As a black South African I correct you on the Royalty part, we didn't have white kings here, Just European settlers who invaded our kingdoms, from the Koi to the Zulu. However you are spot on about our independency which still has remnants of the apartheid regime, we are the last I think to be liberated by 1994. I grew up during the apartheid regime in Gauteng then was called Transvaal.
Frankly, as a biracial person, this controversy is both odd and average. Throughout the African continent, ethnic africans do not see nor have they ever seen mixed race people as their own. It makes no sense actually. Many biracial people including myself would be seen as Oboni and Misugnu. In South Africa, you have a specific population and community known as the Colored which consists of mixed race people. The US is the only country that practices racist exclusionary oppression based on Plessy v Ferguson, the one drop rule and the 1924 Racial Integrity Act. This is why I tell my fellow biracial people in the US to reject the one drop nonsense and be our own people. The Africans have it right. They arent confused and they know their people .
Coloured people ... my people..no matter how we try to explain what Coloured identity means. They still dont get it... Coloured started centuries ago..not just a mix of black, white,Asian etc...but judging from comments people cant serm to understand. .... and I've noticed it's sparking comments from other races in South Africa to also show negativity towards us .. Every race has their tribe where they feel they belong.. and so do Coloured people in South Africa ...
Ok listen, in Tyla's case I don't care how she identifies, She's proven to be a masquerading opportunist. she has invested her entire career in the black American audience. Now This is what's going to happen to her. I know her PR is telling her to keep her mouth shut about her coloured identity, she could lose so much money. So DO NOT be shocked if she starts identifying as a Black woman. I've seen coloureds who move to the west do that before.
We as South African coloured people understand what the term colored means when it comes 2 bl..ck Americans But still in South Africa its not just about the color of your skin that make u a coloured but its a race with a population of over 5 million people
you all basically have a caste system over there and we dont in America. That's the real issue . My mother is white passing but would not be white but would be coloured. The concept of race was constructed.
@@mariejane1567No, instead, you have a white supremacy system in the US, which is similar to the caste system -Yts on top, Blacks at the bottom, with everyone else between the two
@@mariejane1567America doesn’t have a caste system? Really? Would that be the same as America not having a racist system too? So what’s all the talk about colorism and light skin privilege in black America? So confused.
@@mariejane1567 Not exactly. The South African term Coloured doesn't apply to people like Trevor Noah. Trevor is biracial with a Xhosa mother and Dutch father. He light skinned but is not culturally Colored. Coloured in South Africa are intergenerationally mixed like my mother's Louisiana Creole family. Their phenotype is very light skin and straight to wavy hair but they also consider themselves as Black. There are also Creoles who are much darker. The point is that Coloured South Africans are intergenerationally tri-racial much like Louisiana Creoles.
the Black Ameican experience is "an" experience not "The". but the world has made it seem so. hollywood etc. Theres the Caribbean black exp, the south american black exp, the continental black experience etc and within those there are unique experiences...great episode! understanding is important.
Genetic studies suggest the group has the highest levels of mixed ancestry in the world. Mitochondrial DNA studies have demonstrated that many maternal lines of the Cape Coloured population are descended from African Khoisan women and Xhosa women. = SIMPLY PUT The coloured people of Southern Africa are the most genetically diverse people in the world. JARRE - DOMKOPPE!
I think settling for mixed race is the best option. Cause technically coloureds are mixed ethnicities so acknowledging her as such is appropriate because she’s definitely not black
I think Americans should stop putting their trauma on other groups. Why should she settle for mixed to appease Americans. This would highly offend coloured South Africans and she’s proudly South Africa.
@@mahdilatief5554 well the word coloured won’t be said in the US and tyla herself said she’s okay with being called mixed cause that’s what she is. Coloured people are a mixed ethnic group how is that offensive? It’s a fact
@@chickenfriedwaffles because the word coloured is a slur in the US. No one will call her that in the US. And tyla herself said she’s okay with being called mixed as she understands the word coloured is a legal slur
100❤ im from the carribean and i had never seen black people with an inferiority complex i didnt know in america it was wrong to call someone black- like thats my nickname: Negra. We in the Caribbean dont have anger like this😢
The last words heard by many people who were lynched would have been ninja, but mental gymnastics has made it become a term of endearment for Black Americans, but somehow the word colored is the unmentionable slur 😂😂
Extremely good argument. The truth is alot of black americans dont learn much about other cultures then come up with never ending reasons to justify that position. Ask me how I know lol@@taq1238
@@aviwemusa6109 Yes, I get That. No Disrespect. But Here In America, Colored Is EVERYTHING/EVERYONE but Yt! Even SOME Jews, Yt LatinS, Irish(red heads) and Italians etc are considered COLORED if they aren’t fully YT or yt passing. We’re All Mixed though…. Just A History Lesson. Britain, Europe same thing. Your colored if not 🖐🏻
Yes, a lot of people specifically black Americans need to understand the difference between race, ethnicity, and nationality. And I also need to understand that social constructs, which really means created by people. Similar to culture. Has no biological basis. Race is only a white supremacist caste system. My opinion is somewhat outdated however, I know that a lot of us, especially black Americans have forged our identities in that. But we shouldn’t centralize ourselves and everyone’s history. Everyone that is black does not have your history like she said. Everyone that is black does not have their same culture. Everyone that is black does not have your same nationality because blackness is not monolith which means blackness is not the same for everyone. Racial categories are in different countries. We need to understand that as well. And if a person wants to identify themselves, something different than what you understand, you need to accept that and try to learn more about it instead of imposing our history, or even our trauma onto them. We need to be more understanding and more empathetic and listen more. And it wouldn’t hurt to travel a bit especially to black countries so you can expose yourselves to the different cultures. I think that will not give you a broader understanding of the world, but it will also give you a different perspective of how you see yourself.✌🏾
And another thing how can Black people in America as a collective have a problem with someone calling themselves Coloured, when a large quantity of us use the N-word, and say that we took the power back from that, however, if someone else calls us, the N-word, that isn’t black or even African-American in some cases black Americans get offended. Black Americans understand why we use that word, and how we took the power back from it whereas some African-Americans, like myself, can’t stand the word because of the way it still carries outside of the black community. I say that to say that, even though we might be triggered by the identity of colored, they went through their own struggle with that word and identity. So if they choose to identify as that it doesn’t mean it’s the same as our experience with the identity of colored , the fact that we can’t understand how they took the power back in that identity just like we took the power back in the N-word. We should understand not to say that the two identities are the same because they’re not. It’s just the practice of taking the power back in the word that was given to us. We need to be more understanding like I said before and think outside ourselves, but still draw comparisons to things that might help you make sense of the situation so it won’t be so polarizing.
Colored is what the White man classified you as to keep you separate from Black people. Because if you identify with Blackness you would be more powerful in South Africans . White man is so smart at keeping disunity.
We suppose to be united together work together this is crazy 😢 preparation is coming one day so what name are you gonna classify yourself I can’t stop thinking about this
I am a super proud Coloured from Westbury in Johannesburg. I love our people, I love our culture and I love our way of walking and talking especially since we created Afrikaans which we was initially first written on paper in Arabic in the region of what we call our 'mother city'. I was blessed in school to learn Zulu as an extra language and it has changed everything for me as I can communicate easily with Blacks and understand them as easily as I can get along with Whites who like my skin, hair and eye colour because I am Coloured.
I’m sorry, if Tyla is coming to our country, and WILL BE, put into black boxes, BY WHITE AMERICA, if African Americans don’t wanna call her coloured, they don’t have to. When we go to African countries or the Caribbean, we’re expected to live by their rules written and unwritten, their customs, their culture, so she will need to do the same if she’s trying to break over here. This whole video was used to paint AAs as ignorant and arrogant and divisive, when every time I see a Nigerian or South African tweeting about us, it’s derogatory.
because you guys think you can say what you want, we are not derogatory at all, we will just not allow you to mess with us. To be honest we would prefer if TYLA never set foot in the States, we pray this doesn't dim her light...she was popular and famous in her own right in South Africa and the rest of Africa. We don't need this argument and she doesn't deserve this garbage!
@@Cper2000 Then tell her to go back to where she came from and leave us alone. Other wise she’ll keep getting opinions from black Americans when she’s in there space. And South Africans aren’t derogatory towards African Americans??? Lmao
@@Cper2000and it's real garbage...seriously...but for me I tend to get the impression that this fight is actually over the fact that Tyler is multi racial and not black ...more than the coloured..word
@@Cper2000 Yeah she's annoying to me. why is she only hanging around black Americans projecting this black Afrocentric image but she's NOT on the same page? If she goes to the Netherlands, Indonesia or India where her "other" ancestors came from and masquerade as them...Just guess what they will all call her...
I think the word coloured in south africa is to keep the races seperate and in a hierachy. So the coloured are african mixed..ie: biracial. But the problem with the name coloured is that it puts that person on TOP of the black africans...Its has social, psychological ,economic , housing, literally connected it it. I agree this word should NOT be used in America.
It might surprise you to learn that Apartheid ended 30 years ago, and Coloureds are the most marginalized demographic in South Africa. What do you think they should call themselves? They don't speak any Bantu language - they speak European languages and have their unique cultures. I am sure you call yourself a Person of Color. Coloured means the exact same thing. And I suspect I wasted my time...
They are not biracials, their parents are Coloureds as well, their grandparents and so on… please understand. Biracials and Coloureds are two different groups in South Africa.
Nope Sutho ppl have their tradition and custom Zulu Xhosa Venda Tswana ect the same. Ask them if they see coloreds as black via their customs and tradition. Should I happen to merry into a Zulu culture I would still be seen as a colord by most but I will associate myself as part of my husband's culture. Till then I'm just colourd.
And I am a descendant of six different peoples or ethnicities so yes. It's not as just claiming black in SA. But I do admire foreigners who make effert to speak inguni languages and speak it even better than some locals. That's really a feat.
I disagree and agree with you in some parts....... I agree with how Blackness is viewed is different in different parts of the world. But the whole "black Americans do the one drop rule that one drop makes you black " is not true today. in America race is not view as elusive if you mix. Otherwise, if someone is racially ambiguous and is called Black, White, Asian or whatever it doesn't mean they are just only that, there's an unspoken "part" in front which people understand it's there without even being said. If tiger Wood is called Black, it means "part" Black if he's called Asian it means "part" Asian. Another way to look at it to Americans someone become bi racial not new racial. A mix person maybe is called blank one second then that the next second and both be viewed as arcuate. Black or African American is an ethnicity in itself, for blacks that descendants from slavery in the US there a share culture heritage. I don't know if your ancestors where slaves in the US cause ancestors could be from elsewhere. but removing "American" would be insulting our ancestors. No matter what a racist hick try to portray America as, Blacks contribute a lot to building America. Otherwise we not saying America because we care about George Washington but to honor our own Blacks ancestors in America. I agree A lot of Black Americans don't understand how Africa and the African diaspora work, but what I learn is a lot them also don't understand Black American history either. It's a two-way error. Anyways this is important to understand because most African Americans are mix predominately African ancestry 60% to 100%. This is part of the reason why African Americans are so many shades. In A lot of Latin America or even South Africa there was a more complex "racial caste system". While colorism existed today and in the past in the US it's got nothing compared to Latin America or even South Africa. The social upward ability you got from being mixed. In SA case mixed people there separated, the closest thing in the US history were the "Louisiana Creole" hence Louisiana was ruled by the French and Spanish like the West Indies and Latin America was. "Creole" essentially were the mix people who could not be accepted by the whites but didn't want to assimilate into the lager Black population. Where most of mix people after slavery mix in with the larger Black population. So it doesn't matter if someone was 61% Black or 90% Black. African American became an ethnicity in itself, this is how you got some super light skin African Americans. technically they're a little mix, but ethnicity there full black American. if you ask, they would say both parents are black. Basically, The African American population itself already is an grey area between full Black and SA "Colored" ethnicity. ... this is why it's hard for black Americans to comprehend SA Color group. And then around the 60's the terms Negro and Color really fell of favor, to "Black"... Seeing "colored" just reminds black Americans of Jim Crow laws.
Dumbest Comment ever. Coloureds are literally decsended from the creolsation of african natives/african slaves/asian slaves in european colonial contexts (17th century Cape Colony/ 19th century Natal) like all creole populations in Africa and the Americas . their mixing is similar . MOSTLY AFRICAN WITH NON-AFRICAN ADMIXTURE. ALL CREOLE POPULATIONS ARE COMPARABLE TO COLOUREDS COZ COLOURED ARE THE MOST CREOLISED POPULATION ON EARTH.WITH A CREOLE LANGUAGE (AFRIKAANS) CREATED BY THE CREOLE SLAVE POPULATIONS. THE AVERAGE COLOURED IS 67% AFRICAN. JUST LIKE ALL BLACK CREOLES EVERYWHERE. explain how they are comparible to lations , reference ancetry/gentics/ethno-genesis. ALL CREOLE POEOPLE HAVE SIMILAR MIXING. african with non-african heritage. how are they comnparable to the genetics of latinos (who are mostly native american) coloureds and all creoles are mostly african. GIVE ME A SINGLE COMPARIBLE METRIC BETWEEN COLOUREDS AND LATIONOS...REFERENCE GENTICS/ANCESTRY/ETHNO-GENEIS@@AngelicaEstherxo
Genetic studies suggest the group has the highest levels of mixed ancestry in the world. Mitochondrial DNA studies have demonstrated that many maternal lines of the Cape Coloured population are descended from African Khoisan women and Xhosa women. = SIMPLY PUT The coloured people of Southern Africa are the most genetically diverse people in the world.
NOPE. THEIR ANCESTRY AND GENETICS IS THE MOST DIVERSE IN THE WORLD, BUT NOT THRU MULTI-RACIAL MEANS, IT IS MULTI ETHNIC. They still mostly African with Asian/Euro admixture.The diversity comes from the different ethnic groups present in their african ancestry( Ethnic groups from SOUTH & WEST & EAST AFRICA & MADAGASCAR) and in their asian ancestry (Indian/ Indonesain/ Malay /Sri lanka). So even tho their ancestry is the most diverse in terms of ethnic variants, not racial variants , THEIR ANCESTRY IS STILL PREDOMINANATLY AFRICAN. BOTH FROM MATERNAL AND PATERNAL LINEAGES .@@Cper2000
i help you just a little bit any mix person, pappa side from Africa is African 100% take it or leave African do not play with their blood line, mix mother side from Africa yes they will respect you in to the family like it is with very strong respect but not with the blood line they know that your blood line is in another place, i think this culture is all over black African countries in the continent.
So I totlally agree with what you are saying. As a dark skinned half African-American and Half West African who does not look racially ambiguous but does look tribally ambigous, how we see Blackness in America vs. Africa is quite different. Education and travel are definitely needed as "Blackness`' and what it entails varies throughout the globe/Diaspora. Brazilians, who are the largest population of Black/African descendants outside of Africa and whose culture is clearly West African (Yoruba to be specific) do not like to be referred to as African or even Black. They do not deny the heritage but the label Black is offensive to them and we know why. And Black was for the most part used as a racial epithet in South Africa and if we are to be honest there is pride in being Coloured and not just Black. I think most African-Americans are familiar with our most famous Coloured South African tansplant--Trevor Noah. I think that Tyla needs some training on how to speak to international audiences. She could have just said that she was South African. "Coloured" is a very triggering word. And when I checked her video for Water I did not see one other identifiable "Coloured" person in her video. All I saw were "Black" South Africans. It did kind of seem inauthentic. Where were your fellow "Coloured" SAs? I'm with you on the race is not real and a social construct and creation of White Supremacy.
Okay firstly there is no such thing as an identifiable coloured, coloured people in South Africa can look black, biracial or even white phenotypically but that doesn’t erase their racially mixed DNA. She is representing South Arica and I would be upset if she didn’t use South Africans in her video. Also please show me where Tyla addressed Americans and said she was coloured???? Stop making things up to fit your narrative. She made one tik tok a couple years ago in her home country embracing her culture and heritage, which is something we typically do on heritage day here in South Africa. It would be inauthentic for her in her country where everyone knows she is classified as coloured out of the 4 race’s acknowledged in South Africa to classify herself as anything else.
Trevor Noah does not identify as Coloured. He is a first generation biracial man with a Xhosa mother and a Swiss father. Coloured people have been mixed for generations and have developed their own culture. Trevor grew up in a African township called Soweto and was raised by his mother and grandmother.
All you guys are miseducated on understanding African American and Black African... African American is your heritage(descendants) , Black American is your culture. As a side note, the ancient Kemet/Egyptians revered black as divine. Therefore, I follow my ancient ancestor who built pyramids and temples. And, the greatest civilization in the world.
As a black South African I correct you on the Royalty part, we didn't have white kings here, Just European settlers who invaded our kingdoms, from the Koi to the Zulu. However you are spot on about our independency which still has remnants of the apartheid regime, we are the last I think to be liberated by 1994. I grew up during the apartheid regime in Gauteng then was called Transvaal.
Frankly, as a biracial person, this controversy is both odd and average.
Throughout the African continent, ethnic africans do not see nor have they ever seen mixed race people as their own. It makes no sense actually. Many biracial people including myself would be seen as Oboni and Misugnu.
In South Africa, you have a specific population and community known as the Colored which consists of mixed race people.
The US is the only country that practices racist exclusionary oppression based on Plessy v Ferguson, the one drop rule and the 1924 Racial Integrity Act.
This is why I tell my fellow biracial people in the US to reject the one drop nonsense and be our own people.
The Africans have it right. They arent confused and they know their people .
Coloured people ... my people..no matter how we try to explain what Coloured identity means. They still dont get it... Coloured started centuries ago..not just a mix of black, white,Asian etc...but judging from comments people cant serm to understand.
.... and I've noticed it's sparking comments from other races in South Africa to also show negativity towards us .. Every race has their tribe where they feel they belong.. and so do Coloured people in South Africa ...
South Africans don't explain yourselves to Americans or anyone else, finish en klaar! Enough of this nonsense!
Ok listen, in Tyla's case I don't care how she identifies, She's proven to be a masquerading opportunist. she has invested her entire career in the black American audience. Now This is what's going to happen to her.
I know her PR is telling her to keep her mouth shut about her coloured identity, she could lose so much money. So DO NOT be shocked if she starts identifying as a Black woman. I've seen coloureds who move to the west do that before.
We just want you black foreigners to leave us alone
Watching from cape Town South Africa as a black African in my country if you are black Americans you will be calked coloured
We as South African coloured people understand what the term colored means when it comes 2 bl..ck Americans
But still in South Africa its not just about the color of your skin that make u a coloured but its a race with a population of over 5 million people
you all basically have a caste
system over there and we dont in America. That's the real issue . My mother is white passing but would not be
white but would be coloured. The concept of race was constructed.
Also we could separate out the lighter skin people over here in the US as well and it would be in the millions as well.
@@mariejane1567No, instead, you have a white supremacy system in the US, which is similar to the caste system -Yts on top, Blacks at the bottom, with everyone else between the two
@@mariejane1567America doesn’t have a caste system? Really? Would that be the same as America not having a racist system too?
So what’s all the talk about colorism and light skin privilege in black America? So confused.
@@mariejane1567 Not exactly. The South African term Coloured doesn't apply to people like Trevor Noah. Trevor is biracial with a Xhosa mother and Dutch father. He light skinned but is not culturally Colored. Coloured in South Africa are intergenerationally mixed like my mother's Louisiana Creole family. Their phenotype is very light skin and straight to wavy hair but they also consider themselves as Black. There are also Creoles who are much darker. The point is that Coloured South Africans are intergenerationally tri-racial much like Louisiana Creoles.
the Black Ameican experience is "an" experience not "The". but the world has made it seem so. hollywood etc. Theres the Caribbean black exp, the south american black exp, the continental black experience etc and within those there are unique experiences...great episode! understanding is important.
I agree but when I am in any of those places, I respect the experiences of the local Black population. The same has to be reciprocated.
As a south African colored person. Colored is a culture and that is the only difference
Genetic studies suggest the group has the highest levels of mixed
ancestry in the world. Mitochondrial DNA studies have demonstrated that many maternal lines of the Cape Coloured population are descended from African Khoisan women and Xhosa women. = SIMPLY PUT The coloured people of Southern Africa are the most genetically diverse people in the world.
JARRE - DOMKOPPE!
very important conversation. great points!
Being the most influential group of black folks in the modern world has led to a weird prideful ignorance.
I think settling for mixed race is the best option. Cause technically coloureds are mixed ethnicities so acknowledging her as such is appropriate because she’s definitely not black
America is the only place biracial are considered black. They think everything revolves around them
I think Americans should stop putting their trauma on other groups. Why should she settle for mixed to appease Americans. This would highly offend coloured South Africans and she’s proudly South Africa.
that statement is highly offensive to the ethnicity race heritage and cultural significance that is the coloured community
@@mahdilatief5554 well the word coloured won’t be said in the US and tyla herself said she’s okay with being called mixed cause that’s what she is. Coloured people are a mixed ethnic group how is that offensive? It’s a fact
@@chickenfriedwaffles because the word coloured is a slur in the US. No one will call her that in the US. And tyla herself said she’s okay with being called mixed as she understands the word coloured is a legal slur
100❤ im from the carribean and i had never seen black people with an inferiority complex i didnt know in america it was wrong to call someone black- like thats my nickname: Negra. We in the Caribbean dont have anger like this😢
we are Black in America and I went to an HBCU
You are not FBA so I know why you don't get it. A colored person in South Africa is considered bi- racial. Being called colored is a slur to FBA's.
The last words heard by many people who were lynched would have been ninja, but mental gymnastics has made it become a term of endearment for Black Americans, but somehow the word colored is the unmentionable slur 😂😂
Let them call themselves whatever they want, this is just more of a reason we separate ourselves and not give a damn…
What is she?
Extremely good argument. The truth is alot of black americans dont learn much about other cultures then come up with never ending reasons to justify that position. Ask me how I know lol@@taq1238
Black Americans was called Colored here in the USA in the 50s and 60s!
Wtf is the problem????
No problem, we don’t care do y’all…
In South Afrika 'colored' is a race.
@@lordschild673 But You commented, So You actually Do care!
@@aviwemusa6109 Yes, I get That.
No Disrespect.
But Here In America, Colored Is EVERYTHING/EVERYONE but Yt!
Even SOME Jews, Yt LatinS, Irish(red heads) and Italians etc are considered COLORED if they aren’t fully YT or yt passing. We’re All Mixed though….
Just A History Lesson.
Britain, Europe same thing.
Your colored if not 🖐🏻
@@NoName-oe4gm I cared enough to comment but not enough about the subject 🤷🏾♂️ …
Yes, a lot of people specifically black Americans need to understand the difference between race, ethnicity, and nationality. And I also need to understand that social constructs, which really means created by people. Similar to culture. Has no biological basis. Race is only a white supremacist caste system. My opinion is somewhat outdated however, I know that a lot of us, especially black Americans have forged our identities in that. But we shouldn’t centralize ourselves and everyone’s history. Everyone that is black does not have your history like she said. Everyone that is black does not have their same culture. Everyone that is black does not have your same nationality because blackness is not monolith which means blackness is not the same for everyone. Racial categories are in different countries. We need to understand that as well. And if a person wants to identify themselves, something different than what you understand, you need to accept that and try to learn more about it instead of imposing our history, or even our trauma onto them. We need to be more understanding and more empathetic and listen more. And it wouldn’t hurt to travel a bit especially to black countries so you can expose yourselves to the different cultures. I think that will not give you a broader understanding of the world, but it will also give you a different perspective of how you see yourself.✌🏾
And another thing how can Black people in America as a collective have a problem with someone calling themselves Coloured, when a large quantity of us use the N-word, and say that we took the power back from that, however, if someone else calls us, the N-word, that isn’t black or even African-American in some cases black Americans get offended. Black Americans understand why we use that word, and how we took the power back from it whereas some African-Americans, like myself, can’t stand the word because of the way it still carries outside of the black community. I say that to say that, even though we might be triggered by the identity of colored, they went through their own struggle with that word and identity. So if they choose to identify as that it doesn’t mean it’s the same as our experience with the identity of colored , the fact that we can’t understand how they took the power back in that identity just like we took the power back in the N-word. We should understand not to say that the two identities are the same because they’re not. It’s just the practice of taking the power back in the word that was given to us. We need to be more understanding like I said before and think outside ourselves, but still draw comparisons to things that might help you make sense of the situation so it won’t be so polarizing.
Colored is what the White man classified you as to keep you separate from Black people. Because if you identify with Blackness you would be more powerful in South Africans . White man is so smart at keeping disunity.
We suppose to be united together work together this is crazy 😢 preparation is coming one day so what name are you gonna classify yourself I can’t stop thinking about this
I am a super proud Coloured from Westbury in Johannesburg. I love our people, I love our culture and I love our way of walking and talking especially since we created Afrikaans which we was initially first written on paper in Arabic in the region of what we call our 'mother city'. I was blessed in school to learn Zulu as an extra language and it has changed everything for me as I can communicate easily with Blacks and understand them as easily as I can get along with Whites who like my skin, hair and eye colour because I am Coloured.
Too many people making money from keeping racism alive, on both sides.
I’m sorry, if Tyla is coming to our country, and WILL BE, put into black boxes, BY WHITE AMERICA, if African Americans don’t wanna call her coloured, they don’t have to. When we go to African countries or the Caribbean, we’re expected to live by their rules written and unwritten, their customs, their culture, so she will need to do the same if she’s trying to break over here. This whole video was used to paint AAs as ignorant and arrogant and divisive, when every time I see a Nigerian or South African tweeting about us, it’s derogatory.
because you guys think you can say what you want, we are not derogatory at all, we will just not allow you to mess with us. To be honest we would prefer if TYLA never set foot in the States, we pray this doesn't dim her light...she was popular and famous in her own right in South Africa and the rest of Africa. We don't need this argument and she doesn't deserve this garbage!
@@Cper2000 Then tell her to go back to where she came from and leave us alone. Other wise she’ll keep getting opinions from black Americans when she’s in there space. And South Africans aren’t derogatory towards African Americans??? Lmao
If she want to be colored stay in SA.
@@Cper2000and it's real garbage...seriously...but for me I tend to get the impression that this fight is actually over the fact that Tyler is multi racial and not black ...more than the coloured..word
@@Cper2000 Yeah she's annoying to me. why is she only hanging around black Americans projecting this black Afrocentric image but she's NOT on the same page? If she goes to the Netherlands, Indonesia or India where her "other" ancestors came from and masquerade as them...Just guess what they will all call her...
God bless you beautiful. I am extremely shocked by what i see online. How can b americans turn around and spew so much negativity on every other race😢
Because *some* are more like their oppressors than they would like to think and because the education system is not that good.
@@taq1238Yours isn’t that good either for you to generalize like this, clearly.
I think the word coloured in south africa is to keep the races seperate and in a hierachy. So the coloured are african mixed..ie: biracial. But the problem with the name coloured is that it puts that person on TOP of the black africans...Its has social, psychological ,economic , housing, literally connected it it.
I agree this word should NOT be used in America.
It might surprise you to learn that Apartheid ended 30 years ago, and Coloureds are the most marginalized demographic in South Africa. What do you think they should call themselves? They don't speak any Bantu language - they speak European languages and have their unique cultures. I am sure you call yourself a Person of Color. Coloured means the exact same thing. And I suspect I wasted my time...
They are not biracials, their parents are Coloureds as well, their grandparents and so on… please understand. Biracials and Coloureds are two different groups in South Africa.
As a South African I agree with you. If you look at our national statistics Africans are always at the bottom for every socioeconomic metric.
Nope Sutho ppl have their tradition and custom Zulu Xhosa Venda Tswana ect the same. Ask them if they see coloreds as black via their customs and tradition. Should I happen to merry into a Zulu culture I would still be seen as a colord by most but I will associate myself as part of my husband's culture. Till then I'm just colourd.
And I am a descendant of six different peoples or ethnicities so yes. It's not as just claiming black in SA. But I do admire foreigners who make effert to speak inguni languages and speak it even better than some locals. That's really a feat.
I disagree and agree with you in some parts....... I agree with how Blackness is viewed is different in different parts of the world. But the whole "black Americans do the one drop rule that one drop makes you black " is not true today. in America race is not view as elusive if you mix. Otherwise, if someone is racially ambiguous and is called Black, White, Asian or whatever it doesn't mean they are just only that, there's an unspoken "part" in front which people understand it's there without even being said. If tiger Wood is called Black, it means "part" Black if he's called Asian it means "part" Asian. Another way to look at it to Americans someone become bi racial not new racial. A mix person maybe is called blank one second then that the next second and both be viewed as arcuate.
Black or African American is an ethnicity in itself, for blacks that descendants from slavery in the US there a share culture heritage. I don't know if your ancestors where slaves in the US cause ancestors could be from elsewhere. but removing "American" would be insulting our ancestors. No matter what a racist hick try to portray America as, Blacks contribute a lot to building America. Otherwise we not saying America because we care about George Washington but to honor our own Blacks ancestors in America. I agree A lot of Black Americans don't understand how Africa and the African diaspora work, but what I learn is a lot them also don't understand Black American history either. It's a two-way error.
Anyways this is important to understand because most African Americans are mix predominately African ancestry 60% to 100%. This is part of the reason why African Americans are so many shades.
In A lot of Latin America or even South Africa there was a more complex "racial caste system". While colorism existed today and in the past in the US it's got nothing compared to Latin America or even South Africa. The social upward ability you got from being mixed. In SA case mixed people there separated, the closest thing in the US history were the "Louisiana Creole" hence Louisiana was ruled by the French and Spanish like the West Indies and Latin America was. "Creole" essentially were the mix people who could not be accepted by the whites but didn't want to assimilate into the lager Black population. Where most of mix people after slavery mix in with the larger Black population. So it doesn't matter if someone was 61% Black or 90% Black. African American became an ethnicity in itself, this is how you got some super light skin African Americans. technically they're a little mix, but ethnicity there full black American. if you ask, they would say both parents are black.
Basically, The African American population itself already is an grey area between full Black and SA "Colored" ethnicity. ... this is why it's hard for black Americans to comprehend SA Color group. And then around the 60's the terms Negro and Color really fell of favor, to "Black"... Seeing "colored" just reminds black Americans of Jim Crow laws.
The one drop rule is true to white people in America, that's the problem.
coloureds are litarally just creole
Like creoles, not creole. The mixture is different. They are also like Latinos
Dumbest Comment ever. Coloureds are literally decsended from the creolsation of african natives/african slaves/asian slaves in european colonial contexts (17th century Cape Colony/ 19th century Natal) like all creole populations in Africa and the Americas . their mixing is similar . MOSTLY AFRICAN WITH NON-AFRICAN ADMIXTURE. ALL CREOLE POPULATIONS ARE COMPARABLE TO COLOUREDS COZ COLOURED ARE THE MOST CREOLISED POPULATION ON EARTH.WITH A CREOLE LANGUAGE (AFRIKAANS) CREATED BY THE CREOLE SLAVE POPULATIONS. THE AVERAGE COLOURED IS 67% AFRICAN. JUST LIKE ALL BLACK CREOLES EVERYWHERE. explain how they are comparible to lations , reference ancetry/gentics/ethno-genesis. ALL CREOLE POEOPLE HAVE SIMILAR MIXING. african with non-african heritage. how are they comnparable to the genetics of latinos (who are mostly native american) coloureds and all creoles are mostly african. GIVE ME A SINGLE COMPARIBLE METRIC BETWEEN COLOUREDS AND LATIONOS...REFERENCE GENTICS/ANCESTRY/ETHNO-GENEIS@@AngelicaEstherxo
Genetic studies suggest the group has the highest levels of mixed
ancestry in the world. Mitochondrial DNA studies have demonstrated that many maternal lines of the Cape Coloured population are descended from African Khoisan women and Xhosa women. = SIMPLY PUT The coloured people of Southern Africa are the most genetically diverse people in the world.
NOPE. THEIR ANCESTRY AND GENETICS IS THE MOST DIVERSE IN THE WORLD, BUT NOT THRU MULTI-RACIAL MEANS, IT IS MULTI ETHNIC. They still mostly African with Asian/Euro admixture.The diversity comes from the different ethnic groups present in their african ancestry( Ethnic groups from SOUTH & WEST & EAST AFRICA & MADAGASCAR) and in their asian ancestry (Indian/ Indonesain/ Malay /Sri lanka). So even tho their ancestry is the most diverse in terms of ethnic variants, not racial variants , THEIR ANCESTRY IS STILL PREDOMINANATLY AFRICAN. BOTH FROM MATERNAL AND PATERNAL LINEAGES .@@Cper2000
i help you just a little bit any mix person, pappa side from Africa is African 100% take it or leave African do not play with their blood line, mix mother side from Africa yes they will respect you in to the family like it is with very strong respect but not with the blood line they know that your blood line is in another place, i think this culture is all over black African countries in the continent.
So I totlally agree with what you are saying. As a dark skinned half African-American and Half West African who does not look racially ambiguous but does look tribally ambigous, how we see Blackness in America vs. Africa is quite different. Education and travel are definitely needed as "Blackness`' and what it entails varies throughout the globe/Diaspora. Brazilians, who are the largest population of Black/African descendants outside of Africa and whose culture is clearly West African (Yoruba to be specific) do not like to be referred to as African or even Black. They do not deny the heritage but the label Black is offensive to them and we know why. And Black was for the most part used as a racial epithet in South Africa and if we are to be honest there is pride in being Coloured and not just Black. I think most African-Americans are familiar with our most famous Coloured South African tansplant--Trevor Noah. I think that Tyla needs some training on how to speak to international audiences. She could have just said that she was South African. "Coloured" is a very triggering word. And when I checked her video for Water I did not see one other identifiable "Coloured" person in her video. All I saw were "Black" South Africans. It did kind of seem inauthentic. Where were your fellow "Coloured" SAs? I'm with you on the race is not real and a social construct and creation of White Supremacy.
She is using blacks to further her career.
Boom!@@patriciahercules6852
Okay firstly there is no such thing as an identifiable coloured, coloured people in South Africa can look black, biracial or even white phenotypically but that doesn’t erase their racially mixed DNA. She is representing South Arica and I would be upset if she didn’t use South Africans in her video. Also please show me where Tyla addressed Americans and said she was coloured???? Stop making things up to fit your narrative. She made one tik tok a couple years ago in her home country embracing her culture and heritage, which is something we typically do on heritage day here in South Africa. It would be inauthentic for her in her country where everyone knows she is classified as coloured out of the 4 race’s acknowledged in South Africa to classify herself as anything else.
Trevor Noah does not identify as Coloured. He is a first generation biracial man with a Xhosa mother and a Swiss father. Coloured people have been mixed for generations and have developed their own culture. Trevor grew up in a African township called Soweto and was raised by his mother and grandmother.
All you guys are miseducated on understanding African American and Black African... African American is your heritage(descendants) , Black American is your culture.
As a side note, the ancient Kemet/Egyptians revered black as divine. Therefore, I follow my ancient ancestor who built pyramids and temples. And, the greatest civilization in the world.
I kind of like this because when they start paying the Blacks for the Slavery then you guys not getting any more money 😂😂😂
Colored South. African the height. Black. I no.