Great video man! Just got into affliction after playing destro/demo for 12 years. Very informational video and extremely enjoyable. Your happiness and the way you talk really makes it seem like you enjoy playing, really refreshing to see!
Nice Vid! love seeing you breakdown your gameplay. Enjoyable seeing a high level player talk about their thought process and things you could improve on.
Thank you, I appreciate that. When I am playing I usually notice my mistakes, but when I go back and rewatch it to make a video I really notice the mistakes and how obvious they are. Straight up, watching my own gameplay back like that has been pretty helpful for me in identifying my consistent mistakes so I can work on them
I fuckin love this build. Definitely breathed some much needed life back in to the spec for me. i've learned a lot about this class since i found your channel, appreciate them.
that definitely would be pretty strong. i think that blizz intentionally made the tier sets pretty weak across the board this tier, which im kinda fine with tbh. they should just buff vile taint instead haha
sure, it is the afenar warlock weakaura pack. there is a channel in my discord with links to my weakaura download pages :) (discord link is in video description/YT channel about page)
yeah i need to do some more experimenting with the talent nodes, I already have a lot of crit so crit damage might be better in my case. it really does feel good to play tho
thank you! i really like hellcaller but only played it as destro up until recently since soul harvester was just so much stronger. i really like shadow bolt with soul harvester affliction, it makes it easier to apply shadow's embrace, gives you some more mobility, and makes it easier to not cap on nightfall procs. for hellcaller though I think drain soul is pretty important. you have a hard time generating shards mid pull as hellcaller, so being able to get shards from mobs as they die is really nice. I've also noticed that I get a lot more crescendo procs when using drain soul than shadow bolt,
really nice videos! thanks a lot for your teachings. awesome, but i have one question :D which addon are you using on the left side to show the interrupt cds? are there any settings to make to have it like you use it? best regards man!
Something to note: there are a couple of weekly affixes that increase our crit chance when you deal with them properly. If you are playing hellcaller aff in these weeks, and you are doing 11s or lower, I think it is definitely worth it to take both points in contagion AND malediction. Personally, I take both regardless of what im doing or what week it is.
@@Naero-tq1dw This is what I run: CkQAA81jxQD71lYhS/t8p6HgAAmZmZmZEzmhxsZmZYWGAAAwMjZWmZGWmZmZxMmZAAzYBGYWMaMDIzSwyMAAAAAAAAwMsA Get your crit up, along with your mastery and your DOTs will start to slam.
Hey man. Am using a focus macro for my kicks, and I also embedded Curse of the Satyr in that particular macro. Give it a try! Also have it with Curse of Tongues on my other specs.
@@ZlyLudekPL Yeah it would. I usually apply the macro on the start of the pull, and most of the times there is only 2-3 casters so it is just 2-3 globals. Also it is very much needed in higher keys, cause you give more time inbetween kicks and therefore less dmg output on your team. Curses are very useful as keys gets harder!
I need to try this. I'm best at Demo, and was only doing about 80% of the damage I could do on Demo as Aff. It felt like I did 0 damage outside of Soul Rot windows even when not wasting Nightfalls, maintain dots, and not overcapping shards. More steady dam sounds v nice.
I know how both specs feel to play and what each are capable of. When I play demo while fully optimized for aff (enchants consumes trinkets) my damage noticeably suffers.
Yeah soul harvester has higher highs and lower lows, really really focused on that 1 min cd timer. If your cooldowns get desynced or you don't have something up for a pack your damage really suffers. I hope you'll like hellcaller, need more aff players haha
Love me some actual dot gameplay. Here's some food for thought: 1.) Siphon Life instead of Absolute corruption. 5% Heal from wither? Might be insane sustain, and it deals 5% more damage on top. Obviously losing the QoL and the global for reaplying. Will test myself. - Edit: cut that, its doing next to nothing and that nothing went 70% into overheal anyways 😂 2.) From your Damage breakdown Malevolent Visionary and Darkglare do about 5% overall damage, your wither crits 50% of the time, picking up contagion increases the crit damage of all your dots by 30%. Your Wither alone makes up for the damage part that is provided by darkglare + Malevolent Visionary. So we're left with extending the dots by 8 seconds part (once every 2 minutes). Could be fatal given which dungeon/pulls might require that. Will test. You've gotten me curious. I come from Destro spec so im heavy into haste/crit and hardly have any mastery (4,5k -> 36%). Gonna test in some lower m+'s. Thanks for the video edit: yeah...naaah... ill stick with hellcaller destro 😂 done 2x m+. both felt horrible
I feel like it will be good in certain dungeons in +12. City, dawnbreaker, ara kara, maybe siege come to mind. NW you need a lot of burst for various packs and boss encounters, mists u need burst for first boss, stonevault is sus for aff in general imo lol (i always run it as destro). grim batol might be fine as either spec i think. I definitely want to get some more practice in this week and see how it feels after trying out some other talent choices too
Quick question, why cant I see your green circle on the ground when you are casting ville taint? Am I blind or you got some macro to instant cast on target? Love your videos!
thank you! i have a @cursor macro for it. it just makes the spell cast instantly at my cursor without me having to click the area to choose it. it works on any aoe ability like that. I use it for rain of fire, cataclysm, infernal, shadowfury, vile taint, etc.. #showtooltip /cast [@cursor] Vile Taint replace vile taint with another ability like the ones I listed and they all work the same. pretty convenient, but you can miss crucial abilities if you lose sight of your cursor lol
statswise what are your suggestions? In general multitarget sims give a huge priority to mastery over crit and haste, but i see a lot of player going for crit and haste instead. Do you have any idea or any suggested tresholds?
having a specific threshold is hard to say. my two warlocks armory links are here, you can compare the stat % to yours. mine are optimized pretty well. my main should have a bit more crit and less haste, i logged out wearing ara kara sacbrood instead of mad queens mandate. worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/bleeding-hollow/Orangesodaa worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/bleeding-hollow/Krozo
Is there any chance that this Hero-Talent may become also an alternative for raiding? Don't get me wrong but soulharvester gets boring at some point :D waiting for 1 min comming of CD and so again :D
i would like to be able to use it, but it doesn't really seem to compare in single target. maybe you can use it on bloodbound horror if the adds are dying a bit slowly. and it was used before on silken court, so i imagine you can use it there too no problem
soul harvester has higher highs and lower lows, really really focused on that 1 min cd timer. If your cooldowns get desynced or you don't have something up for a pack your damage really suffers. That being said I feel like it is better in places where you really want burst (first boss in mists for example) hellcaller shard gen is about sniping mobs with drain soul and getting procs. also, tormented crescendo procs to get free raptures really matter too. not gaining the 3 shards on soul rot is noticeable, but with enough play on the spec I feel like you can get used to it rather quickly
You don't need a WA to tell you when people die. Converting party to raid frames and moving them slightly closer would do it. You can't see anything on your party frames.
Hello, thank you for great video. Since the crit chance of wither is so high did you consider Contagion talent probablly instead of Deaths Embrace and Focused Malignancy?
I think that focused malignancy is pretty important for boss damage since we have quite a few other rapture talents. Speccing into FULL aoe talents will make us a lot less useful in tyrannical keys on bosses. and i really like deaths embrace since it buffs wither by a good amount since wither starts ticking down when the enemy is in execute range. you could swap 1 of the crit chance talents with the crit damage talent and take improved haunt instead. there are a few talents there that can be moved a bit, but not a ton of a wiggle room
I got up to 2500 as Soul Harvester Aff, now im playing Diabolist Demo. Aff is my first love, but the way we have to manage agony with taint or manual applications gave me too many points of 5+ gcd of doing nothing. Aff is a builder spender spec with no control in the building part of game play. With demo, we know exactly how to get the shards we need, and the entire spec revolves around a strong 1 min profile. Pugging my way through 11s now.
not much has changed in regards to the meta for raid builds. the best ST demo/aff/destro builds from last week are still the best performing, though there's some conversation about channel demonfire for destro. so whatever you were playing before is likely still viable
yeah speccing too much into aoe is definitely a detriment. that being said I don't feel like its single target was too bad. burst single target is noticeably worse tho. on an average boss hellcaller;s dps felt fine. but on something like mists first boss then soul harvester seems like it would just be a lot better during the burstwindow
@@krozothebozo There is an argument to be made that if you want quick burst on target switches though, you shouldn't go Aff anyway. Destro is much better suited for that. Definitely going to try Hellcaller Aff!
yeah the shard thing is a little rough. there is a talent (Relinquished) that gives agony 10% increased change to gen a shard , maybe it will be worth taking in the future for this spec.
I like hellcaller it feels fun but honestly, the massive drop in ST damage just aint worth it for me, i pug alot and pugs never have boss damage so i have to and hellcaller just doesnt have it, its a shame that a hero talent build affects things that much i wish they would just buff us baseline more tbh
ew fuck this guy. there is nothing wrong with this person's cadence. what's insufferable is how typical youtubers mimic each others parlance and speech patterns, and make lengthy videos saying nothing just to fill the minutes. this dude's actually putting out empirical information.
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Great video man! Just got into affliction after playing destro/demo for 12 years. Very informational video and extremely enjoyable. Your happiness and the way you talk really makes it seem like you enjoy playing, really refreshing to see!
Nice Vid! love seeing you breakdown your gameplay. Enjoyable seeing a high level player talk about their thought process and things you could improve on.
Thank you, I appreciate that. When I am playing I usually notice my mistakes, but when I go back and rewatch it to make a video I really notice the mistakes and how obvious they are. Straight up, watching my own gameplay back like that has been pretty helpful for me in identifying my consistent mistakes so I can work on them
Bro...ive been playing lock for awhile. This is... pretty nuts. Very good. Im going to have to play around with this. Good stuff, sir.
Hope you enjoy it as much as I did :)
I fuckin love this build. Definitely breathed some much needed life back in to the spec for me. i've learned a lot about this class since i found your channel, appreciate them.
Oh wow! I didn’t expect this at all! It feels much smoother and easier to play than soul harvester! Good job brother! You made me fully consider Aff.
It is quite smooth, right? Glad to hear i've help sway you to the dark side B)
Brand new to affliction warlock, this was a great insight on what I should be doing.
glad to hear it! we need more affliction players :)
Being able to refresh all agonies with vile taint before they fall off is such a win
yeah it is a very tight window, and can only be done around your CDs. Imagine if they changed vile taint to just work that way naturally
One thing I think would help hellcaller is buffing the 4Piece debuff to be 100% uptime.
>Everytime you do rapture you get damage bonus on your dots
that definitely would be pretty strong. i think that blizz intentionally made the tier sets pretty weak across the board this tier, which im kinda fine with tbh. they should just buff vile taint instead haha
aff is back and its the only spec that felt right for me!!
Love the vids! Keep it up very helpful!
Hello is your central weak aura available to the public? So many pay walls for good easy to understand class weak auras and I love this one
sure, it is the afenar warlock weakaura pack. there is a channel in my discord with links to my weakaura download pages :) (discord link is in video description/YT channel about page)
I did my Mist+12 too with Hellcaller... feels good.... I take out 2-points from Darkglare and put them into dot-crit-talent.
yeah i need to do some more experimenting with the talent nodes, I already have a lot of crit so crit damage might be better in my case. it really does feel good to play tho
I've been playing hellcaller aff in M+ from the start, but didnt think too hard about the stall stuff like vile tainting after UA. Good video
thank you! i really like hellcaller but only played it as destro up until recently since soul harvester was just so much stronger.
i really like shadow bolt with soul harvester affliction, it makes it easier to apply shadow's embrace, gives you some more mobility, and makes it easier to not cap on nightfall procs.
for hellcaller though I think drain soul is pretty important. you have a hard time generating shards mid pull as hellcaller, so being able to get shards from mobs as they die is really nice. I've also noticed that I get a lot more crescendo procs when using drain soul than shadow bolt,
really nice videos! thanks a lot for your teachings. awesome, but i have one question :D which addon are you using on the left side to show the interrupt cds? are there any settings to make to have it like you use it? best regards man!
Something to note: there are a couple of weekly affixes that increase our crit chance when you deal with them properly. If you are playing hellcaller aff in these weeks, and you are doing 11s or lower, I think it is definitely worth it to take both points in contagion AND malediction. Personally, I take both regardless of what im doing or what week it is.
Do you have a link to your talent setup? (New warlock player here)
@@Naero-tq1dw This is what I run: CkQAA81jxQD71lYhS/t8p6HgAAmZmZmZEzmhxsZmZYWGAAAwMjZWmZGWmZmZxMmZAAzYBGYWMaMDIzSwyMAAAAAAAAwMsA
Get your crit up, along with your mastery and your DOTs will start to slam.
very nice pov thx
nice vid, can you recommend a raid talent as well?
I am still looking into hellcaller in raid, but I am not sure how viable hellcaller aff is in the raid actually.
@@krozothebozo thank you for your reply, would you be able to recommend something? anything? im so confused with whats out there, so many options :(
Hey man. Am using a focus macro for my kicks, and I also embedded Curse of the Satyr in that particular macro. Give it a try! Also have it with Curse of Tongues on my other specs.
that is a great idea honestly, thanks for the tip!
Doesn't that macro interrupt your casting whereas the normal kick doesn't?
@@ZlyLudekPL Yeah it would. I usually apply the macro on the start of the pull, and most of the times there is only 2-3 casters so it is just 2-3 globals. Also it is very much needed in higher keys, cause you give more time inbetween kicks and therefore less dmg output on your team. Curses are very useful as keys gets harder!
I need to try this. I'm best at Demo, and was only doing about 80% of the damage I could do on Demo as Aff. It felt like I did 0 damage outside of Soul Rot windows even when not wasting Nightfalls, maintain dots, and not overcapping shards.
More steady dam sounds v nice.
I know how both specs feel to play and what each are capable of. When I play demo while fully optimized for aff (enchants consumes trinkets) my damage noticeably suffers.
Yeah soul harvester has higher highs and lower lows, really really focused on that 1 min cd timer. If your cooldowns get desynced or you don't have something up for a pack your damage really suffers. I hope you'll like hellcaller, need more aff players haha
having your gear and whatnot optimized for your spec also matters a lot!
Love me some actual dot gameplay. Here's some food for thought:
1.) Siphon Life instead of Absolute corruption. 5% Heal from wither? Might be insane sustain, and it deals 5% more damage on top. Obviously losing the QoL and the global for reaplying. Will test myself. - Edit: cut that, its doing next to nothing and that nothing went 70% into overheal anyways 😂
2.) From your Damage breakdown Malevolent Visionary and Darkglare do about 5% overall damage, your wither crits 50% of the time, picking up contagion increases the crit damage of all your dots by 30%. Your Wither alone makes up for the damage part that is provided by darkglare + Malevolent Visionary. So we're left with extending the dots by 8 seconds part (once every 2 minutes). Could be fatal given which dungeon/pulls might require that. Will test.
You've gotten me curious. I come from Destro spec so im heavy into haste/crit and hardly have any mastery (4,5k -> 36%). Gonna test in some lower m+'s. Thanks for the video
edit: yeah...naaah... ill stick with hellcaller destro 😂 done 2x m+. both felt horrible
Your opinion about Hellcaller in +12's onwards? I think it might be better than SH with the right stats
I feel like it will be good in certain dungeons in +12. City, dawnbreaker, ara kara, maybe siege come to mind. NW you need a lot of burst for various packs and boss encounters, mists u need burst for first boss, stonevault is sus for aff in general imo lol (i always run it as destro). grim batol might be fine as either spec i think. I definitely want to get some more practice in this week and see how it feels after trying out some other talent choices too
What addon do you use to see your dots on the target, above their health
Quick question, why cant I see your green circle on the ground when you are casting ville taint? Am I blind or you got some macro to instant cast on target?
Love your videos!
Mouse Over Macro
thank you! i have a @cursor macro for it. it just makes the spell cast instantly at my cursor without me having to click the area to choose it. it works on any aoe ability like that. I use it for rain of fire, cataclysm, infernal, shadowfury, vile taint, etc..
#showtooltip
/cast [@cursor] Vile Taint
replace vile taint with another ability like the ones I listed and they all work the same. pretty convenient, but you can miss crucial abilities if you lose sight of your cursor lol
@@krozothebozo thanks!
When do you choose soul harvester? I like both
Great video! What do you think of this with ISB instead of drain soul?
I think ISB would be okay, I just had some problems with shard generation so I wanted to try drain soul to snipe shards in packs.
statswise what are your suggestions?
In general multitarget sims give a huge priority to mastery over crit and haste, but i see a lot of player going for crit and haste instead.
Do you have any idea or any suggested tresholds?
having a specific threshold is hard to say. my two warlocks armory links are here, you can compare the stat % to yours. mine are optimized pretty well. my main should have a bit more crit and less haste, i logged out wearing ara kara sacbrood instead of mad queens mandate.
worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/bleeding-hollow/Orangesodaa
worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/bleeding-hollow/Krozo
MAN THIS SO COOKL
The thumbnail/title made me think this was a Kalamazi video at first. Oops
@@shyer6646Damn brother he hurt you that bad? LOL
lol well thanks, he has good thumbnails!
What’s your recommendation on Contagion vs Deaths Embrace for Hell caller mythic + build?
Hi. What is your addon name for tracking interupts please ?
Is there any chance that this Hero-Talent may become also an alternative for raiding? Don't get me wrong but soulharvester gets boring at some point :D waiting for 1 min comming of CD and so again :D
i would like to be able to use it, but it doesn't really seem to compare in single target. maybe you can use it on bloodbound horror if the adds are dying a bit slowly. and it was used before on silken court, so i imagine you can use it there too no problem
i tried all 3 specs demo the least tested but i feel demo and aff still need more buff. all 3 still do anyway.
i am pretty happy with the buffs for now. i personally think demo is the strongest spec now, but the damage profile isnt the best for every dungeon.
What's the damage compared to soul harvester? And what about shard generation? I really like the + 3 shard's with soulrot
soul harvester has higher highs and lower lows, really really focused on that 1 min cd timer. If your cooldowns get desynced or you don't have something up for a pack your damage really suffers. That being said I feel like it is better in places where you really want burst (first boss in mists for example)
hellcaller shard gen is about sniping mobs with drain soul and getting procs. also, tormented crescendo procs to get free raptures really matter too. not gaining the 3 shards on soul rot is noticeable, but with enough play on the spec I feel like you can get used to it rather quickly
This is going to shine in 11.1.. when ua cleaves
seems nice with the hellcaller, I feel soulharvester are too dependent on Soul Rot, once the Soul Rot is in CD, damage arent looking good at all
yeah exactly, hellcaller is much more consistent
Can you share your weak aura?
hey! i have a weakauras tab in my discord server with links for them. you can find my discord in the video description or my channel's about page
You don't need a WA to tell you when people die. Converting party to raid frames and moving them slightly closer would do it. You can't see anything on your party frames.
yeah i feel like raid style party frames are better for that kind of stuff. but i like the old ui so i dont wanna change lol.
Hello, thank you for great video. Since the crit chance of wither is so high did you consider Contagion talent probablly instead of Deaths Embrace and Focused Malignancy?
I think that focused malignancy is pretty important for boss damage since we have quite a few other rapture talents. Speccing into FULL aoe talents will make us a lot less useful in tyrannical keys on bosses. and i really like deaths embrace since it buffs wither by a good amount since wither starts ticking down when the enemy is in execute range. you could swap 1 of the crit chance talents with the crit damage talent and take improved haunt instead. there are a few talents there that can be moved a bit, but not a ton of a wiggle room
I got up to 2500 as Soul Harvester Aff, now im playing Diabolist Demo. Aff is my first love, but the way we have to manage agony with taint or manual applications gave me too many points of 5+ gcd of doing nothing. Aff is a builder spender spec with no control in the building part of game play. With demo, we know exactly how to get the shards we need, and the entire spec revolves around a strong 1 min profile. Pugging my way through 11s now.
Is this still current?
Can you also make a Video for Raiding and this changes? 😊 im not realy interested for m+, my contant is raiding 😊 love youre Videos.
not much has changed in regards to the meta for raid builds. the best ST demo/aff/destro builds from last week are still the best performing, though there's some conversation about channel demonfire for destro. so whatever you were playing before is likely still viable
So far I haven't seen much use of hellcaller in the raid, but if I find a way to use it in the raid I might do so :)
I need numbers! Comparison with Soul Harvester..
what addon moves on the left side of your bar
BigWigs is the one that has the scrolling timers for abilities. The big weakaura is for my spymasters web trinket
Hellcaller is cool, but the more consistent AOE damage is not worth what you give up in ST and prio from Soul Harvester IMO.
yeah speccing too much into aoe is definitely a detriment. that being said I don't feel like its single target was too bad. burst single target is noticeably worse tho. on an average boss hellcaller;s dps felt fine. but on something like mists first boss then soul harvester seems like it would just be a lot better during the burstwindow
@@krozothebozo There is an argument to be made that if you want quick burst on target switches though, you shouldn't go Aff anyway. Destro is much better suited for that. Definitely going to try Hellcaller Aff!
im ilvl 604 and in a 4key om doing 500-600k on the endobss - should change to minesweeper i guess
when you get more gear your damage will increase :)
on the last boss if you can get dots on the adds as they spawn you can up those numbers a bit too!
Having a big dot seems fun but you seemed to starving on shards constantly which is bit meh.
yeah the shard thing is a little rough. there is a talent (Relinquished) that gives agony 10% increased change to gen a shard , maybe it will be worth taking in the future for this spec.
I like hellcaller it feels fun but honestly, the massive drop in ST damage just aint worth it for me, i pug alot and pugs never have boss damage so i have to and hellcaller just doesnt have it, its a shame that a hero talent build affects things that much i wish they would just buff us baseline more tbh
upspeaking is insufferable
ew fuck this guy. there is nothing wrong with this person's cadence. what's insufferable is how typical youtubers mimic each others parlance and speech patterns, and make lengthy videos saying nothing just to fill the minutes. this dude's actually putting out empirical information.
what an abnoxious gameplay dh has man that and the stupid hunters with huge pets enraged in my face slashing i hate the most