@@jeremybly The systems allow you to each listen to your own music (we do that too). If we're going somewhere new, our GPS is telling us the directions and if you want to talk, just talk. If you don't, no need to. It's the best value-add we've ever added to our rides and highly recommend trying them out.
I can't imagine how anyone can do a group ride without helmet comms. It's so much safer when you can tell other riders about road conditions ahead, especially if it's dark or in pouring rain.
Having Mrs. LoosingParts on the back and getting out is awesome. She was sketchy about it until we had the Cardo’s. Being able to talk and keep her at ease has made this new thing for her super fun. Now that Little L.P. Is riding too I can coach her on the road. Total game changer.
Man, I love that you've been talking a lot about the social aspects of riding lately. It's a topic that seems to not get as much coverage on RUclips. It almost makes me wish I rode with other people, lol.
My lovely wife loves to ride two-up! We ride two-up probably 99% of the time. I'm not sure who likes it more; her or me. I just bought a new Goldwing (she told me to for the last few years) and so I'm (we) are looking forward to LOTS of riding in our new home of northeastern Tennessee. You summed it up perfectly, Dave, when you ended by saying that at the end of the day, there is no one you'd rather be riding with than Mrs. CanyonChaser! It is truly a wonderful thing when our spouses love to ride (either on their own or as a passenger) as much as we do! Thank you, sir, for all of your great insights!! Indeed, ride on and ride well!!
Awesome content as always! Wasn't really mentioned, but I'd say these tips about communication and expectations would be just as important with a pillion rider.
We got the Cardo Packtalk Black duos a year or so ago and they have been awesome. The wife rides pillion and being able to talk on a long trip is awesome. They were a little glitchy at first but a firmware update straightened them right out. Life is easier when she likes riding along every now and again for sure!
It's important to not skimp on your headset. Typically, you get what you pay for and if you get a cheapo, you will typically loose connection around a single corner. Thanks for an awesome video as always!
Nice video and tips. I have a group of guys that I love riding with and having comms is part of the ride experience. Occasionally we'll ride with some new members and that can create challenges when they don't mesh (pun intended?) with some of the group. The benefits of comms on a shared ride outweigh the disadvantages, for the most part.
i have more excellent photos, great stories and an overall better amount of time spent in beautiful places (instead of gas stations) thanks almost entirely to my Cardo Headset. "hey let's pull over here" is a game changer. The safety aspect of changing road conditions is a close second. We use them on the street bikes and the dirt bikes and i hate being without them. and in terms of interface, Cardo is miles better. "push this knob while twisting to change songs" was clearly designed by some guy who thought he was clever and never actually tried doing it on a twisty road.
I've been a huge fan of our Cardo slim, but pairing it with my Garmin has been a game changer. I can finally leave my phone in a pocket and listen to music on the boring straight bits using the Garmin controls. It really improved my enjoyment on trips.
Wow, hitting on so many lessons that I have learned while riding with friends and my wife. I hope that other riders are able to hear this advice before they too have to learn those lessons the hard way.
Hey Dave, my bikes cannot leave the garage without the "better half" beating to the driveway....although for us its a Two-Up ride. She's pretty good at the communications via hand signals, but we might just need a set of these Cardo Edges as soon as the winter leaves the North East.
Damm... Dave your videos... Its view....its route...its killing me... again i salute you for your contents...very humble teaching and nice to watch..keep it up dave.... ride race and respect
Great video Dave. The wife, daughter and I already have headsets but thanks for the discount code too. Sage advice on not coaching a spouse. It never works out whether it's motorcycles, CrossFit, martial arts or marksmanship. Seek out coaching outside of each other!
Sure does. It pairs with your phone, so you can just say “Hey Cardo,” followed by the command: “volume up,” “mute audio,” “music on,” “next track,” even “battery status.” It even allows for “Hey Siri” and “OK Google” commands to your phone.
Once you're comfortable riding with like minded friends it's hard to beat. Such good memories, and always looking forward to the next one. I'm the guy that's always- I wonder where this goes? And omg, can't wait to show them! With friends I've ridden my 1st Harley, Indian, MT09 (we're a pretty tight bunch). And riding with my spouse on the back is the best, in another way, more just appreciating this beautiful planet and how lucky we are. Although I cherish the time we were coming back north from a 2up clinic in southern Idaho (always 2 laners) and I'm just putting along, me: How's it going honey? She: Well, it's a little boring"....Ha! OK then!! Great topic, thanks. And comms are a game changer, for all the reasons you said.
i have been a professional sports coach for 20 years. 1st rule of coaching is. "You never coach anyone you have seen naked!" Group riding over many years of trying it, I found i prefer solo. I very rarely do group rides anymore. We did use helmet communication and what happened everybody what's to talk at the same time and nobody listens. So i turned my music on and told the leader i will meet you at the hotel in the evening. that's just me and my .02
I hear you! Anymore, the only person I really want to chat with while riding is Mrs CanyonChasers. Riding has become a selfish experience and I'm okay with that!
A slick comm setup alleviates a lot of moto charades and pantomiming that I have to perform on the bike these days. "What?! Do you need gas? Water?!" "Oooh, there's a mudslide ahead..."
It would be nice if the different brands used open source mesh (or something) so we can communicate no matter what brand you have. I'm not a fan of doing gymnastics just trying to connect my SENA to a Cardo or vice versa.
@@TMCmakes I have a 50S and tried to connect to a friend that has a Cardo via mesh. I forget what model Cardo he has. We couldn't get it to work and just went riding without comms. Not sure what we did wrong. Need a big red button with the word "Easy" on it.
Interoperability is a key issue; I’d like to be able to have a system that can communicate with other major systems and brands are commonly used. Is this an impossible dream, or does such a unicorn exist?
Hi Dave et al. I agree with all your notes on paired riding, bar one. I've had a different experience with intercoms, I find them very distracting. The one thing I don't want when I'm setting up for a tricky section, or trying to spot the right road sign at 100 KPH is suddenly getting 'hey! Did you see that sheep!' blasting in my ear. Whilst I find chatting about what we've seen at a stop a really addition to an essentially solo sport, the 'insto-reaction, two blue ticks, Bob is typing ' effect of Comms is, at least for me, a detraction. But then, I'm old enough to appreciate 'delayed gratification' as a lifestyle...😎
My wife made me take out the story where I was tipping into an especially technical corner when she chimed in over the radio; "So... I was thinking about changing the curtains in the living room..." So, your point is quite valid! 😎
It‘s so funny. Your advice to have the less experienced rider ride behind doesn‘t work for me and my wife. She rides so insecure when she‘s behind because she takes me as a reference: if I slow down for a turn so that we can stay together, she immediately believes that the turn is super tight or challenging and slows down even more and instead of taking the 40mph turn leisurely at 35mph she’ll be at 25 or even 20 mph. If she is in front, that totally changes! It’s not that I can’t keep up with her but I can take the turns way more dynamic without tailgating her
I mean are you actually saying low speed skills are unimportant? What do you mean by realistically unimportant u-turn? I didn’t interpret it saying low speed is useless
First. Thank you for asking!! They're not unimportant, but their importance is over emphasized. So, all the time we hear about how they translate to higher speeds. They don't. I've done contract coaching for Highway Patrol motors a bunch of times. Yeah, they kill it on the cone weaves, far better than I can do them (just like Ari Henning), but are terrible (not hyperbole) terrible in the fast stuff, taking a lot of uncecessary risk with a lot of false confidence. We are not dying by failing to do U-turns, but a lot of riders give up because sociatal pressure to keep feet on pegs during slow speed moves. So, we believe in "Foot-Ready" U-turns. Just keep your foot out at the ready. If you dont' need it. Cool, you didn't need it. If you do need it, disaster averted, you didn't have to drop your bike and break a shift lever. Here's what happens all the time. Someone gets a bike, is just learning to ride, and have been told they need to keep their feet on the pegs during slow speed moves. So they fall over in the Denny's parking lot. They have to ask for help to get the bike off their foot. They've scratched the pipe, bent or broken a lever. They are embarassed and discouraged. Then it happens again, two weeks later at the gas station. And then again doing a U-turn on some crappy back road. And then they give up and say "I just don't have time to ride". Thats a long explanation to say "Keeping your feet on the pegs isn't all that important" and we'd rather riders focus practice time in areas where riders are getting killed. Running wide in corners and failing to use the brakes appropriately. Who cares about U-turns?
@@CanyonChasers thanks. It’s funny because I sent him a video of yours years ago to get his thoughts and he went off on a tirade about how foolish ot would be for someone so experienced as him to watch videos from people less experienced when he can just asked famous pro’s instead. Guess he finally watched one.
Haha - sounds consistent. He got his first motorcycle, I think, in 2013. I became a basic rider coach in 1999 and got my first street bike in 1988 after many years of crappy dirt bikes in my youth. The irony is, he now disagree's with a lot of famous pro's, national and world champions and whatnot that have tried to talk to him about some of his "ideas".
@@CanyonChasers his short about you was particularly perplexing in one spot where he said “he just learned that at champ school”… what’s the issue with that? He himself pitches champ school all the time and is or was a coach there at one point iirc, definitely went as a student 69,420 times I know because that’s part of his thing about him having so much more experience than 99% of people on RUclips because his view is you can ride for 30 years and have little to know real skill/experience but yea. What else do “pros” and he disagree on? Look I’ve never been one for RUclips drama & I’m sure most riders aren’t…adult ones at least, but if there’s disagreement amongst big names in the RUclips teaching space on important components of riding that aren’t just “style” differences than that’s worth people calling out imo but I get the hesitancy for yt’ers to start “fights”. anyway.
He's made a couple of video's calling me out over the years and it really makes me sad because I think we could make such a better, more positive impact, if we could have more consistent messaging or at least focus on what we agree on instead of tearing each other down. I chat with a lot of the other YT guys from time to time, and we don't agree 100% on everything all the time, but none of us have ever thrown shade at eachother. In fact, when one of us makes a good video, it's common to get/share a compliment comment. Kevin at MCRider, Bret Tkacs, Jerry Palladino, Mike on Bikes, even Dan Dan the Fireman. Hell, I've even had very positive chats with Ari, Zack and Spurg and I've built strong friendships with the guys at Champ School. We're all friendly with each other. I see it as we all have our audiences that we can reach. Bret has more dirt acumen. Kevin gets touring guys, right? There's room here for everyone, we don't need to shit on each other.
I brought my wife out once about 20 years ago, and my ears are still ringing from her bashing me on the head to slow down. Needless to say, it never happened again hahaha
I can safely predict my wife would be similar - not a confident passenger in a car and hates speed. She was my first passenger as a pilot, and had her eyes closed during what is, even now, my very slickest landing because she thought we would die (it was a crosswind landing on a narrow runway, so a bit happening). So, our 28 year marriage might be harmed if she hopped on the back of my bike!
You have to remember your pillion has a greater sense of danger because they are not in control and your melon is in their way. Start out slow and build trust and confidence; but that means riding for *their* comfort, not to your skill.
oh cool video oh cool video oh well not cool video sponsored sell me something video. I don't like the bait and switch three minutes in. If you've got a sponsor or a video revolving around a sponsor consider putting that in small text in the corner in the first 10 seconds of the video. I don't mind sponsored content espically if its still helpful information but I REALLY don't like the bait and switch of this is educational specific content and then the well we made this video specifically to talk about our sponsor. You did come back and bring more helpful information past the sponsored segment but you nearly lost me on the video entirely and the only reason i watched through was because I wanted to type out this comment and give you feedback.
I'm really sorry you feel that way. The video is tagged as "paid promotion" (and has the text in the upper left hand corner for the first 7 seconds of the video) even though we only get paid a very small percentage if someone uses the coupon code. These video's are time consuming and expensive to make. Drones, cameras, editng softare, etc, are not free and we have to be able to pay for all of it somehow if we are going to be able to keep making them.
@@CanyonChasers I'm not saying don't. I understand the economics. I was frustrated with how the line of sponsored message and not-sponsored message comes across. You did your legal diligence for disclosing, I want to give you credit for that. Yes you may personally use their system but using their talking points next to your genuine thoughts and unbiased opinion feels disingenuous. I know you won't support a product you don't believe in, but that does make your input on it biased. You do do a good job on disclosing mid video that they're a supporter of the channel so maybe my frustration isnt warranted. I think a clear delineation of what is and isnt paid for is important. This video could have very well been sponsored by them in its entirety and knowing that you only get a cut of sales changes my opinion somewhat. I spoke out in frustration before because of how loose lots of videos have become, specifically yama's champ program which many channels have made a weird mix of infomercial and full on advert without really disclosure. Anyways thanks for the response, ride safe.
I honestly appreciate your feedback on this. It's a really hard line to walk, and your frustration with other channels is legitimate. Ironically, I didn't use a single one of their talking points but just talked about what I like about their product and tried to integrate it with a topic area that was relevant. At first I thought in-line adverts for mobile phone games and hair growth gel with a scrolling yellow bar would be less upsetting to folks, We did one mid-roll with Nord VPN which was a huge deal for us. That one mid-roll was six weeks worth of revenue and paid off the new drone - thats a big deal - but people were so upset about it I haven't done another one like it and have gone with motorcycle specific products that I actually use. Maybe thats worse? Anyway, serously, thanks for taking the time to reach out! At the end of the day, I make these for you guys and I try to make the best video's I can, the hard part is trying to pay for it all.
@@CanyonChasers Thank you for your response :) I do think an unrelated (topic wise) ad min-video is really rough and personally prefer a very early ad or a very late one. I think for a related one it can be decent. Check out internet shaquille for my preferred inclusion of ad related content. A hook to the ad mid-video (usually) and an ad at the end - I think its responsible and a very clear line of ethical advertisement. On slightly related topic, do you listen to music on solo rides or do you try to keep hyper aware?
In this case I could do what I want but most of inline ads (unless you are multi-million subscriber channel) the advertiser says "ad must run within the first 60 seconds of the video and must be 3 mintues long. The top line of the description must be the about the product and you must pin a comment about the product". We don't get a lot of say, and thats why we don't do those ads hardley ever. As far as music, i'm meh on it. I'll listen if it's a long boring stretch of road and thats about it. On twisty bit, the music never seems to match the flow of the road.
Love our Cardo Edges. There’s no going back 🙌
I would rather listen to music. We generally know how each other rides. And we make stops at stop signs to sort anything out.
@@jeremybly The systems allow you to each listen to your own music (we do that too). If we're going somewhere new, our GPS is telling us the directions and if you want to talk, just talk. If you don't, no need to. It's the best value-add we've ever added to our rides and highly recommend trying them out.
@TayBeltz thanks for the info
Dave giving useful riding advice and relationship advice in the same video. Absolute talent.
Glad you enjoyed it
I can't imagine how anyone can do a group ride without helmet comms. It's so much safer when you can tell other riders about road conditions ahead, especially if it's dark or in pouring rain.
Oh man! I hate riding in the dark and pouring rain!
Having Mrs. LoosingParts on the back and getting out is awesome. She was sketchy about it until we had the Cardo’s. Being able to talk and keep her at ease has made this new thing for her super fun. Now that Little L.P. Is riding too I can coach her on the road. Total game changer.
Man, I love that you've been talking a lot about the social aspects of riding lately. It's a topic that seems to not get as much coverage on RUclips.
It almost makes me wish I rode with other people, lol.
Thank you!
My lovely wife loves to ride two-up! We ride two-up probably 99% of the time. I'm not sure who likes it more; her or me. I just bought a new Goldwing (she told me to for the last few years) and so I'm (we) are looking forward to LOTS of riding in our new home of northeastern Tennessee. You summed it up perfectly, Dave, when you ended by saying that at the end of the day, there is no one you'd rather be riding with than Mrs. CanyonChaser! It is truly a wonderful thing when our spouses love to ride (either on their own or as a passenger) as much as we do! Thank you, sir, for all of your great insights!! Indeed, ride on and ride well!!
I couldn’t agree more!
Awesome content as always!
Wasn't really mentioned, but I'd say these tips about communication and expectations would be just as important with a pillion rider.
Absolutely! Thanks for bringing that up!
We got the Cardo Packtalk Black duos a year or so ago and they have been awesome. The wife rides pillion and being able to talk on a long trip is awesome. They were a little glitchy at first but a firmware update straightened them right out. Life is easier when she likes riding along every now and again for sure!
One thing we really like about Cardo is their constant improvement.
It's important to not skimp on your headset. Typically, you get what you pay for and if you get a cheapo, you will typically loose connection around a single corner.
Thanks for an awesome video as always!
Yeah, our early attempts at bike-to-bike communcation was mostly just really frustrating.
Your videos are fantastic, thank you. And, you are a lucky man getting to ride with your wife. Keep up the great work, its very inspiring.
Greetings from the PPRC good advice as always. Thanks for sharing.🇺🇸🏍
Thanks for watching!
Nice video and tips. I have a group of guys that I love riding with and having comms is part of the ride experience. Occasionally we'll ride with some new members and that can create challenges when they don't mesh (pun intended?) with some of the group. The benefits of comms on a shared ride outweigh the disadvantages, for the most part.
We totally agree. Sometimes riding with a group of good friends, the long-straight boring bits almost become a session of comedy hour, right?
@@CanyonChasers Exactly. We roast each other equally.😂
i have more excellent photos, great stories and an overall better amount of time spent in beautiful places (instead of gas stations) thanks almost entirely to my Cardo Headset. "hey let's pull over here" is a game changer. The safety aspect of changing road conditions is a close second. We use them on the street bikes and the dirt bikes and i hate being without them.
and in terms of interface, Cardo is miles better. "push this knob while twisting to change songs" was clearly designed by some guy who thought he was clever and never actually tried doing it on a twisty road.
I agree with you. They have become a safety component for their ability to help reduce risk!
Amen 🙌
I've been a huge fan of our Cardo slim, but pairing it with my Garmin has been a game changer. I can finally leave my phone in a pocket and listen to music on the boring straight bits using the Garmin controls. It really improved my enjoyment on trips.
Garmin did a great job linking everything together.
Wow, hitting on so many lessons that I have learned while riding with friends and my wife. I hope that other riders are able to hear this advice before they too have to learn those lessons the hard way.
Right!?! Thats a big part of our goal. Sharing what we've learned to help others enjoy the experience even more.
@@CanyonChasers Based on the videos I’ve watched you’re doing an awesome job. Thank you for helping the community.
Hey Dave, my bikes cannot leave the garage without the "better half" beating to the driveway....although for us its a Two-Up ride. She's pretty good at the communications via hand signals, but we might just need a set of these Cardo Edges as soon as the winter leaves the North East.
We haven't used the Edges yet (Dead of Winter and all) but so far we're really excited about all the improvements.
This was a very sweet and heartwarming video.
Thank you
Damm... Dave your videos... Its view....its route...its killing me... again i salute you for your contents...very humble teaching and nice to watch..keep it up dave....
ride race and respect
Thank you so much! And thanks for being a channel member!!
Great video Dave. The wife, daughter and I already have headsets but thanks for the discount code too. Sage advice on not coaching a spouse. It never works out whether it's motorcycles, CrossFit, martial arts or marksmanship. Seek out coaching outside of each other!
Right?!? I think a lot of us have had to learn that one the hard way. 😂
Does the cardo allow you to make calls and receive them. I usually ride solo and would like to talk to my wife back at home while I'm riding.
Sure does. It pairs with your phone, so you can just say “Hey Cardo,” followed by the command: “volume up,” “mute audio,” “music on,” “next track,” even “battery status.” It even allows for “Hey Siri” and “OK Google” commands to your phone.
@@CanyonChasers Guess I know what's gonna be my Shoei's new best friend!
Really well said Sir.
Thank you!
Thats the best sign in the world on your wall 😎😎👌👌 i trust any dog over human
Dogs are the best. We don't deserve them.
Once you're comfortable riding with like minded friends it's hard to beat. Such good memories, and always looking forward to the next one. I'm the guy that's always- I wonder where this goes? And omg, can't wait to show them! With friends I've ridden my 1st Harley, Indian, MT09 (we're a pretty tight bunch). And riding with my spouse on the back is the best, in another way, more just appreciating this beautiful planet and how lucky we are. Although I cherish the time we were coming back north from a 2up clinic in southern Idaho (always 2 laners) and I'm just putting along, me: How's it going honey? She: Well, it's a little boring"....Ha! OK then!!
Great topic, thanks. And comms are a game changer, for all the reasons you said.
Well said! And the part about the wife is fantastic! 😎
i have been a professional sports coach for 20 years. 1st rule of coaching is. "You never coach anyone you have seen naked!"
Group riding over many years of trying it, I found i prefer solo. I very rarely do group rides anymore. We did use helmet communication and what happened everybody what's to talk at the same time and nobody listens. So i turned my music on and told the leader i will meet you at the hotel in the evening. that's just me and my .02
I hear you! Anymore, the only person I really want to chat with while riding is Mrs CanyonChasers. Riding has become a selfish experience and I'm okay with that!
A slick comm setup alleviates a lot of moto charades and pantomiming that I have to perform on the bike these days.
"What?! Do you need gas? Water?!"
"Oooh, there's a mudslide ahead..."
Happy Valentines! ♥️❤️♥️❤️
To you and your lovely bride as well!
It would be nice if the different brands used open source mesh (or something) so we can communicate no matter what brand you have. I'm not a fan of doing gymnastics just trying to connect my SENA to a Cardo or vice versa.
Cardo DMC connects to Sena mesh. which to me is another selling point for going Cardo.
@@TMCmakes Nice. But unfortunately invested a lot of cheddar into SENA already. Back in the day we just used hand signals, lol.
@@Schweinmesser you've spent more on tires or engine oil by an order of magnitude. everything is relative.
@@TMCmakes I have a 50S and tried to connect to a friend that has a Cardo via mesh. I forget what model Cardo he has. We couldn't get it to work and just went riding without comms. Not sure what we did wrong. Need a big red button with the word "Easy" on it.
@@Schweinmesser try this ruclips.net/video/seOySwhiTPs/видео.html
Interoperability is a key issue; I’d like to be able to have a system that can communicate with other major systems and brands are commonly used. Is this an impossible dream, or does such a unicorn exist?
It does. The new Cardo will connect with other brands/systems.
Every time I went riding with friends, it turned into Isle of Man TT race
Well, you know the first motorcycle race took place the moment the second motorcycle was built.
Hi Dave et al.
I agree with all your notes on paired riding, bar one.
I've had a different experience with intercoms, I find them very distracting. The one thing I don't want when I'm setting up for a tricky section, or trying to spot the right road sign at 100 KPH is suddenly getting 'hey! Did you see that sheep!' blasting in my ear.
Whilst I find chatting about what we've seen at a stop a really addition to an essentially solo sport, the 'insto-reaction, two blue ticks, Bob is typing ' effect of Comms is, at least for me, a detraction. But then, I'm old enough to appreciate 'delayed gratification' as a lifestyle...😎
My wife made me take out the story where I was tipping into an especially technical corner when she chimed in over the radio; "So... I was thinking about changing the curtains in the living room..." So, your point is quite valid! 😎
Always sound advice Dave. 🤓
Thanks Anthony!
It‘s so funny. Your advice to have the less experienced rider ride behind doesn‘t work for me and my wife.
She rides so insecure when she‘s behind because she takes me as a reference: if I slow down for a turn so that we can stay together, she immediately believes that the turn is super tight or challenging and slows down even more and instead of taking the 40mph turn leisurely at 35mph she’ll be at 25 or even 20 mph. If she is in front, that totally changes! It’s not that I can’t keep up with her but I can take the turns way more dynamic without tailgating her
It's more important that each couple figures out what works for them.
I mean are you actually saying low speed skills are unimportant? What do you mean by realistically unimportant u-turn? I didn’t interpret it saying low speed is useless
First. Thank you for asking!! They're not unimportant, but their importance is over emphasized. So, all the time we hear about how they translate to higher speeds. They don't. I've done contract coaching for Highway Patrol motors a bunch of times. Yeah, they kill it on the cone weaves, far better than I can do them (just like Ari Henning), but are terrible (not hyperbole) terrible in the fast stuff, taking a lot of uncecessary risk with a lot of false confidence.
We are not dying by failing to do U-turns, but a lot of riders give up because sociatal pressure to keep feet on pegs during slow speed moves. So, we believe in "Foot-Ready" U-turns. Just keep your foot out at the ready. If you dont' need it. Cool, you didn't need it. If you do need it, disaster averted, you didn't have to drop your bike and break a shift lever.
Here's what happens all the time. Someone gets a bike, is just learning to ride, and have been told they need to keep their feet on the pegs during slow speed moves. So they fall over in the Denny's parking lot. They have to ask for help to get the bike off their foot. They've scratched the pipe, bent or broken a lever. They are embarassed and discouraged. Then it happens again, two weeks later at the gas station. And then again doing a U-turn on some crappy back road. And then they give up and say "I just don't have time to ride".
Thats a long explanation to say "Keeping your feet on the pegs isn't all that important" and we'd rather riders focus practice time in areas where riders are getting killed. Running wide in corners and failing to use the brakes appropriately. Who cares about U-turns?
@@CanyonChasers thanks. It’s funny because I sent him a video of yours years ago to get his thoughts and he went off on a tirade about how foolish ot would be for someone so experienced as him to watch videos from people less experienced when he can just asked famous pro’s instead. Guess he finally watched one.
Haha - sounds consistent. He got his first motorcycle, I think, in 2013. I became a basic rider coach in 1999 and got my first street bike in 1988 after many years of crappy dirt bikes in my youth. The irony is, he now disagree's with a lot of famous pro's, national and world champions and whatnot that have tried to talk to him about some of his "ideas".
@@CanyonChasers his short about you was particularly perplexing in one spot where he said “he just learned that at champ school”… what’s the issue with that? He himself pitches champ school all the time and is or was a coach there at one point iirc, definitely went as a student 69,420 times I know because that’s part of his thing about him having so much more experience than 99% of people on RUclips because his view is you can ride for 30 years and have little to know real skill/experience but yea. What else do “pros” and he disagree on? Look I’ve never been one for RUclips drama & I’m sure most riders aren’t…adult ones at least, but if there’s disagreement amongst big names in the RUclips teaching space on important components of riding that aren’t just “style” differences than that’s worth people calling out imo but I get the hesitancy for yt’ers to start “fights”. anyway.
He's made a couple of video's calling me out over the years and it really makes me sad because I think we could make such a better, more positive impact, if we could have more consistent messaging or at least focus on what we agree on instead of tearing each other down. I chat with a lot of the other YT guys from time to time, and we don't agree 100% on everything all the time, but none of us have ever thrown shade at eachother.
In fact, when one of us makes a good video, it's common to get/share a compliment comment. Kevin at MCRider, Bret Tkacs, Jerry Palladino, Mike on Bikes, even Dan Dan the Fireman. Hell, I've even had very positive chats with Ari, Zack and Spurg and I've built strong friendships with the guys at Champ School. We're all friendly with each other. I see it as we all have our audiences that we can reach. Bret has more dirt acumen. Kevin gets touring guys, right? There's room here for everyone, we don't need to shit on each other.
I brought my wife out once about 20 years ago, and my ears are still ringing from her bashing me on the head to slow down. Needless to say, it never happened again hahaha
Thats objectively funny!
I can safely predict my wife would be similar - not a confident passenger in a car and hates speed. She was my first passenger as a pilot, and had her eyes closed during what is, even now, my very slickest landing because she thought we would die (it was a crosswind landing on a narrow runway, so a bit happening). So, our 28 year marriage might be harmed if she hopped on the back of my bike!
You have to remember your pillion has a greater sense of danger because they are not in control and your melon is in their way. Start out slow and build trust and confidence; but that means riding for *their* comfort, not to your skill.
oh cool video oh cool video oh well not cool video sponsored sell me something video. I don't like the bait and switch three minutes in. If you've got a sponsor or a video revolving around a sponsor consider putting that in small text in the corner in the first 10 seconds of the video. I don't mind sponsored content espically if its still helpful information but I REALLY don't like the bait and switch of this is educational specific content and then the well we made this video specifically to talk about our sponsor. You did come back and bring more helpful information past the sponsored segment but you nearly lost me on the video entirely and the only reason i watched through was because I wanted to type out this comment and give you feedback.
I'm really sorry you feel that way. The video is tagged as "paid promotion" (and has the text in the upper left hand corner for the first 7 seconds of the video) even though we only get paid a very small percentage if someone uses the coupon code. These video's are time consuming and expensive to make. Drones, cameras, editng softare, etc, are not free and we have to be able to pay for all of it somehow if we are going to be able to keep making them.
@@CanyonChasers I'm not saying don't. I understand the economics. I was frustrated with how the line of sponsored message and not-sponsored message comes across. You did your legal diligence for disclosing, I want to give you credit for that. Yes you may personally use their system but using their talking points next to your genuine thoughts and unbiased opinion feels disingenuous. I know you won't support a product you don't believe in, but that does make your input on it biased. You do do a good job on disclosing mid video that they're a supporter of the channel so maybe my frustration isnt warranted. I think a clear delineation of what is and isnt paid for is important. This video could have very well been sponsored by them in its entirety and knowing that you only get a cut of sales changes my opinion somewhat. I spoke out in frustration before because of how loose lots of videos have become, specifically yama's champ program which many channels have made a weird mix of infomercial and full on advert without really disclosure.
Anyways thanks for the response, ride safe.
I honestly appreciate your feedback on this. It's a really hard line to walk, and your frustration with other channels is legitimate. Ironically, I didn't use a single one of their talking points but just talked about what I like about their product and tried to integrate it with a topic area that was relevant. At first I thought in-line adverts for mobile phone games and hair growth gel with a scrolling yellow bar would be less upsetting to folks, We did one mid-roll with Nord VPN which was a huge deal for us. That one mid-roll was six weeks worth of revenue and paid off the new drone - thats a big deal - but people were so upset about it I haven't done another one like it and have gone with motorcycle specific products that I actually use. Maybe thats worse?
Anyway, serously, thanks for taking the time to reach out! At the end of the day, I make these for you guys and I try to make the best video's I can, the hard part is trying to pay for it all.
@@CanyonChasers Thank you for your response :) I do think an unrelated (topic wise) ad min-video is really rough and personally prefer a very early ad or a very late one. I think for a related one it can be decent. Check out internet shaquille for my preferred inclusion of ad related content. A hook to the ad mid-video (usually) and an ad at the end - I think its responsible and a very clear line of ethical advertisement. On slightly related topic, do you listen to music on solo rides or do you try to keep hyper aware?
In this case I could do what I want but most of inline ads (unless you are multi-million subscriber channel) the advertiser says "ad must run within the first 60 seconds of the video and must be 3 mintues long. The top line of the description must be the about the product and you must pin a comment about the product". We don't get a lot of say, and thats why we don't do those ads hardley ever.
As far as music, i'm meh on it. I'll listen if it's a long boring stretch of road and thats about it. On twisty bit, the music never seems to match the flow of the road.