Rafed actually doesn't follow Khamenei if he says this about Ismaili Shia. In Iran, the Ismailis are considered Muslims as per the constitution of Iran!
I been following Khalil Andani for a long time now ! Some of his videos! Are really so informative that even the best of the best Ismaili may not be aware of the things he talk in his videos. Sometimes it feels like except Ismaili - everyone is on wrong path!!
Bravo! Thank you for all your work, Dr. Andani! Do you know if Alevi-Bektashis are also included as Shi'i Muslims by Ayatollah Khomeini or other Ayatollahs?
Yes they are shia Muslims Ayatollah Khomeini considers them Muslim But they have some mistakes in term of adherence to the daily prayers , and similar religious obligations
Another important issue is that imitation is not allowed in religion, the owner of the religion and its commentator and interprtator is only Imam of the time, not the authority of imitation, nor any Ayatollah not anyone else. We, as Shia Imami Ismaili Muslims, are leading by a living and present Imam from the direct descendants of the Prophet through Hazrat Ali (a.s) and Bibi Fatima Zahra (s.a). Now I strongly say that believing in Imamat is one of the main Principal not the type of worship or pray which in Persian called Namaz! The praying is sub-subject & it must be done according to the guidance of Imam of the time as the Real Teacher & Interpretator of Quran. Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h) said: Ali is with Qur'an & Qur'an is with Ali. In each time, the Imam of the time is considered as Ali. For example during the Imamat of Hazrat Mawlana Hussain the hadith of Prophet can be like this: Hussain is with Qur'an & Qur'an is with Hussain... and like this it continues... So Alhmadulellah the Shia Imami Ismaili are Muslims & they are not 6 imamis as Ayatullah Sistani doesn't know properly in this specific matter of knowing the lineage of ismaili imamat but they have 49th imam now among themselves. Note: There are different branches of Ismaili throughout history & all the division was because of Who Was The Lawful & Rightful Imam! So we have Ismaili who don't believe any imam after Ismail ibn Jafar-e Sadeq. We have Ismailis who believe after Ismail ibn Jafar-e Sadeq, Muhammad ibn Ismail is the last imam & they called him Mahdi Mawood!! Continuing throughout history at the time of 18th Ismaili Muslims Imama there was another division: 1) Nizari Ismaili Muslims 2) Mustalawiyah Ismaili And continuing like this Till now as mentioned, the only Shia community which lead by a hereditary imam who is directe descendant of Hazrat Ali, is Nizari Ismaili Muslims. Some people call themselves Muslims but don't know what exactly they are talking about. Here I mean those who are out of proper education, understanding & knowledge, and just living on surfaces!!! This must be clear for once & for ever that Shia Ismaili Nizari Ismailis Are Muslims. So, please respect it & these comments to be considered as information not forcing of Idea or belief.
What is "funny" for this Mr Rafed is that many sunnis dont believe Shia twelvers are muslims. Life among humans is amazing, above all with those who hate others who have not done anything wrong to others.
It's not hard to talk against Ismailism. This Twelver is maybe not very clever. Ismailis don't have Salah, don't have fasting, don't have a concept of halal slaughter, don't have a concept of riba, and their shahada says "Ali is Allah". And their Aga Khan is an adulterer. Case closed.
@@Krumpina1029tell me about your sect, I'll give you facts about yours. I don't need to defend my Imam of the time.❤️ The world knows him, Allah Knows him.
I would also like to provide an answer regarding the question raised by Ali Khamenei, who is both the leader of Iran and the source of imitation for some of the 12th century: According to the decision of the meeting of Oman in 2005 in Jordan, no one has the right to issue a fatwa and all the participants' representatives from 8 religions are all Muslims. This is the first reason
As a twelver shia i feel no embarrassment that mr.rafed was wrong if he was commiting takfir of ismailis ( although i am bit skeptic if he is really a twelver) .and he is wrong because of reasons given by khalil andani and his advise was correct that the twelvers layman shouldn't do takfir and let this responsibility in hands of marja . Is there any other debate between twelver and ismaili scholar on imamah or something else ? I think it would be interesting.
Now this person does not know what he is talking about. The only Shia Muslim community that has a present and living imam at the head of its affairs is the Ismaili Imami Shia of Nizari Agakhani. Unfortunately, such people consider their Shiite brothers as non-Muslims due to their ignorance and lack of awareness, but those who do not accept the words of the Prophet according to the hadith of Saqlain and the historical event of Ghadirakhm regarding the succession of Hazrat Ali, they believe them Muslims! This is the very funny & ridiculous part of the discussion!
The eight religions include the following religions that were mentioned in the previous comment: 1) Hanafi Sunni 2) Maliki Sunni 3) Hanbali Sunni 4) Shafi'i Sunni 5) Twelver Shia 6) Ismaili Shia 7) Zaidiyyah Shia and the eighth one, if I am not mistaken, is Abadiyyah. The followers of these religions are all Muslims.
Ismailis don't even have Salah. They have their own prayer which is 3 combined into 2. Once in the morning and 2 combined in the evening. No daytime prayer. No concept of halal slaughter. No rules on zina. They say publicly that alcohol is forbidden, but internally they don't care about alcohol and most drink. This has little connection to Islam. It is set up to exploit people for money. And many people who give the cult leader their money believe he is god on earth.
I think Khalil andani should ask the question to ayatola, we, 12ers, need to get answers from karim. Why does he not lead prayers. Why does he call himself Muslim? All Muslim follow the 5 pillars, if not not muslims
Yes there are twelver salafies like Rafed who doesnt read their own text and doesnt follow their own Marajehas. Its Rafed who is being dishonest. Also when your own Marjas call us Muslims, how can Rafed come and Takfir all the Ismailis? If anything, you should stop Rafed being a Hypocrite.
@@Mr14994 I am not Muslim, and don't care about those schools! I only care about one thing: is Andani supports both Sunni and Shia + twelvers of the Islamic Republic of Iran and Lebanon or is he a hater and divider of Muslims like Jake and the Sunni who claim that they're not Muslims. He proved that he is just like them a Shia hater, so I unsuscribe
As a twelver, we do not claim Rafed, i think this video is Psyop to create diversion among twelvers and Nizaris I would further add that rafed himself isnt a twelver or even a muslim given his condescending tone and insulting attitude i would assume he is just a paid actor here to insult both nizaris and twelvers
These people have absolutely no problem with Muslims not fasting Ramadan, as long as they're following a fatwa from "trusted Ulama", but they call Ismailis ((kuffar)) for following the imam as they follow their Ulama!
This person kh.. used to hang his citizens from cranes until they suffocated until they died after a period of up to 20 minutes just because he was not considered the legitimate caliph. So what is the importance of his acknowledgment that a particular religious group is developing to Islam or not?
You sunis are follow quran amd sunah rightvif so then why you people kill people ,then why your moulvies rap children who come masjid to read quran, why you people do all wrong things which are prohibited in islam only you sunis think prayer 5time a day means you are musk m no you are shayaiteens munafiqeens raps ,scamers killers,rapiest etc sorry to say you sunis are not even humans you peoples doys and cow who blam ismailis are non muslim Alhamdulilallah we follow quran teaching and teaching of islam yazid suni logn munafiqeen
@@barz404 They perform Salah on coassions. They believe there are two world one is Zaahir for Muslims and other is Batin for Momineens. It’s a complicated subject for an average person.
It’s very interesting to learn what the Ismaaeelis believe in our times, however there is a consensus between Sunni and Shia that Ismaaeelis are not Muslims! To deny the Hajj and Salah is definitely kufr ! When you reject the obligation of these things you reject the Quran and the one who received it for us from Allah Muhammad عليه الصلاة والسلام and therefore you nullify the second half of your Shahadah! You cannot enter Islam thereafter by just reciting the Shahadah again! Rather you must recite it and add to it the affirmation of all the things that were previously rejected! Anyone who declares another Muslim after explicitly rejecting the obligation of these is also subject to the same and so it matters not what fulaan or Fulaan Scholar says because it’s based on clear principles and conditions and not the whims of others! As interesting as the Ismaeelis are they are 100% not Muslim just the way Iblis became Shaitan and banished from the assembly of Angels and cursed all because he rejected the obligation of prostration to Adam عليه السلام
Here rafed was 100% right cuz neither ismailis believe in onenees of God not nor they belive in any of the usools of din .... They also refer to imam jaffer as kazzab ( a liar )... So rafed is still true in his stance 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Wonderful work Dr. Khalil! As an Ismaili from Badakhshan, I am so proud of you the work that you are doing. May Mawla bless you.
Rafed actually doesn't follow Khamenei if he says this about Ismaili Shia. In Iran, the Ismailis are considered Muslims as per the constitution of Iran!
Need more of this sir! Especially an explanation of Ismaili neoplatonism and Ismaili view on revelation. Plz 🙏 sir
Truuuu!! We need more explanation on neoplatonism and esoteric interpretation of revelation in Ismaili philosophy
I been following Khalil Andani for a long time now ! Some of his videos! Are really so informative that even the best of the best Ismaili may not be aware of the things he talk in his videos. Sometimes it feels like except Ismaili - everyone is on wrong path!!
This was hilarious. Thanks Dr. Adnani
Good for you Professor ANDANI
Awesome, professor!!!
Loved it❤
Bravo! Thank you for all your work, Dr. Andani! Do you know if Alevi-Bektashis are also included as Shi'i Muslims by Ayatollah Khomeini or other Ayatollahs?
They should.
I looked into it and yes, Ayatollah Khomeini did declare Alevis as Muslims in the 1970s.
@@ChefbyMistake
Yes they are shia Muslims
Ayatollah Khomeini considers them Muslim
But they have some mistakes in term of adherence to the daily prayers , and similar religious obligations
Good job professor andani really good answers but unfortunately their hearts are full of hate and they will never accept their wrong ideas
Hardly convincing. The beliefs and practices of modern-day Ismailis seem to be well outside the fold of orthodox Islam.
Another important issue is that imitation is not allowed in religion, the owner of the religion and its commentator and interprtator is only Imam of the time, not the authority of imitation, nor any Ayatollah not anyone else.
We, as Shia Imami Ismaili Muslims, are leading by a living and present Imam from the direct descendants of the Prophet through Hazrat Ali (a.s) and Bibi Fatima Zahra (s.a).
Now I strongly say that believing in Imamat is one of the main Principal not the type of worship or pray which in Persian called Namaz!
The praying is sub-subject & it must be done according to the guidance of Imam of the time as the Real Teacher & Interpretator of Quran.
Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h) said:
Ali is with Qur'an & Qur'an is with Ali.
In each time, the Imam of the time is considered as Ali.
For example during the Imamat of Hazrat Mawlana Hussain the hadith of Prophet can be like this:
Hussain is with Qur'an & Qur'an is with Hussain... and like this it continues...
So Alhmadulellah the Shia Imami Ismaili are Muslims & they are not 6 imamis as Ayatullah Sistani doesn't know properly in this specific matter of knowing the lineage of ismaili imamat but they have 49th imam now among themselves.
Note: There are different branches of Ismaili throughout history & all the division was because of Who Was The Lawful & Rightful Imam! So we have Ismaili who don't believe any imam after Ismail ibn Jafar-e Sadeq.
We have Ismailis who believe after Ismail ibn Jafar-e Sadeq, Muhammad ibn Ismail is the last imam & they called him Mahdi Mawood!!
Continuing throughout history at the time of 18th Ismaili Muslims Imama there was another division:
1) Nizari Ismaili Muslims
2) Mustalawiyah Ismaili
And continuing like this
Till now as mentioned, the only Shia community which lead by a hereditary imam who is directe descendant of Hazrat Ali, is Nizari Ismaili Muslims.
Some people call themselves Muslims but don't know what exactly they are talking about. Here I mean those who are out of proper education, understanding & knowledge, and just living on surfaces!!!
This must be clear for once & for ever that Shia Ismaili Nizari Ismailis Are Muslims.
So, please respect it & these comments to be considered as information not forcing of Idea or belief.
yap yap, prayer is obligatory
What is "funny" for this Mr Rafed is that many sunnis dont believe Shia twelvers are muslims.
Life among humans is amazing, above all with those who hate others who have not done anything wrong to others.
MARJA SHOPPING 😂😂
Great work sir ❤
Great Work Khalil, an absolute treat to watch!
Made my day…
huh a shia white woman ?
No one has the right to declare any Muslim non Muslim only god decide who is Muslim
THANK YOU SIR ... For your support for Ismaili and Islam at all
Much more appreciated Dr.Actually there is a competition between deep knowledge and unlogical molvisim.
Khalil is very smart. He has knowledge and wisdom to trap people who talks against ismailism. He is so brilliant. So proud of him♥️
It's not hard to talk against Ismailism. This Twelver is maybe not very clever. Ismailis don't have Salah, don't have fasting, don't have a concept of halal slaughter, don't have a concept of riba, and their shahada says "Ali is Allah". And their Aga Khan is an adulterer. Case closed.
@@Krumpina1029 what a lame statement.
@@LaughingJoystick23
I see you aren't attempting to defend adultery.
@@Krumpina1029tell me about your sect, I'll give you facts about yours. I don't need to defend my Imam of the time.❤️ The world knows him, Allah Knows him.
@@Krumpina1029looks like you are twelver, but let me confirm first. Then I will start like the way Khalil dest.ryoed
I would also like to provide an answer regarding the question raised by Ali Khamenei, who is both the leader of Iran and the source of imitation for some of the 12th century: According to the decision of the meeting of Oman in 2005 in Jordan, no one has the right to issue a fatwa and all the participants' representatives from 8 religions are all Muslims. This is the first reason
Twelvers and Ismailis are Iron brothers ❤
As a twelver shia i feel no embarrassment that mr.rafed was wrong if he was commiting takfir of ismailis ( although i am bit skeptic if he is really a twelver) .and he is wrong because of reasons given by khalil andani and his advise was correct that the twelvers layman shouldn't do takfir and let this responsibility in hands of marja .
Is there any other debate between twelver and ismaili scholar on imamah or something else ? I think it would be interesting.
I don’t believe on any religion at all.
But I enjoyed this video! 😄👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼
Now this person does not know what he is talking about. The only Shia Muslim community that has a present and living imam at the head of its affairs is the Ismaili Imami Shia of Nizari Agakhani. Unfortunately, such people consider their Shiite brothers as non-Muslims due to their ignorance and lack of awareness, but those who do not accept the words of the Prophet according to the hadith of Saqlain and the historical event of Ghadirakhm regarding the succession of Hazrat Ali, they believe them Muslims! This is the very funny & ridiculous part of the discussion!
This is the problem of not following the Quran and Sunnah and rely on relying on people's opinions.
And also an evidence why ijmah is superior to following sole, isolated authorities.
Well it turns out that rafed is no different from jake. Thought he is unlike the wahabi tafiris but i was wrong
Thanks Khalil, you are love brother ❣️
Rafed needs to go Marja shopping😂😂😂
Bravo Dr. Andani
The eight religions include the following religions that were mentioned in the previous comment:
1) Hanafi Sunni
2) Maliki Sunni
3) Hanbali Sunni
4) Shafi'i Sunni
5) Twelver Shia
6) Ismaili Shia
7) Zaidiyyah Shia and the eighth one, if I am not mistaken, is Abadiyyah. The followers of these religions are all Muslims.
This is wrong. The first 4 are the same sect different schools of thoughts!
Ismailis don't even have Salah. They have their own prayer which is 3 combined into 2. Once in the morning and 2 combined in the evening. No daytime prayer. No concept of halal slaughter. No rules on zina. They say publicly that alcohol is forbidden, but internally they don't care about alcohol and most drink. This has little connection to Islam. It is set up to exploit people for money. And many people who give the cult leader their money believe he is god on earth.
Marja shopping 😂
Muhammad. Rafed is asking if ayatollah is bribed to release a fatwa declaring Ismaili as Muslim, I didn't know Ayatollahs can be bribed,
I think Khalil andani should ask the question to ayatola, we, 12ers, need to get answers from karim. Why does he not lead prayers. Why does he call himself Muslim? All Muslim follow the 5 pillars, if not not muslims
Maula and Allah bless you khalil 💚❤️💚
Where we can find the full discussion if it’s available?
🇷🇺☦🤝☪️🇮🇷That's right! That guy is an embarrassment to Twelvers💁
Yes there are twelver salafies like Rafed who doesnt read their own text and doesnt follow their own Marajehas. Its Rafed who is being dishonest. Also when your own Marjas call us Muslims, how can Rafed come and Takfir all the Ismailis? If anything, you should stop Rafed being a Hypocrite.
No love lost
Agha jawab naqvi is a true scholar amongst you ,who praises Ismaili in his several discourses ,you can unsuscribe him too ,
@@Mr14994 I am not Muslim, and don't care about those schools! I only care about one thing: is Andani supports both Sunni and Shia + twelvers of the Islamic Republic of Iran and Lebanon or is he a hater and divider of Muslims like Jake and the Sunni who claim that they're not Muslims. He proved that he is just like them a Shia hater, so I unsuscribe
You are a Muslim you make this ID for portraying yourself as a Russian.@@EasternRomeOrthodoxy
Great job Dr Andani. You are a shinning example of the Ismailis!!!
What this programme showed me is how important education is. These so called clerics are an albatross around the people’s neck .
Dr.Khalil, I love you ❤!!!
Ya Zahra marja shopper takfir somebody?!
‘Ahl al ijtihad will not be redeemed’
-mulla fayz kashani (r.a)
As a twelver, we do not claim Rafed, i think this video is Psyop to create diversion among twelvers and Nizaris
I would further add that rafed himself isnt a twelver or even a muslim given his condescending tone and insulting attitude i would assume he is just a paid actor here to insult both nizaris and twelvers
Excellent
bRUH
Keep it up
Well done Khalil!!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
These people have absolutely no problem with Muslims not fasting Ramadan, as long as they're following a fatwa from "trusted Ulama", but they call Ismailis ((kuffar)) for following the imam as they follow their Ulama!
This person kh.. used to hang his citizens from cranes until they suffocated until they died after a period of up to 20 minutes just because he was not considered the legitimate caliph. So what is the importance of his acknowledgment that a particular religious group is developing to Islam or not?
What’s the point of being Muslim if ur not going to follow the pillars of Islam ?! Especially not praying
You sunis are follow quran amd sunah rightvif so then why you people kill people ,then why your moulvies rap children who come masjid to read quran, why you people do all wrong things which are prohibited in islam only you sunis think prayer 5time a day means you are musk m no you are shayaiteens munafiqeens raps ,scamers killers,rapiest etc sorry to say you sunis are not even humans you peoples doys and cow who blam ismailis are non muslim Alhamdulilallah we follow quran teaching and teaching of islam yazid suni logn munafiqeen
No
He sounds quite arrogant and disrespectful, but the way you have shut his dumb mind up is just hilarious.
If the aga Khan says ismailis are not muslims will you change your opinion
Why would he do that?😂 His ancestors are the reason why Islam is present today. His ancestors are the reason why Allah is known.
@@sherry-10zyou sla.pped brother.😁 He doesnt know who shah Karim Al Hussaini is♥️
ISMAILIS ARE NOT MUSLIMS. HOW DO YOU NOT OBSERVE SALAT AND PERFORM HAJJ BELIEVE IN THE QURAN AND SUNNAH AND STILL CALL YOURSELF A MUSLIM?!?!?
You actually don’t have the right to decide who is Muslim or who is not! Ismailis , quranist all Muslims. You fanatics are not own the religion
Ismailis do the both.
do what both exactly? they DO NOT perform salaat like the muslims nor like the prophet s.a.w@@ChefbyMistake
@@barz404 They perform Salah on coassions. They believe there are two world one is Zaahir for Muslims and other is Batin for Momineens. It’s a complicated subject for an average person.
@@ChefbyMistake did the prophet pbuh do both? If he did please elaborate
Lol he is the guy from clubhouse..now even twelvers ur friends on clubhouse call you kaafir..
It’s very interesting to learn what the Ismaaeelis believe in our times, however there is a consensus between Sunni and Shia that Ismaaeelis are not Muslims!
To deny the Hajj and Salah is definitely kufr ! When you reject the obligation of these things you reject the Quran and the one who received it for us from Allah Muhammad عليه الصلاة والسلام and therefore you nullify the second half of your Shahadah! You cannot enter Islam thereafter by just reciting the Shahadah again! Rather you must recite it and add to it the affirmation of all the things that were previously rejected!
Anyone who declares another Muslim after explicitly rejecting the obligation of these is also subject to the same and so it matters not what fulaan or Fulaan Scholar says because it’s based on clear principles and conditions and not the whims of others!
As interesting as the Ismaeelis are they are 100% not Muslim just the way Iblis became Shaitan and banished from the assembly of Angels and cursed all because he rejected the obligation of prostration to Adam عليه السلام
Here rafed was 100% right cuz neither ismailis believe in onenees of God not nor they belive in any of the usools of din .... They also refer to imam jaffer as kazzab ( a liar )... So rafed is still true in his stance 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'm neither a twelver nor ismaili but. Seems to me dr. Andani is making Loaded Question Fallacy
Khalil, you deserve taqfir! YOU ARE NOT MUSLIMS!
I don’t believe on any religion at all.
But I enjoyed this video! 😄👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼