The Toxic Prodigy Who Was Given 7 Second Chances
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2020
- Despite being only 22, Dardoch has been on so many League of Legends rosters that it’s easier to remember which NA LCS teams he hasn’t been a part of.
From Team Liquid to Immortals, to CLG, back to Liquid, to Echo Fox, to OpTic, to TSM, to Dignitas, he's managed to play for seven different teams in just four years of being in the LCS.
And the reason why he’s jumped from team to team doesn’t have much to do with his skill as a player. Dardoch’s Achilles’ heel has always been his attitude. He's been accused of toxicity, badmouthing teammates and coaching staff, and even chewing people out mid-game.
But somehow, Dardoch keeps getting signed. He really is just that good, and at any moment, could become NA's greatest jungler.
But how many more second chances does NA's toxic prodigy really have left?
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If Dardoch had 4 copies of himself on his team, it would still be the team's fault.
Lmfao
omegalul
Holy shit that's gold
well said
Fucking universe would collapse in on itself.
The fact that Dardoch still thinks he knows better than all his teammates/coaches despite those teams immediately performing better as soon as he leaves is amazing to me.
That could also be people not wanting to play because of how he treats people. No one wants to play with someone that negative. Regardless of his skills like multiple of them say
@@BFHTTDude I'm sure the players he played with still wanted to win. I don't think they sandbagged games like "well I don't like my jg so I won't try to perform". It's just that league relies a lot on chemistry especially from the jungler who has to coordinate with all laners. So when that jg is toxic or brash or uncooperative when it comes to coaching and game plan or even teamfights then it all falls apart. I still have hope for dardoch though... he might fit in somewhere and really shine.
when ur a player that specializes in carry champions and a team pushes you to play a role that you arent comfortable with and the other carries they pushed to be the carry dont perform, you immediately blame them for not letting you be the star/carry.
CLG?
Thats up for debate honestly....i wouldn't consider TL "better", just more that every team has just gotten progressively worse
Turns out Dardoch didn't need a sports psychiatrist, he just needed a regular one.
Lmao
Especially since it isn't a sport
@@hyeboi ....eSPORTS?
@@corndog7813 hahahhaha
@@hyeboi tf you laughing about lmao, they earn more than you and your parents earn in a year in a month
“The fans are rooting for him”
No they aren’t. Almost everyone hates this dude lol
As a jg main i like the guy , mental can be improved. But atleast he wants to win.
@@Paradox2o9 that really says a lot about a competitive player if the only compliment you can give them is "At least he wants to win"
i’m 2 minutes into the video, and i already wanna beat his ass.
Dardich
@@Paradox2o9 dude you don't go pro unless you want to win. I mean that's like saying a shit chef is great because at least he likes cooking. Lmao
He’s just been collecting jerseys
Nah he's speedrunning to get on 10 different teams
lmfao
LOL
This needs to be top comment NOW 🤣🤣🤣
mans knows the real way to get money
Everyone: This time it’s different
Dardoch: *sike*
@Baxi Tabaxi so LeBron James is getting yeeted of NBA?
@Baxi Tabaxi Can't do much when you are dealing with bunch of kids on puberty though. At least in sports we are dealing with adults, and it's barely possible. True they shouldn't be given like 4+ chances though for sure.
@Baxi Tabaxi Actually Jordan didn't behave altogether differently than Dardoch has tbh. I mean he literally punched Steve Kerr at a practice, ain't exactly professional. if you are good enough at something people won't care if you are an asshole.
@Baxi Tabaxi I disagree a bit. Sure there should be minimal professional conduct but let the player trashtalk, interact with each other in a gamer way a bit, it is what made E-sports entertaining to watch. As long as it is clear that is not personal, or being toxic to the point of harassment and bullying.
Look at the Dota, the most recent 2 time TI winner is goofing off in the middle of the match, taunting other player in the middle of the tournament.
Most other team do respect them but of course they mute them so they wont get effected by taunts but it is entertaining for the rest of the people who is watching. Popping off when winning or losing is entertaining to watch. You won't get that if everyone is supposed to be 100% professional.
I am you're 1k th like
As morty once said: when you're an asshole it doesn't matter how right you are, nobody wants to give you the satisfaction.
This guy might be a genius that fully understands the game but lacked the capacity to express it without toxicity.
It's league of legends. "Genius" lol you absolute clowns. It's never "the game" that is the challenge. It's competing with other humans playing under the same rules. What the rules are don't matter. I couldn't expect much more from you anyway, looking at you use this word "toxicity" like you don't realize how much that exposes you for being someone who memorized everythign they hear about the world from the first thing they heard about any given thing. Politicians market to young people and women for a reason.
@@screwgoogle4993 read my comment again and show me the part that makes your response make any sense. My comment is a rhetorical situation explaining why tactless people are hated. He was called as toxic in the video. I didn't label him as such. So yes, I did spout something that I read on the video that you, yourself are commenting on. Next time, before you make a fool of yourself, read and understand the context of the subject first. I'm embarrassed for you.
@@screwgoogle4993 I bet you're the smartest person you know.
@@screwgoogle4993 My man really involved politcians in a subject abt LoL Lmfao.
@@screwgoogle4993 Take your meds, you're probably paranoid at the thought of muh liburuls crawling under your skin.
I was part of Dardocha original Semi Pro team, Team Imagine, and I can tell you, FROM THE START, we all knew he was toxic. His brother and mom warned us. We just cared more about his gameplay than his toxicity.
Soooo ... Was his toxicity worth his skills ?
@@ajitsen6927 he is from na what do you think
Damn, when your family tell people about your bad side, you know you’ve got some issues to deal with.
@@ajitsen6927 only up till he hit the pros. when ur not on a pro team, skills are all that matters. You gotta tolerate the toxic guy that will carry you. But once ur in the pros, ur replaceable.
@@dentedavalanche dardoch wasnt that special he was a c plus player and at best a B minus. Like he was very replaceable and without the communication the willingness to improve and work with the team that made him even worse.
“It’s not my fault no one wants to pick up Dardoch...” makes so much more sense now.
Yeah after watching this it makes all the outrage about that seem even more ridiculous. She didn't do any damage to his career. It's literally impossible to damage something that is already at 0 HP.
@@Danne1886 the outrage was about her being unprofessional, not about her being wrong
@@Axrector That's a massive generalization that's just not true. Lots of people accused her of killing Dardochs career at the time. Some people focused on the professionalism angle, but it was far from universal. I know cause I was there.
Lmfao in CS:GO if they toxic af but they still at least play in the hopes of winning I’m good 😭😭😭😭
@@melonheadcsgo9814 facts lol, look at s1mple. kid got kicked off team after team for being toxic
He’s pretty much every kid in cod that has an ego bigger than the universe itself
Except hes actually good lol
@@FirstnameLastname-yh5fb his ego was bigger
@@FirstnameLastname-yh5fb mechanically maybe, not overall he was utter garbage tbh.
i wish i could be that confident in life
@-- I hope you get how utterly stupid your comment sounds... Like what about movie, resturant, book and whatever Else critiques? What about casters, coaches or analysts?
This guy is what every non LOL player thinks an LOL player is.
@evan williams That's the gaming industry for you.
@evan williamsI've also never played league but I'll never make a comment as dumb as yours
@evan williams I tried it, wasn’t for me. I’m more into shooters, LoL is actually pretty hard to get good at. However the game looks pretty meh and it’s pretty boring. But it’s not an easy game tbh, that’s why most play the game.
@evan williams idk why anyone over 5 plays fortnite, but here we are.
@@josh1234567892 because it has one of the biggest prize pools in video game history. Average age for a fortnite pro is 16 years too (which is the youngest out of any game but shhhh)
make that eight second chances
Lmfao
Man was waiting his whole life to make this comment
what happened?
@@gabss142 he got kicked off Dignitas
@@tegansumei9772 for his behavior?? jesusss
There are single player competitive games if you can't stand having a team like RTS games and fighting games. In those games there's no other person to blame, except for lag, you can always blame lag.
Also possible to blame your keyboard + mouse or controller if lag aint cutting it out for you
I wanna watch him play fighting games.
Don't forget to blame the devs too
@@downsjmmyjones101 he'd be a Law main in tekken I'm 100% sure
Why switch games when NA could just stop doing the stupid plays that they do?
He should just play single player games instead
Seems like he can be a great top laner lol
@@avedji and he will learn you can't win lane 100% of the time.
he’d be great at fortnite he already toxic
but then he would have no one to blame beside himself...and he won't enjoy the game due to his massive ego
Single player games help me wind down after siege, so yeah I agree
How can you be intimidated by this kid, he's like 90 lbs
Look at them all they’re all small.
It’s more a self control they are pros and have a filter to how they act.
Would’ve been smacked the shit out him lmao
@@sparks1792 and your career would have been smacked the shit out of as well.
Pretty sure when you're playing on stage you don't give a flying fuck about what the player looks like but the way they influence other teammates.
There is no saving this guy. The only people who are still behind him are people who behave like him because they can relate to him, and they need to relate to someone with a certain level of success. And as long as there will be people that validate him like that, he will not improve as a human being. And since he's reached critical mass fandom-wise (or at least when it comes to that sort of fan), there will always be people validating him.
So yeah, it's a wrap.
underrated comment
prodigy is not the proper term to attach to dardoch after his career
why did u have to kill him like that lmfaooo
He is a prodigy. A prodigy in toxicity and running it.
He's a prodigy but he doesn't know how to not be toxic
If you saw his first few years, he was a prodigy.
he is a failed prodigy, he is(or at least was) very talented in game
If the toxic jungler that types "team diff" after every game had a face...
Only if they're losing, if they were winning it would've been "jungle diff"
imagine typing "team diff" in any circumstances lmao. like if it's team diff, the team that deserved it won. working as intended. wtf
@@TheOzumat "Team diff" means everyone besides the person who is saying it, ie. "my team sucked", doesn't include yourself
@@TheOzumat how is it not teamdiff when your team has combined 40 deaths 🤡
@@nothingisitchingme5874
Found the guy who types team diff when he’s the reason his team has 20 of those 40 combined deaths
The real issue isn't Dardoch. It's the teams never learning and giving him 7 chances in the first place. Like why would they think their team would be any different? You'd think after like the 3rd time they'd learn.
People tend to expect guys at the age he started to grow up at some point. Even most people with egos tend to learn that their teams perform better if they keep the atmosphere up, so their temper tantrums aren't worth it. But I guess the dude is exceptional, in a bad way
I mean, the dude was legit good at the game. I daresay he was one of the best (in NA) at his peak. Now if I learned anything about watching eSports, or just sports in general, it's that even if a player has the ego of the entire population of the world, as long as they can produce results, then the teams would completely accept it. Of course that doesn't rid them of accountability but it is what it is. What amuses me is that, he has proven time and again that he can't produce results, yet the teams still gambled that he could pull it off. It's like playing Russian roulette but instead of there being only one bullet, the gun is fully loaded and the only failsafe is to not pull the trigger.
He got so many "second" chances because he had the good fortune to be born in NA. NA as a region is so starved for native talent, teams were willing to roll the dice on him over and over. League of Legends NA teams are generally based around having a couple of good enough players that are either from North America or have a green card/got grandfathered in as a native, and then bringing in talented imports.
If Dardoch was in regions like KR, CN, or even EU, he would have been finished after his first time acting like a dumbass because teams in those regions can easily find talented players that aren't a complete headache.
@@Erideah Nope. You can’t blame his personality and shitty behavior on his young age.
This is exactly the reason why guys can get away with so much, they keep getting people like you that constantly make excuses or explanations. Even if you’re not defending him, you’re defending people that act like them and that’s even worse.
@@PhysicallyAwake You realize I made an observation purely on what people tend to expect, why people gave many chances, in the narrow context of the specific comment I responded to? There is absolutely no excuse for his behavior in there, based on age or otherwise. I know, because the only subjective note I added was "exceptional in a bad way"
tbh, Dardoch seems like the kind of person who would be more fit for a solo esport, like maybe a fighting game or something
1 split with TSM and he gets cut. Then they promote the guy below you from the Academy team and guess what?That dude sweeps you in playoffs and takes the team not only to worlds but to a championship. "Karma" He needs to get out of his own way.
You mean that time TSM went 0-6 in group stage?
How did they do at worlds?
@@somersault1123 that worlds forced bjerg and dlift to retire.
Welp. They had better not go to worlds again then
Ooh I've heard of this guy's name being mentioned in the LoL subreddit but never knew what the deal was, good informative video.
Go watch breaking point right now
How did you hear it on Subreddit? Probably read.
@@dimitriostsiamouras8251 an alternate definition of "hear" is "to be informed of" or "be aware of; know of the existence of."
"I heard of _____" does not necessarily mean the information was transmitted through audio, despite the etymology of the word.
"I read about" would probably be inaccurate in this situation because it implies a certain degree of depth in reading (such as reading a full article).
In this case, OP is saying that they have seen references to Dardoch in passing, without reading into further details.
Thus, OP "heard of" Dardoch.
@@dimitriostsiamouras8251 Imagine being so pretentious you argue about semantics
@@dimitriostsiamouras8251 you just got schooled 🤣
Doesn't matter how good you are, if you have a massive ego you'll never get anywhere. There's a difference between passion(wanting to win)and downright toxicity, talking down on your teammates.
This is a very naive take. In the real world, the assholes will often win because the society is immoral and degenerate. I’m not just talking about people with bad attitudes, but people who actually behave like criminals and hurt others. How long did Harvey Weinstein operate? How about Bobby Kotick? Vince McMahon? Nearly every major politician?
The truth is that people will overlook a hell of a lot IF you’re producing money. Even criminal acts. They’ll tolerate it and bank it, and if and when the asshole stumbles, shows a moment of weakness, they’ll dump the banked up dirt and use it to remove them, usually because it profits them to do so. It is rare that you’ll see a person willing to take the hit by exposing assholes when they still have the benefit of production. That’s because they know people will do everything to keep the gravy train running, and you are now threatening it.
Dardoch’s error was he was an asshole in the realm of teams, where an individual’s contribution is blunted. If he was in a solo competitive field, or in a position of authority, he might’ve gone a long way before he sunk himself.
yup, he should just stick with solo things and not be on teams. people like him and my former roommates, they never get anywhere even if they are talented in something. they restart and then fail in an everlasting cycle and blame everyone else for their failures.
*7 second chances*
Taps mic: *I think we're beyond the "second" chance here, lads.*
"The fans are rooting for him"..
No...no we aren't. The Fans are sick and tired of pros with bad attitudes being given chance after chance after chance while there are tons of undiscovered potential rookies out there. We are also sick of watching the same washed up pro's hop from team to team to team for the same reasons.
North America isn't going to ever be a real competitive region until they start actually developing young talent and stop putting up with players bullshit and start running themselves like professional sports organizations. These kids are being paid salaries that gamers for decades could only even fantasize about. Either perform and keep your attitude in check, or GTFO for someone hungrier that will.
Im not really surprised that a NA esports team is being mismanaged. It seems to be our specialty. Mismanaging everything.
Are you saying that there’s a classism thing going on in NA eSports? Nice to know that it exists in every facet of our society
Attitudes like this guy is what happens when you call playing video games a sport (joking but i see too many people take this way to serious so i gotta make my comment as clear as possible)
@@jc8153 low IQ take, congrats
dardoch: "I want to win!"
Also dardoch: "I ONLY WANT TO 1v9 hurr DURR"
Also "I'm happy on my team now (Dig)"
*instantly gets double eliminated in playoffs as 8th seed*
I thought that was funny, "I just want to win" apparently means "I want my teammates to do what I say, when I say it, without hesitation, and no disagreements or I WILL throw a fit"
The really interesting thing to me is when people is toxic it’s an inherent deferral of blame from their own self: they excuse themselves from the issue and contribute it to others. He often chalks up his behavior to “giving 110% to what he thinks” as opposed to thinking critically or conscientiously as to what he did and can improve. Sort of a complacency since he thinks he is so good (and he is) that makes him fail to consider himself and quick to be others.
It simply comes to mentality and mind state and he chooses to teeter on arrogance due to habit. Toxicity is hard to escape but comes from lack of self discipline and patience.
His fault for not communicating with his team. He just expects people to read his mind and gets mad after he throws when he could just communicate the play before.
"Dardoch's Achilles' heels"
Thats the thing with Dardoch. He thinks he's Achilles when he's not
His heels are apparently huge lmao
He's one of the top jglers NA, which isn't saying much but hey that's something.
@@zhenyucai8688 better than nothing
@@zhenyucai8688 he is farming his ego all the time that's why he is one of the top jungler in NA
To be fair though. It's easy to see yourself as Achilles when you play correctly in a dogshit region like NA that plays the game so wrong.
seems like a nice guy someone should give him an eighth chance :^)
LMFAO
I actually didnt know how toxic he was until they showed voice comms. yikes imagine being around the 24/7...
Dardoch was shit talking Olleh.
No one ever had a reason to shit talking Olleh. He's one of the most kind players in the scenario.
Just shows how much of an asshole Dardoch was.
I agree, dododoc seems like a gentleman. He would be perfect for twitch and everyone donating money to him.
And other hilarious jokes you can tell your friends!
"I I I, me me me."
That's his problem: he's treating a team effort like it was a solo endeavor.
I disagree. It's actually exactly the opposite. He understands that his teammates can't be running NA strategies in Worlds and that they shouldn't even run them in NA so that they're used to running real plays come Worlds time. I see him as the least selfish player in NA.
Dardoch being called a prodigy is an overstatement of his abilities.
i feel like you are being a little biased here
i too was wondering why he chose to use the word 'prodigy' in the title, as dardoch was extremely underwhelming from the start. i don't think anyone ever actually thought this was a capable player. if i had to take a guess by his attitude and performance after watching this video he's just another copy and paste suburban kid who is prescribed adderal and is allowed to outperform his peers through a performance enhancing drug alone; and when it came time to actually be consistent and build a career out of this he just flopped and exposed that he was nothing more than a raging junkie.
If he can’t respect his teammates then he’s not a good player
If teammates are making mistakes, then fuck them
The video doesnt explain if his attitude is justified or not, but from what i've seen of him on streams, he is a good agressive player and matches my own preferred playstyle
@@brushboss99 It's ultimately a team game, especially on a pro level. You need people skills. You need respect. It doesn't matter if the anger is justified, you can be frustrated without creating a toxic environment. The difference between letting frustration hinder you and letting it motivate you is huge.
@@brushboss99 wow people aren't perfect? INSANE
@@brushboss99 Like, that doesn't matter. You can always have your own style when you are playing alone, but when you play with others, you have to synergize. Also as metas change, you have to change. You can't be playing the same style over years without anything getting for it and say its everyone else's fault.
@@brushboss99 L
the proper term is Ego Lord, he’s a slightly more professional NA Tarzaned... 😂
Tarzaned has more than enough skill to back up his ego
Austin Newhart you’re delusional if you think tarzaned is a better jungler then dardoch
@@ovs4744 have you watched their games against each other? Have you seen Dardoch be rank 1 this year? Or last year? Have you seen Dardoch beat Clid, Tian, Jankos, Tarzan? You can go to Tarzaned's channel and see that lol
Austin Newhart ah yes beating pro’s in soloqueue on a role where you barely fight 1v1 means a lot. Tarzaned can’t even play lee sin cuz he doesn’t have mechanics. There’s a reason why no team ever picked up tarzaned when he was at scouting grounds
@@ovs4744 Honestly dardoch isn't even that good even tyler1 can probably outjungle him.
Ok I’m a hairdresser and I had a client who I had to fire for just being a Karen and she told me I was the 3rd stylist to do that to her. If you can’t put together that you’re the problem after so many people have dropped you or told you to your face that you have a crappy attitude, then you need to reevaluate you’re entire situation. Thanks for listening to my Ted talk
Dardoch is doing well in LCS atm. Not gonna hype him up with how many opportunities he's gotten to succeed and failed. People may accept him as a possible strong top tier player if he reaches and does well at a finals at least.
Dardoch: "You turned the fans against me"
Lena: "You have done that yourself"
@@diamondfrieza5391 I will do what I must
@@diamondfrieza5391 didnt expect u to reply after a year lol
This is how I imagine Tarzaned's career would've gone if he had made it to the pro level. So many similarities in their toxicity and egocentric personalities.
The fact he didn't go pro is a tip-off itself that it just doesn't work to be abrasive
@@iyankku Just no. Not everyone wants to go pro. Show me when Tarzaned has ever stated that he did. Not everyone wants that kind of fame and pressure, and streamers earn more than pro players on average.
I'm not defending the guy here by the way, i neither like nor watch him, just saying your comment makes no sense.
@@christofferrasmussen6533 being a less abrasive individual might have opened him up to higher-level play opportunities. Instead he's knowing as a toxic solo queue player most of the time, it's practically a self-fulfilling prophecy. Players other players don't like playing with generally don't get hired to play professionally
Tarzaned could easily go pro . The MAns a beast and we can’t say no
@@thejohn76767 Lmao he would get kicked out of any team. So no.
Excellent video. Very well done. More content like this.
this is a good case-study that shows talent does not show inherent development mentally, the fact he cant work on himself shows an inability to change. He probably good have gone on to be a GOAT of the game but instead he chooses to stay in what is a mindset that holds him back. That in itself shows hes not as good as he chats about.
Liquid - Echo fox - Optic - Clg - Imt - Tsm -Dig
Like cmon bro, he went on 7 team already lol
Its C9,100T,Fly,Ggs and Eg left
Edit add Eg and Ggs
Don’t forget ggs.
he wasnt on 100t, c9, fly, EG, GG
@@vincentma7778 he said that these teams are left to join, not that he has been in them
7 teams in like what 5 years? 😂😂😂
Dardoch: joining different teams.
Goldenglue & Apollo: My perfect rival.
This dude had a legit future as an analyst. He is so articulate and I think that’s where he could really shine and actually have a long lasting position on the broadcast. I’ve seen enough of him on teams, bring in some new NA talent and give them a chance to shine
thats the thing, NA is so starved of native talent that they gave him 7 chances hoping the new dice roll would work out lol
People like you are the reason trump got elected president and Putin has literal fanbois among the russian youths.
0:38 this is a reality check that a lot of these kids need to have. It's such sweet justice that when he was booted their performance soared. No words could reach him, but seeing that probably hit deep.
After a certain point, people should be, and are, written off. From the end of the video nothing's changed, and half the reason people still support him is from leagues obscene shift from a pretty good environment back in the early seasons to fanboying and enabling personalities like ratirl, Korea's go next mentality and attitude, etc.
It seems like Dardoch was an incredibly talented player and because of that teams tried to tolerate him. As long as you demonstrate value even if you're asshole,, people will want to work with you. But being toxic for so long can get you so far.
Dardoch also had the good fortune to be born in a region that has a smaller playerbase than the other major regions and is starved for good "native" talent. If Dardoch is from a region with a much deeper talentpool to choose from, he wouldn't have gotten so many chances.
Just send him to a team that has all toxic teammates. Either he will realize his ways clearly isn't working or find a home to fit in, because unless he's not willing to change, then he should stick to solo queue.
Scared Straight: LCS Edition
4:46 Dardoch getting interviewed by Loco is hilarious after what happened in Breaking Point.
im not a league player, what happened in breaking point?
@@ericnawamusic go watch it, really good insight
@@ericnawamusic breaking point a team liquid documentary on that split I how everything went to shit . Even if u don't know anything about League, if u like esports, that's an amazing insight on how playing in a disfuncional team might be, regardless of "game" .
@@ericnawamusic pretty much all of the footage from Dardoch on TL in this video is from breaking point, and Loco was his coach that split. The "I disagree with Loco 100% - everything that comes out of his mouth came out of his ass first" is from breaking point. Then he's talking about how he's "reformed" to Locos face. Lol
@@thomasotten4876 I mean NA doesn't even know how to play the games lol. So he must be talking out of his ass if he's trying to give pointers.💁
This is why he sat alone in school.
I've thought this for yearssss, great video
Now that without him, TSM made it to worlds, and even won the split.
That's how bad he was, damn.
he was not the problem tho. They were forced into the worst drafts ever and the coaching staff were abysmal. Thats literally the reason why Kobbe left tsm and NA altogether and went back to the LEC. The reason tsm won the split now is cuz DL is back and has more say in what goes on in their drafts.
@@TheKevin899 true lmao these fanboys just forgot why kobbe left them for LEC and now when the same happened to dardoch they only bad mouth dardoch not kobbe
@@TheKevin899 kobbe got kicked lol
@@ralphjohnticsay8771 wtf are you stupid? Koobe was remove from the main rooster and left because he wanted a main role on the team but it was given to DL. Kobe never left them TSM ditched him so i think you should learn facts.
"left because he wanted a main role ..." , "never left ..."
- i think your statement is contradicting itself hmmmmm i guess he really left since you said it yourself
Leena: "no one wants to pick up Dardoch."
also Leena: "Damn Lenovo"
Also Leena: "There's no conflict of interest because normally I don't discuss [in front of Doublelift] when stream is on."
@@10tothe10088 who would lmao. You don't discuss current internal team problems in public
@@Darkstormsun9865 but she did, she told stream no one wanted to sign dardoch which could fuck him over and make other teams interested back off.
@@Daniel_Clem pretty sure nobody is interested in dardouche
@@r6guy dude that's not the point and he did sing with dig.
I want to make a game that intentionally replicates the feeling that League seems to give, of people being more angry at their teammates than their opponents, but somehow makes that as a mechanic kinda outrageous and fun
Its warhammer, everyone is ork nobz trying to bully their team to be the big boss. Its not toxic if it's mechanically sound, and lore friendly? Also comms are required to be a bad cokney hooligan impersonation.
I feel like theres a trend of when somebody is having one scandal after another we just forget about it after a while and stop caring. Toxic people get away with so much stuff if they do not care about their mistake. It becomes a "yeah what did you expect from dardoch" kinda thing
Like what EDP445 is TRYING to do and what Dream did.
Wish he had that same confidence without the ego- could’ve gone a long way. Doublelift used to be toxic too, but only when he started believing in his teams did he start winning all those trophies.
Doublelift being toxic to me is more like just him playing the character people have given him in the past. Dardoch on the other hand...
@@marvinamor1330 doublelift being toxic is just expected at this point, and its a toxic where he has the long ass experience of like 10 plus years on his belt
I wouldn't say DL is toxic he seems to be way more calm and mellowed down since his younger toxic days, he trash talks sure but that's not the worse thing
@Julio cuz hes not even good enough to get to worlds KEKW
"all those trophies"
Illya brzygalov - "It's only a game, why you have to be mad?"
I still come back to this frequently. Hard to believe someone threw away such a promising career for an entirely undeserved ego he refused to get checked until it was too late.
i dont follow LoL, hell I don’t even know what I’m watching when I see league, but I do understand that this dardoch guy is incredibly toxic, how is he doing today? Is he still extremely toxic and hated or nah?
@@solarft same. I googled it and he got dropped like a bad habit. He now works as a "free agent" and coaches for the immortals. His career as a player seems over.
@@alexcisneros2980 damn, guess his toxicity caught up with him, hope he isn’t toxic towards the players on his team
This is what happens when a narcissist gains a little bit of notoriety for anything they do. Had he gotten any bigger in fame, he would feel even more justified in his attitude and way of thinking. The problem with the gaming community as a whole, is that you can always find a community of like minded individuals that will huddle around someone like him and say "You're totally right Dardoch. Those people are idiots!"
Reminds me of people who like lowteirgod
Like just total assholes full of excuses
It’s good that he’s able to stand up for his play style but if you’re toxic it’s not good for anyone.
The thing with that comment was he would play on teams with the actual best players in NA history and would never play a supportive role to them. His ego wouldn’t let him get carried by the best and it would cost the team. He’s such a troll
@@nickms2365 Best players in NA = trash. NA = trash.
@@somersault1123 you think he would be different if he was on SKT? LUL he probably would be flaming faker when he doesnt give him the kill when he ganks
@@nickms2365 He also was one of the best players himself, if we are talking about pure skill, so I don’t get your comment.
@@theancientone1616 yeah when he played on trash teams maybe, but i was talking about when playing with people like bjerg and DL, he was never near their level
"Fans are rooting for him", he has no fans lol
im his fan
Mia stop making shit up.
He has fans but they might have something in common with him ;)
@@hattercatmeowingtons fan of a loser lul
@@Duke6598 says the hard stuck bronze
Dardoch: retires
Everyone: finally
After all those years I’m surprised his attitude hasn’t changed. Very immature of him, he probably needs some anger management
WATCH TEAM LIQUIDS 'BREAKING POINT' HOUR LONG DOC ABOUT THEIR SEASON OF IMPLOSION.
It's such a good documentary I would highly recommend
Better yet watch Monte watch breaking point
They used clips of it, you think they haven’t watched it?
@@caillet14 ...this comment is to tell the people watching this video to watch breaking point?
@Baxi Tabaxi Michael Jordan was a total dick though. I mean this dude ain't Jordan by a long shot but "professional standards" are bound to be somewhat arbitrary in such innately competitive environments.
Feels bad when this guy gets 7 second chances while dopa is still banned lol.
Benny Liu why is he banned
Short story: for elo boosting in KR. To know more you can search about him on youtube
I was wondering when this comment was going to pop up. Both players are toxic AF, but only one of them was blatantly ELO boosting without a care in the world. He deserves every bit of his thousand year ban.
Dopa boosted openly. He's never getting free from Alcatraz
@@LucianDevine Dopa isn't toxic tho, he used to be competitive in S3, shitted on every international and korean pro player who tried to reach the top of the ladder but let the top for Faker.
He made a lot of money elo boosting but that isn't a big of a deal, it's KR, all accounts fall fast to where they belong.
Also, Riot knows what he does, they paid him after he achieved the top of the super server.
i prefer to play with a bad/mediocre player that actually tries to win and it's not toxic at all than playing with ones of those "prodigys" who think they are the center of the world
The title sounds like it is describing the primary antagonist of a sports anime.
Daniel: "The fans are rooting for him"
Me: What fans? Nobody is rooting for this toxic player. Lol
He has a few fans because of how he spoke up against Loco and Piglet, who almost got TL delegated into the challenger series during their time there
I'm a big fan of him. He's my favorite league player in the world. I see someone who is so passionate about winning he doesnt care what he has to do to get there.
I'm a fan. I want to see him fully reform and find some success. As a TSM fan I had high hopes for the pairing, but attitude aside he made LOTS of mechanical mistakes that season.
@@theninjaofmusic You're a complete moron if you think being such a toxic prick means he's "passionate about winning".
@@stevenishizu2645 Dude, he's been in over 7 teams and they have ALL said the same. Leena, the TSM president, flatout said that no one wanted to take him.
Garbage like him will NEVER reform. They deserve to get permanently banned from the game.
Just put him on a team with 4 other toxic plays and it may work out.
@Baxi Tabaxi If someone is playing like an autist, you call them out for it.
the fact that he has been allowed to play so long shows that riot truly does not care about the toxicity of the game anymore
Riot fucking LOVE the toxicity. It's a wild goose chase they get to look like saints for pursuing, but they have no intention of ever fixing it for good. If they ever want good publicity they just make a hollow attempt to curb it and call it a day.
You could say the same about Blizzard when it comes to Overwatch…
At first I thought the title was saying they were giving him seven seconds to get back on track
This guy is just like the hot crazy girl from school, everyone wants to try it out until they find out that shit is a mess and just want to get outta there
I remember getting flamed on reddit for saying he'd never get better. I always give people the benefit of the doubt, but I've also met and dealt with people exactly like him. They don't change when you keep giving them chances, he needs to truly suffer in life to think outside his ugly constructed reality. He's a coddled manchild, he doesn't know how to self examine. People like him have to go to dark places to understand their own shortcomings.
that doesn't work at times either sadly.
I don't agree. Sometimes all it takes is realizing how unhappy you are as a person. It doesn't take dark times. Just a simple realization, and therefore a motivation to change.
@@coldrelite6368 that is true. but when habit kicks in, that motivation gets drowned out and they are stuck in their toxic negative ways. met too many people like that and no matter what happened, they never changed for the better. well, one is living a better life and changed for the better after realization, but the rest...still struggling and will always remain toxic ignorant people that bring others down and stay miserable no matter how happy they think they are.
@@stanclark8824 They know they aren't happy. And they very well could change, and probably will. Most people reflect on their life when they get to a certain age, and they realize how pathetic it was. and they change. I don't see how it's fit for you to say they will never change. What a boring perspective.
Reddit flames you no matter what you say.
Merely agreeing with someone who has 20k upvotes, will get you 20k downvotes.
this is on the math game prodigys tag
Apparently he is a head coach now, sounds like a fun experience for the players involved.
Now that everything's calmed down I'm glad people are realizing Lena wasn't really giving out mind-blowing information. I think a lot of people misunderstood and didn't know much about him so they thought she was just being rude or overdramatic.
I'm a Dota 2 player but I think we have the same "most toxic pro" His name is "EternalEnvy". And by god he is the most toxic "pro" of all time. He literally throws tournament games. Creates a bunch of bullshit teams, despite him playing so bad he kicks other players. But for me the worst that he's done is when one of his teammates family bought plane tickets to watch their son's tournament. He kicked that teammate prior to the tournament despite him being the reason they always lose.
Amazing, honestly I’m not surprised this video about a toxic prodigy involves league of legends.
This man child was never disciplined as a child.
No one said it better than leena: “no one wants dardoch”
I feel like the scene just tried to save him because they took him out of school and if he ends up in a rehab centre at 19 it would've been a really bad look 😄😄😄
@Baxi Tabaxi This punk? bro if you are 40 please don't comment on shit alright?
@@weatherreport7822 if you have the maturity of a 10 year old, dont play online games
@@weatherreport7822 so why bring up age here? like how is it relevant lol
@@weatherreport7822 yean he's a little punk is there a problem bud?
@@jeanxza5395
I got you, I'll translate.
Aye yo, that sht wasmt very cash money.
He’s just grinding to get the ‘every jersey’ achievement
3:06 Never heard a big shot boss talking to a trouble making employee so calmly.
this video made me realize how dardoch is similar to forg1ven.
But forgiven>dardoch and basically dardoch seems better and forgiven won't ever do that
What happened to forg1ven
@@freeloguy3387 i think there's a vid on him. But TLDR from what I remember, Best ADC EU during prime, developed a cocky/arrogant/toxic attitude towards teammates that didn't let him play his style -very 1v9- Left for military service, came back with the same attitude and views on the game despite not producing the same results.
@@freeloguy3387 He was so good for like three seasons, but ego went so bad he was calling out teammates on twitter.
This guy just needs to learn how to be a part of a team. He has absolutely no people skills. Terrible to watch.
same prob like IWD (i know he has a lot of fanboys but he was still a toxic fuck), Forgiven, the list goes on
Indignation92 riot don't punish toxicity. At least, i gets iwd being toxic for stream, or in matches which he got int. But in a pro team, it's different.
@@thanhlam8763 Agreed. On a pro team, it's work. It should be treated as such.
NA lol has no teams only a bunch of clowns that keeps falling apart when it comes to world's.
@Baxi Tabaxi Does it matter? NA teams are all jokes anyways. It's like the NA soccer team man always getting Ls.
You are not the best at something in a team game when you cant stay on a team. If you are the best people wants to play with you not against you. And dont mistake being toxic with being passionate. If you are passionate about something you can discuss and argue your point without ending relationships.
It sounds like this Dardoch dude is literally the IRL version of Lightning McQueen.
sick
Obviously the “TSM Lina” situation is unprofessional/horrible and no player should be treated that way. And in no way am I saying dardoch isn’t a good player in his own right but at the same time, if you A.) think you know better than 6-7 teams worth of players and coaches. B.) waste your talent and invest all your talent in big mouthing, but in this case you’re no where near doublelift level. And C.) still somehow doesn’t change your way. That’s on you, like he said himself “This game is all on you guys”. But in this case, “game” being his career and “you guys” being dardoch himself.
I don’t think he invested in bad mouthing that’s just who he is. He wont stop being toxic because he literally can’t that’s is personality, he needs therapy because this didn’t stem from league.
Whoa, mclovin plays league now
Lmao
The joke would make sense if is really "now" but having the same joke since 2013 makes it shitty
dardochs coach: there’s no i in team
dardoch: but there is a me
I feel its either you get no chance or you get a million, there is no middle ground
Meanwhile Thorin :
Leena destroyed Dardoch's career
that's always been so funny to me. Like yeah it was unprofessional her saying that got out, but its dardoch lol. Shes saying nobody wants him, so clearly before ever saying anything she tried finding a team but nobody wanted him. So how do her comments ruin his career when his attitude over several opportunities has led to nobody wanting him at all in the first place
Dig is a good spot for him IMO. let him try to 1v9 carry games with subpar players. He does not deserve to play on a team with actual talented players anymore IMO, he has had enough chances no top team should ever bother risking it again to pick him up.
I imagine Thorin feels some level of sympathy because he recognizes himself in Dardoch. Just a couple angry, yelly boys.
Thorin just has a hard on for finding faults with TSM. He has some personal vendetta against them for some reason
Dardoch himself said that he isn't mad yet Thorin knows better then him
Thorin will find any excuse to hate on tsm that's what he does he a fucking man-child. So many people have stopped watching Dom's crackdown episodes because of him I read the comments and so many are asking for him to leave. He's delusional af.
Dardoch is like FORG1VEN after coming back from military
Edit: except FORG1VEN knew when he needed a break
just by looking at his team history you can already tell
he sounds like every 17 year that burnt fries on his shift
Hahaha before the Leena incident everyone was flaming her for ruining Dardochs career, its finally nice to see that Dardoch burned his own career with his toxicity.
Mate. He's chilling on DIG. He handled the Leena situation perfectly aswell. Things are looking good for the man :)
yep he's done more than enough damage to his own career let's be honest
as one not really following this game and its esports scene, i thought her incident was just bad manners/business
but with this video, i also am now clear as to why.
no error on Leena's part at all. none.
Dardoch’s career was already down the pan, he was horrific on TSM so it was already quite clear they wanted him gone
@@bakedmomo5693 you missed the entire reason that situation was controversial in the first place...
I worked on the team that brought Dardoch to into the esports scene (Team Imagine). From the start, his talent was only ever exceeded by his toxic attitude. Its a shame that was nearly 6 years ago.
Matthew Torres I also worked on that team 6 years ago
KidTrigger Same, i think i remember you too
I also worked there!
I worked there when I was a fetus!
Matthew Pundamiera yeah i remember you all in this thread what a crazy coincidence haha
He needs to listen to Lee "master yourself, master the enemy."
Sounds like an eagle surrounded by turkeys...
Dardoch is what Tarzaned would look like if he played in LCS
I just don't get how he doesn't understand that he was truly the problem after all these times because after he leaves, almost every team improved.
For every failure, there's hundreds of other problems that add up to it. I am not defending Dardoch, I just don't think it's fair to blame all the issues on him. Likewise I don't think it's fair to attribute a team's success to his departure.
@@narhwallord6985 But it's happened so many times. And we have a lot of behind of the scenes info to go on.
That hasn't been the case for like 3 years lmao.
Echo fox disbanded after he left, Optic rebranded into Immortals and they still suck after he left, TSM wasn't looking great either until DL decided to take a bunch of weight off of Bjersen's back (but yeah, massive improvement after that).
If you watched their games, you'd know Dignitas was looking like an actually good team towards the end of summer until they decided to bench Lourlo in favor of the Riven onetrick.
No matter how good he is, he can't get to the top without a team.
If he's a pro, he should know this. If he doesn't get it, just get rid of him and no one will care. It will all be his fault.
I first thought they gave him a chance for 7 seconds