This Ribble bike is for 99% of 40 to 60 year olds that live in Britain they want a bike that looks good but won't kill their back and you can put mud guards on for winter riding
Imagine not having a totally separate bike for wet weather, with permanently installed mudguards. 😂 You could make it a very fast long distance bike for audaxes etc.
@@TheWoogerooI have a 2016 Ribble CGR (cross, gravel, road) and that's exactly what I've done, mudguards with 28c all season tubeless tyres, it's basically a British winter mile muncher.
The 'elite road cyclist' mind cannot comprehend the needs of endurance cyclists. All-road isn't gravel. Endurance road riders often prefer 30-35c (nominal) tires that balloon out on modern rims. These can be comfortable for long rides, confident on wet roads, and plenty capable for dusty paths and rail trails that our events often include. 32mm clearance with mudguards mounted matches your Tavelo tires. We spend plenty of time solo in the wind, so better aero is welcome regardless of Jesse's disbelief. It's not full grandpa Trek Domane geometry, but is an aggressive fit by endurance standards, matching it's aero moniker. Events rarely have a sag wagon, so we need to carry more stuff. It's not that hard fellas, you just have no frame of reference.
Hang on … are you suggesting we don’t like this offering? I thought we made it clear we were supportive of this option, it was a different take on the endurance bike category which we all think has become a little stale. yes we challenged each others opinions as we discussed it, but ultimately it’s a positive thing. We certainly believed it to be a more modern and progressive take on the “all road” category which we didn’t think was the case on that Vitus bike last year. As for the “elite cyclist” reference, I’m not really sure what you mean, were we not trying to challenge the language used in this category of bike that dumbs it down and makes it sounds slower or less performance oriented?
@@ChrisMillerCycling Not at all, and I can't see where you'd get that from. Even though you like it, y'all come across as genuinely confused about why it is the way it is and who it's for. That's why so many of the most liked comments echo that interpretation of your chat. "The X mind cannot comprehend Y" is a meme, and you regularly define your perspective on topics as that of elite level road cyclists. It's a joke. I think it's great that you two can banter so authentically from that perspective, which is why I tune in to every pod. But bikes for the average punter, our unremarkable physiques, and the typical rides we do seem to be pretty far from your frame of reference. And that's okay. Keep up the good work.
You just described my Scott Addict (endurance model). It has that aggressive endurance character you described as well, but due to me removing the spacers it came with.
Y’all are pretty dense if you don’t understand this bike. This bike is PERFECT for me: 50 year old rider who doesn’t compete, rides fondos and sportives, often rides on rough roads and the odd bit of gravel or trail. I don’t care at all about weight, because IT DOESNT MATTER, and I want room for bigger tires and maybe mud guards from time to time. You really really don’t get it. This isn’t competing with the Aeroad or Madone. It’s competing with the Cervelo Caledonia and Pinarello X, and has a similar philosophy and design.
yeah, I can't help but think that you guys are missing the mark on "who is the all road for" and I think this will be a heavily gifted bike. Like you get it for your dad who likes to ride bikes. I think gravel bikes have been this for a while where you buy the durable and comfy bike, throw road tires on it, and call it a day. Its for places with ruined pavement, like how people in the US buy an suv not to go off road but to deal with the potholes on our roads and the "better visibility" (everyone is up high now, your visibility is an arms race). This is the toyota rav4 of road bikes, no rider of this will do gravel, but every rider of the ribble will turn to their parner and say "wow i am getting so many fewer flat tires and my hands are going numb later in the ride than on my old roubaix"
I am not sure I agree with this particular bike. It has race bike tubing and bars that I am not sure make sense for an all road endurance based bike. It looks like a race bike but with all road geometry. The bars don't make sense for a bike that you would use on off road or endurance type rides where you might sit on the bar tops for a proportion of the ride.
100% agree. The rav 4 comparison is so true. Road feels nicer, and its looks aren't overly compromised when you show up to ride with your buddies. This is for riders who are aging out and still want something sporty without sacrificing their 48 year old spine to their 12 year old roubaix
Similar to the UK where the roads are so rubbish in places a gravel bike is way more comfortable with wider tyres. The days of being shaken to death on 23c or narrower tyres are long gone.
This is exactly the type of bike, bike fitters world wide call for. Race look and features, but relaxed geometry. Mudguard mounts are just a UK thing, but otherwise everything else would be perfect for me. It is a shame for such an uninteresting colour scheme.
Century riders, club group rides , charity rides, big day out rides, with room for very comfortable tire clearence. Lots of riders in this catagory, I think. Cheers
i would've loved this bike when i first started riding. no one really seemed to make an aero endurance(ish) bike. Just because you can't get long and low doesn't mean you want a big chunky frame. but 38mm tire clearance doesn't really do much. it's not big enough for true gravel tires (40+) , and wider than most sportive roadies (34's probably?). i like the idea but calling it "all road" misses the mark slightly from a marketing perspective.
This Ribble line should be called gran turismo. All road doesn't mean gravel, afaik. Strada bianchi still says strada. That bike would be happy there. But gravel stops being a "road", and becomes a path or a trail.
It's a UK bike for UK roads. Our roads are shit, it rains all the time, even on road rides you end up riding some stuff that would be considered gnarly in the US. It probably doesn't make sense anywhere outside of the UK (or maybe Belgium).
Most people don’t race, but plenty like to participate in fast, spirited group rides. The geometry works for a lot more people then you give it credit for. The bike is not holding me back.
The Ribble is for the average rider. I think you guys are thinking about this bike from your bubble. The majority or people aren't racing or riding fast. They want a comfortable bike that will take wide road tires, 35 or 38mm and can take mud guards. Someone who does charity rides, large group club rides, rides on bike paths with friends, etc.
Maybe, but we keep being told that people don’t want to buy endurance bikes because of the language used around them. What is great about this release is it seems to be trying to re-frame the category and make it desirable.
21:20 Jesse may need to phone a friend: Dylan’s video about aero for gravel racing made this exact claim - the longer you are in the wind (the longer the event takes you), the more aerodynamics matters. Of course it won’t matter if you are walking the bike, but even at “slower” riding speeds it will matter.
what people miss is that the longer you are out on the race course, generally the less the time improvement actually matters. on the podium, seconds matter, but if you're finishing last place....improving your time by half an hour may not be significant.
This would be for a bike suitable for me, a 40 years + old rider who clocks over 300 km a week. I enjoy long days in the saddle and consider myself neither the fastest nor the slowest. I live in an area with rough roads, so durability is important. Ideally, I'd like a second wheelset to handle light gravel as well. For reference, I'm currently riding a SEKA EXCEED, so something with a similar geometry and with aerodynamic shape
My main bike for the last 6 years is a cycle cross bike and just the way they are talking about it as a bike with clearance between gravel and road, but not endurance geometry, it feels like it’s already a thing. I know there are nuances, but close enough.
I recently put Enve 3.4 wheels with 35mm Enve road tires onto my Santa Cruz Stigmata gravel bike and it has changed my life. I PR'd my local climb by over a minute (10 km at 8.2% gradient). I'm running a standard Sram Rival XPRL setup with 40T chain ring and 10-44 cassette. My road bike is a 2021 Tarmac SL7 with Hunt 44/54, 30 mm GP5000, and Ultegra Di2 50-34 Chainring and 11-30 cassette. Even though my Tarmac is lighter and in a much more aggressive position, I continue to PR uphill and downhill segments on the Stigmata. I think there may be something to "comfortable is fast". I'm not selling my Tarmac just yet, as I see a need for it when doing fast group rides with pace lines....but I'd be curious to try. Even though the ENVE 3.4s are similar depths to the Hunts, they perform SO much better in the crosswinds. I think we just need race bikes with bigger tire clearance. I think my perfect bike would be a Canyon Aeroad with 35 mm tire clearance and a wide-range cassette (10-36). A big part of PRing that climb was being able to pedal at a more comfortable cadence which I cannot achieve on my road bike setup. I also like the feeling of bigger tires for comfort and saftey since our roads have lots of cracks/potholes. I'm considering getting a 11-34 cassette for my Tarmac now but can't go bigger on tires. I hate the term "All-Road" even more than "Endurance bike". I want my gravel bike to have as much tire clearance as possible because of the area I live in. I wouldn't ever ride my local gravel with 35s or 38s or anything really less than 45s. My Stigmata can run up to 50s which is why I bought it. I don't think anyone needs an All-Road/Endurance Bike.....get a good gravel bike with another wheelset.
The Ribble is for people like me. I'm heading towards 50, 110kgs, not flexible. I ride a Time ADHX 'all-road', to me it means from highways to back roads with potholes and imperfections - not gravel. 'All Road' suggests the frame might be a little stronger to support blokes like me,. 38mm tyre clearance means I can fit tyres wide enough for lower presures or even the dreaded hookless rims. Currently have 32s, might try 34/35 next. I would love the aero tweaks (for looks) and internal frame storage. Mudguard mounts for wet season would be welcome too. I'll never win a race but enjoy gran fondos, riding with mates and the old folks group ride every so often. If I didn't have my Time I would be looking hard at this.
At 64, I ride my ADHX 250 miles a week. Several months ago I went from 32mm Str's to 35mm Gravelking+ Slicks which measure 38mm on 303FC's.. Have never been more comfortable on a bike, especially now that I've got a Specialized Romin Mirror saddle. Heaven. And it's no slower on the crappy concrete I ride on.
I ride a Lynskey Ti gravel bike for the last five years but have for some time considered replacing it with a Time ADHX. The only reason I haven't is I want mounts for fenders and a rear rack and I don't want the internal through the headset routing. I have always been running 35mm in the summer and 40mm in the winter. Most of our gravel in SW Ontario is a mix of New Testament and Old Testament and 35mm are great. This gravel bike has replaced my steel drop bar touring bike which is another reason why I want rack mounts in the rear. One of our group that always goes on our yearly two week bike tour abroad has a carbon On-One that has the rear fender and rack mounts. If I am spending a big Wad on a new all purpose bike I want those mounts. We are not slow geezer tourist and with our 4-5 member group get great amusement pace lining and catching roadies.
38mm can be “enough” for all road with compromises. The elephant is the proprietary integrated stem and seatpost…they inhibit adding suspension stems and seatposts eg Redshift (as I do) or Vecnum. With those mods 38mm feels like 50mm.
The Ribble looks good for where I ride in Japan. Some of my rides involve 30km out on smooth roads without steep inclines, 30km on forest roads, which are often a mix of broken-up tarmac and various grades of gravel with a lot of steep climbs, and then 30km or so back on the smooth roads again. I use a gravel frame with 105 and 32 tyres. The Ribble would probably be faster on the paved sections and, if I actually needed a new bike, I would consider it.
I do t think we are saying it’s heavy as such, it’s more where that weight stacks up against bikes in that area. Like I said … it’s an S5 … a bike I love
54:55 if that’s the case, you’re doing both endurance and VO2 work wrong. You should feel essentially as fresh as you did at the start of the ride doing even 5h endurance, whereas VO2 is meant to be a maximal effort (not just that “105-120% of FTP” bs), that is very fatiguing…
Seriously? You can’t ride technical chunky gravel on 38mm? I live in central Arkansas where we have chunky natural gravel forestry roads with 100+ feet of elevation gain per mile and many people ride 38mm tires with no issues. Now, would 45+ mm tires get better traction and comfortable over long distance? Of course, but it a bit sad to hear that 38mm is a hard “no” for technical gravel. If you are a skilled bike handler and have a mountain bike background, then 38mm is just fine. Roadies switching to off-road, may need much wider to help the lack of off-road skill 😉😂 Last comment is just a sh** talking jab made for fun!
@@TheWoogeroo but this isn’t a gravel bike. It’s an All-Road bike. Yes, this day and age one would expect to buy a GRAVEL bike that fits larger width tires but as this isn’t a gravel bike but an aero all-road bike, then that would be contradictory to its intended design.
Thank you! I rode a cross bike for years before ultra-wide gravel bikes came around. 34, 35's work fine for gravel roads. Unless you are doing mountain bike singletrack on a regular basis, or really muddy courses, I think this bike would be fine for most people.
A light, aero bike with workable dirt geo and clearance up to 40 is basically the definition of a “fast gravel” bike. I just ran a Roubaix SL8 with 50mm deep wheels and 40c tires at SBT and it was lightning fast with plenty enough volume, helping me place in the top 15. Don’t sleep on these bikes!
I agree my Ostro Vam v2 is very comfortable, coming from an Aeroad CF SLX. I'm 6 foot 1 and run a 54cm frame with a 36/120mm stem. A side note I really love the look of the frame as well as the Black Inc barstem which is a big reason I went for it.
With a largely UK market, there is all their gov bike 'subsidies' to consider. Room for mudguards and winter tyres with in-board storage too. Weekday commuter becomes weekend warrior? 1 bike with 2 pairs of wheels/tyres; 'which will I fit today?" The weight is said not to 'matter' much vs aero, until 5-8%+. However, weight matters more to lower powered folk when climbing, as THIS takes them longer & gravity works in m/sec squared. Pros this, pros that. Normal folk do what they can. Carrying 1 or more kilos than you should? Forget worrying about some grams on your bike if you're on a budget, anyway.
Endurance bike guy here... I'm on the lookout for the new bread of endurance bikes. Why? First because I don't want to ride a race bike with 35mm spacers and 90mm stem (ai have that now). The clearance is because besides trying to go fast with my grupetto I want to do several day rides with 100miles a day. For that, I prefer to put some 35c tires (measuring some 38mm). Right now the top offer in this regard is the enve fray. The Defy is also very competitive but they don't sell frameset only in Europe.
I think the Ribble will be a good bike especially for the UK riders it’s mainly aimed at, but they are doing nothing unusual with the geometry, it’s almost identical to a BMC Roadmachine which itself sits in the endurance category but is certainly more towards the race end of the spectrum, compare the stack / reach ratio to something like a Canyon endurace and you’ll see what I mean. It’s a big improvement on Ribbles previous attempt at Endurance though!
That style of geo with a steep seat tube and a relatively slack head angle, paired with endurancy stack and reach figures and big'ish tire clearance isn't unheard of. Look has introduced it maybe two years ago with the 765 Optimum. Mapdec has a good video on that. I ride this bike and it is the perfect geo imho for me and probably many other recreational riders. I am in my 40s, still reasonably fit and like to challenge myself with the occasional marathon or gran fondo type event. I like the feel of zipping the whole day but I am not a racer. I like to go fast downhill but appreciate an extra bit of stability over twitchiness to feel safe and relaxed while doing it. I sit reasonably sporty but not aero-aggressive. I like a good looking bike but I don't like a chimney of spacers ;-). I like the Look so much better than my previous BMC Teammachine and I feel like I'd like the new Ribble as well. Not for Gravel though. I have a Gravel bike that clears 45-50mm tires. 38mm may be a commuter size but makes for a pretty poor gravel experience in my experience.
38 maxi ramblers will cope with all but rock gardens at 40 psi. the issue i have with this frame is the likely lack of reinforcement of carbon where required to cope with stones flicking up into the carbon and heavy impacts
Yeah, unless you live here, people won't understand. Potholed, gravel strewn, pitted, and that is often the main roads. It's even worse on rural/ country roads...
I’ll tell you who it’s for - people like me. I actually currently own the Venon Evo and it’s a great bike for what I want. Now in the summer I mostly ride full race bikes, I do some road racing, road bike time trials, fast chain gangs etc, currently I’m riding a new Supersix Evo for this. But in the winter in the UK the roads are crappy and rough, and very wet. Really you need a bike that takes mudguards and also bigger road tyres like 32mm+ with guards to give you more protection from unseen potholes etc. However if you are a performance focused rider you still want something that feels fast and enjoyable and is not much of a disadvantage to the guys who are still using their race bikes in winter. I also do ultra endurance races, and ultimately that is where these bikes really fit best. Aero matters when you are riding 1000+ miles, over a long course the savings can really make a difference and can save energy as well as getting you there a bit faster. You want the larger tyres for comfort when riding 16-20 hours a day, and need a slightly more relaxed geometry than your race bike to reflect the long hours in the saddle. Often ultra road races include short gravel sections - not enough to warrant using a gravel bike and gravel tyres, but too much for a race bike on 28mm. You are confusing yourselves by seeing this as a “light gravel” bike, it’s not. It’s a full road bike that just won’t feel totally out of its depth if you find yourself on a short gravel section or a really rough crappy road. It doesn’t need bigger tyre clearance, if you are spending substantial amounts of time on gravel there are other bikes for that.
So i now have 2 wheelsets for my trek checkpoint sl6 gravel bike, 1 has 42mm tyres other 30mm tyres. More relaxed comfy and slower making training harder. Hop on my road bike with 56mm and 65mm deep wheels to race and i feel like a monster, boosts my confidence. This way i have less body aches then riding my aggressive road bike all the time.
Maybe I'm oversimplifying, but... isn't this an aero endurance bike? Slightly heavier but more aero (so, the same aero vs weight discussion as during the previous gen of road bikes, but in the endurance context now). This bike is not for racers, it's for the endurance public (that should be broader IMO) that now has a slightly heavier but more aero option.
Ok...I have watching this type of bike come about into the market. My .02 cents...this is what the modern road bike will become for most riders. You may quote me. It's what I would buy...an older rider who does not race yet appreciates the modern benefits of tech advances: NOT a rolling couch made for MAMILS with too much 'soft tissue opposition', yet not a long and low, short, race machine. Aero touches. Semi-integrated is fine (not through the stem/bars) Room for 38s...plenty...I will run 30 or 32s on wide carbon rims at 40-50mm deep. Handling that is just slightly more calm...lower BB...5mms at the stays...it adds up yet still is gratifying when prodded a bit and tossed into a lovely, fast corner. Like my Time ADHX, actually, but with aero chops and less frame weight. Oh, and All Road is such a strange word to pin down, but Chris got it right when he was talking about country lanes, etc. It is not, for most people, a gravel bike, although there are places in the US where it could be. The guys going to 2.0/2.1 29er tires, etc,...that is pretty niche and is event specific for them. It's not always the fastest tire for every course if speed is really the focus. Great discussion though. gg
You boys may be overthinking the Ribble bike - they’ve solve the Endurance SL Disc for a few years despite it being criticised for a low long race geometry They’ve just fixed their endurance bike offering….🎉
Got single-sided Favero Pro MX pedals for my road bike a few months ago. Coming from never having had a power meter before absolutely love them. Solid engineering, great app too.
So the slower guy saves more time with the aero improvements (so long as he's not THAT much slower) but he saves a smaller PERCENTAGE of his time than the fast guy. Helps it make sense if you think of it that way. I think this bike is a bit of an odd mismash. But I will say, that a bike with race bike features but a slightly less aggressive fit is actually a really good idea, and most guys on race bikes could actually use this. Heck, most pros on SL8s seem to have a spacer or two under the stem now. Chris talking about the guy who is a pretty quick rider, still moves quick on a bike, but works at a desk and he can't quite get on with the pro bike fit probably actually suits a lot of the people with the income to buy these nice bikes. I wish my SL6 had 30mm more stack so I could run it without spacers. I'll never be flexible enough to need it lower than that. So I think the geo is moving in the right direction for sure.
If you look at the Dogma F, which is the race bike from Pinarello ridden by the pros, it also has stack and reach figures in endurance bike territory (varies a bit with the sizes, but at least in the bigger sizes). For my bike fit those stack/reach figures are a lot better, just unfortunately the dogma not for my wallet. I wish there were a lot more aero optimized bikes out there with higher stack... You can still be fast even if you're not extremely flexible. And higher stack doesnt mean you cant get into an aero position. It also highly depends on your body proportions.
In the uk we have either ‘gravel’ which is more suitable for xc mtb generally in limestone country with big rocks or the all road gravel which is shit farm roads with mud and bits of grass maybe loads of thorns. What we don’t have much of is the us miles of gravel roads that suit these 50mm tyres and stuff
So I have a gravel bike that I’ve been racing in local club gravel events for a few seasons now in the States. Running Pathfinder Pro’s in 47mm. I had a Chris King road wheelset built for me with GP5000 AS TR in 700x35. I use the King wheelset for training and club road group rides. I am the OG All-Road, bitches.
I have a road bike that I race only twice a year for a few seasons now in the States. I wash it once every week. I have a stock hub in my wheelset not specifically built for me. I run the fastest tires BRR tells me even though I rarely race. I use the Aero wheelset for all my rides that don't include fast road groups. I am the original bitch, OG.
I love some e-assistance on my commuter, just a front-hub Green Zone Bikes conversion kit on an alloy 26" mountain bike. And a true e-bike for the road would be even better, great for safety through big intersections and sketchy/high traffic stretches and the like. And it would be interesting to hear why those e-road bikes are popular in Europe, adventures or commuting or everything. And I have to say my e-bike kit has helped me beat the time clock a time or two, not as fast as i used to be, lol.
Re: end of season goals. You guys mentioned a few weeks ago about no longer pandering to the notion that not everyone is seeking performance gains. Same can be said for weight loss and w/kg gains. No need to tiptoe around as though “it’s ok for me to lose want to lose weight, but everyone else be careful of an eating disorder.” It’s ok. This is a safe space among friends. Would actually love to hear a segment on weight loss/maintenance without all the hemming and hawing, and probably *most* others would too.
1:26:24 I think the problem with “run clubbers” getting injured is the same with all older fitness enthusiasts - doing too much too soon, and people underrate running, it’s also very easy to get started, in the wrong way, terrible shoes etc. With cycling in your 20s or 30s, your lungs will give out before you hurt your back or sprain anything else- And 30-40km a week is very little training for people training for a marathon at any level especially if you plan finishing alive or in one piece
You should've been comparing the Tarmac SL8 in a 56 to a Medium/Large in Giant and Medium Canyon sizes as those are closer to a 56. Missed the mark on making a useful comparison
E-road bikes a popular in Tassie! Trek Domane+, Bianchi e-Aria / e-allroad & Orbea Gain’s are pretty popular! Loads of options in terms of spec and price too!!
The Ostro Vam is not faster than the Dogma F, that was the Factor One. Tour hasn't Tested Ostro Vam. Factor One is 205 Watts Dogma F is 208 Watts and 205 Watts on a Zipp NSW
The guy choosing between a dogma and an ostro wanting to do tts should get an aero road. Canyon do a clip on aero bar that would transform the bike for him and make it a better tt bike. Much better value too.
If you add clip on bars you will be competing in a category against full TT bikes. These days many TTs have a road bike category, where clip on bars are not allowed
20-30k a week is like 3 hours of running. If you’re getting that badly injured off 3 hours of running… something has gone wrong. Hilariously tho the solution for these people is probably to supplement their training with riding
As someone who frequents both, Run club is a better social environment than cycle meets. If you are not in the 'group' it's very hard to break in, it's all very hyper type A. I know since I travel and rock up to a lot of new cycle meets where I'm the outsider. If you don't show dominance by pulling on the front from the get go, some local punter will try to gutter you. Jesse is also correct about the age and sexual diversity. If you want to meet women under 30 go to run club.
Seems like its the one bike to rule them all, commute a couple of miles in to work, maybe rolling over a multiuse gravel path on the way there, then chuck in quicker wheels and remove mudguards on the weekend ;)
Chris, you keep saying how the Chapter2 Koko has endurance geometry, short reach and high stack......the reach is shorter(ish) but the stack is way lower than a Canyon Aeroad. Tarmac SL8 and the Cervelo S5.......in a size Small, or 52 Tarmac or 51 S5/ XS Aeroad.
I think the main issue he had with it was the slack seat angle which is common on endurance bikes. He couldn’t get far enough over the BB. But that would also make the bike effectively longer
I might be the only person in the world who had issues with the assioma pro mx-2 pedals as everyone sells them as the best most reliable pedals as it would be impossible for them to stop working. For me the left pedal stop transmitting data from the second ride 45 minutes into the ride and would work again only after connecting it to the power supply. This went on for a few more times until it stop working completely. Favero customer service is good although a little slow with the response but they have replaced it so no issues. However just be aware there is no product that is 100% reliable although youtubers make it often sound like that.
In the UK now Alroad bikes are the best option due the xxxx roads we have now. I have no interest in gravel. I used to race and I own a TCR which I love but when I decided to upgrade to disc I went with a Canyon Endurace. I use the TCR for when I want to pin my ears back for a few hours. But if im doing a long ride which is sub 30kph the Endrace is perfect. Love the show.
In canada because we are out of cycling november to april, cross country skiing is an amazing crossover training sport... I can't imagine having access to roads you could ride all year probably similar to chris can't imagine not being able to ride all year.
I like the idea of a somewhat relaxed geometry that is in every other way like a Tarmac etc. I don’t want it to be partly gravel or even close. I run 42 or 45 on my gravel bike. I don’t want goofy mudguard mounts, storage chambers, suspension, or anything like that. I want aero tube profiles and reasonably light. I don't want it to look different at first glance from bikes younger people race on. Perhaps only a slighty taller head tube (allowing for fewer spacers). This comes close. Just a few gimicks I could do without. Jesse exactly described what I want.
Suspension on road bikes is another thing i would expect to see in 10-15 years. Road bikes will be looked at more like performance cars/ motorcycles considering the speeds of pro pelotons and the prices
Keen to see the 2024 factor ostro vam tested in a wind tunnel by TOUR soon…new bottle cages and deeeeeep front section look promising and with the right parts easily under 6.9kg
Regarding the one bike to do it all, what’s missing is the second wheel set all set up. If that was bundled into the deal, it would definitely be the complete package. Probably want a minimum 45mm tyre option.
I’m 42 years old and I race, but I do have a short torso and always have to run a 90mm stem and all bike fitters have prescribed me a endurance bike but I won’t do it as I want a fast bike, this Ribble looks great for me if I had the money
Jessie, you will also be in Lorne for Amy's in a fortnight. (Cya there for my 12th, with a golden "Ridden All Events Gold Rider" tag, too.) Please explain how your bike & kit set-up will be adjusted from your shorter races? How will you have enough H20, electrolytes & 'food' if you plan NOT to stop at any feed-zones, or have roadside support? If you dare, what time are you aiming for yourself at Amy's? Eating and drinking are both, not, aero activities, & there is that 16% pinch as well. A Bicycling mag (US) article from years ago set up a velodrome session (pre bike windtunnel use), that meaningfully measured the time losses just from biden drinking. The more who attend this year, the more qualifiers we will have there for 'Team Oz'. Have you talked or thought about this year's Amy's top 25% qualification opportunity for next year's GF worlds to be held in Lorne next Oct, '25? With 13 months until a WCs on home soil, that's a pretty good period to prepare for a 122km race with almost 2,000m of climbing. What bike will you think of building for yourself & the show for your Oct '25 attempt/effort/team participation? Currently, the UCI checks only saddle nose and the 'handlebar box' at GF WC events, not frames, not wheels, I checked directly with Erwin Vervecken. What will you change for yourself, and your coaching clients who qualified, if attending the UCI's GF WCs next year? Perth held it in '16, it could be ages before it comes back home again, but there are age groups, too. Brisbane GF WCs in '32, ummmm, no, that'll be a different race.
It’s not for “slower riders” as you suggest - it’s best suited to fast riders who are wanting to do long distance events, and long winter training rides in crappy weather where they don’t want to use their summer race bike.
you guys come at this from a road rider's perspective. I am predominantly a mtb rider who dabbles in road and gravel. an MTB gets a gravel bike he may go down the road of something burlier running 50's (e.g. me and my salsa cutthroat). this is a good choice because it allows for bikepacking and adventure riding. however suddenly if i had an itch to do road... the ribble is exactly what i'd want. the ability to have 38s means i can jump on a bit of dirt to connection sections of tarmac... have 38s means i can run tubeless more confidently. as a result i have a niner rlt 9 from 2014 which is a very. similar concept to the ribble granted i am running 40's but I am quite tempted to downgrade the tyres to mid 30s. it came stock with 35s. this ribble isn't a totally new concept its been done before and consumers are finally coming back round to it.
Regarding the Ribble bike: I actually think this is an answer for a much larger demographic of people we've made it out to be. Marketing in the cycling industry has always encouraged its culture and audience to romanticise the concept of "racing and sport" for all of the pros and cons to that there may be, but in reality not everyone or anyone can have the fitness, flexibility or time devotion towards cycling to fully embrace what the marketing and culture makes it need to be, in summary everyone wants to be a race cyclist but arent flexible enough to do it: this is a very conscious and aware product that caters to that large demographic, even though it may seem niche, im confident thats one of the largest demographics of people in cycling: people who want to be racers but aren't.
I really like the ribble. It has good enough clearance for a comfy ride. Comes in at a fair price. And probably a good jack of all trades (master of none) bike which I think is fine for all but the most competitive of riders.
This is a perfect bike for ultra endurance, Audax as well as anybody doing long miles. Most people should be riding a bike like this. Very people really need an aggressive road bike. The wheels are shit though. It’s a great looking bike but putting 21 mm internal Mavic wheels ruins the bike.
I don't understand how these bikes are so fkin expensive, yet manufacturers want you to buy a 'new' improved type, at least, twice a year? When will that spiral madness STOP?
If you're a KOM sprinter, you want a stuff bb. Stop it with the fleck Factor... The Venge is comfortable for climbing. The SL* is eve far more comfortable and still relatively stiff.
This Ribble bike is for 99% of 40 to 60 year olds that live in Britain they want a bike that looks good but won't kill their back and you can put mud guards on for winter riding
Imagine not having a totally separate bike for wet weather, with permanently installed mudguards. 😂
You could make it a very fast long distance bike for audaxes etc.
There is one big problem. This bike is not looking good
I'm sold 😅
Ya whipper snapper like Chris and Jessie don’t realize that after 50 you need to be really dedicated to stretching to keep riding that slammed stem
@@TheWoogerooI have a 2016 Ribble CGR (cross, gravel, road) and that's exactly what I've done, mudguards with 28c all season tubeless tyres, it's basically a British winter mile muncher.
The 'elite road cyclist' mind cannot comprehend the needs of endurance cyclists. All-road isn't gravel. Endurance road riders often prefer 30-35c (nominal) tires that balloon out on modern rims. These can be comfortable for long rides, confident on wet roads, and plenty capable for dusty paths and rail trails that our events often include. 32mm clearance with mudguards mounted matches your Tavelo tires. We spend plenty of time solo in the wind, so better aero is welcome regardless of Jesse's disbelief. It's not full grandpa Trek Domane geometry, but is an aggressive fit by endurance standards, matching it's aero moniker. Events rarely have a sag wagon, so we need to carry more stuff. It's not that hard fellas, you just have no frame of reference.
Are you talking about endurance or ultra-endurance?
Is the Domane that? I was looking at the geometry, and I'm not seeing a grandpa bike.....It's perfectly fine for the normal cyclist, who doesn't race.
Hang on … are you suggesting we don’t like this offering? I thought we made it clear we were supportive of this option, it was a different take on the endurance bike category which we all think has become a little stale. yes we challenged each others opinions as we discussed it, but ultimately it’s a positive thing. We certainly believed it to be a more modern and progressive take on the “all road” category which we didn’t think was the case on that Vitus bike last year.
As for the “elite cyclist” reference, I’m not really sure what you mean, were we not trying to challenge the language used in this category of bike that dumbs it down and makes it sounds slower or less performance oriented?
@@ChrisMillerCycling Not at all, and I can't see where you'd get that from. Even though you like it, y'all come across as genuinely confused about why it is the way it is and who it's for. That's why so many of the most liked comments echo that interpretation of your chat.
"The X mind cannot comprehend Y" is a meme, and you regularly define your perspective on topics as that of elite level road cyclists. It's a joke. I think it's great that you two can banter so authentically from that perspective, which is why I tune in to every pod. But bikes for the average punter, our unremarkable physiques, and the typical rides we do seem to be pretty far from your frame of reference. And that's okay. Keep up the good work.
You just described my Scott Addict (endurance model). It has that aggressive endurance character you described as well, but due to me removing the spacers it came with.
g'day
Glad their behaviour is odd to you too.
@@lazeroth89 🤦♂
gonna have to work on that accent
good cobber how ya goin
Ken oaf
Y’all are pretty dense if you don’t understand this bike. This bike is PERFECT for me: 50 year old rider who doesn’t compete, rides fondos and sportives, often rides on rough roads and the odd bit of gravel or trail. I don’t care at all about weight, because IT DOESNT MATTER, and I want room for bigger tires and maybe mud guards from time to time. You really really don’t get it. This isn’t competing with the Aeroad or Madone. It’s competing with the Cervelo Caledonia and Pinarello X, and has a similar philosophy and design.
yeah, I can't help but think that you guys are missing the mark on "who is the all road for" and I think this will be a heavily gifted bike. Like you get it for your dad who likes to ride bikes. I think gravel bikes have been this for a while where you buy the durable and comfy bike, throw road tires on it, and call it a day. Its for places with ruined pavement, like how people in the US buy an suv not to go off road but to deal with the potholes on our roads and the "better visibility" (everyone is up high now, your visibility is an arms race). This is the toyota rav4 of road bikes, no rider of this will do gravel, but every rider of the ribble will turn to their parner and say "wow i am getting so many fewer flat tires and my hands are going numb later in the ride than on my old roubaix"
I am not sure I agree with this particular bike. It has race bike tubing and bars that I am not sure make sense for an all road endurance based bike. It looks like a race bike but with all road geometry. The bars don't make sense for a bike that you would use on off road or endurance type rides where you might sit on the bar tops for a proportion of the ride.
All road? All shit!
100% agree. The rav 4 comparison is so true. Road feels nicer, and its looks aren't overly compromised when you show up to ride with your buddies. This is for riders who are aging out and still want something sporty without sacrificing their 48 year old spine to their 12 year old roubaix
Similar to the UK where the roads are so rubbish in places a gravel bike is way more comfortable with wider tyres.
The days of being shaken to death on 23c or narrower tyres are long gone.
This is exactly the type of bike, bike fitters world wide call for. Race look and features, but relaxed geometry. Mudguard mounts are just a UK thing, but otherwise everything else would be perfect for me. It is a shame for such an uninteresting colour scheme.
Century riders, club group rides , charity rides, big day out rides, with room for very comfortable tire clearence. Lots of riders in this catagory, I think. Cheers
i would've loved this bike when i first started riding. no one really seemed to make an aero endurance(ish) bike. Just because you can't get long and low doesn't mean you want a big chunky frame. but 38mm tire clearance doesn't really do much. it's not big enough for true gravel tires (40+) , and wider than most sportive roadies (34's probably?). i like the idea but calling it "all road" misses the mark slightly from a marketing perspective.
Agree! 100% (Chris Voice)
They can’t relate to us slow pokes. 😂
yeah the randonneuring community would be a big fan of this bike I think
Also -- great for riders in the UK generally, which makes sense for Ribble specifically. Stick some 35 slicks and send it at some audax events
@@bluemovies3397 Forgive me, but I still associate randonneuring with steel frames and 650b wheels.....
This Ribble line should be called gran turismo. All road doesn't mean gravel, afaik. Strada bianchi still says strada. That bike would be happy there. But gravel stops being a "road", and becomes a path or a trail.
That’s a great call! “Gran Turismo” is a much easier sell, and we could use phrases like “real road performance” … nice one!
It's a UK bike for UK roads. Our roads are shit, it rains all the time, even on road rides you end up riding some stuff that would be considered gnarly in the US. It probably doesn't make sense anywhere outside of the UK (or maybe Belgium).
Mostly listen to the show in podcast form, watch occasionally, but seriously love the show guys. Please don’t stop making it anytime soon.
Not sure why this is being compared against Canyon Aeroad…should be matched against the Canyon Endurace to compare apples to apples.
For episode 100 can we PLEASE send Chris to Run Club?! I'll happily fund it.
I’ll need to start a TikTok account first 😂
@@leeparsons1994 he’ll show up like a jehovas witness with pamphlets with next years fondo schedule on it trying to convert them to cycling 😂
@@ChrisMillerCyclingEpisode 100…we want Miller on an SL8 test ride
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Most people don’t race, but plenty like to participate in fast, spirited group rides. The geometry works for a lot more people then you give it credit for. The bike is not holding me back.
The Ribble is for the average rider. I think you guys are thinking about this bike from your bubble. The majority or people aren't racing or riding fast. They want a comfortable bike that will take wide road tires, 35 or 38mm and can take mud guards. Someone who does charity rides, large group club rides, rides on bike paths with friends, etc.
But then, so is a Defy, This is just an Endurance bike with aero touches, isn't it?
Maybe, but we keep being told that people don’t want to buy endurance bikes because of the language used around them. What is great about this release is it seems to be trying to re-frame the category and make it desirable.
@@AnderGdeT whats wrong with endurance aero? It looks cool and comfier than race aero. Perfection
@@laillosidgar Oh, no, not at all. But I find it weird that it's so hard to classify
21:20 Jesse may need to phone a friend: Dylan’s video about aero for gravel racing made this exact claim - the longer you are in the wind (the longer the event takes you), the more aerodynamics matters. Of course it won’t matter if you are walking the bike, but even at “slower” riding speeds it will matter.
what people miss is that the longer you are out on the race course, generally the less the time improvement actually matters. on the podium, seconds matter, but if you're finishing last place....improving your time by half an hour may not be significant.
@@rgfroboticsalthough it may be significant to your significant other ;-)
This would be for a bike suitable for me, a 40 years + old rider who clocks over 300 km a week. I enjoy long days in the saddle and consider myself neither the fastest nor the slowest. I live in an area with rough roads, so durability is important. Ideally, I'd like a second wheelset to handle light gravel as well. For reference, I'm currently riding a SEKA EXCEED, so something with a similar geometry and with aerodynamic shape
My main bike for the last 6 years is a cycle cross bike and just the way they are talking about it as a bike with clearance between gravel and road, but not endurance geometry, it feels like it’s already a thing. I know there are nuances, but close enough.
Its for people who race audaxes, and miss the whole point if Audaxes. Not actual racers, but they want to go fast.
I recently put Enve 3.4 wheels with 35mm Enve road tires onto my Santa Cruz Stigmata gravel bike and it has changed my life. I PR'd my local climb by over a minute (10 km at 8.2% gradient). I'm running a standard Sram Rival XPRL setup with 40T chain ring and 10-44 cassette. My road bike is a 2021 Tarmac SL7 with Hunt 44/54, 30 mm GP5000, and Ultegra Di2 50-34 Chainring and 11-30 cassette. Even though my Tarmac is lighter and in a much more aggressive position, I continue to PR uphill and downhill segments on the Stigmata. I think there may be something to "comfortable is fast". I'm not selling my Tarmac just yet, as I see a need for it when doing fast group rides with pace lines....but I'd be curious to try. Even though the ENVE 3.4s are similar depths to the Hunts, they perform SO much better in the crosswinds. I think we just need race bikes with bigger tire clearance. I think my perfect bike would be a Canyon Aeroad with 35 mm tire clearance and a wide-range cassette (10-36). A big part of PRing that climb was being able to pedal at a more comfortable cadence which I cannot achieve on my road bike setup. I also like the feeling of bigger tires for comfort and saftey since our roads have lots of cracks/potholes. I'm considering getting a 11-34 cassette for my Tarmac now but can't go bigger on tires. I hate the term "All-Road" even more than "Endurance bike". I want my gravel bike to have as much tire clearance as possible because of the area I live in. I wouldn't ever ride my local gravel with 35s or 38s or anything really less than 45s. My Stigmata can run up to 50s which is why I bought it. I don't think anyone needs an All-Road/Endurance Bike.....get a good gravel bike with another wheelset.
The Ribble is for people like me. I'm heading towards 50, 110kgs, not flexible. I ride a Time ADHX 'all-road', to me it means from highways to back roads with potholes and imperfections - not gravel. 'All Road' suggests the frame might be a little stronger to support blokes like me,. 38mm tyre clearance means I can fit tyres wide enough for lower presures or even the dreaded hookless rims. Currently have 32s, might try 34/35 next. I would love the aero tweaks (for looks) and internal frame storage. Mudguard mounts for wet season would be welcome too. I'll never win a race but enjoy gran fondos, riding with mates and the old folks group ride every so often. If I didn't have my Time I would be looking hard at this.
At 64, I ride my ADHX 250 miles a week. Several months ago I went from 32mm Str's to 35mm Gravelking+ Slicks which measure 38mm on 303FC's.. Have never been more comfortable on a bike, especially now that I've got a Specialized Romin Mirror saddle. Heaven. And it's no slower on the crappy concrete I ride on.
I ride a Lynskey Ti gravel bike for the last five years but have for some time considered replacing it with a Time ADHX. The only reason I haven't is I want mounts for fenders and a rear rack and I don't want the internal through the headset routing. I have always been running 35mm in the summer and 40mm in the winter. Most of our gravel in SW Ontario is a mix of New Testament and Old Testament and 35mm are great. This gravel bike has replaced my steel drop bar touring bike which is another reason why I want rack mounts in the rear. One of our group that always goes on our yearly two week bike tour abroad has a carbon On-One that has the rear fender and rack mounts. If I am spending a big Wad on a new all purpose bike I want those mounts. We are not slow geezer tourist and with our 4-5 member group get great amusement pace lining and catching roadies.
These all road bikes are better for everyone who is not racing at an elite level. Don't be daft.
38mm can be “enough” for all road with compromises.
The elephant is the proprietary integrated stem and seatpost…they inhibit adding suspension stems and seatposts eg Redshift (as I do) or Vecnum.
With those mods 38mm feels like 50mm.
The Ribble looks good for where I ride in Japan. Some of my rides involve 30km out on smooth roads without steep inclines, 30km on forest roads, which are often a mix of broken-up tarmac and various grades of gravel with a lot of steep climbs, and then 30km or so back on the smooth roads again. I use a gravel frame with 105 and 32 tyres. The Ribble would probably be faster on the paved sections and, if I actually needed a new bike, I would consider it.
It's for middle aged men (like me). Honestly a good market to serve.
Speak for yourself I still prefer a long low road racer and I'm 60 but I've ridden long and low for 40 odd years can't beat it for fast riding.
@@paulbatson7881he didn't say it's for all middle aged men, it was just a suggestion of which type of consummer may be more in favor of this.
When you are old you want to be fast but not contort yourself in half. And there are a lot of old guys who like cycling. Aero + comfort sounds good!
Endurance does not automaticly mean slow, just less flexible body than a professional.
Lads, you need to get away from this 7.5kgs for a build is heavy. As a 90kg+ rider 500g means sod all.
I do t think we are saying it’s heavy as such, it’s more where that weight stacks up against bikes in that area. Like I said … it’s an S5 … a bike I love
54:55 if that’s the case, you’re doing both endurance and VO2 work wrong.
You should feel essentially as fresh as you did at the start of the ride doing even 5h endurance, whereas VO2 is meant to be a maximal effort (not just that “105-120% of FTP” bs), that is very fatiguing…
If you see UK 'roads' in winter then you'll see what this bike is made for haha.
Seriously? You can’t ride technical chunky gravel on 38mm? I live in central Arkansas where we have chunky natural gravel forestry roads with 100+ feet of elevation gain per mile and many people ride 38mm tires with no issues. Now, would 45+ mm tires get better traction and comfortable over long distance? Of course, but it a bit sad to hear that 38mm is a hard “no” for technical gravel. If you are a skilled bike handler and have a mountain bike background, then 38mm is just fine. Roadies switching to off-road, may need much wider to help the lack of off-road skill 😉😂
Last comment is just a sh** talking jab made for fun!
If you’re buying a new £5k bike to ride said gravel, one that only clears 38s is a bad idea when there are plenty of options that clear 50c tyres.
@@TheWoogeroo but this isn’t a gravel bike. It’s an All-Road bike. Yes, this day and age one would expect to buy a GRAVEL bike that fits larger width tires but as this isn’t a gravel bike but an aero all-road bike, then that would be contradictory to its intended design.
Thank you! I rode a cross bike for years before ultra-wide gravel bikes came around. 34, 35's work fine for gravel roads. Unless you are doing mountain bike singletrack on a regular basis, or really muddy courses, I think this bike would be fine for most people.
A light, aero bike with workable dirt geo and clearance up to 40 is basically the definition of a “fast gravel” bike. I just ran a Roubaix SL8 with 50mm deep wheels and 40c tires at SBT and it was lightning fast with plenty enough volume, helping me place in the top 15. Don’t sleep on these bikes!
I agree my Ostro Vam v2 is very comfortable, coming from an Aeroad CF SLX. I'm 6 foot 1 and run a 54cm frame with a 36/120mm stem.
A side note I really love the look of the frame as well as the Black Inc barstem which is a big reason I went for it.
With a largely UK market, there is all their gov bike 'subsidies' to consider. Room for mudguards and winter tyres with in-board storage too. Weekday commuter becomes weekend warrior? 1 bike with 2 pairs of wheels/tyres; 'which will I fit today?" The weight is said not to 'matter' much vs aero, until 5-8%+. However, weight matters more to lower powered folk when climbing, as THIS takes them longer & gravity works in m/sec squared. Pros this, pros that. Normal folk do what they can. Carrying 1 or more kilos than you should? Forget worrying about some grams on your bike if you're on a budget, anyway.
Endurance bike guy here... I'm on the lookout for the new bread of endurance bikes. Why? First because I don't want to ride a race bike with 35mm spacers and 90mm stem (ai have that now).
The clearance is because besides trying to go fast with my grupetto I want to do several day rides with 100miles a day. For that, I prefer to put some 35c tires (measuring some 38mm).
Right now the top offer in this regard is the enve fray. The Defy is also very competitive but they don't sell frameset only in Europe.
Would be interesting to hear your take on commuting to train. 30/45/60 min each way 3/4/5 days a week. What to do if intervals are interrupted etc
I would love an aero endurace gravel bike. Sounds right up my alley
I think the Ribble will be a good bike especially for the UK riders it’s mainly aimed at, but they are doing nothing unusual with the geometry, it’s almost identical to a BMC Roadmachine which itself sits in the endurance category but is certainly more towards the race end of the spectrum, compare the stack / reach ratio to something like a Canyon endurace and you’ll see what I mean.
It’s a big improvement on Ribbles previous attempt at Endurance though!
That style of geo with a steep seat tube and a relatively slack head angle, paired with endurancy stack and reach figures and big'ish tire clearance isn't unheard of. Look has introduced it maybe two years ago with the 765 Optimum. Mapdec has a good video on that. I ride this bike and it is the perfect geo imho for me and probably many other recreational riders. I am in my 40s, still reasonably fit and like to challenge myself with the occasional marathon or gran fondo type event. I like the feel of zipping the whole day but I am not a racer. I like to go fast downhill but appreciate an extra bit of stability over twitchiness to feel safe and relaxed while doing it. I sit reasonably sporty but not aero-aggressive. I like a good looking bike but I don't like a chimney of spacers ;-). I like the Look so much better than my previous BMC Teammachine and I feel like I'd like the new Ribble as well. Not for Gravel though. I have a Gravel bike that clears 45-50mm tires. 38mm may be a commuter size but makes for a pretty poor gravel experience in my experience.
38 maxi ramblers will cope with all but rock gardens at 40 psi. the issue i have with this frame is the likely lack of reinforcement of carbon where required to cope with stones flicking up into the carbon and heavy impacts
If I lived in UK I’d be running minimum 35 tyres on a normal road bike because the roads are so rough
Yeah, unless you live here, people won't understand. Potholed, gravel strewn, pitted, and that is often the main roads. It's even worse on rural/ country roads...
30’s are fine. Not many people running super wide tyres that I see out and about in the Cotswolds.
I’ll tell you who it’s for - people like me. I actually currently own the Venon Evo and it’s a great bike for what I want.
Now in the summer I mostly ride full race bikes, I do some road racing, road bike time trials, fast chain gangs etc, currently I’m riding a new Supersix Evo for this. But in the winter in the UK the roads are crappy and rough, and very wet. Really you need a bike that takes mudguards and also bigger road tyres like 32mm+ with guards to give you more protection from unseen potholes etc. However if you are a performance focused rider you still want something that feels fast and enjoyable and is not much of a disadvantage to the guys who are still using their race bikes in winter.
I also do ultra endurance races, and ultimately that is where these bikes really fit best. Aero matters when you are riding 1000+ miles, over a long course the savings can really make a difference and can save energy as well as getting you there a bit faster. You want the larger tyres for comfort when riding 16-20 hours a day, and need a slightly more relaxed geometry than your race bike to reflect the long hours in the saddle. Often ultra road races include short gravel sections - not enough to warrant using a gravel bike and gravel tyres, but too much for a race bike on 28mm.
You are confusing yourselves by seeing this as a “light gravel” bike, it’s not. It’s a full road bike that just won’t feel totally out of its depth if you find yourself on a short gravel section or a really rough crappy road. It doesn’t need bigger tyre clearance, if you are spending substantial amounts of time on gravel there are other bikes for that.
So i now have 2 wheelsets for my trek checkpoint sl6 gravel bike, 1 has 42mm tyres other 30mm tyres. More relaxed comfy and slower making training harder.
Hop on my road bike with 56mm and 65mm deep wheels to race and i feel like a monster, boosts my confidence.
This way i have less body aches then riding my aggressive road bike all the time.
Maybe I'm oversimplifying, but... isn't this an aero endurance bike? Slightly heavier but more aero (so, the same aero vs weight discussion as during the previous gen of road bikes, but in the endurance context now).
This bike is not for racers, it's for the endurance public (that should be broader IMO) that now has a slightly heavier but more aero option.
It’s not even slightly heavier, the weight is average in the endurance bike market
Thanks for the double show this week fellas, very entertaining.
Ok...I have watching this type of bike come about into the market. My .02 cents...this is what the modern road bike will become for most riders. You may quote me.
It's what I would buy...an older rider who does not race yet appreciates the modern benefits of tech advances: NOT a rolling couch made for MAMILS with too much 'soft tissue opposition', yet not a long and low, short, race machine. Aero touches. Semi-integrated is fine (not through the stem/bars) Room for 38s...plenty...I will run 30 or 32s on wide carbon rims at 40-50mm deep. Handling that is just slightly more calm...lower BB...5mms at the stays...it adds up yet still is gratifying when prodded a bit and tossed into a lovely, fast corner.
Like my Time ADHX, actually, but with aero chops and less frame weight.
Oh, and All Road is such a strange word to pin down, but Chris got it right when he was talking about country lanes, etc. It is not, for most people, a gravel bike, although there are places in the US where it could be. The guys going to 2.0/2.1 29er tires, etc,...that is pretty niche and is event specific for them. It's not always the fastest tire for every course if speed is really the focus.
Great discussion though.
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You boys may be overthinking the Ribble bike - they’ve solve the Endurance SL Disc for a few years despite it being criticised for a low long race geometry
They’ve just fixed their endurance bike offering….🎉
OMG! think Coyle just brought up Gravel tire width, unprovoked.
Got single-sided Favero Pro MX pedals for my road bike a few months ago. Coming from never having had a power meter before absolutely love them. Solid engineering, great app too.
The strange thing about Ribble geometry, is their bike called Endurance doesn’t have endurance geometry.
So the slower guy saves more time with the aero improvements (so long as he's not THAT much slower) but he saves a smaller PERCENTAGE of his time than the fast guy. Helps it make sense if you think of it that way.
I think this bike is a bit of an odd mismash. But I will say, that a bike with race bike features but a slightly less aggressive fit is actually a really good idea, and most guys on race bikes could actually use this. Heck, most pros on SL8s seem to have a spacer or two under the stem now. Chris talking about the guy who is a pretty quick rider, still moves quick on a bike, but works at a desk and he can't quite get on with the pro bike fit probably actually suits a lot of the people with the income to buy these nice bikes. I wish my SL6 had 30mm more stack so I could run it without spacers. I'll never be flexible enough to need it lower than that. So I think the geo is moving in the right direction for sure.
Call it a GT bike - perfect analogy.
Only if it has triple triangles
I've noticed in recent episodes that the light setup changed, really loving it!
If you look at the Dogma F, which is the race bike from Pinarello ridden by the pros, it also has stack and reach figures in endurance bike territory (varies a bit with the sizes, but at least in the bigger sizes). For my bike fit those stack/reach figures are a lot better, just unfortunately the dogma not for my wallet. I wish there were a lot more aero optimized bikes out there with higher stack... You can still be fast even if you're not extremely flexible. And higher stack doesnt mean you cant get into an aero position. It also highly depends on your body proportions.
In the uk we have either ‘gravel’ which is more suitable for xc mtb generally in limestone country with big rocks or the all road gravel which is shit farm roads with mud and bits of grass maybe loads of thorns. What we don’t have much of is the us miles of gravel roads that suit these 50mm tyres and stuff
So I have a gravel bike that I’ve been racing in local club gravel events for a few seasons now in the States. Running Pathfinder Pro’s in 47mm. I had a Chris King road wheelset built for me with GP5000 AS TR in 700x35. I use the King wheelset for training and club road group rides.
I am the OG All-Road, bitches.
I have a road bike that I race only twice a year for a few seasons now in the States. I wash it once every week. I have a stock hub in my wheelset not specifically built for me. I run the fastest tires BRR tells me even though I rarely race. I use the Aero wheelset for all my rides that don't include fast road groups.
I am the original bitch, OG.
@@8rk 😅😂🤣
I love some e-assistance on my commuter, just a front-hub Green Zone Bikes conversion kit on an alloy 26" mountain bike. And a true e-bike for the road would be even better, great for safety through big intersections and sketchy/high traffic stretches and the like. And it would be interesting to hear why those e-road bikes are popular in Europe, adventures or commuting or everything. And I have to say my e-bike kit has helped me beat the time clock a time or two, not as fast as i used to be, lol.
This is why the UK invented hill climb season - so there was something fun to do in Sept/Oct
Climbing hills doesn't sound like fun - descending is.........
Chapter2 sells a 0+ seatpost that you could have benefited from Chris
That allroad looks like a bmc roadmachine
I was thinking the same.
Oh yeh, good call
Re: end of season goals. You guys mentioned a few weeks ago about no longer pandering to the notion that not everyone is seeking performance gains. Same can be said for weight loss and w/kg gains. No need to tiptoe around as though “it’s ok for me to lose want to lose weight, but everyone else be careful of an eating disorder.” It’s ok. This is a safe space among friends. Would actually love to hear a segment on weight loss/maintenance without all the hemming and hawing, and probably *most* others would too.
That Ribble would be better for a much larger group of riders than an equivalent race bike which is designed for super flexible pro athletes.
1:26:24 I think the problem with “run clubbers” getting injured is the same with all older fitness enthusiasts - doing too much too soon, and people underrate running, it’s also very easy to get started, in the wrong way, terrible shoes etc. With cycling in your 20s or 30s, your lungs will give out before you hurt your back or sprain anything else-
And 30-40km a week is very little training for people training for a marathon at any level especially if you plan finishing alive or in one piece
You should've been comparing the Tarmac SL8 in a 56 to a Medium/Large in Giant and Medium Canyon sizes as those are closer to a 56. Missed the mark on making a useful comparison
Obed Bikes in the US has also released an All-road Aero Endurance bike, the RVR. It looks fairly similar to the Ribble.
Really enjoyed the training chat.
E-road bikes a popular in Tassie! Trek Domane+, Bianchi e-Aria / e-allroad & Orbea Gain’s are pretty popular! Loads of options in terms of spec and price too!!
The Ostro Vam is not faster than the Dogma F, that was the Factor One. Tour hasn't Tested Ostro Vam.
Factor One is 205 Watts
Dogma F is 208 Watts and 205 Watts on a Zipp NSW
The Ostro is faster than the Dogma F in the latest Cycling News wind tunnel test.
@@davidfidler6449 Nah it's not the Dogma had not been tested with the correct setup
The guy choosing between a dogma and an ostro wanting to do tts should get an aero road. Canyon do a clip on aero bar that would transform the bike for him and make it a better tt bike. Much better value too.
If you add clip on bars you will be competing in a category against full TT bikes. These days many TTs have a road bike category, where clip on bars are not allowed
20-30k a week is like 3 hours of running. If you’re getting that badly injured off 3 hours of running… something has gone wrong. Hilariously tho the solution for these people is probably to supplement their training with riding
Oh, we are back to the who the hell are the sensible bikes for :)
You go as deep as you can for as long as you can, to hold on to that front group. Truer words were never spoken. Welcome to Cyclocross country
As someone who frequents both, Run club is a better social environment than cycle meets. If you are not in the 'group' it's very hard to break in, it's all very hyper type A. I know since I travel and rock up to a lot of new cycle meets where I'm the outsider. If you don't show dominance by pulling on the front from the get go, some local punter will try to gutter you. Jesse is also correct about the age and sexual diversity. If you want to meet women under 30 go to run club.
Call the category that will fit the Ribble "Club Style". For riders doing club group rides, maybe a fondo.
Seems like its the one bike to rule them all, commute a couple of miles in to work, maybe rolling over a multiuse gravel path on the way there, then chuck in quicker wheels and remove mudguards on the weekend ;)
Chris, you keep saying how the Chapter2 Koko has endurance geometry, short reach and high stack......the reach is shorter(ish) but the stack is way lower than a Canyon Aeroad. Tarmac SL8 and the Cervelo S5.......in a size Small, or 52 Tarmac or 51 S5/ XS Aeroad.
I think the main issue he had with it was the slack seat angle which is common on endurance bikes. He couldn’t get far enough over the BB. But that would also make the bike effectively longer
I might be the only person in the world who had issues with the assioma pro mx-2 pedals as everyone sells them as the best most reliable pedals as it would be impossible for them to stop working. For me the left pedal stop transmitting data from the second ride 45 minutes into the ride and would work again only after connecting it to the power supply. This went on for a few more times until it stop working completely. Favero customer service is good although a little slow with the response but they have replaced it so no issues. However just be aware there is no product that is 100% reliable although youtubers make it often sound like that.
In the UK now Alroad bikes are the best option due the xxxx roads we have now. I have no interest in gravel. I used to race and I own a TCR which I love but when I decided to upgrade to disc I went with a Canyon Endurace. I use the TCR for when I want to pin my ears back for a few hours. But if im doing a long ride which is sub 30kph the Endrace is perfect. Love the show.
In canada because we are out of cycling november to april, cross country skiing is an amazing crossover training sport... I can't imagine having access to roads you could ride all year probably similar to chris can't imagine not being able to ride all year.
I like the idea of a somewhat relaxed geometry that is in every other way like a Tarmac etc. I don’t want it to be partly gravel or even close. I run 42 or 45 on my gravel bike. I don’t want goofy mudguard mounts, storage chambers, suspension, or anything like that. I want aero tube profiles and reasonably light. I don't want it to look different at first glance from bikes younger people race on. Perhaps only a slighty taller head tube (allowing for fewer spacers). This comes close. Just a few gimicks I could do without. Jesse exactly described what I want.
@31:41 Jesse sums up the Ribble perfectly.
@32:16 Chris makes an excellent point.
I’m calling it, one day we’ll be getting tt bikes with 40mm tyre clearance
Or back to 23mm
Gravel TT bikes. Fully serious 😉
Suspension on road bikes is another thing i would expect to see in 10-15 years. Road bikes will be looked at more like performance cars/ motorcycles considering the speeds of pro pelotons and the prices
we’ll see road bikes with clearance up to 38 in less than 10 years
@@hail_sagan2830 oh wow gravel bikes haha
Keen to see the 2024 factor ostro vam tested in a wind tunnel by TOUR soon…new bottle cages and deeeeeep front section look promising and with the right parts easily under 6.9kg
Regarding the one bike to do it all, what’s missing is the second wheel set all set up. If that was bundled into the deal, it would definitely be the complete package. Probably want a minimum 45mm tyre option.
I think you have to choose ML in the giant defy to get comparable results. And medium in the aeroad
I’m 42 years old and I race, but I do have a short torso and always have to run a 90mm stem and all bike fitters have prescribed me a endurance bike but I won’t do it as I want a fast bike, this Ribble looks great for me if I had the money
I think you guys are a bit out of touch with lower level riders
If Canyon pricing is agressive for you, maybe have a look at Cube. Just released new models and dropped prices vs the older models.
Jessie, you will also be in Lorne for Amy's in a fortnight. (Cya there for my 12th, with a golden "Ridden All Events Gold Rider" tag, too.)
Please explain how your bike & kit set-up will be adjusted from your shorter races?
How will you have enough H20, electrolytes & 'food' if you plan NOT to stop at any feed-zones, or have roadside support?
If you dare, what time are you aiming for yourself at Amy's?
Eating and drinking are both, not, aero activities, & there is that 16% pinch as well. A Bicycling mag (US) article from years ago set up a velodrome session (pre bike windtunnel use), that meaningfully measured the time losses just from biden drinking.
The more who attend this year, the more qualifiers we will have there for 'Team Oz'. Have you talked or thought about this year's Amy's top 25% qualification opportunity for next year's GF worlds to be held in Lorne next Oct, '25?
With 13 months until a WCs on home soil, that's a pretty good period to prepare for a 122km race with almost 2,000m of climbing.
What bike will you think of building for yourself & the show for your Oct '25 attempt/effort/team participation? Currently, the UCI checks only saddle nose and the 'handlebar box' at GF WC events, not frames, not wheels, I checked directly with Erwin Vervecken.
What will you change for yourself, and your coaching clients who qualified, if attending the UCI's GF WCs next year? Perth held it in '16, it could be ages before it comes back home again, but there are age groups, too. Brisbane GF WCs in '32, ummmm, no, that'll be a different race.
Always love the show, keep up the great work. Just my opinion....the discussion of the Ribble was worth about 10 minutes, not 30 minutes.
Excellent training chat, more please.
Less Ribble.
It’s not for “slower riders” as you suggest - it’s best suited to fast riders who are wanting to do long distance events, and long winter training rides in crappy weather where they don’t want to use their summer race bike.
you guys come at this from a road rider's perspective. I am predominantly a mtb rider who dabbles in road and gravel.
an MTB gets a gravel bike he may go down the road of something burlier running 50's (e.g. me and my salsa cutthroat). this is a good choice because it allows for bikepacking and adventure riding. however suddenly if i had an itch to do road... the ribble is exactly what i'd want. the ability to have 38s means i can jump on a bit of dirt to connection sections of tarmac... have 38s means i can run tubeless more confidently.
as a result i have a niner rlt 9 from 2014 which is a very. similar concept to the ribble granted i am running 40's but I am quite tempted to downgrade the tyres to mid 30s. it came stock with 35s.
this ribble isn't a totally new concept its been done before and consumers are finally coming back round to it.
Regarding the Ribble bike: I actually think this is an answer for a much larger demographic of people we've made it out to be. Marketing in the cycling industry has always encouraged its culture and audience to romanticise the concept of "racing and sport" for all of the pros and cons to that there may be, but in reality not everyone or anyone can have the fitness, flexibility or time devotion towards cycling to fully embrace what the marketing and culture makes it need to be, in summary everyone wants to be a race cyclist but arent flexible enough to do it: this is a very conscious and aware product that caters to that large demographic, even though it may seem niche, im confident thats one of the largest demographics of people in cycling: people who want to be racers but aren't.
I really like the ribble. It has good enough clearance for a comfy ride. Comes in at a fair price. And probably a good jack of all trades (master of none) bike which I think is fine for all but the most competitive of riders.
Those Mavic wheels are really good for gravel - not light but excellent ride quality off-road
The Ribble is no good for a heavier rider as max weight for bike and rider is 100kg, so 91 kg max for a rider.
This is a perfect bike for ultra endurance, Audax as well as anybody doing long miles. Most people should be riding a bike like this. Very people really need an aggressive road bike. The wheels are shit though. It’s a great looking bike but putting 21 mm internal Mavic wheels ruins the bike.
I don't understand how these bikes are so fkin expensive, yet manufacturers want you to buy a 'new' improved type, at least, twice a year? When will that spiral madness STOP?
Where are they insisting you buy 2 bikes a year? Where is anyone doing anything other than innovating and trying to sell a product?
@@dh7314 You sound like the village's sole dentist.
Solid!!
If you're a KOM sprinter, you want a stuff bb. Stop it with the fleck Factor... The Venge is comfortable for climbing. The SL* is eve far more comfortable and still relatively stiff.
As an "Angus Wilson", appreciate the call out. Its a weird space, industry wise.