"Most of our engineers have no knowledge, interest or skill in engineering"
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- Опубликовано: 14 сен 2016
- On Engineer's day, we bring to light the massive industry in India where lakhs of engineers get churned out with degrees but are not qualified with even elementary engineering skills. "Today there are several colleges that are nothing more than sheds with lecturers who can be equated with a class 3 failed student", says Mohandas Pai, Chairman of Manipal Global Education. Educationist TD Chandrasekhar agrees and explains that due to parental and social pressure, candidates who have no interest or skill in the field of engineering end up being certified as engineers by colleges of extremely low standards. (Audio in Hindi)
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That's why core engineers end up in IT jobs and call centers. Kids are pushed into engineering, even though there is no job market. In other ways, parents and the society in large are spoiling the future of the kids. Anyways thanks a lot for taking up this issue. I hope you keep them for prime time so that more people can see them.
Trueeeeee
My friend is a MCA and she does not knw how to do internet banking
What the f***
This is product of quantity education
@Somesh good Bro Be Confident and Move on 🤗🤗🤗
Thats what happens when you only do theory.
I know some guys who have completed 4 yrs btech CSE and are not able to write "hello world" in c/c++. 😂😂 They proudly say that they love to do their family business instead of being engineer
Of course they may not be very good at writing those programs ...but can u tell me the reason why they should train themselves to get a good job !!! Everybody has their own talents bro ...we don't have that right to judge someone on the basis of these aspects ....and more over people who get involved in business have a good scope of earning more money by which they canead their lives whereas in case of a job ur growth will be like a constant function !!! Just saying !!!!!!
@@mukeshbaratam2095 The point is such people waste resources and increase unnecessary competition in Engineering.
@@nikhilchaudhari140 talking in sense of engineering....that might end up being true.....
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Nowadays a big and beautiful campus, fake placement promises, glamour of nearby localities are enough to fool a student. A bunch of worthless teachers along with the strict rules of university can easily ruin anyone's interest towards Engineering.
Most of the private Engineering collages focus on making money either by collecting fines for unreported leave or for some other silly reasons. They are least bother about the quality of teachers they have.....Moreover they are more concerned about student's recordbooks rather than their record in practicals :(
Quite right. (1) High quality professors educated abroad and (2) quality control of local univs. These two steps can bring change. Please see my comments above.
subrat shri I agree that campus placements should be banned ( except maybe in IITs and NITs)
Bhai Aap mechanichal engineer ho mai apka dukh samajh sakta hu
Where these are the category of people who will start judging our capabilities on the basis of our marks instead of giving us a chance to avail some practical knowledge in regards to the present technology !!!! Sons teachers call a student a failure but I vl consider them as the most successful because they might have failed in college but not in life
Once I took interview of one fresher, with 92% aggregate who can't even make correct English sentences. Cannot write basic "FOR loop code in c."We were told to select candidates who can be trained. I didn't find a single person. There is something wrong with our education system.
For-profit universities with no standards, and locally trained zero-standard professors. These two things have to change.
He must have earned his engineering degree through reservation (aarakshan). The person who is not capable of even completing Bsc with 40-45% in 12th science, becomes Engineer.
Jaggadaku Then how did the particular candidate score 90%+ ?
The point is that that individual scored good points in something not required in the market , that is the point really!
I’m 15 and can write for loop in c. I’m disappointed with Indian system for education. I hate the fact there are too many engineers. People who are not interested pursue it and decrease jobs for the qualified and interested for jobs. I love programming and the logic involved but the amount of engineers disturbs me.
English is just a language not a knowledge
Kabhi aao Maharashtra k local non IIT and NIT colleges me... especially Pvt colleges.....100 ki batch me 1 ya 2 hi dhang k engineers milenge....baaki banking k exam ki taiyari krte hai
sahi h bt banking me v jyada CA wale dekhnge
Abe Indian engineers ko Germany engineers se compare kar rahe ho. Education is free is Germany and the infrastructure of colleges is way better. How can you expect a student to have great practical knowledge when he barely have access to equipments? The college ranking of Indian engineering institutes in the world falls behind mainly due to infrastructure issues.
Its all because of Lack of practical and basic knowledge of everything....
Bharat Ki Awaaz By Ghanshyam Raghav..
What an amazing, relevant topic to discuss! Kudos to you guys, NDTV!
Actually having done mechanical engineering courses abroad I will say this.. our education is not practical based. Meaning in institutions abroad you are not expected to memorise formulas. They are more interested in how you would be applying the formulas. One is allowed to take a 'cheat sheet' in exam. And trust me it is not easy. In India 50 % of energy is wasted in mugging them up. I cannot imagine doing engineering courses again if someone tells me i will have to memorise that again.
Yes I agree with you they keep on teaching useless chapters in maths like differentiation integration which even a engineer dont know were its applied and also subjects like physics and chemistry are highly theoretical.
@@zaiduzzama5942 integral calculus is taught in every engineering college in this world. Also, physics and chemistry are theoretical and also applied everywhere in STEM fields. Engineering is applied physics and applied mathematics and Chem.e. is applied chemistry. None of these things are useless, how are you going to be an engineer when you don't study science subjects?
@@nikhilchaudhari140 ohk but tell me one thing are applying so much of integral calculas when they finally become an engineer? If I tell a civil engineer to build a house for me will he use calculus for making it?my cousin brother completed his civil engineering and unemployed since an year why is 80% of our engineers unemployed?
@@zaiduzzama5942 Integral calculus exists in physics too. It might not be used that commonly among average engineers. Your civil Engineer brother won't use Integral calculus for structural analysis of a building but he will use physics a lot. There are many reasons why engineers are unemployed, Indian education system doesn't focus on practical knowledge. Engineers are overpopulated and competition is at its peak. And Ask your brother how much he really knows about civil engineering before blaming the Engineering field and entire science subjects. One of the most important reasons many engineers don't get jobs is because of the skill gap. It's because most of the indian engineers are very unskilled. Education system, overpopulation, skill gap of passed out engineers is what causes unemployment.
@@nikhilchaudhari140 well,that was meaningful but cant agree that engineers use physics who are from cs it or software branch. I am class 12th mpc student what would
would you guide me to do after 12th?
Thank you so much. This is the best subject to be discussed in the present times. This is the need of the hour.
I have been living in community of 400 apartments in Chennai,full of Indian IT engineers.
Mr Mohandas Pai's remark about engineering colleges being a shed with a third class professor is SO TRUE.
Thank you Mr Ravish and thank you, panelists. I have myself contributed as an observant outsider (non industry) and I feel so validated for all the views that I had expressed earlier. These are the same views being expressed here by the industry experts.
Cruel reality.. I am a mechanical engineer and I agree with your points
Bhai apna no do mai bhi engineering krne ki soch raha hu
Everybody wants to study for GATE without any interest in practical knowledge .
im also a jobless engineer...
Shubham Indora i am leaving engineering before its too late its my 1st semester from iilm cet g. Noida
Ashis bhai konsi engineering kar raha he
Asish Paul iske bad kya karoge??
Trading karo bhai
@@asishpaul2125 konsa branch hai?
so true....many engineers/MCA i know who are resetting password for their US/Europe's client
once again the best and real analysis of today's engineer
wtf. IT is the last option for all the core engineer. They will say bad engineer but they dont say worst LAB quality, loophole in engineering system. If u dont give proper training then how come u expect technically sound engineer..
My cousin also an engineer & he completed his college in 6 years. Six month he did job in Mumbai & left it & took rest for more than 4 years & now working in Saudi Arabia.
Kya karte hai wo
@@shikharpathak7322 plumber ka kam
This is sadly true. I have been in software development for around 6 years, but to see my fellow brothers and sisters disinterested in upcoming techonolgies and bettering themselves not just for the job, but to be a better dev, is rare to see. That said, the less these pressittues lecture us, the better.
Professor and lecturer of the Private college are those which are not getting job in any where because they don't have skill and they become professor or lecturer .How they teach to the student you can understand And the salary for the private college they will give 7 to 12 thousand . So no good student want to become teacher . This is one of the main reason why there is no skill in engineer .
The problem is in syllabus, a little bit of everything always leave students confused, the education system should focus on modern and precise skill building.
Oh how I wish that I could understand this. It seems like a really good subject matter.
Please mention the source of samples i.e. from which institutes these samples have been taken?
even i am civil engineer .most lucid answer to question are our course has 2 day of study ., mugging the topic rather understanding the concept ,no one bother for innovation, .college are basically become the medium of profit generation, the student like us were always in dilemma better we has chosen other career.90 per of student takes engineering either by parental pressure or by friends advice
Well is there any good paying job apart from engineering??? Problem is lack of jobs and education system. And as much i know graduate of btech has better career options than any graduation degree. People are forced to do engineering becoz there are not much decent paying jobs in other feild. For example if u you look foreign country there are vast options which pays good, waiter in abroad get much better wages than a 5year of experience engineer. So solution would be
1: increase quality of education whether it is any college private or public education good be of equal quality if not than college should be shut
2: decide a decent wages for employees so that there wont be much pressure in one field. And it would increase demand and purchasing power
3: improve ease of doing business and make a reform which decreases the effort of person tk get licenses from government
4: improve judiciary
Exactly skills develop not only with bookals but with experience or practise. Government needs to bring or take projects at a large level to employe such engineers. Hiring engineers is the most costly job.
According to me, there use to a duration of "curiosity" among students and that curiosity ends at a certain point of life. That ending is actual retirement. Some people are life long students while some are not. If a student's curiosity ends after driving - he/she may drive uber/ola cabs. If a students curiosity ends after 10 years in a job, either company retires him or he himself takes retirement. It depends on individual.
Indian engineers aren't smart. Majority of the rolling stock for the MRT systems in India is made by foreign companies. The Delhi metro's rolling stock comes from Bombardier and Hyundai. Chennai's stock comes from Alstom and Mumbai's stock comes from China. What are the Indians engineers doing?
Exactly, people who are not interested in teaching are choosing teaching for the sake of survival.
Great. this is the job of journalists.
Why Mr. Chandrasekhar is talking about only IIT, what about other private engineering colleges? Faculty are highly illiterate in many of the mushroomed type colleges. They are rewarding students with 70-80% marks but in actual they are not capable of clearing class 10th Exam though..
This is fact that our country is not producing quality engineer but what are the root cause. There are many points like 1) ease of getting admission in engineering because there are lot no of private colleges and are increasing which makes getting admission very simple. If it continues like that then in future there would be no intrance exams because opening college's become business and no one bother about quality.2) Our curriculum, if we see our curriculum then it seems like it's simply created to get the marks and pass the exam. Nowhere it focuses on core subject and practicle knowledge. Our 70-80% curriculum is theoretical and practical is 20-30% which should be in reverse way because when students move to corporate world they work on practical things. So our curriculum do not make student ready for corporate world in terms of technical skills.3) Same curriculum problem with our schooling mostly with state boards. They also do not modify the curriculum as per the growth of world. I don't when it was last modified. There is no proper guidance for students about career. Most students decide their careers based on someone else's career.4) Students are also not groomed to take their career seriously. They enjoy their 4 yrs of engineering with the expectation that somehow they will get a job. They never concentrate on core subjects. They do not think about importance of subject, there never try to increase their knowledge. Only thing they care about is how to pass the semester. There are many more such reasons are there which needs to be observed carefully. It's not the small task because our education system is now become business to bring it back to actual value lots of efforts required. I would thank to NDTV who raise this topic and I appreciate their effort. I would request media to kindly highlight such serious problems which taking our country's future in danger and whatever way is possible we have to contribute to change this system.
Manufacturing sector me kewal contract pe kam hote Hai..labour class jyada bharti hote hain
Hey guys why not put English subtitles please I want to know!!
Its totally wrong to blame only Engineering students, I am living in US, I see here in US, once after completion of their Course almost all students get a chance to work in Professional training for a year or two as junior level training. I don't see its happening in India. If some sort of professional training is given to more number of fresh Engineering graduates, they can do very well in India too.
People are doing engineering just to get some job in IT company like Infosys,WIPRO ,TCS and you have to believe that candidates coming out of some of the private engineering college are of no use they just want to have selfies with these IT companies and post on social sites .Any if you see another side these candidates are result of demand and supply .earlier there was more focus on support kind of roles in these IT companies and customer was not qualifies enough or does not have enough resourcs to support it customers .Now customer has understood that these IT companies are running on freshers(1-3 years) and these IT companies are not even interested in R & D as these getting easy money by body shipping.
_I agree, bro_
Bug Life
It's easy to pass a judgement being a potato couch....
BTW resource is spelled as "Resources" not "Resourcs"
really true analysis... great
What is the relation between practical knowledge and social science ?
Imagine for a moment satyanadella & Sunday pitchai were to to be working in TCS or Info or wipro..where would they be?
Sir for aicte kya quality regulate kar rha he?
ज्यादा पढ़ाई बेरोजगार बनाती है। दसवी बहुत है।
i like it
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I donot like it
Ye thek hai bhai
WHAT cAN I DO OTHER THAN ENGINEERING ? I AM wRTING ENTRANCE EXAM. PLeaSe GIVE ALTERNATIVES
Engineering is a career of opportunities of vast possibilities.... I hope one day we will expect later from students and to first from colleges and teachers who are inadvertently showcasing Engineering and failing to deliver it's charm to students! I agree several students have come up with no interest but college and teacher can induce and inject which no one could have done before. We need to focus on quality but not on quantity. Each Human is priceless and unique and could have found it's passion and quality if school and college syllabus could have led him to find the path of it's interest (except talented students) with it's miscellaneous advanced depth knowledge.
quantity is inversely proportionally to quality..! in case of engineering today..!
Where is the next part?
Good one from a sensible journalist. keepup
mr. Pai is there, he is better know, Infosys itself is chop shop, doing only maintenance, they are not required engineer..
"GATE exam" or "exit exam " must be compulsory......for complete "Engineering degree"
Bharat me Engineer seejyada labour kamate Hai...
Thank God, government has not lowered their standard to entry into medical courses like MBBS or else thousands of medical colleges will mushroom out in a fortnight.
Absolutely correct...
Check out the video where MIT students are being roasted the same way by the American media 😂.
Many of these engineers are forced to go for engineering despite having interest in it or not.
The exact problem was discussed at 14:55.
India lacks product companies, government should look for improving this. This will give role models.
The Indian grand narrative of engineering needs to be taught so that engineers feel proud to be engineers.
"Jo engineer ban rahe hain wo engineer ban rahein hai kya? " whatta question 🤣🤣
This is not the problem of quality of engineering students. Engineers lacked quality in 80s and 90s too but they were able to get good job. The problem is only supply of engineers. Ur rao gave warning bells as early as 2003 about excess supply of engineers and also published a report but government didn't focus on it.
Kise movie may dailog tha..ki may nay IIT nahi ITI ki hy....
yes of course the reason is lack of skillness as said by many reports but who is responsible? our youths ? no it is the education system of our country who is not able to provide good faculties and practical knowledge .I agree with Mr pai.
Anonymous Any it is not like that . But good engineers don't want to join as professors or researcher in universities. They all want to join big firms.
Many subjects are not belonging to our work.... In all 8 semesters.... and many fixed values which no one know from where it came...????
The only solution lies in integration of industry and engineering education.The industry will exert its own influence in order to produce the kind of engineers it needs.
Tremendous room for improvement in Education is really there. This is not only about ENGG ONLY
When he said west Germany, i checked the upload date of this video, even though the internet wasn't there during the integation of Germany. 😅😅😅😅
no one talked about cirriculum and teachers... ya we need to restrict the engineering colleges , they have become business centres rather than education & tech centres.
First of BSc and BTech must be combined to form 1 degree and must be considered as a same degree. Same with MSc.
15:54 to 17:00 straight and simple reason...no bull
I know many who have good coding and practical knowledge, created good projects but have low cgpa due to theories in minor subjects and many who just score and can't create complex programs. Something is wrong with judgment and scoring of system.
There is a difference between IIT / Government Engg. colleges and the new privet colleges, recently opened engg. colleges by new politicians just for money making has pathetic staff with less 10K monthly salary who will not get any kind of job any were and hence teaching to engg. with his limited knowledge that to only limited to university curriculum. such colleges are 50% of total and they are producing this shit. Any way there is no connection between the curriculum and the practical knowledge. The jobs available in the market for engg. are also not related to any research or innovation only 5% job's are such. but 95% job's given to engg. can be done by any 10 pass person with experience and hard working ability.
Every engineer have try to change the technology . If engineer change the technology every six month than employment will increase because they need engineer for solution .
No knowledge because teachers padhate nhi hain.... Because according to them engineering me khud hi padna hota............ They don't have skills because there are no practicals....... No workshops.............. They are jobeless because nothing is being manufactured in India......... Phone, laptop, aeroplanes, everything is being exported from other countries.......... So that's the reason.............. But no problem engineers are intelligent enough that.... They can make place for themselves anywhere....... UPSC, Music Industry, film industry , Stand up comedian, Business man,............................. Ab next target government hogi....... Btech students itne bhi nalayak nhi hai.... 4 years ke college life me unhone har problems ko tackle krna seekh liya hai...... Now it's on government whether they want to take responsibility of engineers or not..... Brna engineering me itni. Berozgaari hai ki.... Engineers politics ko bhi career ki Tarah dekh rhe..... Fir to problems Ho zayengi 😂...... Because present government is doing nothing...........
Right
Wow!!!!! Incredible India. ;)
sir India mein jitne bhi deemed engineering college hai use band karwayein unko xam se pehle question paper haath mein hote hain
Can anybody translate this with english sub title?
true,engineering is at downfall in india. lack of good lab facility even in reputated collage, so how can u expect skilled engineer???
Badzaat college ki spelling aisi likhega to kaise kaam chalega
Engineering is a very easy subject but is made difficult by the engineering colleges. The colleges are money spinning rackets with zero infrastructure for teaching the subject. Mechanical Engg. dept with no machines and no tools. Computer Engg. dept with no computers. Teachers with average intelligence are sufficient for the job if they are sincere in teaching and if sufficient training equipment is provided. Once students grasp the basics and gain some confidence, they can advance on their own. Hands down skill development are absolutely required.
sabse pehle money ko partially bhulna padega. Kuch banana zaroori hai.
ravish kumar is a responsible and realistic reporter. i really get influenced by him.
Aicte approved college mein unhein University se question paper aate Hai aur University bhejti Hai copy correction ke liye other places mein
The point being put is very right, private colleges have no infrastructure, there are no professors to guide students, private colleges have professors who did M.Tech from the same shitty college and are now teaching the new students.
Dear not M.Tech even B.Tech is teaching to same B.Tech
Absolutely right. High quality profs and quality control of local univs are needed asap.
TD Chandrasekhar looks like what Dravid would look like on getting older.
ravish, have the guts to talk about reservation also, In NIT'S a general candidate has his candidature on less than 45% seats. while people getting one- third the marks of general candidates in the entrance exam , get into prestigious engg colleges
jo 45% general candidate he na, wo top scorer he unme se. chal wo baat chhor, ye bataao world me comparatively 45% noble prize jite kya science me. Aur sc/st ka reservation bhi jara si jagah me sirf 22.5% he, wo bhi kabhi thik se laagu nahi kiya gya, tarah tarah ke excuse bana kar. Aur social justice to increase hona chahiye har public private sector me top se lekat bottom tak. tabhi education system sahi ho sakta he.
All donations colleges must be closed asap
atleast some donation colleges are maintaining quality, those are better than cashless gov colleges.
dude..some private colleges may have better infra that IITs but still they cant produce shoe polishers for top IIT brains..people who go to donation are those who failed to make it to even bottomost competitive based colleges..right?
there can be 1-2 exception man, i would like to know why he could not make it to an IIT or even REC etc..first of all i know nothing about him, is he a technocrat? what innovations he lead at Microsoft?.. or he is more of a manager material..not sure honestly
Ye baat to maanlo ki india me mechanical related job bahut kam h...
Agar jyada hota to bahar se logo ko mangana padta jo nahi hota h.
Because, the way in which the books are written. Indian students learn more of the physicist's physics rather than that of the engineer's physics.
And of course one can't be practically rich by being a physicist.
Engineering has become a job opportunity rather than an innovative discipline.
One cannot complain about it either, as the lower middle-class and lower class is the predominant population of India (speaking in terms of economics).
>physicist's physics
This is very much true. When we started our 1st sem physics course, I thought we'd learn about forces, solids deformation, friction etc, but no! We learned about the Scanning Tunneling microscope! Fortunately the Chemistry course was much more relavant to actual engineering.
Ravish Ji should have called more experts to discuss on this matter. It started well but no fruitful discussion was made.
Most of the engineers have no interest...yep im one of them...
This is how parents pressurize their kids for destruction
It is our system who is responsible not the students
Blame it to private colleges indiscriminately dolling out degrees like flyers
You great sir
He should have said the same for news anchora
Atleast the word is getting out.
the universities and colleges emphasize on making only tgpa and cgpa they never provides practical knowledge
My Comment is for Mr Mohandas Pai, whom I respect a lot.
Mr Pai,
If there is a feeling that engineers do not have knowledge then there is my feedback.
1. The evaluation of a good engineer depends on how a company selects an engineer. It is not wrong if I say that the way an IT company recruites engineer is like buying potatoes.
2. The recuiters look at the professionals from small companies like an insect, however it is very different that these insects are much more capable than the lot selected in conpanies like Infy and Wipro.
3. When wipro gets a project the wipro or infy engineer only fills, amd I repeat, only fills the spreadsheet, which even a clerk can do. The real designers are the small OEMs in this case. I am proud to be one of them.
4. When you say they are not employable then what are you doing to raise the standards of engineering syllabus.
I, Sir, handly projects for many big companies as OeM representative.. Have made many deals successful for spreadsheet engineers that these companies have. I have been (fortunately) rejected by some of these companies at resume screening stage. I am so thankful for that because this gives me the opportunity to go into an OEM who actually control your projects.
So, Sir, I congratulate companies like wipro and Infy for their spreadsheet engineers.... And all the best to you and your thinking.
Regards
The real engineer.
Many subjects are not belonging to our work.... In all 8 semesters.... and many fixed values and formulae which no one know from where it came...????@
Thanks god you haven't come up with survey on journalism. But it is also true that Indian have overall 50% contribution in IT world.
Engineering colleges kholke sabh buisness men log business kar rahe hai... Aur population badh rahi hai engineering ki... Firr bht bekaar halat hoti hai... I am interested in computer and I also have skills but.. In first year we have common subjects of every branches.. That sucks a lot... Agar Computer mai Interest hai toh sabh q padhu?
finaly some news channel showing basic issues of.our country unlike others praising and fighting politicians
My parents want me to do engineering even i dont know the m of maths
sir i would suggest, in india enginreeing should be studied only in IIT colleges..n the rest engineering colleges must be SHUT DOWN!!
Nit me??