Just when I start to ask myself WHY… | S07E01

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  • Опубликовано: 4 дек 2024

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  • @daveschoen2594
    @daveschoen2594 2 года назад +36

    Getting concerned that you haven’t posted a video in a couple of weeks. I hope that you guys are safe and sound. Anxiously waiting. ❤️

  • @Cajundaddydave
    @Cajundaddydave 2 года назад +1

    Super glad you brought along Steve, a sailing veteran with skill and experience. A crew of 3 is nearly ideal for passage making and an experienced crew is the Holy Grail. Cheers!

  • @voodoochild1954
    @voodoochild1954 2 года назад +3

    Steve is my new hero!

  • @gladysmollfulleda5350
    @gladysmollfulleda5350 2 года назад +7

    We haven’t heard from you. Are you guys ok? Be safe!

  • @lancepearson62
    @lancepearson62 2 года назад +18

    have been watching your track and today, june 26, it looks like you are three miles from the entrance to Horta. Congratulations. Hope all is well with three human crew and the pup.....be interesting to hear you guy's take on such a long passage. Boat do okay?

    • @stevennelson7628
      @stevennelson7628 2 года назад +7

      Thank you for current update.

    • @Artoconnell
      @Artoconnell 2 года назад +3

      @@guscarlson7021 Gus, they are sharing the experience as they can. It is lower on the list. important but lower on the list.
      Keep praying for them and know they will post as soon as they safely can.

    • @lancepearson62
      @lancepearson62 2 года назад

      ​@@guscarlson7021 we hope all is well but they will have to share details. I only tracked them live but it is not a com link to find more. it is a BIG trip that takes a lot out of you.

    • @Marcela.Sridevi
      @Marcela.Sridevi 2 года назад +1

      Thank you so much for the update, it is great to hear Lance! Hope people will understand it is not easy to upload video on long passage middle of ocean. My prayers are with Atticus crew, pup humans and boat

    • @lancepearson62
      @lancepearson62 2 года назад

      @@guscarlson7021 their track showed they went their but do not know how long they were in harbor..good place to get diesel and water topped up when we sailed there and back from Norfolk. Va

  • @Lighthouse6b
    @Lighthouse6b 2 года назад +1

    You will want to get duty free fuel in Bermuda. There are 2 ways to get duty free fuel. The first is in the Dock Yard. Ask at immigration about how to contact them. The second requires you to fill with a number of boats. The second is bunker delivery. These services are for mega yachts primarily. We used to sail from Tortola to Bermuda on our way back to the states in the Atlantic Cup Rally. We would all off of our fleet together at the cruise ship dock in St George’s and a tank truck would come and fuel all of up at once.

  • @meandmybuddy964
    @meandmybuddy964 2 года назад +8

    Good morning I hear you drug anchor one night in a storm hope all is well and you are in my prayers I pray for a healthy pregnancy and safe travels and good weather and no morning sickness ⛵️

  • @klouism1
    @klouism1 2 года назад +2

    Thank you for the video. Safe sailing.

  • @lancepearson62
    @lancepearson62 2 года назад +4

    they are moored in horta harbor as of about 11 pm local time last night..customsvtoday?😂

  • @arthurwolfburg6441
    @arthurwolfburg6441 2 года назад +1

    stay safe and I'm looking forward to so your next video when you are in Bermuda. thanks for taking us along.

  • @sailingsvree7895
    @sailingsvree7895 2 года назад +3

    Sailing Zingaro was on a mooring ball in the same Harbor that Atticus was in Bermuda. James of Zingaro was not on his boat, he was moving another boat as a hired CAPTAIN back to Europe.
    He showed Atticus was on the hook, having a distressing time while the latest tropical storm moved through that area with some pretty heavy winds.
    That was a few weeks ago so we are keeping our fingers crossed for them and hope all has worked out well without damage to the boat and obviously more importantly all the crew members are safe.

    • @windingroad9678
      @windingroad9678 2 года назад

      Which video showed Atticus? The one from 3 wks ago?

    • @sailingsvree7895
      @sailingsvree7895 2 года назад

      @@windingroad9678 it was the Live one where James was explaining what it was like to be in a tropical storm

    • @windingroad9678
      @windingroad9678 2 года назад

      Thanks, I found it.

  • @linda_lawson
    @linda_lawson 2 года назад +2

    Y’all picked the right crew! Steve is a winner.

  • @skohaya
    @skohaya 2 года назад +13

    Hope all is well! Would be great if you could post a community update every week so viewers don't start to panic. I can only hope you are having so much fun as your videos are usually months behind. 🤗🌟

    • @tomcappy3956
      @tomcappy3956 2 года назад +1

      Anyone know where they are now?? I expected to see something about their arrival in Bermuda.

    • @kilr650
      @kilr650 2 года назад +3

      @@keylimers if you look on the video of “sailing Zingaro in the eye of a storm” you will see why we have not had any news. They are ok but in the middle of a storm in Bermuda

    • @kilr650
      @kilr650 2 года назад +3

      @@tomcappy3956 check on you tube in the eye of a storm. Zingaro talks about them. They are ok

  • @theathetinker9258
    @theathetinker9258 2 года назад +1

    I'm sure it sound odd, and repugnant to some, but the best solution for seasickness I've found I learned in the US Navy.
    Sliders. The second night out dinner was always a greasy burger with all the toppings. Sometimes it was the last thing in the world I wanted to eat, but it never failed to put a little grease in the plumbing to settle. Oil on troubled waters and all that.

  • @Stan_L
    @Stan_L 2 года назад +1

    Great video! Thanks for sharing.

  • @bucc5062
    @bucc5062 2 года назад +1

    Beautiful. Oh to see and experience that water...

  • @themt.oceans
    @themt.oceans 2 года назад +1

    Yay, we’re sailing! Stay safe everyone.

  • @vandalorian8777
    @vandalorian8777 2 года назад +1

    So happy to see someone install jack lines properly.

  • @paulbuttner6808
    @paulbuttner6808 2 года назад +1

    Great to see you have started your incredible adventure. Best of luck, enjoy and stay safe. Looking forward to seeing your next video. Thank you for sharing this with us.

  • @sarah-ken
    @sarah-ken 2 года назад +3

    Enjoy the life experiences, 1 step at a time.

  • @EDFETHER
    @EDFETHER 2 года назад

    When you left Beauford, NC you crossed the area of ocean where the Gulf Stream and Labrador currents meet. It's the most confused waters on the east coast. I don't know many who can tolerate that area easily. I was on a destroyer with 1/2 the crew down with sea sickness when we crossed that area. Enjoy the rest of the trip!

  • @gavinspring1350
    @gavinspring1350 2 года назад +39

    I didn't want it to end. Great episode everyone. Thankyou. Stay safe.

    • @debbiecollins1154
      @debbiecollins1154 2 года назад +3

      I also didn’t want it to end. You guy’s stay safe and looking forward to next week for another amazing video.

    • @scyz2807
      @scyz2807 2 года назад +1

      @@debbiecollins1154 They have to skip next week. So you'll have to wait 2 weeks.

    • @windingroad9678
      @windingroad9678 2 года назад

      Why are they skipping next week?

    • @scyz2807
      @scyz2807 2 года назад

      @@windingroad9678 I think it's because they will be out in the Atlantic Ocean and not be able to up load it.

    • @windingroad9678
      @windingroad9678 2 года назад

      Makes sense....well two weeks is a long time lol

  • @SteveCockneyRebel
    @SteveCockneyRebel 2 года назад +1

    The sunsets are amazing

  • @johng6109
    @johng6109 2 года назад +3

    I’m so excited for you guys!

  • @TheThisami
    @TheThisami 2 года назад +34

    Inspiring!! Shout out to Steve...seems like a solid addition to the crew!

  • @TurnOffYourTV
    @TurnOffYourTV 2 года назад

    Wonderful filmmaking. Thx again Atticus.

  • @alexmclife2261
    @alexmclife2261 2 года назад

    Watching you, i'm just confident that you're all safe because i'm watching this video. God Bless

  • @Bradzuzu
    @Bradzuzu 2 года назад +6

    I'm impressed with your meals cooked at sea in those conditions wow !! Steve rocks , he makes for a great crew addition ....!! Love seeing the boat sailing finally ,it handles itself nicely ...

  • @palmerpinckney
    @palmerpinckney 2 года назад +1

    I'm feeling, I wish I were Steve. 😇 What a great experience.

  • @localboy4584
    @localboy4584 2 года назад

    I love you all and Little Buddy and wish you god speed and safe travels!

  • @AnytimeRVers
    @AnytimeRVers 2 года назад +1

    Excellent video. Thanks for the great entertainment.

  • @trevorc6554
    @trevorc6554 2 года назад +4

    Finally start sailing and no video?

  • @jimfisk4474
    @jimfisk4474 2 года назад

    Hi again Desiree Jordan ohso and Steve. You're getting there and enjoy the scenery as always. Lots of hard work and taking chances but the enjoyment is wonderful. Haven't seen Desiree's mom or Jordans mom and dad lately. Well thanks much and catch you on the next one. Bon voyage

  • @Chabink
    @Chabink 2 года назад

    I love the no BS straight talk you guys engage in. A + B + C = What it is. Thank you.

  • @barbaraburdick1333
    @barbaraburdick1333 2 года назад +1

    Oh looking like a great adventure! Stay safe!

  • @VF74ord
    @VF74ord 2 года назад +4

    Hope everything is alright, no updates on the voyage!

  • @KCF2024
    @KCF2024 2 года назад +2

    Every crew needs a Steve.

  • @johnwalker6711
    @johnwalker6711 2 года назад +1

    Well done !! back into cruising mode , looking forward to the new adventures

  • @ckva7888
    @ckva7888 2 года назад

    Sailors and ships rot in port and the first part of a sailor to rot is the sea-legs. So good to see you under way again . Wishing you Fare winds and kindly seas on your passage.

  • @jrmichel1975
    @jrmichel1975 2 года назад +3

    Do we have news since the last video? Perhaps on their Patreon?

  • @robjohnson2649
    @robjohnson2649 2 года назад +2

    Go Steve! Great video

  • @robertnixon3816
    @robertnixon3816 2 года назад

    And thats passage making! Good, fast trip. Great video with some beautiful photography! When you leave Bermuda it won't take as long to get your sea legs! Enjoy!

  • @RoyalJoke248
    @RoyalJoke248 2 года назад +1

    You will re-establish your sea legs and be fine. Just keep at it. Keep sailing, avoid below decks time and be on deck. There are few sailors who can be below decks cooking etc. early in a voyage after weeks on shore then going off shore in confused sea states.

    • @emilybh6255
      @emilybh6255 2 года назад

      I'd rather be on deck and for that matter cook on a gimballed burner or grill over the stern. I'd want to sleep in the cockpit too unless it was flat calm.

  • @lancepearson62
    @lancepearson62 2 года назад

    they look to be in a slip now in the marina from live tracking in horta Monday at 1 pm our time. 5 pm local time

  • @williamrae9693
    @williamrae9693 2 года назад +13

    My first offshore trip was from Bermuda to Newport, RI. I assumed I wouldn't have a problem since I rarely got seasick. But the motion of ocean sailing is completely different. I was a basket case for the first 24 hours. On my next offshore trip I tried Transderm Scop (the patch) and it worked great to get me through the first few days until I got my sea legs. I recommend you try the patch so you don't have to suffer during those first days a sea. There is a pharmacy in St. Georges. Also, anything with ginger helps a lot, ginger ale or beer, ginger cookies and ginger tea. Triscuit crackers are great to eat when you can't tolerate anything else. I recommend the St. Georges Dinghy & Sport Club. Great place to tie up with bar, showers, and a short walk down the hill to the village. Try the Whitehorse Pub and Restaurant. I wish I was going with you, I miss Bermuda!

    • @steveherzing6596
      @steveherzing6596 2 года назад +2

      Lots of really good stuff here! Thank you for sharing. 😊

    • @rogernelson3859
      @rogernelson3859 2 года назад +1

      You met Brenda at the dinghy club??

    • @williamrae9693
      @williamrae9693 2 года назад

      @@rogernelson3859 Is Brenda the club commodore and bartender? Then, Yes! Gosling gave a rum tasting at the club that was a great party. The rum may mave contributed to my seasickness the next day but was a price worth paying.

    • @rogernelson3859
      @rogernelson3859 2 года назад

      @@williamrae9693 Brenda is the tender of the bar, but I don't believe she's the commodore. I was there in middle of May with the northbound OPO NARC rally, a few weeks ago now, and we tied up at the dinghy club. I believe Sheila is the commodore, if I remember her name correctly. It was a pleasure to meet Brenda; we had fun with her and she's a class act! Hopefully you got a dark and stormy glass at the party! We enjoyed Bermuda immensely!

  • @harlkimble8951
    @harlkimble8951 2 года назад

    Looks like you had a good shake down cruise. Fair Winds and Following Seas on your voyage.

  • @francismontocchio9910
    @francismontocchio9910 2 года назад +6

    This was my favourite episode - I've followed you from the first days of Atticus I. Thank you so much for an honest and real account of what you guys are doing.

  • @stanleysteamcar
    @stanleysteamcar 2 года назад

    Great video guys. Your safety policy and protocol is second to none and at last a boat that has Jack Lines inboard. Every time I see people clip onto those along the toe rail I cringe that they're in the right place to drown themselves and they think they're so safe. I also don't like to see people with lifejackets on down below. Boat gets knocked down and doesn't right for some reason, lifejacket deploys and you're pinned to the cabin sole whilst you drown! Worse in motor vessels as they don't normally self right.
    Thank you for bringing us these videos, showing the safest way to sail, stay safe and enjoy

  • @imabeliever244
    @imabeliever244 2 года назад +76

    Imagine my surprise when I got to the end of this video and realized that Jordan didn't have to repair ANYTHING?! Atticus II sure is different from Atticus...in a really reassuring way.

    • @anitafarwell5325
      @anitafarwell5325 2 года назад

      😄

    • @imabeliever244
      @imabeliever244 2 года назад

      @@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 Right, but nothing was really off-shore tested and the old Atticus nearly always had a system or two that needed attention. Perhaps you only got aboard with the new boat and don't remember the continual problems the little old boat presented?

    • @imabeliever244
      @imabeliever244 2 года назад +1

      @@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 ...which is why I stated that the new boat is sure different than the old.

    • @johnbilyeu1460
      @johnbilyeu1460 2 года назад

      Well yeah.. what is there on the boat that he didn't repair, replace or upgrade beforehand?

  • @para1324
    @para1324 2 года назад +21

    And then everyone got their sea legs including Little Buddy. A fine crew and beautiful crossing.

  • @patbodkin1933
    @patbodkin1933 2 года назад

    Pretzels, pretzels, pretzels are the best for sea sickness!!!! Believe me!!!! There was one cruising in our Pearson 424 with really confusing seas that our dog and son threw up out in the cockpit. What a mess. I am steering and husband washing it down the cockpit drains. Son therefore started eating pretzels but not the dog. Enjoy your travels!!!!

  • @pdbordelon
    @pdbordelon 2 года назад +3

    I'm so pumped you guys are doing it! From the internet: Seasickness usually occurs in the first 12 to 24 hours after “setting sail,” and dissipates once the body acclimates to the ship's motion. It's rare for anyone to get or stay ill beyond the first couple of days at sea-unless the vessel encounters really rough waves.

    • @hawaiibound62
      @hawaiibound62 2 года назад +2

      AND ADD ON MORNING SICKNESS WITH HER PREGNANCY.!!!! NO FUN, I WOULD KNOW!!

  • @yoyojoe9240
    @yoyojoe9240 2 года назад +1

    How about using Waxed paper between the layers of the food packages. (?) Worked for me in the past.

  • @kevinhildum9186
    @kevinhildum9186 2 года назад +1

    It's good to see you back out on the ocean again. I've had four different sailboats myself and I've done some deliveries of sailboats, one in particular in 2007 I was first mate on a lagoon 440 we took it from fort Lauderdale Florida to Hawaii Oahu haleiwa that was a wonderful trip. I've never been seasick so I feel for you guys. it's good to hear that you're feeling better. I hope someday to get another sailboat and be able to at least Cruise the Caribbean that would be good enough for me I'm getting older.

    • @larrimos
      @larrimos 2 года назад +1

      I hope you get to sail again too Kevin. Good luck!🍀

  • @baja27100
    @baja27100 2 года назад

    Feel bad for the sea sickness happening, I did Commercial fishing (65ft down east dragger nets) in the Atlantic. Keeping busy helps, staying out of the cabin except for sleeping or staying busy cooking cleaning. The only time I’d get nauseous is when others throw up or talk about not feeling good. Change the subject.

  • @rainfinger
    @rainfinger 2 года назад

    Capt Oso is the best, totally funning the foredeck. I see you emptying his mat. Our pup will have to learn this on passage to Bermuda.

  • @tonymacgrath7762
    @tonymacgrath7762 2 года назад

    Safe travels and passage you 4 xxx

  • @rickkwitkoski1976
    @rickkwitkoski1976 2 года назад

    Captain Oso... what a puppy!
    Good vid. Nice to see you out sailing... FINALLY!

  • @WavedancerWesterlyfulmar
    @WavedancerWesterlyfulmar 2 года назад

    You’re blessed with Steve

  • @GS-kx1ys
    @GS-kx1ys 2 года назад

    Great to see you guys sailing again. Sorry for the woozies. Gunna get better and ye ol sea legs'el return!

  • @bobsails9750
    @bobsails9750 2 года назад

    Thank you.

  • @janetjeason1341
    @janetjeason1341 2 года назад

    Two weeks ago I watch a Zingaro video showing you guys getting beat up in Bermuda Hoping you are alright ....This is the video I watched ...LIVE: In The Eye Of A Tropical Storm.... Sailing Zingaro

  • @mongo600825
    @mongo600825 2 года назад

    I have been waiting so long for this update haha keep on going guys

  • @robertkresse3684
    @robertkresse3684 2 года назад +1

    I am watching you on youtube I have seen some beautiful camera work that makes me wish I was right there with you. Sail safely I am looking forward to seeing everyone in Bermuda.

  • @tonyrobson905
    @tonyrobson905 2 года назад +5

    So far this is one of the best renditions of a Crossing I’ve seen yet. You guys are so honest about what you experience yet keep hard and true to what you need to do day by day to get to your destination. Bravo, keep up the good work!

  • @wjhann4836
    @wjhann4836 2 года назад +1

    "Wonderful morning" - only the autopilot is a little bit screaming 😅

  • @Duh6666666
    @Duh6666666 2 года назад +6

    Great video, beautiful shots. I'm so stoked for you guys, open seas, finally! Fair winds.

  • @TPLeary
    @TPLeary 2 года назад +1

    Safe travels, reef early and often when necessary.

  • @nealeburgess6756
    @nealeburgess6756 2 года назад

    Great to finally see Atticus ll sailing a passage. I hope the rest of the crossing goes well. After Gibraltar, turn left into Du Quesa port. I'll have some beer on ice ready!

  • @skohaya
    @skohaya 2 года назад +1

    So all of us worry warts. Supposedly, Atticus has a bad time in Bermuda and caught reformed winds from Hurricaine Agatha. Sailing Zingaro "live: In the Eye of a tropical storm" explained how they struggled to stayed anchored in 40+kt winds. Someone else tracked them not far from Portugal. For all of us subscribers, Could a friend or family of Atticus post a Community Post to update RUclipsrs? Even a message on RUclips. "Rough Seas" lots to share in 2 weeks. Kinda of left us hanging out to sea, literally. We just care. Hope all is ❤️‍🩹.

  • @cooperm8899
    @cooperm8899 2 года назад +3

    I was so excited for this episode and it didn't disappoint. Your channel was one of the handfuls of sailing channels that inspired me to buy and live aboard my boat. I'll get it cruising ready but an Atlantic crossing like this is the next BIG goal.

  • @wadeshore
    @wadeshore 2 года назад

    Congratulations on setting sail 🎉🎉

  • @pwnerpinistic
    @pwnerpinistic 2 года назад

    Well said at the end Jordan!

  • @janetmessman95
    @janetmessman95 2 года назад

    I was also concerned. Glad they are ok.

  • @JanisTilyard
    @JanisTilyard 2 года назад

    Awesome video 🙌🙌🙌. Thanks Team Atticus.

  • @JohnTye
    @JohnTye 2 года назад +1

    as a mid-westerner that has never sailed it's really weird to learn that experienced sailers still get seasick. Sorry you're having to go through that. Hope it subsides.

    • @rickkwitkoski1976
      @rickkwitkoski1976 2 года назад

      Your Vestibular (Inner ear balance) system needs to adjust from land steady to constant sea rocking.

  • @CC-kt2hm
    @CC-kt2hm 2 года назад

    At last you’re on your way👍 i’m so excited!

  • @americanbornwalkaway9110
    @americanbornwalkaway9110 2 года назад

    MAY God Bless you Guide and Protect you in this Journey 🙏🙏🙏🙏

  • @HumbertoMalaspina
    @HumbertoMalaspina 2 года назад +2

    The day has finally arrived and you have achieved a fantastic goal. From this moment a world full of adventures, challenges and fun opens up. Enjoy it to the fullest. I send you my best wishes for happiness and success.

  • @buchness3
    @buchness3 2 года назад

    Oh my goodness! You're expecting! I must have missed the video/videos you shared this news!

  • @adversaryfoe4012
    @adversaryfoe4012 2 года назад

    Loving steve, man. Dude is a legend!

  • @pDOT508
    @pDOT508 2 года назад

    Great perspective + positivity 🌎⛵️

  • @diannadarling699
    @diannadarling699 2 года назад +1

    What was Steve reading 👏😂🍿🧙‍♀️
    Cheers

  • @russellegge9840
    @russellegge9840 2 года назад

    Thanks for the Captain Ron reference. Great video

  • @billiebrooks2377
    @billiebrooks2377 2 года назад

    Good seeing you all enjoying Gods Creation! Cannot wait too see you catch a fish! Washington and the Brooks miss you.

  • @carolgale2590
    @carolgale2590 2 года назад

    Know that beautiful port well. Fair winds.

  • @tomriley5790
    @tomriley5790 2 года назад +19

    I suggest looking at teamo's "backtow" lifejackets, they turn you and tow you on your back if you fall off whilst clipped in, so you avoid the issue of being towed facefirst and drowned (they were developed after an incident where this happened). Congratulations on getting out to sea!

    • @faircompetition1203
      @faircompetition1203 2 года назад

      They were sold out when I looked into it

    • @mschretter
      @mschretter 2 года назад

      @@faircompetition1203 they are almost always sold out, just write Lauren an e-mail.

  • @mr.kcfromthe8138
    @mr.kcfromthe8138 2 года назад +2

    We do "safety" meetings slightly differently.

  • @jonunya3128
    @jonunya3128 2 года назад

    pulled pork sammich and cole slaw is a great thing... put a slab of cheddar on the bun then the pork for maximum heart clogging goodness. really enjoy the channel, thanks guys, stay safe.

  • @kevinsnelson2387
    @kevinsnelson2387 2 года назад +2

    My vote for most ah-maz-ing couple on RUclips. Making me smile every week without fail for a handful of years now. Thank you so much for doing what you do.

  • @andremarais2706
    @andremarais2706 2 года назад

    Boat looks stunning.

  • @wolfganghorak
    @wolfganghorak 2 года назад +3

    How are you, Desiree & Jordon? Miss your episode last Saturday. Is all ok with you?

  • @davidjefferis5832
    @davidjefferis5832 2 года назад

    Great video. Love it when you are at sea.

  • @stanfordbanks3399
    @stanfordbanks3399 2 года назад

    I hope you had a great trip... 👍 I'm sure by the time I see this your already on your 2nd leg of the trip.... Be safe 🙏 The Banks Family 👪

  • @lancepearson62
    @lancepearson62 2 года назад

    You were almost to Bermuda yet no video this week. I wonder if you decided to just go straight on to the Azores or have some kind of issue. I hope it is the former, not the latter. I sailed a 40' sailboat from Hampton Rds to Bermuda and back with 4 others and it was a lovely trip of 635 miles each way with good early June weather also.
    Hope you are having all good sailing.

  • @327365hp
    @327365hp 2 года назад

    Beautiful sailing!

  • @islandonlinenews
    @islandonlinenews 2 года назад

    Well that was an emotional rollercoaster.

  • @MrMichaelcurran
    @MrMichaelcurran 2 года назад

    Well, your feet wet heading East, it’s a fine sail to the Bahama’s. It’s good ya found a third person to ease the watches, aid in getting things done, and he knows how to pack meat. A fine sail for all. Be safe and enjoy!

  • @king_snipes2423
    @king_snipes2423 2 года назад +3

    Well… it’s been two weeks. I fear the worst now 😰

  • @ericpadilla8326
    @ericpadilla8326 2 года назад +2

    okay so they didn't post anything this weekend.
    Hope you guys are safe. out there.