Scope WTF Follow-Up - BEWARE Dodgy Connectors

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  • Dodgy Brothers scope grounding!
    Beware of dodgy BNC connectors.
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  • @iamdarkyoshi
    @iamdarkyoshi Год назад +31

    I work in PCB assembly and testing. It is ASTONISHING how unreliable connectors and cables can be!

    • @GalgoczkiAdam
      @GalgoczkiAdam Год назад +1

      That's why ElectroBoom is still alive.

  • @gblargg
    @gblargg Год назад +5

    So the Rigol being ungrounded allows you to force signal grounding issues to be more prominent. Then toggling grounding of the scope modulates these issues, narrowing the cause more quickly.

  • @Svuppedasker
    @Svuppedasker Год назад +10

    Could it be that you have a 75 Ohm T? I think they may have a slightly smaller diameter center pin.

  • @donondre7314
    @donondre7314 Год назад +9

    BNC connectors...they all share a common fate of becoming unreliable one day. And when that day has come, they won't tell you straight away 🙂

  • @gblargg
    @gblargg Год назад +10

    This reminds me of the time I had a faulty LED backlight driver board and the culprit turned out to be the freaking vias in the PCB. They would start to get intermittent once it heated up a bit. Took forever to lose so much trust in things to consider them a possibility.

  • @nezbrun872
    @nezbrun872 Год назад +2

    Anyone here getting flashbacks to 10Base2 networks?

  • @mikebarushok5361
    @mikebarushok5361 Год назад +13

    A series on testing the test setup would be very interesting. I don't know how many times I have had, or seen others to have much wasted time and energy chasing down a fault that wasn't in the equipment being tested. Cabling being the number one offender and number two probably trusting a reading outside of the specified calibration range.

    • @gblargg
      @gblargg Год назад +2

      Chasing down equipment problems is like one of those movies that keeps having twists that totally change your view of things. You think you've solved the problem then find it was some connector at fault all along.

    • @Robstafarian
      @Robstafarian Год назад +1

      @@gblargg I experienced this with an audio patch cable a few weeks ago, that coincided with a software update which (for some reason) enabled settings I have never used such that I thought I had both faulty inputs and outputs at the source when all I really had was a bad solder joint in a single connector (at an output).

  • @antoineroquentin2297
    @antoineroquentin2297 Год назад +6

    That was my first thought. Those t-pices have caused me already a lot of anger. They seem to have notoriously bad connectors. Some of them are also for 75 Ohm. They fit, but have smaller inner pin diameter, making unreliable connections with 50 Ohm sockets.

  • @brianhginc.2140
    @brianhginc.2140 Год назад +4

    How many hours of fiddling? You are not alone, I also have use T BNC connectors for 5-wire RGB+HV video distribution and had occasionally had 1 lemon in the lot causing random problems in the picture on one of my monitors. Even worse, I have had noisy 75ohm BNC terminators. One on the H-sync pin and the picture would have minute horizontal noise depending on the day and ambient temperature.

  • @conodigrom
    @conodigrom Год назад +2

    BNC are simple, small, handy, reliablw and good performance until they suddenly switch to Dr.Jekill mode.

  • @Petertronic
    @Petertronic Год назад +4

    I've had a lot of flaky BNC connectors from ebay etc. A lot of the moulded BNC cables you can buy are truly awful. I make all my own BNC cables using branded connectors, branded cable (eg. VanDamme) and my trusty old RS crimp tool. 🤠

  • @Dust599
    @Dust599 Год назад +3

    I'm still eyeing that crimped BNC, back when I was working with 10BASE2 thin coaxial Ethernet, the crimped connectors where a constant pain in the backside. Always failing and needing replaced with decent soldered versions.

  • @recursoseninternet
    @recursoseninternet Год назад +1

    I am looking to buy the DHO924S but I am concerned about several things that I have read. It seems that Rigol does not keep its word and in the updates, they deactivate the capture and decoding functions that you have to pay for separately from the oscilloscope price. This seems very unprofessional on Rigol’s part. Additionally, other channels and networks are reporting issues with blocking and freezing during normal use, especially in the 250MHz models. Could it be that their FPGA/CPU is insufficient? Maybe the burning smell you detected in your video review was actually a slow burn.

  • @shubus
    @shubus Год назад +2

    Let us know when a good BNC T-connector is found....all mine are dodgy as hell, too.

  • @canadavey
    @canadavey Год назад +1

    Wow, down-under Dave finds a flaw in a sub-par piece of equipment and exploits it for views. This episode sponsered by, Rohde & Schwarz.

  • @RB9522
    @RB9522 Год назад +7

    Don't use chrome-plated (Chineseam) connectors on test cables. Get some name-brand silver-plated ones.

  • @KeritechElectronics
    @KeritechElectronics Год назад +2

    It's not FuzzyWuzzy if it's not Frantone, haha!

  • @SystemX1983
    @SystemX1983 Год назад +3

    Bloody T-Connectors... the root of all evil signals 😉

  • @johnwright8814
    @johnwright8814 Год назад +2

    There I was, thinking you broke it during the teardown.
    Turns out you haven't heard of dodgy connectors.

  • @JamesCutlervk2tim
    @JamesCutlervk2tim Год назад +1

    I've seen plenty of cheap / nasty BNC connectors. You get what you pay for, thats for sure.

  • @MrAwyork
    @MrAwyork Год назад

    I thought I saw the thing move funny like it's broken. Maybe me I was seeing things and maybe it was a trick of the camera. Try wiggling the connector piece on the bad one and see if it's loose.

  • @GeorgeFoot
    @GeorgeFoot Год назад +1

    I reckon you weren't holding your tongue at the right angle

  • @barrieshepherd7694
    @barrieshepherd7694 Год назад +1

    My personal go to rule, when results on scopes (and Spectrum Analysers) are not as expected, is to check/substitute all connecting leads.
    Over the years dealing with RF and Video at a hobbyists and professional level I have amassed a number of leads and coax adaptors and some are just incompatible with each other. BNC tends to be the worse because there are two different standards 50 & 75 Ohm impedance and both are heavily used in industry so there are many examples around. Cheap T connectors seem to be the worse ones and impedance is rarely marked on the connectors / adaptors. I have also caught a cold with N connectors - but in my field they tend to be only 50 Ohm varieties.
    I keep telling myself that I should sort my box of adaptors/connectors out and paint a red blob on the 75 Ohm ones and also that if I find a questionable lead I should toss it - but I never get that far 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @galileo_rs
    @galileo_rs Год назад +1

    Went down the same rabbit hole a few times, now I only use reputable T connectors (scored a few used HUBER SUHNER a while back).

  • @microknigh7
    @microknigh7 18 дней назад

    I've had no end of issues with those T-adapters. Prossibly cheap s#!t ones. But having said that, some of mine are probably 40 years old LOL

  • @888DaveT
    @888DaveT 2 месяца назад

    When I was an Electrical Engineer at RCA/GE, one project required a High-Quality Spectrum Analyzer to measure Low-Level signals at 1 GHz. I quickly found out that BNC connectors and adapters are not only generally unreliable & intermittent, but especially so at low signal levels. Any job measuring, or transferring, low-level high-frequency signals requires the use of N-type, or properly torqued SMA-type, connectors to achieve the necessary reliability.

  • @Stefan_Payne
    @Stefan_Payne Год назад +1

    when there is an issue we always forget the easiest solution and look at the cheapest parts.
    We assume the worst, but forget that it might be something tiny...

  • @pientaszek0785
    @pientaszek0785 Год назад +1

    When do you planning to release a review?

    • @EEVblog2
      @EEVblog2  Год назад +6

      About half way through shooting and editing.

    • @pientaszek0785
      @pientaszek0785 Год назад

      Thanks,
      I'm waiting with purchase for your opinion.

    • @SystemX1983
      @SystemX1983 Год назад

      ​@@pientaszek0785if it's good, maybe prices will shoot up and none will be left in stock after releasing the review 😅

    • @Drew-Dastardly
      @Drew-Dastardly Год назад

      @@pientaszek0785 PMSL

  • @clems6989
    @clems6989 Год назад

    Glad is wasnt the scope...

  • @shazam6274
    @shazam6274 Год назад

    I, and dozens of others told you so! 😂

  • @BMRStudio
    @BMRStudio Год назад

    So the real question here is:
    Who make good BNC stuffs?
    The market is fulfilled with Chinese crap...

  • @Drekkag
    @Drekkag Год назад

    Rule number one of troubleshooting. Always check connectors and cables before blaming equipment

  • @MarkPalmer1000
    @MarkPalmer1000 Год назад

    Rudimentary discovery of a problem in the test setup, fault of the operator. We all do it, cables and connectors get sketchy, etc. Don't smack the equipment or call out the manufacturer before checking your physical setup first.

  • @calholli
    @calholli Год назад

    If you take some pilers and physically squeeze the BNC connector just slightly.. it will more tightly latch on when you lock it in-- and will prevent it from losing connection so easily by wiggling around. It's just a bit oversized and not locking securely.

  • @radarmusen
    @radarmusen Год назад

    It was only high frequency noise there was BeiNg Ceeing (sorry me trying to do a dad joke)

  • @technishn
    @technishn Год назад

    Have seen issues with some cheap Bnc connectors. I think the ground in the barrel only occurs at the end not down the length due to differences. A VNA should show something.

  • @erikdenhouter
    @erikdenhouter Год назад

    (Cheap) BNC ( T- ) connectors have play in the ground. I have seen this many times.

  • @artip777
    @artip777 Год назад

    Cheapy-creepy 😁

  • @rogerorchard2317
    @rogerorchard2317 Год назад

    I had show kit messed up with the 50 and 75 ohm BNC problem, the pins are diff sizes

  • @5Breaker
    @5Breaker Год назад +1

    Fiddeling intensifies

  • @MrDoneboy
    @MrDoneboy Год назад

    You just can't beat the old process of elimination!

  • @ZlayaCo6aka
    @ZlayaCo6aka Год назад

    I stopped listing quality connectors for sale five years ago because few ever sold. Most buy the "cheap" typically nickel and faux-gold plated backalley junk. Seems test results like this are preferable.

    • @Drew-Dastardly
      @Drew-Dastardly Год назад +1

      When a few connectors and cables cost more than the bloody test instrument there is no wonder. It's kind of like the audiophools obsession with OFC pure gold cables and connectors for a mains plug.

  • @pcwrangler09
    @pcwrangler09 Год назад

    Can't count how many bad t-connectors I've had.

  • @michaelmoore7975
    @michaelmoore7975 Год назад

    Yep. Kookaburra. Just like I said. Called it.

  • @LUNORTEK
    @LUNORTEK Год назад

    Can it be a small main ground fault in your building?

  • @ats89117
    @ats89117 Год назад +1

    Terrible video. There are a lot of good reasons to have a connection to a safety ground. Noise reduction isn't one of them...

  • @anthonywilliams7052
    @anthonywilliams7052 Год назад

    Called it!

  • @NeverTalkToCops1
    @NeverTalkToCops1 Год назад

    Daiyve, you're being bombarded by electromagnetic trash from PINE GAP! Scully...? ...Mulder?...

    • @barrieshepherd7694
      @barrieshepherd7694 Год назад +1

      My experience, from when I was living in Sydney, is that the radio spectrum below 50 Mhz is saturated with crap, traffic light loops, household WiFi range extenders, Ethernet over power, baby alarms, RF air con controllers, thousands of chinesium plug packs and crap from Solar inverters makes any Shortwave listening an impossibility. In a block of flats all this crap seems to get impressed on the mains wiring making the whole building a vertical radiator so I'm not surprised that Dave's lab is less than quiet. 😊

  • @tamasszekffy1895
    @tamasszekffy1895 Год назад

    I am about to upgrade from my still great Rigol 1054 to something better at serial decoding. Well, based on this crap, no more Rigol. Thank you very much...

    • @Drew-Dastardly
      @Drew-Dastardly Год назад

      That Rigol BNC connector not sold by Rigol was terrible it has to be said.