you!
So 1M subscribers today maybe? Nice.
do you have Papal history timeline?
Marozia is my 28th great grandmother's husband's 3rd wife
IF there was not a woman who disguised herself as a man & ascended to Pope, why did they institute a new procedure to 'ratify' a chosen pope by inspecting HIS JUNK after her trickery? in the scholarly historical book written about Pope Joan, this was pointed out. this fact is portrayed in the Jeremy irons version of BORGIA Ep. 1.
Are you still doing that top secret project
Finished it last week.
When will you show it
@@willanaylor2306 Soon 😀
I mean my family isn't really functional but i don't think i would go to the length of inciting a riot against my Mother.
"Jeanne [Joan] is the GLORY of the Universal Church." -- Pope Saint Pius X, hailed as the greatest pope since Saint Simon Bar-Jonah.
06:02. what does it mean "although the title didn't really exist at the time?" why people keep this fiction that between charlemagne in 800 and otto i 962 the title of holy roman emperor didn't exist? what did charlemagne pass on then, and what did otto i 'inherit' 160 years later? the title was never re-created/re-issued for otto, it was simply held by people who controlled territories of a varying degree of size. it's arguable that the empire itself (re-)started with otto, but the fact that the title of holy roman emperor didn't exist between 800 and 962 is simply historically wrong.
it means the title of "holy roman emperor" which you could then pass to somebody - didn't exist. Charlemagne was emperor of the romans then Louis the Pious, and then the position died with the split into the 3 Frankias (West, East and Middle) so it literally didn't exist, only Otto the Great transformed the kingdom of East Francia into the Holy Roman Empire
@@fclp67 the title of holy roman emperor existed and was passed on for a century and a half, otherwise it would have to be recreated for otto by the pope, which didn't happen, as otto's predecessor was berenger i of italy, and there were half a dozen holy roman emperors / kings of italy (widonid, bosonid and unruoching dynasties) before him. what didn't exist was the "familiar" middle ages empire centered on the germanic areas. let's not confuse the title itself - extant from 800 to 1806 - with the lands (usually) associated with it.
One of the biggest unanswered (or perhaps unanswerable) questions arising in my genealogical gleanings: Am I descended from Marozia?
Uhoh, circular family tree
Interesting topic to illustrate a part of the papacy history. Thanks!
Greetings from Australia!
finally the papacy is predominent in a tree.
I've actually seen the German musical "die Päpstin" which ist about the life of the female pope
Can you make a family tree of my family?
Nice to have you back Matt, though I liked jack as well.
Marozia is my 33rd great aunt and Charlemagne is my 36th great grandfather. Does that entitle me to a royal fortune? Lol
Wow, that's some butterfly effect (the riot caused by Alberic II)
Wich academic field study these things history or archaeology?
when's the Princes of wales you said you were gonna do that during the fritzgerald video
Sometime this year. So many I want to do.
Hey what software do you use to make these charts
Also that is a lot of popes
Check out my "About" playlist. I've got a tutorial.
Ok thanks
Should the rules be changed to allow for female popes?
Yes, but they never will.
No
The word "pope" comes from the Greek "pappas," meaning "father."
No
As a woman, no I don't think it's a good idea
Imperatrix Marcia Aurelia and her mother were the first women to rule Rome, but they get ignored and obscured. Damnatio Memoriae is a powerful thing and she still gets slandered to this day as the corrupt "Elagabalus".
Fascinating story.
Thanks for this. Unexpected and appreciated as a fan of papal history
Pope: Exists
Marozia: How about I take over that
UsefulCharts: The legend of a female Pope is likely based.
senatrix & pornocracy sounds so leathery
I really wanna purchase your charts, but the shipping is more expensive than the charts! Any way to get them shipped to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia without ridiculous shipping costs? Thanks for all your work. Love them!
This sounds like a Shakespeare plot.
Useful charts for the Byzantine emperor the title is not only sold to Spanish and was also sold to the French king
Yeah, I mention that in that video.
@@UsefulCharts that means the Byzantine emperor title pass down is between French and Spanish or just Spanish ?
Do an all Pope family tree use all popes from Peter to Francis
Ohh boy. This would make the Byzantine video no longer special since that one still has the longest spam of 35 minutes.
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alberic: drunkedly "washes his dad's hands"
king hugh: slaps him
alberic: to town, i got slapped
town: angry peasant noises
king hugh: dies in the mob
all: we are so accomplished
The gloriously corrupt papacy! What's new!
yay! mrbeat in the collab!
Super interesting! 😮
I have a really strong feeling she existed. After all, myths are often born from the truth.
@Useful Charts 1:00 Lindsey Halliday !!! LOVE her vids, as well!!!
Ah, yes, The House of Crescentii...otherwise known as The House of Chill Smiley Faces (seriously though, is it just me seeing that? Lol)
Another deacendant of Marozia is famous female renaissance writer and friend of Michelangelo,Vittoria Colonna
People who do not have God in their hearts cannot be the “Vicar of Christ”. It is impossible for one to judge someone’s heart and that is why we are called to not do that, however we can see people’s good works or lack thereof and to quote James the brother of Jesus, “faith without works is dead.” Now I cannot get into the whole reasoning behind papacy and such because I know little of it but this is what I do know. Sin is a if not the “great equalizer”. It is completely indiscriminate. Doesn’t matter what gender, lineage, title, power, race or anything somebody is if they sin, and quoting the Apostle Paul, “All have sinned and come short of the glory of God”. The one deciding factor however is whether or not you accept the love of Christ and His sacrifice on the cross. If you have God in your heart, you are equally as great as any good pope or disciple or even Saint Peter himself. And if you do not, even if you are a good person, you are just as bad as Stalin and Hitler. Sin, no matter what kind or “how small”, is indiscriminate, and the punishment of sin is death resulting in eternal separation from God and all that is good. So I cannot judge a pope’s heart, but I can see his faith through his works. And one who takes his position and uses it at the expense of others to gain power, is no “Vicar of Christ”. Christianity is more than whatever the papacy says it is. That sort of false religiosity puts Christianity to the levels of any other pagan mythology or religious practice. It lacks what makes Christianity better than all else, the love of Christ and the Church. The indiscriminate everlasting love. Good love. Aeterna Vitrix
Dominus dilexit nos, Sit laus Deo