Hybrid Drives As Fast As Possible
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- If you're trying to decide between a fast but expensive SSD, and a slower but cheaper and more spacious HDD, could hybrid drives be a good compromise?
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Who the hell is Hybrid and why is he driving so fast?
A prius
V6 hybrid F1 :)
Good guy linus always ending the video with "speaking of"
Still to this day man
LMFAO
Hey man your PFP is familiar, who's that
How a Linus is made as slow as possible
that would be 6570+ hours length video
+Agito When a mommy Linus and a daddy Linus love each other very much...
Are you asking for a LTT porno?
+zyx precisely
+zyx he is asking for a Lttf and Lttm porn
in my country there is a negligible difference in price between SSHD and ssd, a 2.5 inch Sata ssd is just $5 more than a Sata SSHD so it's better to choose ssd over this gimmicky SSHD
Linus shows a NewEgg screenshot instead of NCIX... I guess he burned his bridges!
VWestlife rip ncix
Ncix was closing already
VWestlife watches Linus?
I upgraded my Ps4 with an SSHD. Way too good when loading into a match faster than anyone.
$120 for SSHD. 1TB with 32GB Flash
For $90 you can get a 128GB SSD and 1TB 7200RPM.
I want 240GiG SSD :V
FiNiTe I still got 30GB on my ssd and 600 gb on my hdd. SSD is 128GB and HDD is 1TB
+JordanYT for $220 you can get a 1TB ssd :D
+hebbocake Did you forget the major point of an SSHD in a laptop?
+JordanYT I have had nothing but bad experiences with SSHD drives.. They seemed soo slow even though after a good portion of time of use. I had a SSHD drive in my laptop, and I was so frustrated, that I bought a Samsung Evo 850 as soon as I could, as now using that SSHD as an external drive. I could be unlucky, that maybe I only have tried bad quality SSHD's though.. I can't remember the brand/model of my SSHD
Huh. That's new. "No Views."
Speedy Gonzalez? Is that you?
it takes time for youtube to process and verify the views
@@jorionedwards + no
How to get a fucking gold star as fast as possible
once again Linus saves the day. I freaking love you dude you always have the exact video to explain exactly what I need to know. There's a sale on a 7200 rpm sshd on new egg right now and I was looking to upgrade anyway but wanted to know the deal before buying. Thank you for being awesome.
"all that unfinished fanart" i feel personally attacked
Spam as fast as posible.
Did you just post the same comment? He already has a video on that.
+Bradval411 spam as fast as possible
+Ivan Cossio It's salted meat BOOM
Double tap! We are saying random crap, right?
+Ivan Cossio as fast as possible as fast as possible
I use both an ssd and mechanical drive in my laptop. simply remove the DVD drive and install a HDD caddy in its place. it's still sata 6 gigabit so no bottlenecks
+Mitchell Theobald right because the HDD is it's own bottleneck lol
That's...actually... I GOTTA GET MY LAPTOP RN! BRB!
That's...actually... I GOTTA GET MY LAPTOP RN! BRB!
Wow
@@thecocooreo Yet has faster transfer rate than SSD. Weird!
so if i wanted a hybrid drive to launch a particular game super fast i'd have to "train" it by running that application a few times? And it'd forget if I ran a different game a few times? Sorry ...my storage solutions trying to be "smart" and ultimately "cache-ing" certain files to the flash memory sounds fucking stupid. Hybrid drives might be good for office documents but they SOUND utterly garbage for anything else.
Yep. And they are EXPENSIVE. A decent 1TB SSHD will set you back around 80-90 bucks as of late, while you can get a 1TB HDD and a 120GB SSD for around the same price. You can "cache" the data yourself, score some extra storage, have a backup drive and killer durability, since you use the SSD for a few large files with fast reads and the HDD for smaller files which you don't read as much, and constantly write new files.
watching this in 2020 and hybrid drives are no longer being used because SSDs are cheap now xD
Just got a 1tb hybrid drive for $70 with 1-3gb speed, they are less common now but they are still around
xorkatoss just bought a shit ton of firecudas because they’re good drives, people are still buying even though SSDs are cheap
Yess ...now i am geeting sshd in good price
Cheap my arsh! SSD are still over $100 and for very small amount of storage. You can get double or triple the size with SSHD with about the same price.
I love the WD dualdrive for laptops. You get a 120 gig ssd and a 1 tb hdd. And you can set them up as two different drives in the OS. Plus it only takes up one 2.5 inch slot. I throw them in older laptops all the time, though they have recently gone up a lot in price, I suspect it's been discontinued
Ah, the "Speaking of ________" segue.
Truly, a classic.
Yeah Hybrid Drive died off the face of the faster then they became recognized and popular for 1 of two reasons:
1. SSDs are just better cause they don't die unlike the garbage Hybrid Drives that fall apart due to their cheapness in 3 months in which cause an HDD is better but its nit because of the 2nd reason
2. SSDs have came a really long way and are now really really cheap in price and don't cost as munch as they used to 5-6 years ago now where 2023 and mSATA for a 1TB SSDs just cost around a $100 or less now adays and I except them to get cheaper from on here so theres no need for a Sh!tty Hybrid Drive to exist and being a Half-A** Garbage HDD + SSD when you have the real thing for going alot cheaper now adays.
Cool technology, but with SSDs being as cheap as they are now, kinds of pointless.
I'm using the WD Black^2. It's amazing. I got it for around $150 off a Newegg sale. I highly recommend because it has 128GB flash and 1TB HDD.
Can you do a comparison of an SSD on Sata I, Sata II, and Sata III
The Everyicated Gamer can you link me the video?
+Camilo Morrice Why on earth would you plug a SSD on a SATAI or II connection...?? :)
+Ilannguaq Kivioq if your motherboard does not support SataII or Sata III
Camilo Morrice You're joking, right?
+Ilannguaq Kivioq can't be that hard to understand can it. My motherboard only supports Sata I and Sata II. I would like to know how well an SSD would perform on all 3 Satas
I'm still amazed how hard drive storage came in the last several years. I remember when 500GB was a lot. Then with game consoles all you needed was just a handful of MB for a memory card. Now just 1TB is what I feel is a fair amount for me at least.
6 years later 500gb is still a lot.
@@michealadebz i suppose maybe. I got 1tb in nvme storage for games os and programs. And 4tb for for pics movies documents and music, and theyre almost full
I'm here in late 2019, it's now more cost effective to just buy an SSD.
found a firecude 1 TB for 50 bucks? or 60 bucks for 2TB? Not sure? what deals have you found on SSD's if you don't mind sharing?
@@itscrucial not as good as what you have, but $200 AUD ($136 USD) for a Samsung 1TB 2.5 inch sata drive. Also $200 AUD for a 512 GB NVMe Samsung 970 pro.
How's that more cost effective?
@@SergioRodriguez-ib6xw Prices went down, but they're still more expensive than an HDD. It's obvious a 1 TB HDD now costs 4 dollars, and it's a lot cheaper than SSD, but when SSD got into the market, prices were very very high.
Not really at all, HDDs are dirt cheap, and a SSHD $60 for 2 TB vs $200+ for equivalent SSD... the ratio of price to storage on HDD vs SSD in 2019 is about 4 to 1, meaning you get about four times the storage in an HDD for the same price as an SSD. That ratio will bumps up 8 to 1 when it’s NVME.
Great video. I have always loved the SSHD. It really is a great way to get great performance with larger capacity.
Linus can you please become a teacher after you retire from RUclips? You'd be he most popular professor on campus.
He probably would.
No.
It's too late
But I'm having 1tb sshd firecuda 5400rpm that's came with my laptop
That's the same thing your are talking about right ?
Side note most sshds have 8gb (acutely all of them) not 32gb
In my PC I have a Kingston HyperX Predator 240GB for Windows files and other main functionality programs (unity, EVGA drivers, ect.), a Seagate 2TB SSHD for regular programs like chrome, word, ect., and a Seagate 2TB SSHD for games. Pretty good setup if you ask me >_>
With a normal laptop you should replace your DVD drive with a HDD bay, for extra storage, and your stock drive with an SSD.
Reminds me of ridiculous VHS/DVD combo players )))
Linus, remember when you made that video about how to partition the outside and faster part of an hdd platter separately from the slower inner portion. Is it possible to do the same thing with a hybrid drive and if so how?
For some reason I call it Solid State Hard Disk or Solid State Hard Drive
so this sound perfect for someone running a 1 drive system or a laptop with no expansion for storage. Not a bad compromise.
No mention of the WD Black2 (squared)? It. Can fit in quite a few laptops, and is a dual.drive with a separate SSD and HDD in the same case. Granted, more expensive than buying both separately, but you're paying for the convenience.
+Simon WoodburyForget The WD Black Squared isn't an SSHD though. It's a 120GB SSD and 1 or 2TB HDD if I remember correctly. They show up as different drives, a d you cent even see the HDD until you install Windows on the SSD and can download a tool to turn it on.
+SlayerOfHellWyrm just get an ssd and a seperate hdd like he said
+Joe Bob you missed the point... Some laptops don't have space for both, which is where the squared is aimed. I though I mentioned that already.
SlayerOfHellWyrm oh I forgot about laptops
Hybrid controllers like the Marvell HyperDuo are quite nice too. Just stick an old 256GB SSD on it and your huge 4TB HDD will be running like hell. Well, at least that few very important folders with your favorite games.
The thing I like most about this solution is, that even when removing the SSD, the data on the HDD remains untouched. That's probably a lot better than SSHDs would handle an SDD failure.
250 GB SSDs aren't that expensive now, and that's plenty of storage for my needs (and I presume many other people's). It's just about managing the space wisely, using utilities like WizTree and CCleaner to get rid of crap you don't need and not having everything installed at once that you aren't using. Also storing data in the cloud and downloading when needed (e.g. OneDrive) is a better solution. You'd have to kill me to go back to a hard drive or even a hybrid drive. HDDs may as well stop production, and the only reason computer manufacturers include 1TB HDDs instead of SSDs are because they wanna fool people into thinking more storage is better.
180GB SSD and 1TB SSHD in my build, SSD for windows SSD for the rest and It holds my data when i have to re-install windows (when it breaks itself)
what about the wd black2 it has both an ssd and hdd but it is not that cheap
+gimmie55 Its not SSHD it just 2 in 1
Boffifis1 i know! i never said it was but for the purpose of a sshd in a laptop it fits the purpose better
Bought a 1TB NVME for a hundred bucks... SSD's are much cheaper nowadays that I don't think SSHD's are a point of use anymore
Harddrive types, physical sizes and interfaces as fast as possible? As much as I try to research them...I haven't been able to learn the sizes in laptops and desktops (14mm, 12mm, 2.5 inch?) and actual ports (SATA, mSATA?), probably bc I don't know what to search. Sorry if I'm sounding dumb here
In my experience, most of the time drives come in one of two sizes; 2.5in for laptop HDDs and regular sAta SDDs, 3.5in for regular desktop HDDs, M.2 which are kinda both a size and a connector and the fastest SSDs tend to be PCI-e based.
As for 2.5/3.5in connectors they tend to use the same regular sAta data and power cables. Hope my text isn't too confusing.
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With flash memory sizes and prices of today, do you think some hybrid drives have any real place in the 20s? They could easily include a larger chunk of flash memory with some of the chunkier HDD sizes while remaining affordable. Or is there just no point anymore with the affordability of higher capacity SSDs?
No point anymore
Samsung 950 pro for operating system and main programs and games. Then 1tb cheap Sandisk budget SSD for storage. Problem solved.
What's good for video editing on a laptop? I mean do you need more ram etc? Sorry if it's a stupid question not to good with technology.
Western digital black ^2 anyone?
@Techquickie
With a SSHD, how does this work when you "format" a drive? Does the flash part also get wiped and it "re-learns" what should go on it?
I've had an SSD+SSHD combo for 3-ish years. Works like a charm
Still using the combo?
@@benjamenYTDeadTheGamer Funny you should ask. Yes I do :)
Hard drive = transfer SPEED
SSD = QUICKER ACCESS TIMES
Hard drive is MUCH FASTER than SSD - SSD is MUCH QUICKER than hard drive.
Just like how a car with a supercharger is QUICKER but a car with a bigger engine and turbo is FASTER and will catch up. The turbo takes longer to spin up than the super but it's FASTER once it gets going, while the super is QUICKER.
English is fun.
Looking to upgrade my PS4 Unsure if i should go with
Seagate 2TB BarraCuda SATA 6Gb/s 128MB Cache 2.5-Inch 7mm Internal Hard Drive (ST2000LM015)
or
Seagate FireCuda Gaming SSHD 2TB SATA 6.0Gb/s 2.5-Inch Notebooks / Laptops Internal Hard Drive (ST2000LX001)
Forgot to mention how they have an extremely short life span and dangerously high failure rates.
Source? Never liked the idea of SSHDs since I like having that one fast loading 60 gig game once in a while.
+Nautricity Yes because HDDs don't have high failure rates.
Hybrid drives actually have a longer service life than SSD and HDD...
+Benny Kolesnikov Everyone I know that has tried a Hybrid drive (specifically seagate with their push on hybrid drives) have had bad experiences with hybrid drives, and when I look at reviews for them, all I see are stories about how fast their drive failed on them.
+Nautricity possibliy a hit or miss? Ive had my seagate hybrid in my laptop for almost 3 yrs now and still works like a charm.
Nice video, thank you for uploading
If anybody reading this has a laptop with a DVD drive, you can use that bay for a storage drive.
So you can have an SSD as the main drive (120GB is $40 now...) and a 1TB hard drive ($50) in the optical bay using a caddy ($10-20 Amazon).
But yes, if you only have 1 drive bay, an SSHD is a good option. They cost about $100. You can get 480GB SSDs for $110 now. 240GB for $60.
(Microcenter)
You guys are doing your job simply amazing. Thumb's up to you guys.
I think sticking with a pair would be better, grab a small SSD for boot stuffs and a massive HDD for storing. It's what I'm gonna do.
my first PC build, and I'm definitely getting a small SSD for my steam library (I'm thinking 480gb) and a 1tb HDD, which I know I will never go through, and if I do, I can easily upgrade because of my case choice. soooo... idk who the target audience is here, because the people who know how to even do a basic custom machine know how a file system works...
How fast would 8GB fill up on an SSHD, if it will at all? They all seem to only come with 8GB today (unless it's a 2.5'' laptop, why is that even?...) I'm thinking of going with a 2TB that will hold both OS and games (no pics or music)
nice video they are getting better
Isn't this already a fast as possible video? I feel like I watched something very similar to this from you a long time ago.
he did one for ncix
+TheSpacecraftX Thought I was having deja vu.
+TheSpacecraftX They did one about SSD Caching 3 years ago.
dis account dead now k No it was definitely SSHD. I think Austin Sandel is right and it's an NCIX video.
I have laptop and just replaced DVD drive ( it was useless ) with second drive ( 1TB HDD ) so i have 128 GB SSD and 1TB HDD so nothing is impossible linus :D
Why doesn't the speed of an SSHD get cancelled out by it constantly recording access frequencies for every file on your machine? Plus arbitrarly copying large files back and forth?
And it there an increased chance of corruption because of these transfers?
In short, buy like a 250gb SSD for your OS and other stuff. And normal HDDs for everything else. I don't see hybrid drives necessary at ALL.
Do they always aim to use the full SSD capacity?
And if yes, wouldn't that make them wear out faster and use up more energy?
I just want to get a 1 TB drive for my PS3. Which is best for that?
@Seamus
Seagate ST1000LM014
Aha! The flash memory capacity. That's all I needed to know, this drive is useless. I could hardly get by with a 120 Gb SSD and a 1 TB HDD, I'm definitely not gonna get an SSHD with only 32 gigs of flash memory XD who came up with this? And I can't hint to what I want to go fast? Yeah, definitely not my piece of cake.
it's not really "learning" it's just performing statistical analysis on what data segments are read and written more frequently
I recently bought a laptop that didn't have a standalone hybrid drive but rather had a 1tb mechanical (5400 rpm nonetheless) and a 16 gb caches m.2 ssd. The laptop was so slow it's like i was back in the days of AOL. opening windows explorer would take sometimes more than 2 minutes. I dropped the extra money and got a samsung 850 pro 500GB ssd and thats the best choice i ever made.
*me sitting with a 750 GB SSHD*
Im gonna get a laptop with an 300gb sshd.
Update: After 200 series intel motherboards: best option is to pair Intel Optane with a 1 TB mechanical @7200 rpm. It is way cheaper than 1tb ssd and faster.
Went to look for a vid on hybrid tech quicky did not disappoint
The WD black^2 beats an SSHD when it comes to laptop storage. 120GB SSD and a 1TB HDD showing up as 2 drives in one drive bay is cool. It even doesnt automatically add files to the memory, you have the freedom to add what programs or files u want to the drives. (besides the OS that gets put on the SSD)
hybrid drives try to give you the best of both worlds. but you end up with the worst of both worlds.
just get a SSD. hybrids were meant for those idiots who complain about bitrot on ssd modules. ssds today have the same lifespan as HDD so there is really no reason not to get one and store your important files on a HDD secondary.
Could you talk about mixing the two storage types in one machine? In such machines, could we able to specify the SWAP to be utilized via the HDD, specially for Windows machines, to save the life time of SSD from the extensive write of SWAP.
no mention of the western digital black2 dual drive? its a full fledged SSD and HDD in a single 2.5" form factor. i had one for awhile it was amazing. i just wish western digital had upgraded it with a 256GB ssd and 2TB BLACK edition HDD.
i have a seagate 2TB hybrid. i had windows 7 on it and it ran extremely fast and stable. i installed windows 10 and it's soo completely dysfunctional it's like standup comedy. it takes forever to startup and open programs, it has a hard time opening programs and often crashes basic programs, operating system frame stutters and yes...... blue screen of death out. im not kidding. i've put windows 10 on my 1TB standard drive and it runs like it's supposed to. My tech buddies say thats not only strange but completely obserd. whats your take?
Wondering why we don't make large 6TB and 8TB SSHDs with 128GB to 256GB flash, so we can have a large capacity drive for a steam library or movies, that speeds up frequently accessed games/movies
Does an SSHD 1tb for €60 combined with an HDD 3TB for €99 sound like a good thing in my HP Compaq 6370b laptop? I'm going all out on this thing xD the 3tb hdd is going in the DVD expansion with an adapter.
It would actually be better to have just more cashe on the drive .
Also cashe doesnt wear out as the ssd cells they do .
In fact regulary harddrives despite being a little slower they also last
much longer . As the individual cells in a ssd wear out you start to
loose capasity ect .
lso if a ssd suddenly dies then recovery is as good as impossible .
If a harddisk fails then you can recover the data ect .
Just because ssd is faster doesnt make them ' better /safer ' .
I have a harddisk more than 15 years old , No bad sectores and No fails ,
it just keep running .
Also I tested my computer with a ssd as my C drive .
It did NOT boot any faster at all .
I got a total boot time of 57 seconds on harddrive and with ssd it was 55 seconds .
No real difference , after all when my music studio computer start up it have to
load all needed drivers and software and also send start
signals to all external hardware .
So it is impossible to start any faster anyway , so I stick with my harddisks .
Also in daily work it be much more safe to NOT use hybrids or ssd because
a lot of file writings take place .
Best option in this case is to have harddisk with as much cashe as possible .
Extensive write to ssd will quickly destroy the individual cells that can only
handle a certain amount of writes before they stop working .
The magnetic platters in a harddisk on the other hand can keep continue
this year after year with no problems .
sdd might be faster in reading but is actually pretty slow at write too .
All in all , ssd does not suit everybody and is NOT that ' magic ' step to faster
computer as the ' hype ' suggest .
But as a ' hype ' it is selling and thus generate big money .
It is in their calculations and intensions that they wear out after a few yesrs of use .
Some might find them usefull and its fine .
But Definitively not in my use case , here they are practically worthless .
Also they doesnt make the actual computer faster , only read times .
Calculations in CPU and GPU is still the same.
How about flash method? a.k.a. dumping flash memory into the disk?
Amazing technology, truly. I had never used SSHD device, so I decided to buy one (Firecuda 2,5" 500 GB, new for 28,82 AUD). Wish me luck!
PS. I am going to use it for external USB connection.
I own an Asus AM1I-A motherboard, If I buy a SSHD should I set It to AHCI or IDE? also, seems like Windows 8.1 doesnt support AHCI natively son I´m kinda confused here.
There is actually at least one hybrid drive on the market where the SSD and HDD are viewed seperately, though to use it you must install windows first on the SSD, install the drivers, and then activate the HDD, you end up with a 128GB SSD, and a 1TB HDD in a single 2.5 inch drive, i just wish they would have offered it in a 256+2TB option, because both of them filled up fast on my laptop
the WD Black 2(squared)
my 2tb seagate sshd gets over 200 megabytes a second. putting 2 1tb of these drives in raid 0 could give you over 400 megabytes per second which is on par for most 10x more $ SATA ssds. pcie/m.2 are the only ssds that are worth it. otherwise get a few hybrid drives in raid 0 and youl get the same speed for a 10th of the cost.
I don't trust hybrid drives, I'd rather know what's fast and notice if it is not.
not being able to set manual priorities to certain folders (even if the drive only pickeds up copies of a small number of the files within) is a deal breaker.
I don't care if my steam library-view or screenshots folder loads faster, I want my warframe/MHW-maps to load in faster.
It becomes a pain in the ass if you want to install multiple copied of windows (like in my case, windows 7). The drive copies the installation files onto the cache instead of the physical drive which leads to boot manager saying invalid installation upon reboot. I finally got it to work by installing Linux after a copy of windows was installed and is probably the only way to do it.
I'm writing it here so if someone happens to be reading this after buying one can end his misery in a good way. :P
my hdd is cause the audio from media of it e.g. games to have a horrible popping/ crackling
SSD or GTFO! ..... soon Intel's new 3D Xpoint SSD's will rewrite tech history with Optane SSD's and DDR coming in 2016, get ready for faster
But nothing is actually stated about how useful they are. Are they only useful for boot drives or will it load games faster if used as a data drive? This depends on the heuristics it uses to learn which files to store. Would love to see some actual data in regards to whether these things actually make any difference ever, seeing as its completely down to how good or bad the learning algorithm is. I cant find anyone who has actually sat a HDD alongside an SSHD for a month a determined whether there is any actual performance difference.
Please! Noise freakin gate! Filter that BG noise of mic! For Gabe's sake, DO IT!
but linus you forgot duo drives, that allow you to access the ssd and hdd separately, they're still hybrids and better yet they don't limit themselves to a single 8gb nand chip like most sshd they have full 120gb+ ssd size and another 1+tb of hdd storage
is it worth buying a 1TB SSHD for windows and games? or should i not cheap out and buy 120GB SSD for windows and some games and hybrid drive in the future when SSD is full?
Wow, that is so inconvenient. Why didn't they just make it show up as two different hard drives? That isn't much different from the newbie-friendly C:/D: combo.
If I get a laptop with 1 TB + 32 GB, will this be enough for the OS? Or would it be better to spend (quite a bit more) for a PCIe 256gb ssd?
Linus, don't know if you read my comment on one of your recent videos and made this, but thank you. I was still wondering what happens if you defrag an SSHD?
Why not an SSD paired with a SSHD? Instead of SSD paired with HDD... Because the SSD will be primary storage and secondary storage will be HDD or in this case SSHD.
but what if the blade seized up while you were using it then your fucked I
guess if it's faulty audimated AI decided to put some important document onto the blades instead of the rams while it failed.. So technically if the blades died but the rams are still good can you still rescue your stuff that was left on them?
Can i combine sshd with ssd ? I wanted to install windows on ssd and for storage sshd . Someone tell me please .
The trick to having your cake and eating it too is having two cakes
And twice the size stomach. 😆😅
Can you do a video on why the RAM state can't be saved to the storage on shutdown and reloaded when the computer boots again? Especially if you can temporarily allocate ram as system storage.