The reason the Constitution has a prohibition against the Union having a 'state' religion is the fact that at the time, all the states but one had a state religion, and their state religions were not all the same. So, a National State religion would have been in opposition to the state religions of a number of states, so they chose not to have a national religion.
@@thomasjamison2050The reason the Constitution has a prohibition against the establishment of a state religion is because they had been forced to adhere to a state religion, which were all different in each place they went. They established the prohibition so they could make their own personal choice.
@@MR2Davjohn That is not correct. People in each state were free to choose their own religion, but the states did all recognize one religion as the predominant religion of their state. Even if they had picked a national religion the way states pick their state flower, so to speak, it would not have restricted the rights of citizens to chose their own religion for the most part. Some states at various times had restricted certain minority religions, but by the time of writing of the Constitution this had essentially ended. States generally picked the most popular religion in a state as the favored religion, which is not entirely insensible, but not every state had a different religion of choice in any case.
Wow, not only did you provide us with an accurate rendition of Dutch history but you also made a brilliant attempt at the many Dutch pronunciations. Complimenten en groetjes uit Nederland. 🌹
The story i heard from a relative was that we are in part descended from John Billington who came over on the Mayflower. Billington had a problem with authority and, it is said, was constantly at odds with religious leaders. At some point he got into a dispute and shot a man to death, and as a result he became the first person to receive the death sentence at Plymouth colony.
1-he was not Dutch, 2-that story has nothing to do with thanksgiving. 3.killing somebody is a sin. (that also counts for people judging and give someone the death sentence).
fun somewhat related fact: I remember reading in a book about the Dutch golden age that it wasn't unusual for somebody born in Leiden to spend their life not ever seeing the sea, despite Leiden being less than 10 miles from the coast. The author used this as an example for how stayed-put most people were in that time, and how even a journey from Amsterdam to Leiden was a major event, not to mention an Atlantic crossing.
I’m a descendant of at least one of the Puritan immigrants to America. However, I’m also descended from some Quakers exiled and imprisoned by them. They wanted religious freedom, but only for themselves.
My ancestor was in Leiden and on the Speedwell that had to return to Leiden because it was a leaky bucket. His name was Thomas Blossom Sr, and several US Presidents are also descended from him. I believe he came to Plymouth colony the next year on the Mayflower (not sure if it was the same ship as the first. Mayflower was a rather common name for ships back then.) He died not long afterwards (he was up in years), probably of influenza.
I'm descended from William Ring who was also on the Speedwell. He passed away in Leidan but his widow and daughters came to Plymouth later on. One of his daughters married my other Plymouth ancestor, Stephen Dean who came to Plymouth on The Fortune, which also carried the ancestors of John Adams and FDR.
@randb4865: 'Wilt heden nu treden' is not the translation of 'We gather together'. The translation of that is 'Wij komen te samen'. In old Dutch it was probably written 'Wy koomen te saamen'. It's a Protestant phrase. Your 'Wilt heden nu treden' can be translated to 'Let the present come now'. Which makes no sense because time you are in at the moment can not be welcomed: it is already there!
I have lived in the beautiful city of Leiden all my life, and have been watching THG videos for a long time, so I got quite excited seeing this pop up in my feed!
Some years ago in very religious parts of The Netherlands the Thank-Day for the Crops was considered a Sunday. Shops did not open, and even ATMs would not work 🙂
This Thanksgiving I'm thankful for the History Guy bringing history that deserves to be remembered to life. I just found out that I am partly descended from Dutch colonists from the New Netherlands colonies. It is really interesting to see how the Dutch influenced America's identity.
The maternal side of my family claims a Pilgrim connection back to John Howland. Growing up stories abounded about the trials and tribulations of the stalwart Pilgrims and their harrowing experiences in the New World. I was stationed in West Germany while serving in the military; we took many trips to Holland, and on one such trip we visited Leiden and explored the Pilgrim history from that perspective. It was a fascinating story then and continues to be an intriguing segment of our country's history still. Thank you for this presentation.
When we focus on the Pilgrims and the first Thanksgiving celebration in the New World, we ignore the first celebration of Thanksgiving celebrated at Berkeley Plantation in Virginia TWO YEARS prior to the Pilgrims even landing in the New World. Check it out! It took, is history which deserves to be remembered. Great vid. Keep at it.
Thank you for this. Thank you for providing a Thanksgiving video that didn't hold anything back (historically, politically, or theologically). It shows you don't view your audience as too dumb to grasp what you've gathered.
The Mayflower was supposed to be accompanied by another ship the Speedwell, which was supposed to stay with the colony. The ship started to take on water on the voyage, suspected sabotage, and returned to port. Some of the colonists on the Speedwell transferred onto the Mayflower for the 1620 journey. The remaining colonists on the Speedwell had to finish the journey on the Fortune in 1621. My ancestor William Bassett was on that ship.
Cool! My Mother's family was linked by marriage to John Alden, the Mayflower's carpenter, until he married a young lady colonist, and stayed with her, becoming long involved in the colony's leadership. 😎👍
@@lancerevell5979John Alden married Priscilla Mullins. I am a direct dependent of theirs A total of 11 of my ancestors came over on the first trip of the Mayflower.
The Maryland Colony and its Thanksgiving is ignored because of the Civil War and Maryland having secession tendencies made an excuse to have it ignored. George Calvert was bestowed a colony by James II and his Children became Lords Baltimore which made the "Maryland had the Law Concerning Religion 1649" was recognised during the writing of the Declaration of Independence and First Amendment of the Constitution. Puritians and their ancestors at that time still wished that King George III still had the grasp of the faith. I hope The History Guy will discuss the difference of Maryland Colony, Massachusetts Bay Colony and rest of New England. There is a dark side of the Pilgrims and the 19th century erased the actual history.
My Alma Mater is Leiden where I studied law taking class in the Academie gebouw which you show that still exists. Today only graduations and important events are held there. Such as my son recieving his bacholor degree reading the classics. It's a short walk away from the Pieterskerk with a plaque you showed on the pelgrim fathers. Several exams I had in that church. May I complement you on your correct prenounsation of the Dutch g. As usual you provide an excellent well researched and presented video with also for me many new interesting insights into history proper. You should visit Leiden of which the old centre has much houses still standing thanks to the poverty that followed the decline of the textile industry you mentioned. Many people of lesser intellect were sent there for the simple employ under the harsh conditions you mentioned. So, they didn't tare many old building down like in Amsterdam. The average IQ in Leiden including the university population which population has the same average as other universities in the Netherlands is the lowest of our country. So it might indeed be the second city counting the population. I don't know when they tore down the birth house of Rembrandt to build silly ugly splitlevel houses in the 70ies but they shore regret that fact now. Leiden was built around a round borough that still stands to this day as a safe trading post. I'm not sure if Leiden (Leyden) was the second largest city then. I live in Dordrecht under Rotterdam now. The city where the first Dutch bible translation was voted as the protestant spark of the 80 years war in which the 12 year truce which you mention just prior to the Thirty year war which was looming as you mention. Also the then most important and I guess largest city of now South Holland with Holland the richest part of the Netherlands. Leiden and Amsterdam are in North Holland. Dordrecht to this day is the buckle of the Bible belt with the mostly protestant North and mostly cathelic south below the Rhine estuary. The first democratic Staten vergadering was also in Dordrecht where the independence from Spain you mention was held. That building is also still in use. Dordrecht also has a large old city centre due to poverty after the rivers got too many sandbanks and Rotterdam rose as easier accesable harbour. 20:14
Minor correction: Leiden is in South Holland. But your point about the relative size of cities in South Holland is well taken. The cities could shrink rapidly when the rivers silted up and changed course, affecting trade. This is another reason Leiden has so many old buildings - the population simply wasn't growing much between 1600 and 1800. There was little need to build more houses.
The Dutch are well known for keeping excellent church records. Thanks to both Church Wedding and Baptismal records, I know what most of my ancestors did for a vocation going back to the 1500's.
Even though I live in Haarlem, I study in Leiden. It’s always fun to watch American tourists on their own “pilgrimage” back to Leiden. Walking around with their tour guide, and learning about where their ancestors came from.
I am descened from Jane Lathrop and Edward Fuller. Both arrived on the Mayflower. Thank you for an indepth look at the pilgrims stay in Netherlands. I enjoyed it very much.
I'm SoCal born & raised. But I have a long, personal history with The Netherlands. Just to the west of Rotterdam proper, is a village that was incorporated into Rotterdam City called Delftshaven. Delft never had a harbor of it's own, so a canal was dug connecting it to the port in Rotterdam. There is an old church there, behind which the Pilgrims slept in a barn before boarding the Speedwell. The barn is long, long gone. But the church survives. And there is a plaque of remembrance there, right on the quay. Very, very thought provoking place to contemplate the beginnings of our America and how we made ourselves in to the land we are today. 😊
thanks history guide. you have given me food for thought. more abmy dutch roots and my dad chosing to leve the netherlands for america. it peaks my curiosity. about finding a life partner with a history going back to middle england. she was a child of a beebe or bbeby in middle england that from challenges from civil wars. my departed wife was a life long member of the protestant faith. i was brought up in a roman catholic tradition. she had the dream to marry a dutch person. i guess being born in hollandmakes me duth but my focused on being american and i follow his lead. you can take the boy out of the dutch country but you can not take the dutch out of the boy. there is a lot to learn from history as it is the foundation of our presence. i thank god and those who present history in an enlightening way. danks well or thank you history guy may you and everyone have a happy thanksgiving day. we need to be thankful for ou blessings. i f you celebrate with the bird called turkey may you have a norman rockwell painting of Thanksgiving in a family gathering. may god bless all.
Ah! The Leidens Ontzet. Before they sailed, they attended a church service in Delftshaven/Rotterdam (where my family is from). One if my cousins was baptized in that church in the early 1960s.
My mother loves Protestant history, so I grew up hearing these stories. Unfortunately, we’re Fords, so we’re “daughters of the fortune” not the mayflower
We discuss the Pilgrims each year at Thanksgiving. It’s appropriate since my wife, children, and grandchildren are all descended from 4 members of the 1st voyage of the Mayflower. John Howland, 13th signatory of the Mayflower Pact, married Elizabeth Tilley, daughter of John & Joan Tilley in 1624, in Plymouth. All four people were Mayflower passengers. My wife’s family are descendants of John and Elizabeth’s daughter, Hope Howland. This family tree was almost stillborn. John Howland fell overboard from the Mayflower during a storm. He grabbed a dangling rope and climbed it to safety. Had he drowned, my wife and her family wouldn’t exist, nor would a significant number of US Presidents.
1st, I'm a UK amateur Historian. I thought this YT was great. It dealt with the Politics prior to the Mayflower. BUT. There is another story that I've never seen reported. That is the Norfolk (England), connection. I have lived in Foulsham, Norfolk for 50 year. (Go Google Earth, only one on there). 15mls away, (24Km) is a Villiage called Hingham, some of whom sailed on the Mayflower. I don't know if it was the Speedwell to Leiden to join Mayflower. Interesting Fact. Since the Middle Ages, Norfolk has permission from the Crown, (King) to rear Foul. ALL feathered birds, inc Swans (belong to the Crown). So this became the Centre for Turkey production during the Tudor period. Norfolk also has a Local, sweet pie from way back, called " Million Pie", made of PUMPKIN. Did Hingham bring Thanksgiving, as stated a Dutch festival, or just the Eats.? I'd love to know. PS. Year 2000 my Dad, (d2005), wanted to go back to his Family roots one last time in Dorset County.. In Weymouth Museum, I found a copy of a Passenger list for an Emigrant ship to New England, dated earlier than 1620. The Dorchester Co., which, I "think" is a Sub of the Bristol Co. On the list is "John King and his Wife". Consider this.. It's the early 17C, no road, rail or air, my G Father was the first from his Fam to leave the County in 1910!. Our family name is John . ALL males have John, 1st or 2nd. going back generations I feel good hoping that my ancestor, and let's not forget the "wife" helped to build the USA.
The Separatists of course appointed one of their own to negotiate the purchase of the two ships. This was Robert Cushman. When the Speedwell had to turn back, Cushman went with it. He was my 9-greats grandfather.
I am related to Van Buren and am a Van Dyke from New Amsterdam descendant. Also two children who came over on the Mayflower and married here. And Pocahontas twice.
After splitting the bill as a Dutch Treat.. and: › Beat the Dutch: To exceed expectations. › Dutch act / cure: Committing suicide. › Dutch agreement: An agreement made while intoxicated. › Dutch auction: An auction in which the goods are offered at gradually decreasing prices. The first bidder to accept wins. › Dutch bargain: A bargain settled over drinks. › Dutch collar: A horse collar. › Dutch comfort: Deriving comfort from the fact that things could be worse. › Dutch concert: Lots of noise, like that made by a group of drunken Dutchmen. › Dutch courage: Liquid courage provided by alcohol. › Dutch defence: A sham defence. › Dutch generosity: Stinginess. › Dutch headache: Hangover. › Dutch leaf: False gold leaf. › Dutch leave: When a soldier is absent without leave, AWOL. › Dutch gold: An alloy of copper and zinc, yellow in colour, that’s easily tarnished unless lacquered. Imitation gold leaf is made from it, hence the name Dutch leaf. It is also called Dutch metal. › Dutch nightingales: Frogs. › Dutch reckoning: an excessively high bill that’s neither itemised nor detailed. › Dutch rub: To rub your knuckles across the top of someone’s head while holding their head under your other arm. › Dutch talent: More brawn than brain. › Dutch treat: When you go out to eat and each person pays for themselves. To go Dutch has the same meaning. › Dutch widow: A prostitute. › Dutch wife: A long bolster. › Dutched: Cancelled. › Dutchman's draught: A very large beer. › Double Dutch: Gibberish, hard to understand language. Also a jump rope game. › To go Dutch: When you go out to eat and each person pays for themselves. Same as Dutch treat. › To be in Dutch with someone: Being in trouble with someone. › I'm a Dutchman if I do: A strong refusal. › If not, I'm a Dutchman: Used to strengthen an affirmation or assertion. › In Dutch: In trouble, out of favour, under suspicion. › To talk like a Dutch uncle: Being stern and firm. › Well, I'm a Dutchman!: An exclamation of strong incredulity.
This is an example of the concept INSIGHT. 😁 Tyvm Here's another: God (capital G) created us with the ability of FREEWILL. Those He has _known_ He has _also_ PREDESTINED. That's a micro synopsis of *Romans 8* specifically verses 28-30, but the entire chapter is excellent ❣️ In other words, those who have _chosen_ to belong to Christ have been given a _predetermined destiny_ which has its corollary in those who reject salvation. They _chose their own FATE_ Religion is a broad term applied to many human beliefs & practices. The Holy Bible speaks of how GOD WANTS A RELATIONSHIP, a 2-sided commitment based on Love. ...for which I'm forever grateful. Happy Thanksgiving! 🦃
One of these days I need to try finding a list of the people that were in Leiden. I can trace my history back to a person on the Fortune that came out of London in 1621, and his wife and son later, but I don't know if he was part of the Leiden group or picked up later for his trade. (Should also try finding the family of the various early spouses too, but they weren't mentioned in the book I found.)
Very well done. Thank you. Much of the back story was known to me as a follower of the Congregational Way. But in true THG fashion, you have added to my knowledge base. Blessings.
Proud to live on the Leiden map you've shown. Congratulations on your dutch pronunciation! 'danken' (now 'bedanken') is a verb, meaning giving thanks, so 'dankdag' is very much thanks-givings. I don't think we celebrate it anymore, ungratefully. The 'stink alley' is now called william brewstersteeg; 'smelly alley' would have been a nicer translation for 'stink steeg', because, rhyme.
9:00 does anyone know what the swingset looking things are hanging in the middle of the room? Naturally a search of "dutch swinging book holder" would result in nothing relevant
Unfortunately the reason for wars and a lots of issues we see today are due to religion and religious intolerance. Thank you again for another well done episode.
I just read a tweet by Matthew Yglesias saying that Thanksgiving was first celebrated after the victory of North over the South at the end of the Civil War. He also said it was FDR who created the modern celebration to boost Christmas sales. Is that correct, History Guy? Thanks!
The Puritans had a lot to do with establishing "Religious Freedom?" Really? I think Mary Dyer would dispute that claim. The argument has been made that they left the Netherlands, where they had religious freedom, because they could not impose their religious beliefs on others there.
Yes, they came here to escape religious persecution in England. No, they did not practice religious tolerance here. In fact, the entire idea of “purifying” the Church of England shows that they were not tolerant of other religious practices and saw things their own way. It is fairer to say that they came here to have the freedom to practice their religion as they saw fit. Like many colonists, they hoped for a place where they could order society around their own ideas. Yet their experience did greatly impact the religious freedom enshrined in the First Amendment. I find it dubious to claim that they left Leiden because they could not impose religious will there. They presented multiple reasons for eventually choosing to come to the New World.
Have always been suprise that considering thd amount of religious persecution they had suffered they were themselves very intolerant of other religious views points. Sadly this is not an uncommon thing that happens people who have been treated unfairly then turn and treat others in the same manner they were themselves treated. Oh and yes the Mova globes look very cool but they are also a good bit out of my price range.
What they actually wanted was a place where they could practice their religion as they wished. But their story, both in terms of their persecution in England and their own persecution of others in the Massachusetts Bay Colony, greatly impacted the freedom of religion as defined in the First Amendment.
The unfortunate thing these days is a great many Christians have forgotten or deny the part about being Prohibited from establishing Government Mandated religion /practices and would use government to force others to live by their particular set of beliefs.
There was also a belief among my mother’s family that we had a Mayflower ancestor. So this Thanksgiving I got on the computer and started tracing our family back. Turns out I am a descendant of William Brewster. Nice when family myths turn out to be real.
On a side note, the Act of Departure is a correct translation but it refers to the departure from the legitimate throne of the Netherlands by having become a tyrant. He had done so by trampling on the people's inalienable right to freedom of conscience, of how to believe in god, as well as ancient rights and privileges of dealing with local matters themselves, like religion's place in the public domain. This freedom conscience was already codified in the Union of Utrecht of 1579, where the 7 Northern Netherlands rallied around to form a union against Spain and turn the rebellion into a war. This became the de facto constitution of the Dutch Republic so there was a hard limit to interference with one's personal religion practiced in the private sphere which allowed even the catholics to congegrate. Anyway, by declaring the king had left the throne himself by his own actions, it was not a frontal attack on the legitimacy of kings and the divine right of kings, it was merely made conditional. Over a 100 years later, the king having left the throne himself and this time physically, was also used by the Dutch to get around the legitimacy issue, this time with William III of Orange.
Do I understand correctly that Holland hosted an active trade in TOBACCO long before trans-Atlantic colonization? Has THG done an episode on the tobacco trade?
Tobacco was brought from the New World to Europe in the 1520s, and to the Netherlands in the 1560s. Yes, nearly fifty years later there was a tobacco trade.
Complaining that their children were becoming loose due to contact with other groups sounds familiar. There are plenty of characteristics some religious people have today that I wonder if Pilgrim-ism hand a hand in making so many religious people in the USA we see so strict and willing to force others to act and think like them?
Romans 8:28-30 NIV And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
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The reason the Constitution has a prohibition against the Union having a 'state' religion is the fact that at the time, all the states but one had a state religion, and their state religions were not all the same. So, a National State religion would have been in opposition to the state religions of a number of states, so they chose not to have a national religion.
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@@thomasjamison2050The reason the Constitution has a prohibition against the establishment of a state religion is because they had been forced to adhere to a state religion, which were all different in each place they went. They established the prohibition so they could make their own personal choice.
@@MR2Davjohn That is not correct. People in each state were free to choose their own religion, but the states did all recognize one religion as the predominant religion of their state. Even if they had picked a national religion the way states pick their state flower, so to speak, it would not have restricted the rights of citizens to chose their own religion for the most part. Some states at various times had restricted certain minority religions, but by the time of writing of the Constitution this had essentially ended. States generally picked the most popular religion in a state as the favored religion, which is not entirely insensible, but not every state had a different religion of choice in any case.
Wow, not only did you provide us with an accurate rendition of Dutch history but you also made a brilliant attempt at the many Dutch pronunciations. Complimenten en groetjes uit Nederland. 🌹
The story i heard from a relative was that we are in part descended from John Billington who came over on the Mayflower. Billington had a problem with authority and, it is said, was constantly at odds with religious leaders. At some point he got into a dispute and shot a man to death, and as a result he became the first person to receive the death sentence at Plymouth colony.
do you feel the same as he , a problem with authority ?
@@robertkostoroski3581 Depends on who the authority is.
It's not about you
@@SpicyTexan64 It's about everyone
1-he was not Dutch,
2-that story has nothing to do with thanksgiving.
3.killing somebody is a sin. (that also counts for people judging and give someone the death sentence).
fun somewhat related fact: I remember reading in a book about the Dutch golden age that it wasn't unusual for somebody born in Leiden to spend their life not ever seeing the sea, despite Leiden being less than 10 miles from the coast. The author used this as an example for how stayed-put most people were in that time, and how even a journey from Amsterdam to Leiden was a major event, not to mention an Atlantic crossing.
Dutchy here. In the 1950s and ‘60s my mother knew some people who still described distances in “hours going” (walking).
I love Presidential trivia and never knew Van Buren's *_second_* language was English.
Thanks, The History Guy, for all you do.
I’m a descendant of at least one of the Puritan immigrants to America. However, I’m also descended from some Quakers exiled and imprisoned by them. They wanted religious freedom, but only for themselves.
😆ketters..
I grew up in Leiden, spent many hours and days near the Pieterskerk
I have a long personal history in Nederland. SoCal born & raised. But I always thought Leijden one of the prettiest towns in Holland. 😊
My ancestor was in Leiden and on the Speedwell that had to return to Leiden because it was a leaky bucket. His name was Thomas Blossom Sr, and several US Presidents are also descended from him. I believe he came to Plymouth colony the next year on the Mayflower (not sure if it was the same ship as the first. Mayflower was a rather common name for ships back then.) He died not long afterwards (he was up in years), probably of influenza.
I'm descended from William Ring who was also on the Speedwell. He passed away in Leidan but his widow and daughters came to Plymouth later on. One of his daughters married my other Plymouth ancestor, Stephen Dean who came to Plymouth on The Fortune, which also carried the ancestors of John Adams and FDR.
The well-known Thanksgiving hymn "We Gather Together", aka the tune "Kremser", is actually originally a Dutch song.😊
Wilt heden nu treden...
@@randb4865 , Yes!😊
@randb4865: 'Wilt heden nu treden' is not the translation of 'We gather together'. The translation of that is 'Wij komen te samen'. In old Dutch it was probably written 'Wy koomen te saamen'. It's a Protestant phrase.
Your 'Wilt heden nu treden' can be translated to 'Let the present come now'. Which makes no sense because time you are in at the moment can not be welcomed: it is already there!
I have lived in the beautiful city of Leiden all my life, and have been watching THG videos for a long time, so I got quite excited seeing this pop up in my feed!
Some years ago in very religious parts of The Netherlands the Thank-Day for the Crops was considered a Sunday. Shops did not open, and even ATMs would not work 🙂
This Thanksgiving I'm thankful for the History Guy bringing history that deserves to be remembered to life. I just found out that I am partly descended from Dutch colonists from the New Netherlands colonies. It is really interesting to see how the Dutch influenced America's identity.
The Dutch Apple pie covered with Dutch chocolate ice cream at the Thanksgiving dinner is the Dutch connection baby!!
The maternal side of my family claims a Pilgrim connection back to John Howland. Growing up stories abounded about the trials and tribulations of the stalwart Pilgrims and their harrowing experiences in the New World. I was stationed in West Germany while serving in the military; we took many trips to Holland, and on one such trip we visited Leiden and explored the Pilgrim history from that perspective. It was a fascinating story then and continues to be an intriguing segment of our country's history still. Thank you for this presentation.
Good Wednesday morning History Guy and everyone watching. Have a great holiday season. Stay safe.
When we focus on the Pilgrims and the first Thanksgiving celebration in the New World, we ignore the first celebration of Thanksgiving celebrated at Berkeley Plantation in Virginia TWO YEARS prior to the Pilgrims even landing in the New World. Check it out! It took, is history which deserves to be remembered. Great vid. Keep at it.
Thank you for this. Thank you for providing a Thanksgiving video that didn't hold anything back (historically, politically, or theologically). It shows you don't view your audience as too dumb to grasp what you've gathered.
The Mayflower was supposed to be accompanied by another ship the Speedwell, which was supposed to stay with the colony. The ship started to take on water on the voyage, suspected sabotage, and returned to port. Some of the colonists on the Speedwell transferred onto the Mayflower for the 1620 journey. The remaining colonists on the Speedwell had to finish the journey on the Fortune in 1621. My ancestor William Bassett was on that ship.
Cool! My Mother's family was linked by marriage to John Alden, the Mayflower's carpenter, until he married a young lady colonist, and stayed with her, becoming long involved in the colony's leadership. 😎👍
@@lancerevell5979 Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours!
@@lancerevell5979John Alden married Priscilla Mullins. I am a direct dependent of theirs A total of 11 of my ancestors came over on the first trip of the Mayflower.
The Maryland Colony and its Thanksgiving is ignored because of the Civil War and Maryland having secession tendencies made an excuse to have it ignored. George Calvert was bestowed a colony by James II and his Children became Lords Baltimore which made the "Maryland had the Law Concerning Religion 1649" was recognised during the writing of the Declaration of Independence and First Amendment of the Constitution. Puritians and their ancestors at that time still wished that King George III still had the grasp of the faith. I hope The History Guy will discuss the difference of Maryland Colony, Massachusetts Bay Colony and rest of New England. There is a dark side of the Pilgrims and the 19th century erased the actual history.
Mister “Well Ackshully”, if you know so much about it, and wish for the truth to get out, why don’t you make your own videos on the subject?
@@garysarratt1 I comment to seek amusing replies that appear Low IQ and reveal unoriginal thought.
My Alma Mater is Leiden where I studied law taking class in the Academie gebouw which you show that still exists. Today only graduations and important events are held there. Such as my son recieving his bacholor degree reading the classics.
It's a short walk away from the Pieterskerk with a plaque you showed on the pelgrim fathers.
Several exams I had in that church.
May I complement you on your correct prenounsation of the Dutch g.
As usual you provide an excellent well researched and presented video with also for me many new interesting insights into history proper.
You should visit Leiden of which the old centre has much houses still standing thanks to the poverty that followed the decline of the textile industry you mentioned.
Many people of lesser intellect were sent there for the simple employ under the harsh conditions you mentioned. So, they didn't tare many old building down like in Amsterdam.
The average IQ in Leiden including the university population which population has the same average as other universities in the Netherlands is the lowest of our country. So it might indeed be the second city counting the population.
I don't know when they tore down the birth house of Rembrandt to build silly ugly splitlevel houses in the 70ies but they shore regret that fact now.
Leiden was built around a round borough that still stands to this day as a safe trading post.
I'm not sure if Leiden (Leyden) was the second largest city then. I live in Dordrecht under Rotterdam now. The city where the first Dutch bible translation was voted as the protestant spark of the 80 years war in which the 12 year truce which you mention just prior to the Thirty year war which was looming as you mention.
Also the then most important and I guess largest city of now South Holland with Holland the richest part of the Netherlands. Leiden and Amsterdam are in North Holland.
Dordrecht to this day is the buckle of the Bible belt with the mostly protestant North and mostly cathelic south below the Rhine estuary.
The first democratic Staten vergadering was also in Dordrecht where the independence from Spain you mention was held. That building is also still in use. Dordrecht also has a large old city centre due to poverty after the rivers got too many sandbanks and Rotterdam rose as easier accesable harbour. 20:14
Minor correction: Leiden is in South Holland. But your point about the relative size of cities in South Holland is well taken. The cities could shrink rapidly when the rivers silted up and changed course, affecting trade. This is another reason Leiden has so many old buildings - the population simply wasn't growing much between 1600 and 1800. There was little need to build more houses.
@@gluffoful yeah, of course Leiden is in South Holland. Its to the North of Dordrecht. I don't know why I made the mistake😅
The Dutch are well known for keeping excellent church records. Thanks to both Church Wedding and Baptismal records, I know what most of my ancestors did for a vocation going back to the 1500's.
Everyone have a great Holiday season
My ancestor John Dwight came over in 1640...but other ancestors arrived earlier in South Carolina...
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Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
Even though I live in Haarlem, I study in Leiden. It’s always fun to watch American tourists on their own “pilgrimage” back to Leiden. Walking around with their tour guide, and learning about where their ancestors came from.
That was one of your best videos, Lance.
Many happy childhood memories come from and are in Leiden❤
I am descened from Jane Lathrop and Edward Fuller. Both arrived on the Mayflower. Thank you for an indepth look at the pilgrims stay in Netherlands. I enjoyed it very much.
I'm SoCal born & raised. But I have a long, personal history with The Netherlands. Just to the west of Rotterdam proper, is a village that was incorporated into Rotterdam City called Delftshaven. Delft never had a harbor of it's own, so a canal was dug connecting it to the port in Rotterdam. There is an old church there, behind which the Pilgrims slept in a barn before boarding the Speedwell. The barn is long, long gone. But the church survives. And there is a plaque of remembrance there, right on the quay. Very, very thought provoking place to contemplate the beginnings of our America and how we made ourselves in to the land we are today. 😊
Fascinating. Thank you!
Back in the Saddle Again Naturally
I'm thankful for this history lesson.
Lest we forget "We Gather Together..." a Dutch hymn often sung at Thanksgiving.
I appreciate you and thank you for making content.
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thanks history guide. you have given me food for thought. more abmy dutch roots and my dad chosing to leve the netherlands for america.
it peaks my curiosity. about finding a life partner with a history going back to middle england. she was a child of a beebe or bbeby in middle england that from challenges from civil wars. my departed wife was a life long member of the protestant faith. i was brought up in a roman catholic tradition. she had the dream to marry a dutch person. i guess being born in hollandmakes me duth but my focused on being american and i follow his lead.
you can take the boy out of the dutch country but you can not take the dutch out of the boy.
there is a lot to learn from history as it is the foundation of our presence.
i thank god and those who present history in an enlightening way.
danks well or thank you history guy may you and everyone have a happy thanksgiving day.
we need to be thankful for ou blessings. i f you celebrate with the bird called turkey may you have a norman rockwell painting of Thanksgiving in a family gathering.
may god bless all.
Great job explaining this seldom discussed history… you could do a show about the Ship The Little James
Great episode! Good job Casper.
Ah! The Leidens Ontzet.
Before they sailed, they attended a church service in Delftshaven/Rotterdam (where my family is from). One if my cousins was baptized in that church in the early 1960s.
Thanks for another great video. Can you go into detail on the Mercator Projection (sic) for us, please?
My mother loves Protestant history, so I grew up hearing these stories. Unfortunately, we’re Fords, so we’re “daughters of the fortune” not the mayflower
I’m very impressed by your pronunciation of “dankdag”
How big is the globe you are showing? Thanks for making these videos!
That is a six inch globe.
Very informative. Learned a lot about the history of the city where I live.
I had read this about my Robinson family but only THG could bring it to life for me.
We discuss the Pilgrims each year at Thanksgiving. It’s appropriate since my wife, children, and grandchildren are all descended from 4 members of the 1st voyage of the Mayflower. John Howland, 13th signatory of the Mayflower Pact, married Elizabeth Tilley, daughter of John & Joan Tilley in 1624, in Plymouth. All four people were Mayflower passengers. My wife’s family are descendants of John and Elizabeth’s daughter, Hope Howland. This family tree was almost stillborn. John Howland fell overboard from the Mayflower during a storm. He grabbed a dangling rope and climbed it to safety. Had he drowned, my wife and her family wouldn’t exist, nor would a significant number of US Presidents.
We are cousins. :)
Happy Thanksgiving 🦃 history guy 😊
1st, I'm a UK amateur Historian. I thought this YT was great. It dealt with the Politics prior to the Mayflower. BUT. There is another story that I've never seen reported. That is the Norfolk (England), connection. I have lived in Foulsham, Norfolk for 50 year. (Go Google Earth, only one on there). 15mls away, (24Km) is a Villiage called Hingham, some of whom sailed on the Mayflower. I don't know if it was the Speedwell to Leiden to join Mayflower. Interesting Fact. Since the Middle Ages, Norfolk has permission from the Crown, (King) to rear Foul. ALL feathered birds, inc Swans (belong to the Crown). So this became the Centre for Turkey production during the Tudor period. Norfolk also has a Local, sweet pie from way back, called " Million Pie", made of PUMPKIN. Did Hingham bring Thanksgiving, as stated a Dutch festival, or just the Eats.? I'd love to know. PS. Year 2000 my Dad, (d2005), wanted to go back to his Family roots one last time in Dorset County.. In Weymouth Museum, I found a copy of a Passenger list for an Emigrant ship to New England, dated earlier than 1620. The Dorchester Co., which, I "think" is a Sub of the Bristol Co. On the list is "John King and his Wife". Consider this.. It's the early 17C, no road, rail or air, my G Father was the first from his Fam to leave the County in 1910!. Our family name is John . ALL males have John, 1st or 2nd. going back generations I feel good hoping that my ancestor, and let's not forget the "wife" helped to build the USA.
Excellent pronunciation of the Dutch words, sir!
Awesome episode! ❤
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As a Hollander i often wonder why the English speakers call us germans.
Dutch after Deutsch
The Separatists of course appointed one of their own to negotiate the purchase of the two ships. This was Robert Cushman. When the Speedwell had to turn back, Cushman went with it. He was my 9-greats grandfather.
I am related to Van Buren and am a Van Dyke from New Amsterdam descendant. Also two children who came over on the Mayflower and married here. And Pocahontas twice.
And I thought the only connection was after eating a big Thanksgiving dinner you gifted a loved one a Dutch oven.
After splitting the bill as a Dutch Treat.. and: › Beat the Dutch: To exceed expectations.
› Dutch act / cure: Committing suicide.
› Dutch agreement: An agreement made while intoxicated.
› Dutch auction: An auction in which the goods are offered at gradually decreasing prices. The first bidder to accept wins.
› Dutch bargain: A bargain settled over drinks.
› Dutch collar: A horse collar.
› Dutch comfort: Deriving comfort from the fact that things could be worse.
› Dutch concert: Lots of noise, like that made by a group of drunken Dutchmen.
› Dutch courage: Liquid courage provided by alcohol.
› Dutch defence: A sham defence.
› Dutch generosity: Stinginess.
› Dutch headache: Hangover.
› Dutch leaf: False gold leaf.
› Dutch leave: When a soldier is absent without leave, AWOL.
› Dutch gold: An alloy of copper and zinc, yellow in colour, that’s easily tarnished unless lacquered. Imitation gold leaf is made from it, hence the name Dutch leaf. It is also called Dutch metal.
› Dutch nightingales: Frogs.
› Dutch reckoning: an excessively high bill that’s neither itemised nor detailed.
› Dutch rub: To rub your knuckles across the top of someone’s head while holding their head under your other arm.
› Dutch talent: More brawn than brain.
› Dutch treat: When you go out to eat and each person pays for themselves. To go Dutch has the same meaning.
› Dutch widow: A prostitute.
› Dutch wife: A long bolster.
› Dutched: Cancelled.
› Dutchman's draught: A very large beer.
› Double Dutch: Gibberish, hard to understand language. Also a jump rope game.
› To go Dutch: When you go out to eat and each person pays for themselves. Same as Dutch treat.
› To be in Dutch with someone: Being in trouble with someone.
› I'm a Dutchman if I do: A strong refusal.
› If not, I'm a Dutchman: Used to strengthen an affirmation or assertion.
› In Dutch: In trouble, out of favour, under suspicion.
› To talk like a Dutch uncle: Being stern and firm.
› Well, I'm a Dutchman!: An exclamation of strong incredulity.
Maybe i've been indoors too much lately but i'm starting to crush on the history guy.
Re: Free will vs Predetermination. It doesn’t matter because you’d do the same thing either way.
This is an example of the concept INSIGHT. 😁 Tyvm
Here's another: God (capital G) created us with the ability of FREEWILL.
Those He has _known_ He has _also_ PREDESTINED. That's a micro synopsis of *Romans 8* specifically verses 28-30, but the entire chapter is excellent ❣️
In other words, those who have _chosen_ to belong to Christ have been given a _predetermined destiny_ which has its corollary in those who reject salvation. They _chose their own FATE_
Religion is a broad term applied to many human beliefs & practices.
The Holy Bible speaks of how GOD WANTS A RELATIONSHIP, a 2-sided commitment based on Love.
...for which I'm forever grateful.
Happy Thanksgiving! 🦃
One of these days I need to try finding a list of the people that were in Leiden. I can trace my history back to a person on the Fortune that came out of London in 1621, and his wife and son later, but I don't know if he was part of the Leiden group or picked up later for his trade. (Should also try finding the family of the various early spouses too, but they weren't mentioned in the book I found.)
another great one. You need to do the history of the USS San Diego. the only us ship lost during ww1 to enemy fire
Very well done. Thank you. Much of the back story was known to me as a follower of the Congregational Way. But in true THG fashion, you have added to my knowledge base. Blessings.
What's the name of those globes?
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Proud to live on the Leiden map you've shown. Congratulations on your dutch pronunciation!
'danken' (now 'bedanken') is a verb, meaning giving thanks, so 'dankdag' is very much thanks-givings. I don't think we celebrate it anymore, ungratefully.
The 'stink alley' is now called william brewstersteeg; 'smelly alley' would have been a nicer translation for 'stink steeg', because, rhyme.
9:00 does anyone know what the swingset looking things are hanging in the middle of the room? Naturally a search of "dutch swinging book holder" would result in nothing relevant
Don't eat too much tomorrow
Unfortunately the reason for wars and a lots of issues we see today are due to religion and religious intolerance.
Thank you again for another well done episode.
Cool.
John Wayne knew a lot of pilgrims. :)
Anybody else want one of these with a tiny moon circling the globe?
I just read a tweet by Matthew Yglesias saying that Thanksgiving was first celebrated after the victory of North over the South at the end of the Civil War. He also said it was FDR who created the modern celebration to boost Christmas sales. Is that correct, History Guy? Thanks!
The Puritans had a lot to do with establishing "Religious Freedom?" Really? I think Mary Dyer would dispute that claim. The argument has been made that they left the Netherlands, where they had religious freedom, because they could not impose their religious beliefs on others there.
Yes, they came here to escape religious persecution in England. No, they did not practice religious tolerance here. In fact, the entire idea of “purifying” the Church of England shows that they were not tolerant of other religious practices and saw things their own way. It is fairer to say that they came here to have the freedom to practice their religion as they saw fit. Like many colonists, they hoped for a place where they could order society around their own ideas.
Yet their experience did greatly impact the religious freedom enshrined in the First Amendment.
I find it dubious to claim that they left Leiden because they could not impose religious will there. They presented multiple reasons for eventually choosing to come to the New World.
Been to Leiden. Descended from Brewster and Hopkins families
My father’s direct ancestors are Dutch. 1809 they came to Ohio.
The Netherlands is well known for its tolerance. Did you know that Big Bird from Sesame Street has a cousin in the Netherlands named Pino?
Have always been suprise that considering thd amount of religious persecution they had suffered they were themselves very intolerant of other religious views points. Sadly this is not an uncommon thing that happens people who have been treated unfairly then turn and treat others in the same manner they were themselves treated.
Oh and yes the Mova globes look very cool but they are also a good bit out of my price range.
What they actually wanted was a place where they could practice their religion as they wished. But their story, both in terms of their persecution in England and their own persecution of others in the Massachusetts Bay Colony, greatly impacted the freedom of religion as defined in the First Amendment.
The unfortunate thing these days is a great many Christians have forgotten or deny the part about being Prohibited from establishing Government Mandated religion /practices and would use government to force others to live by their particular set of beliefs.
Intolerance as basis for new intolerance! Very true, as trauma begets trauma.
There was also a belief among my mother’s family that we had a Mayflower ancestor. So this Thanksgiving I got on the computer and started tracing our family back. Turns out I am a descendant of William Brewster. Nice when family myths turn out to be real.
My sister-in-law said that part of her family came over on the Mayflower. As horse thieves, they needed to leave England as quickly as possible.
On a side note, the Act of Departure is a correct translation but it refers to the departure from the legitimate throne of the Netherlands by having become a tyrant. He had done so by trampling on the people's inalienable right to freedom of conscience, of how to believe in god, as well as ancient rights and privileges of dealing with local matters themselves, like religion's place in the public domain.
This freedom conscience was already codified in the Union of Utrecht of 1579, where the 7 Northern Netherlands rallied around to form a union against Spain and turn the rebellion into a war. This became the de facto constitution of the Dutch Republic so there was a hard limit to interference with one's personal religion practiced in the private sphere which allowed even the catholics to congegrate.
Anyway, by declaring the king had left the throne himself by his own actions, it was not a frontal attack on the legitimacy of kings and the divine right of kings, it was merely made conditional. Over a 100 years later, the king having left the throne himself and this time physically, was also used by the Dutch to get around the legitimacy issue, this time with William III of Orange.
It might be interesting to investigate the irony of the Dutch zealous about freedom, which was heavily involved in the slave trade.
I recommend "Making Haste from Babylon: The Mayflower Pilgrims and Their World" by Nick Bunker 2010
That was fascinating and I'm not even American:-)
William Brewster decendant here #OGPilgrim
Me too. Hi distant cousin.
@@andreahughes1500 Hello, cousin. cousins. I bet there’s a lot of us.
No doubt!
Oh that's where duck duck goose came from😂
Do I understand correctly that Holland hosted an active trade in TOBACCO long before trans-Atlantic colonization? Has THG done an episode on the tobacco trade?
Tobacco was brought from the New World to Europe in the 1520s, and to the Netherlands in the 1560s. Yes, nearly fifty years later there was a tobacco trade.
I 'imagine' a Spanish-connection and 'speculate' on impacts to finance.
And this is why the cat breed known as American shorthair, should be called Nederlandsche korthaar
Fight The War ..
Only Fight Fire With More Fire Rolling Inbetween As Far As I'm Concerned or Existed...
I seriously doubt the Kenyan is related to the English pilgrims. I'd eat my hat.
My family is descended from John Bradford.
Wasn't the term "Friends" used instead of pilgrims at the time?
The “Friends” were the Quakers.
I thought “friends” was exclusive to the Quakers, but I’m not sure. Interesting question!
@@TheHistoryGuyChannel Please do a video on how to differentiate from these 2 groups. Tks.
I'm a Soule, among others. Cheers
Leiden ok thank you
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Complaining that their children were becoming loose due to contact with other groups sounds familiar.
There are plenty of characteristics some religious people have today that I wonder if Pilgrim-ism hand a hand in making so many religious people in the USA we see so strict and willing to force others to act and think like them?
Like Stealing Candy From..
Or Rob The Rich but Surely Give To The Poor..
I am a Mayflower descendent
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COVID ruined plans for the 400th anniversary three years ago.
I had no idea the Obama was a descendent of the Mayflower Pilgrims. I wonder what the Pilgrims would have thought about that.
He's as much decended from Pilgrims as I am Kenyans
Romans 8:28-30 NIV
And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
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