These segments maybe a little long but they are never boring. Your attention to details are what make you a great teacher. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Adam in past years when tramming my mill table I once used an outer bearing race from a large tapered roller bearing. I picked it up for free from a CAT dealer. When they overhaul the big machines they usually always toss the old bearings. The outer bearing race was 9" in diameter and about 1-1/2" thick, so it worked well to tram the table with, just lay it on the table and you then have a continuous smooth true surface on the edge. A precision ground bearing race is likely as accurate as one will find for purposes like that. No more skipping over the table grooves......
Adam - the segments on set up and tramming are always interesting and reassuring. It helps me realise that it isn't necessarily me doing stuff wrong, that sometimes cracking a bolt or something can cause the machine to go off and that is just what happens - not that I've done something wrong!
I appreciate witnessing the procedures to achieve and maintain accuracy. Revealing the background steps that have to take place before the more interesting operational procedures makes a good outcome even more impressive. Thanks for sharing, Adam.
You don't really want the hole to be the same size as the seat of the valve body. It needs to substantially undersized to be reliable. The owner should have fitted the correct valves
When I ran a metal shop for an OEM, I would have prospective machinist do 3 things: clock a 4-jaw, free-hand grind a drill bit, and tram a spindle. You'd be amazed at how guys would crumble/fall-apart after "talking the talk". You just can't effectively fake years of turning handles, around guys who have. Keep up the good work Adam👍
Subjects like tramming might seem boring to some people, but the great majority of this channel's viewers will be glued to the screen. Absolutely great content, as always! :)
Man are they where all my socks go? I did a test one year bought about 100 pairs of socks, they just disappear I swear. Sock gnomes man they live in our dryers lol
I’ve always worked on the principle that if you aren’t going to put something back perfectly square then just leave it so far out it is obvious. Don’t get it close then walk away. I have been burned by that in the past.
So I'm at work surrounded by wheels not working "watching RUclips" and I started meshering things . All are rubber stems are 15mm at the same spot and the holes in all the rims holes are around 10mm and the stims fit just fine because thay compress .... im just worried dilling out to close to 15mm will make them to leak or pop out under pressure.
If the paint made it 8mm I could see how that would make it harder. But as far as I can tell the holes are standardized to 10mm and the only time I've seen them bigger was on 80'ish trailer tiers
Yeah, I think the diameter and groove of the valve should have at least .010 interference fit. The valves fit very tight in the rims, it's hard to turn them by hand.
I've been working on cars for 20 years and never worked on a vehicle that had a different valve stem diameter. They are pretty much standard for automobiles. I have seen the larger diameter stems but never knew they were for older trailers until mentioned in the comments.
@@dm-zx7xb "I've been working on cars for 20 years and never worked on a vehicle that had a different valve stem diameter." You measured the valve stem holes on every car you worked on? Is that standard practice? Master cylinder needs replacement, wait, gotta measure those valve stems before it leaves.
Tramming is wonderful. Show it all. This is the best part of your channel. The comment about making a note is critical. You will forget and forget and forget. MARK IT.
That was amazing when you used the precision stones to setup for tramming the head. You said I can see a spot here and you hit it with the stones and I could easily hear the spot come and go. Those are the details I really appreciate from your channel.
Older US passenger cars used a 0.625 valve hole. Newer cars all use the 0.453 hole size. Metric size hole is 10 mm for alloy wheels. Some truck wheels used a 9.7 mm hole. On this job 15 mm is almost 5/8 so it's a little small but should work.
The tiresome comments (that for whatever reason seem to be brought about by car parts...) are really getting in the way of learning and productive discussion. For example, from another poster: > Spend the time of setting everything up CORRECTLY. Your finished project will be that much more precise. I apologize to the poster for singling them out as an example, yet that comment is hard to read as anything but a personal attack: it does not explain what was wrong, all it says is "do better to do better". It's a put down. Plenty of similar comments with similar insinuations, which I'll avoid repeating. I don't know what the original commenter meant, but rephrasing would actually benefit the community. Maybe: > For anyone repeating this, there is a potential for an oval hole leading to leaks due to the clamping method used. Consider using XYZ to stabilize the workpiece. The tiresome comments only continue because we tolerate them as a community. My request isn't for the noisemakers, they follow the current. Instead, I invite the remainder of the community to remind folks to keep discussions productive. That's why we're here, right? Where else could we get information from tire techs, mechanics, classic car enthusiasts, metrologists, machining experts, fabricators, hydraulic experts, etc all in one place? Congrats on the shop, Adam. Thanks for passing along your knowledge, along with your dad's and grandpa's. It's made a difference in a lot of folk's lives. Greetings from the west coast. I apologize once again to the poster I singled out - for all I know, they could be having a bad day or just didn't phrase things correctly. That's fine. I've done it. I just feel strongly that this issue is starting to damage this amazing community due to its frequency, and I needed an example to make my point.
I agree, a lot of people lose sight of what he is actually trying to accomplish, which is really just showcase the machines and some techniques. As for this specific job, the angle/location of that valve stem does not matter, it is just there for ease of filling the tire with air.
I have to do all sorts alignment on my 3D printer, hadn't realized that duh machines like these need it to an even greater degree! Very good segment, thank you!!
The correct diameter for 15mm schrader valve stems are 8,5mm. Not sure what will happen with these oversized holes. But i imagine there is a reason for such a heavy interferece fit.
@@csorrows i dont like to speculate. But given an impact to the tire, during normal driving conditions, the pressure can momentarily increase quite dramatically. I would worry about the stem ejecting and the wheel venting. But then again, I have no references. But it still remains that if you operate your equipment outside their normal working conditions, “anything” can happen.
Adam machines the part to the size the customer specifies. As a machinist, he does _not_ know the mechanical engineering that the part was designed to. These wheels are now trash. They will never hold air. The valve stems are designed to fit snug and tight, which makes them _hard_ to insert. The groove in the rubber stem is designed to be stretched lengthwise, made wider by the metal of the wheel, to insure an air tight fit.
If he is going to blacken the inner holes again, a good quality nail polish can't be beat. A lot of old school mechanics keep a variety of nail polish in their boxes because of its toughness.
I use a good quality nail polish for paint touch up too. Just remember to go over it with a UV blocking clear as most of them won't hold their color too well under constant sun exposure
@@forrestcarroll9350 Good point. I learned this from my dad when he had his shop growing up. We used it for marking things under the hood so never needed to worry about fading. Back then some cars had a myriad of vacuum hoses so it worked well in the messy environment and was durable. He also specialized in auto electrical and he would mark certain wires from time to time. I ended up using nail polish on my guitars. Worked great. The tear drop plastic switch thingy Id paint with some fancy color and then gloss it over and it really looked good.
Unless there's something special about those valve stems, I'd say you drilled the hole too big. And cutting with that end mill was hard to watch. Sure hope the customer was planning on having the wheels coated
I have fitted plenty of those valves and they are a very tight fit, the hole should be around 11mm. Some space saver wheels have smaller valves fitted but every standard size wheel I’ve ever changed a valve on has been standard size. I’m not sure that will seal or cause an issue with the valve staying in place.
Yeah I hope they work out. I’ve installed a ton, and the rubber stems are a super tight fit = lube and quite a bit of force to pull through. As soon as I seen mention of drilling the hole bigger, it just seemed like it was going to cause a sealing issue. Like I said, I hope they work out.
The hole should be 11.5mm for a standard snap in valve stem. It would have been a lot easier to use a European spec TPMS sensor for the original 8.3mm hole. Maybe they are all the wrong frequency for a Lexus, I don't know. Maybe you can ream them out to 5/8 for a truck style valve stem.
If he's using something a hair over 15mm (he said he lost that and is a few thou over) I imagine it's already a truck valve stem that he's using rather than an 11.5mm valve stem.
@@AnanusBananus Most TPMS today have actually metal valve stems which are part of the sensor. At least the most ones I have seen lately as they come from the factory. To not tell BS, I just looked into a catalogue, and in there was actually only one Schrader system that offered rubber valve stems as an option in there. (Not necessarily a complete catalogue though) And from skipping through the description (I may definitively have missed something!) It seemed the rubber valve stems would only be for steel rims, while the metal ones which get screwed in are for Aluminium rims.
Over here in Europe, we actually have a massive feral 10 mm socket problem. They go missing, and people think no more of it. All the while the 10 mm sockets are out digging through trash cans in the middle of the night . People, keep track of where your sockets are!
@@Gameboygenius True story: I was out with my friend looking at a potential property I was going to buy. It was formerly a "craftsman's" home. There were unfinished projects and rusted debris all over the place. I looked down and saw a socket on the ground and said to my friend "bet that's a 10mm socket". Picked it up and sure enough, it was! My friend was like "what the heck!!??"
All the sizes of valve stems that i have seen in my 20 years of rim repair/ tire work are, 6- 8- 9,7- 11,5- 16- 20- and 22mm, it is some silly aftermarket thing using 8mm valve stems on regular wheels, TPMS sensors are allmost impossible to find for that size. You have there most definitely TR413 style valve stem that requires 11,5- 11,7mm hole.
Nice to see people getting professional to do the job properly. Alot of people would have just hand drilled out the value stem holes. I think that is a tyre pressure sensor type value stem.
Those wheels are designed for bolt in valves. Putting in push through rubber valves is plain wrong. I would be surprised if they hold air for any period.
@@slyfox7429 if you look at 0:57 you will see that it is the newer rubber TPMS valve stems. You install them like a traditional valve stem and the TPMS sensor mounts to the small stem that sticks out of the bottom of the valve stem. As long as the hole is the proper size it should seal fine.
@@shadowdog500 too bad it won't be proper size. Schrader valve stem hols are .453" for cars and light trucks and 0.625" for heavy duty. I can't fathom why Adam wouldn't have just googled for the proper size. Any rubber press in seal has a compression amount so just measuring the rubber in an uncompressed state is bonkers.
Those wheels are forever going to leak at the valve stems now... Ive seen customers wreck their wheels like this before. And if those are brand new, then send that cheap junk back if they truely are undersized (which I highly doubt) 11.5 mm (0.453") diameter. The most common size we all know on our cars. This hole size is for use with rubber stem ("TR13") I've installed tens of thousands of valve stems in the last 14years, those rubber TPMS valve stem for an aftermarket sensora are tight AF to pull through, BUT THEY DO. Use lube and just giver hell.
I was wondering about that since it didn't look like much of a lip left and he mentioned using a drill the same size as the stem I thought the stem hole was supposed to be several sizes under to create the seal by being forced into a smaller hole
I think those rims are trashed. Valve cores are a super tight fit, the groove in the rim is much smaller diameter than the diameter of the groove on the valve and valve core must be pulled into place using tire lube and a puller tool. They'll leak like heck now and not be secure.
I've enjoyed every one of Adam's videos and always admired his work. This vid was hard to watch. What did his friend do, find four rims he liked for his car and NOT call a tire shop to see what size stems he needed? Is this guy going to mount his own tires? My first question for the rim owner would have been, "Are you SURE these are the correct stems? "
That great smile at the end of the video terlls the story...you are darn good at what you do and you love it! It really comes across and I think it's great Adam! And yes, tramming is basic after you've done it for a while but good quality review never hurts. Thanks for all that you do for the community - it is truly appreciated.
Tramming the mill. Basic machine shop skill. Well presented and well executed. Also stating that it can be a pain in the ass the closer you get to zero. Ain't that the truth? Nice job Adam. Don't be a peckerwood ! Return the machine back to tram. Good skill to get proficient at. Good shop practice too. Never assume a machine is in tram unless you did it , or it's in your own shop and you are the only one using it. Assume nothing!
Men, what a nice video. However, I wanna give you a tip. The formula of the Torque is: (T = F * r * sin ø ). T = Torque F = Force r = radius So, If you want to applied less Torque to rotate less the Head, you can grab the wrench a little near the pivot point. That way you should apply the Torque in a different way. Also, you maximize the Torque If you use a 90° angle from the wrench ( sin 90° = 1 ). I hope I can be useful at least to someone.
@@Deckzwabber it is a standard Toyota six lug pattern for the Prado …which those are aftermarket imitation increased positive offset versions of the US market 1 Gen Tundra/Sequoia wheels but for Tawain /Asian pacific markets…. The LC Prado’s are what a number of US Lexus GX460 owners are converting the truck to look like, with Toyota badging, wheels and body trim …so its one big circle jerk with positive outcomes for pocket emptying!!
With a bit of math, one can facilitate tramming the nod a bit: from the dimensions of the mill, you can work out "if you adjust the nod a unit amount, it will change the dial reading +x thousands on the front and -y thousandths on the back." If you know x and y, it will take much less trial and error to finish the tramming. Would be happy to work this out for you if I have the dimensions.
Not that easy, the dial gauge setup is a fluid dimension, all on moving joints and too time consuming to set up within the +-0.001” that would be needed to make the calculations repeatable! 🤷♂️
Actually, empirically, here's the recipe I'd tape to the wall next to that mill, backing it out from the measurements Abom called out (0 on back, +35 front, then after an adjustment, -12 on back, 0 on front): "To tram the nod: Set dial circle to sweep 10" diameter [whatever that diameter is]. Zero the dial at the back. Sweep to the front and measure the offset. Adjust nod to zero at front, then adjust further to overshoot by 51%." So in this case, instead of adjusting to 0 on the front, you overshoot by 35 * 51% (to -18). And you'd get way closer to trammed way faster. The math is all in that "overshoot by 51%" part, but once you work it out, it's relatively insensitive to fine setup details. If you set up the dial circle even an inch off, you'll still be way ahead following this recipe compared to winging it. I get that this is sounds like a peanut gallery thing because one doesn't tram a machine every day and it's not a showstopper if you fight it for an extra half hour or whatever. But little systems like this are really just last-part-of-high-school-level math and, in practice, they add up! Such systems are all over the place in my life and work :)
I'm no machinist, but it seems to me that every aspect of the hole modification was guesswork. Any shop that changes tires and replaces valve stems could have been a source of accurate information. I hope we get a follow up report on the success of this job. Hate to see the wheels come back to have the holes welded shut and redrilled.
@@ellieprice363 some actually might know more...being on RUclips isn't special... and mistakes are made .. a valve stem has to Seal...there is no tube in this tire...so it can't be made too big...i'm not sure this is correct either and i been working on vehicles 50 years plus...you wouldn't measure the new valve stem for fitment..the hole would be smaller to seal air tight... i installed plenty of valves..they go in hard and if the rim was " coated " or painted..it can make it " seem too small...no idea whether this works or not...most valve holes are " standard " but they could be different and need this modification...i would get facts from a Tire EXPERT before taking a risk of ruining those rims...are you some EXPERT on this?? or just a FAN ? of Abom??
@@apistosig4173 Ask yourself, if an identical job came into Adam's shop next week and the customer relied on Adam's expertise to do a proper job ( no specs) would he bore that out to 15mm as well?. Everyone does the occasional mistake ( as Adam himself admits); remember the Kubota flywheel ( non) oilite pilot bushing?. The Jeffrey Lords of the channel aren't quite at the 'mistake' level yet. The Jeffrey Lord as per being interviewed by Anderson Cooper...' If Trump took a dump on his desk, you'd defend him'
@@arfonjones7188 Trump? No. I believe Adam did what his customer requested. That customer may know and understand no less than Adam. Adam (perhaps unsafely) assumes his customer knows what they want / need. Adam provides customer with that they requested. How wrong am I ?
@@apistosig4173 There is no mention of customer (friend) specs anywhere in the video; he just wanted the job done properly, and presumably daren't go into too much detail in how Adam should go about it. Do you really think that his friend measured the shoulder thickness and determined that he needed 50 thou taken off. Would he have mentioned that he required the inner edge of the counterbore radiused and what that radius should be?. What about the bore diameter?,: @05.04 'That valve stem measures the same diameter as the drill bit(19/32) here, so I think its going to work out just fine'. So firstly, he's clearly measured that himself; secondly, his aim is to make the hole size the same as the stem size which he himself measured, and thirdly no mention of his friend telling him to cut the hole at 15mm. Despite normally being thorough in his explanations, there was no mention of a valve stem requiring a compressed fit, and how much smaller the hole should be. In one of the comments, a 'TR414' 15mm valve stem recommends a 11.5mm hole. In the recent video on the PeWe tool post, Adam machined the T nut according to the method recommended by PeWe. But that process was not followed here.
I’ve always thought that tilting the head was easier than nodding it, because the tilt axis is on the same plane as the spindle axis, so it’s easier to tram back in!
Those wheels probably are supposed use metal bolt in valve stems . Not all rubber pull in stems are the same size . And there is different sizes of the metal stems .
Adam, these videos, as long as they seem to be, are NOT boring. You are just showing your extreme attention to detail. Keep up your great work.
Nope, not boring-- just counter-boring.
These segments maybe a little long but they are never boring. Your attention to details are what make you a great teacher. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Thanks for showing the tramming. Thanks for all you do Adam. The free knowledge you provide is extremely valuable.
Standard valve stem sizes are either 0.453" or 0.625". The rubber valve stem will measure a lot thicker for a tight fit when installed.
long & boring? hardly. informative, educational and a perfect perspective of what real precision is. Thanks Adam!
Adam in past years when tramming my mill table I once used an outer bearing race from a large tapered roller bearing. I picked it up for free from a CAT dealer. When they overhaul the big machines they usually always toss the old bearings. The outer bearing race was 9" in diameter and about 1-1/2" thick, so it worked well to tram the table with, just lay it on the table and you then have a continuous smooth true surface on the edge. A precision ground bearing race is likely as accurate as one will find for purposes like that. No more skipping over the table grooves......
Adam - the segments on set up and tramming are always interesting and reassuring. It helps me realise that it isn't necessarily me doing stuff wrong, that sometimes cracking a bolt or something can cause the machine to go off and that is just what happens - not that I've done something wrong!
I love your home shop best! Thanks for the vid.
I appreciate witnessing the procedures to achieve and maintain accuracy. Revealing the background steps that have to take place before the more interesting operational procedures makes a good outcome even more impressive. Thanks for sharing, Adam.
You don't really want the hole to be the same size as the seat of the valve body.
It needs to substantially undersized to be reliable.
The owner should have fitted the correct valves
I was going to say exactly this
When I ran a metal shop for an OEM, I would have prospective machinist do 3 things: clock a 4-jaw, free-hand grind a drill bit, and tram a spindle. You'd be amazed at how guys would crumble/fall-apart after "talking the talk". You just can't effectively fake years of turning handles, around guys who have. Keep up the good work Adam👍
I ABSOLUTELY loved the trick of using the small drill bit to find center on the valve hole. I'm going to use that on my block manufacturing.
Subjects like tramming might seem boring to some people, but the great majority of this channel's viewers will be glued to the screen. Absolutely great content, as always! :)
Your missing drill bit is with all the missing 10mm sockets somewhere in the world. Another great video Adam.
Too true. Ha
They're probably with the missing socks from the laundry.
Man are they where all my socks go? I did a test one year bought about 100 pairs of socks, they just disappear I swear. Sock gnomes man they live in our dryers lol
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I’ve always worked on the principle that if you aren’t going to put something back perfectly square then just leave it so far out it is obvious. Don’t get it close then walk away. I have been burned by that in the past.
So I'm at work surrounded by wheels not working "watching RUclips" and I started meshering things . All are rubber stems are 15mm at the same spot and the holes in all the rims holes are around 10mm and the stims fit just fine because thay compress .... im just worried dilling out to close to 15mm will make them to leak or pop out under pressure.
I was thinkin that..surely the rubber needs to be squashed?
If the paint made it 8mm I could see how that would make it harder. But as far as I can tell the holes are standardized to 10mm and the only time I've seen them bigger was on 80'ish trailer tiers
Yeah, I think the diameter and groove of the valve should have at least .010 interference fit. The valves fit very tight in the rims, it's hard to turn them by hand.
I've been working on cars for 20 years and never worked on a vehicle that had a different valve stem diameter. They are pretty much standard for automobiles. I have seen the larger diameter stems but never knew they were for older trailers until mentioned in the comments.
@@dm-zx7xb "I've been working on cars for 20 years and never worked on a vehicle that had a different valve stem diameter." You measured the valve stem holes on every car you worked on? Is that standard practice? Master cylinder needs replacement, wait, gotta measure those valve stems before it leaves.
Thanks Adam. I really appreciate the little extras you put into these videos.
Tramming is wonderful. Show it all. This is the best part of your channel. The comment about making a note is critical. You will forget and forget and forget. MARK IT.
That was amazing when you used the precision stones to setup for tramming the head. You said I can see a spot here and you hit it with the stones and I could easily hear the spot come and go. Those are the details I really appreciate from your channel.
Adam's work ethic is admirable and worth emulating. Applies to a lot more than just machining.
Older US passenger cars used a 0.625 valve hole. Newer cars all use the 0.453 hole size. Metric size hole is 10 mm for alloy wheels. Some truck wheels used a 9.7 mm hole. On this job 15 mm is almost 5/8 so it's a little small but should work.
Thanks for that. Excellent info.
The tiresome comments (that for whatever reason seem to be brought about by car parts...) are really getting in the way of learning and productive discussion.
For example, from another poster:
> Spend the time of setting everything up CORRECTLY. Your finished project will be that much more precise.
I apologize to the poster for singling them out as an example, yet that comment is hard to read as anything but a personal attack: it does not explain what was wrong, all it says is "do better to do better". It's a put down. Plenty of similar comments with similar insinuations, which I'll avoid repeating.
I don't know what the original commenter meant, but rephrasing would actually benefit the community. Maybe:
> For anyone repeating this, there is a potential for an oval hole leading to leaks due to the clamping method used. Consider using XYZ to stabilize the workpiece.
The tiresome comments only continue because we tolerate them as a community. My request isn't for the noisemakers, they follow the current. Instead, I invite the remainder of the community to remind folks to keep discussions productive. That's why we're here, right? Where else could we get information from tire techs, mechanics, classic car enthusiasts, metrologists, machining experts, fabricators, hydraulic experts, etc all in one place?
Congrats on the shop, Adam. Thanks for passing along your knowledge, along with your dad's and grandpa's. It's made a difference in a lot of folk's lives. Greetings from the west coast.
I apologize once again to the poster I singled out - for all I know, they could be having a bad day or just didn't phrase things correctly. That's fine. I've done it. I just feel strongly that this issue is starting to damage this amazing community due to its frequency, and I needed an example to make my point.
I agree, a lot of people lose sight of what he is actually trying to accomplish, which is really just showcase the machines and some techniques. As for this specific job, the angle/location of that valve stem does not matter, it is just there for ease of filling the tire with air.
Very, very well said Sir!! Spot-on!
I'm a newbie and only have a little mill but I love watching your videos very educational thanks for the tips
I have to do all sorts alignment on my 3D printer, hadn't realized that duh machines like these need it to an even greater degree! Very good segment, thank you!!
Great to watch Adam, super informative and crystal clear. Thank you.
God bless you Adam. Always find you a pleasure to watch.
Every Abom79 video teaches me something new. Love it.
Love all manner of alignment, calibration, indicating, wonderful!
I think next weeks video will be sleeving the holes back to 10mm.
Kinda what I'm thinking as well..
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Great job Adam, puckered up a couple times but I knew you'd get it done right. Thanks for sharing with us. Fred.
The correct diameter for 15mm schrader valve stems are 8,5mm. Not sure what will happen with these oversized holes. But i imagine there is a reason for such a heavy interferece fit.
More than likely the stem will push into the wheel and possibly break the sensor when he tries to put a chunk on it.
@@csorrows i dont like to speculate. But given an impact to the tire, during normal driving conditions, the pressure can momentarily increase quite dramatically. I would worry about the stem ejecting and the wheel venting. But then again, I have no references. But it still remains that if you operate your equipment outside their normal working conditions, “anything” can happen.
The comments rarely disappoint. lol
True Brian, but would you bore out something that has such an obvious industry standard size without so much as a Google search first? Lol
Yeah.... still a bit too much undersized for the industry standard "big bore " valve stem! Gotta remember that this is abom size! It's Gotta be big
The couch operators are out in force on this one
Adam machines the part to the size the customer specifies. As a machinist, he does _not_ know the mechanical engineering that the part was designed to. These wheels are now trash. They will never hold air. The valve stems are designed to fit snug and tight, which makes them _hard_ to insert. The groove in the rubber stem is designed to be stretched lengthwise, made wider by the metal of the wheel, to insure an air tight fit.
Love Saturday Nights in the Shop with Adam. I always learn a lot.
one of the best tramming videos I've seen. Thanks Adam
Tramming segment was very help full, thanks
NO ADAM!
A rubber valve stem is supposed to be a compressed fit brother, to withstand the air pressure when the tire is inflated!
Oh boy.
Thank you Adam for sharing Awesome footage as always
Great tips on trimming in the mill. Very interesting and learned a lot! Thanks!
If he is going to blacken the inner holes again, a good quality nail polish can't be beat. A lot of old school mechanics keep a variety of nail polish in their boxes because of its toughness.
I use a good quality nail polish for paint touch up too. Just remember to go over it with a UV blocking clear as most of them won't hold their color too well under constant sun exposure
@@forrestcarroll9350 Good point. I learned this from my dad when he had his shop growing up. We used it for marking things under the hood so never needed to worry about fading. Back then some cars had a myriad of vacuum hoses so it worked well in the messy environment and was durable. He also specialized in auto electrical and he would mark certain wires from time to time. I ended up using nail polish on my guitars. Worked great. The tear drop plastic switch thingy Id paint with some fancy color and then gloss it over and it really looked good.
That's the " Excuse " they use when caught having Nail Polish in their Toolbox !! I would DEMAND to see his TOES!! 🤔 Probably painted nails ?? 🤣
@@garymallard4699 Aw gee.. Im busted!!!! LOL!!!
@@opieshomeshop 👍
Always enjoy your videos Adam thanks.
When I was a machinest I always tramed the Bridgeport . Keep up the good work .
Unless there's something special about those valve stems, I'd say you drilled the hole too big. And cutting with that end mill was hard to watch. Sure hope the customer was planning on having the wheels coated
Man, I would have just given it a hot supper with a step drill In the DeWalt till the stem fitted.
This is a much more precise way to fuck a rim.
Very good advice about leaving a note indicating that a machine is out of tram. I am a victim of my own failure to do that.
Hi Adam, I'm always looking to learn at least 1 thing per video. A good refresher is always good to help mend my sloppy habits! Thank You Sir!!
Thank heavens you posted something. All I had to watch was some of mine and they are boring. Thanks, Adam
I have fitted plenty of those valves and they are a very tight fit, the hole should be around 11mm. Some space saver wheels have smaller valves fitted but every standard size wheel I’ve ever changed a valve on has been standard size. I’m not sure that will seal or cause an issue with the valve staying in place.
yup, these guys going to be topping up air weekly now lol
All this for a yellow light on the dash
Yeah I hope they work out. I’ve installed a ton, and the rubber stems are a super tight fit = lube and quite a bit of force to pull through. As soon as I seen mention of drilling the hole bigger, it just seemed like it was going to cause a sealing issue. Like I said, I hope they work out.
I’ve seen people tape the valves with the TPMS unit to the inside of the wheel and just fit normal ones too 😂
Hopefully the stem doesn't shoot out under pressure.
@@michael931 Don't worry, those wheels won't hold any pressure now.
Always enjoy the setup details, even though I’ve never touched a mill. Thanks!
The hole should be 11.5mm for a standard snap in valve stem. It would have been a lot easier to use a European spec TPMS sensor for the original 8.3mm hole. Maybe they are all the wrong frequency for a Lexus, I don't know. Maybe you can ream them out to 5/8 for a truck style valve stem.
If he's using something a hair over 15mm (he said he lost that and is a few thou over) I imagine it's already a truck valve stem that he's using rather than an 11.5mm valve stem.
Did I miss something, but wouldn't it have been easier just to buy the correct valve stems for the wheel rims ?
Lol good question i did not think this haha i wonder why now.
They want tpms sensors, hence The stickout on The end of The Stem.
@@AnanusBananus Most TPMS today have actually metal valve stems which are part of the sensor. At least the most ones I have seen lately as they come from the factory. To not tell BS, I just looked into a catalogue, and in there was actually only one Schrader system that offered rubber valve stems as an option in there. (Not necessarily a complete catalogue though) And from skipping through the description (I may definitively have missed something!) It seemed the rubber valve stems would only be for steel rims, while the metal ones which get screwed in are for Aluminium rims.
@@alexanderkupke920 either way, those Stems are for tpms. and those rubber ones work just fine with alloys, as does rubber Stems without tpms.
"why is one-off, custom machining 'so expensive'?" ...this is why. good stuff!
I'm sure the owner of the wheels had no idea what was involved in this simple request.
Your right! I laughed out loud. That is a great idea. Keep up the good work
Your 15mm drill bit is most likely hanging out with the 10mm sockets… Over near the pile of single socks lost in the laundry
Over here in Europe, we actually have a massive feral 10 mm socket problem. They go missing, and people think no more of it. All the while the 10 mm sockets are out digging through trash cans in the middle of the night . People, keep track of where your sockets are!
@Francis Schweitzer LMAO! Excellent reply!
@@Gameboygenius another most excellent reply! LMAO!
@@Gameboygenius True story: I was out with my friend looking at a potential property I was going to buy. It was formerly a "craftsman's" home. There were unfinished projects and rusted debris all over the place. I looked down and saw a socket on the ground and said to my friend "bet that's a 10mm socket". Picked it up and sure enough, it was! My friend was like "what the heck!!??"
Ah, screw it, just drill clear through and put a tube in it. lol
Great idea, that way they will always be inflated to at least 14.7 psi haha
Thanks sir ...very educational and informative
Wow, I hope you got those Schrader valve ports right. No pressure, though
i see what you did there
All the sizes of valve stems that i have seen in my 20 years of rim repair/ tire work are, 6- 8- 9,7- 11,5- 16- 20- and 22mm, it is some silly aftermarket thing using 8mm valve stems on regular wheels, TPMS sensors are allmost impossible to find for that size. You have there most definitely TR413 style valve stem that requires 11,5- 11,7mm hole.
This comment is what I was waiting for.....oddities in "aftermarket" products.
Super good advice on tagging the machine as not-trammed. More information is always better.
For those that have a mill, it's not boring Nice job
Todd, I genuinely laughed at your comment.
Thanks.
I don't have a mill. I didn't get bored. LMAO 😊 Although I wish I had a mill.
Most excellent episode. Always a treat to watch this channel.
Thanks Adam. Looking forward to the next few projects.
I love everything you do its very inspiring. I learnt a lot from this channel. Thanks again Abom79.
Nice to see people getting professional to do the job properly. Alot of people would have just hand drilled out the value stem holes. I think that is a tyre pressure sensor type value stem.
a Big THANK YOU for the tramming lecture. i have bean doing all wrong just using a bubble level
Good video for tramming!! I just picked up a knee mill that I have to tram!!!
Those wheels are designed for bolt in valves. Putting in push through rubber valves is plain wrong. I would be surprised if they hold air for any period.
If you were paying attention, the valve stem that will be installed is a tire pressure monitored stem and they do "bolt" in
@@slyfox7429 well i was and it looks like just a normal pull through type didn't see any bolt in stem
@@slyfox7429 if you look at 0:57 you will see that it is the newer rubber TPMS valve stems. You install them like a traditional valve stem and the TPMS sensor mounts to the small stem that sticks out of the bottom of the valve stem. As long as the hole is the proper size it should seal fine.
@@shadowdog500 too bad it won't be proper size. Schrader valve stem hols are .453" for cars and light trucks and 0.625" for heavy duty. I can't fathom why Adam wouldn't have just googled for the proper size. Any rubber press in seal has a compression amount so just measuring the rubber in an uncompressed state is bonkers.
The standard valve stem hole is .453
not sure about end-milling the hole - took all the powdercoating off the counterbore?
Keep us posted if they leak or not.
Those wheels are forever going to leak at the valve stems now... Ive seen customers wreck their wheels like this before. And if those are brand new, then send that cheap junk back if they truely are undersized (which I highly doubt)
11.5 mm (0.453") diameter. The most common size we all know on our cars. This hole size is for use with rubber stem ("TR13")
I've installed tens of thousands of valve stems in the last 14years, those rubber TPMS valve stem for an aftermarket sensora are tight AF to pull through, BUT THEY DO. Use lube and just giver hell.
I was wondering about that since it didn't look like much of a lip left and he mentioned using a drill the same size as the stem I thought the stem hole was supposed to be several sizes under to create the seal by being forced into a smaller hole
Could you use bigger stems?
@@darronjknight if they exist lol like he said it's a standardized size so they're all the same.
fuckin a right!
Thank you. I find the detail adjusting the machine.
And with every 4 wheels you get barbecue done by chef Abom
I think those rims are trashed. Valve cores are a super tight fit, the groove in the rim is much smaller diameter than the diameter of the groove on the valve and valve core must be pulled into place using tire lube and a puller tool. They'll leak like heck now and not be secure.
Yep.
Yep, Adam trying to employ the theoreticals of dimensions and fits or a solid material like steel to rubber.
I've enjoyed every one of Adam's videos and always admired his work. This vid was hard to watch. What did his friend do, find four rims he liked for his car and NOT call a tire shop to see what size stems he needed? Is this guy going to mount his own tires? My first question for the rim owner would have been, "Are you SURE these are the correct stems? "
"These hold air pressure and will carry human lives, right?..... okay let's make 'em a slip fit."
I enjoy your sessions of making adjustment like tramming it in , FWIW.
That great smile at the end of the video terlls the story...you are darn good at what you do and you love it! It really comes across and I think it's great Adam! And yes, tramming is basic after you've done it for a while but good quality review never hurts. Thanks for all that you do for the community - it is truly appreciated.
loved the trammin' classic Abom stuff right there.
I'm eating strawberry jello with dream topping while watching this!
Butter Pecan ice cream
I'm not. :)
Drinking a Yuengling. Ok, you got me…maybe more than one.
@@grntitan1 A friend keeps going on about Yuenglings, but not able to get them on the west coast.
Are these some really old rims? Designed to work with a valve stem size that is no longer used?
The new stems are for tire pressure monitors
@@jonmccormick6805 thanks
In a job shop situation, when you have to re-tram after the job is finished, is that time charged to the job?
Tramming the mill. Basic machine shop skill. Well presented and well executed. Also stating that it can be a pain in the ass the closer you get to zero. Ain't that the truth? Nice job Adam. Don't be a peckerwood ! Return the machine back to tram. Good skill to get proficient at. Good shop practice too. Never assume a machine is in tram unless you did it , or it's in your own shop and you are the only one using it. Assume nothing!
Men, what a nice video. However, I wanna give you a tip.
The formula of the Torque is: (T = F * r * sin ø ).
T = Torque
F = Force
r = radius
So, If you want to applied less Torque to rotate less the Head, you can grab the wrench a little near the pivot point. That way you should apply the Torque in a different way. Also, you maximize the Torque If you use a 90° angle from the wrench ( sin 90° = 1 ).
I hope I can be useful at least to someone.
Looks like the rims were made for TPMS but are being used with traditional valve stems.
@@nigelcraig3949 I think these being racing rims could also explore the bolt pattern
@@nigelcraig3949 Fair enough. I had thought it was the other way around... live and learn.
@@Deckzwabber it is a standard Toyota six lug pattern for the Prado …which those are aftermarket imitation increased positive offset versions of the US market 1 Gen Tundra/Sequoia wheels but for Tawain /Asian pacific markets…. The LC Prado’s are what a number of US Lexus GX460 owners are converting the truck to look like, with Toyota badging, wheels and body trim …so its one big circle jerk with positive outcomes for pocket emptying!!
They are also a good fit on the Late Model 4Runners ..fyi
Also I believe this is the difference of Presta valve to Schrader Valve but don’t recall the specs off the top of my head!
I noticed the head on your new vertical mill dose not have the "nod" feature.
Thanks for the "NOT TRAM'ed" notation comment.
With a bit of math, one can facilitate tramming the nod a bit: from the dimensions of the mill, you can work out "if you adjust the nod a unit amount, it will change the dial reading +x thousands on the front and -y thousandths on the back." If you know x and y, it will take much less trial and error to finish the tramming. Would be happy to work this out for you if I have the dimensions.
Not that easy, the dial gauge setup is a fluid dimension, all on moving joints and too time consuming to set up within the +-0.001” that would be needed to make the calculations repeatable! 🤷♂️
Actually, empirically, here's the recipe I'd tape to the wall next to that mill, backing it out from the measurements Abom called out (0 on back, +35 front, then after an adjustment, -12 on back, 0 on front):
"To tram the nod: Set dial circle to sweep 10" diameter [whatever that diameter is]. Zero the dial at the back. Sweep to the front and measure the offset. Adjust nod to zero at front, then adjust further to overshoot by 51%."
So in this case, instead of adjusting to 0 on the front, you overshoot by 35 * 51% (to -18). And you'd get way closer to trammed way faster. The math is all in that "overshoot by 51%" part, but once you work it out, it's relatively insensitive to fine setup details. If you set up the dial circle even an inch off, you'll still be way ahead following this recipe compared to winging it.
I get that this is sounds like a peanut gallery thing because one doesn't tram a machine every day and it's not a showstopper if you fight it for an extra half hour or whatever. But little systems like this are really just last-part-of-high-school-level math and, in practice, they add up! Such systems are all over the place in my life and work :)
fun video. i really enjoy your channel, thanks for sharing.
I'm no machinist, but it seems to me that every aspect of the hole modification was guesswork. Any shop that changes tires and replaces valve stems could have been a source of accurate information. I hope we get a follow up report on the success of this job. Hate to see the wheels come back to have the holes welded shut and redrilled.
i'm going to add to the guess work by guessing this isn't the right size for that valve stem
Pretty sure aluminum wheels are not a weldable alloy.
I’m absolutely amazed at how many Monday morning quarterbacks know more about this job than Adam and the customer who brought him the wheels.
@@ellieprice363 hey man i'm just guessing
@@ellieprice363
some actually might know more...being on RUclips isn't special... and mistakes are made
.. a valve stem has to Seal...there is no tube in this tire...so it can't be made too big...i'm not sure this is correct either and i been working on vehicles 50 years plus...you wouldn't measure the new valve stem for fitment..the hole would be smaller to seal air tight... i installed plenty of valves..they go in hard and if the rim was " coated " or painted..it can make it " seem too small...no idea whether this works or not...most valve holes are " standard " but they could be different and need this modification...i would get facts from a Tire EXPERT before taking a risk of ruining those rims...are you some EXPERT on this?? or just a FAN ? of Abom??
If ever there was an application that needed an interference fit, that's it.
rims are ready for the scrabheap
I think the customer got what they requested. Adam's approach and execution was his usual exemplary style.
@@apistosig4173 Ask yourself, if an identical job came into Adam's shop next week and the customer relied on Adam's expertise to do a proper job ( no specs) would he bore that out to 15mm as well?. Everyone does the occasional mistake ( as Adam himself admits); remember the Kubota flywheel ( non) oilite pilot bushing?. The Jeffrey Lords of the channel aren't quite at the 'mistake' level yet. The Jeffrey Lord as per being interviewed by Anderson Cooper...' If Trump took a dump on his desk, you'd defend him'
@@arfonjones7188 Trump? No. I believe Adam did what his customer requested. That customer may know and understand no less than Adam. Adam (perhaps unsafely) assumes his customer knows what they want / need. Adam provides customer with that they requested. How wrong am I ?
@@apistosig4173 There is no mention of customer (friend) specs anywhere in the video; he just wanted the job done properly, and presumably daren't go into too much detail in how Adam should go about it. Do you really think that his friend measured the shoulder thickness and determined that he needed 50 thou taken off. Would he have mentioned that he required the inner edge of the counterbore radiused and what that radius should be?. What about the bore diameter?,: @05.04 'That valve stem measures the same diameter as the drill bit(19/32) here, so I think its going to work out just fine'. So firstly, he's clearly measured that himself; secondly, his aim is to make the hole size the same as the stem size which he himself measured, and thirdly no mention of his friend telling him to cut the hole at 15mm. Despite normally being thorough in his explanations, there was no mention of a valve stem requiring a compressed fit, and how much smaller the hole should be. In one of the comments, a 'TR414' 15mm valve stem recommends a 11.5mm hole. In the recent video on the PeWe tool post, Adam machined the T nut according to the method recommended by PeWe. But that process was not followed here.
@@arfonjones7188 maybe first ask google
Great Adam really enjoyed thanks
Channel is jumping! Thanks for sharing.
Great job on the wheels and tramming. Adam, you need an apprentice!
Would a digital DTI give you a better view, when tramming a mill?
Check out Mr. Pete 222 tramming videos to see how he does it different.
I’ve always thought that tilting the head was easier than nodding it, because the tilt axis is on the same plane as the spindle axis, so it’s easier to tram back in!
So great that when you modify mass manufactured parts you leave them more precise than they came from the factory.
You forgot about the part where he made them useless as well.
@@csorrows maybe the person likes getting air at the gas station everyday lol
@@dazedreamer4206or maybe they like to push the stem into the wheel when they try to fill it.
Well I am a little paranoid sometimes but I wouldn't have done this due to liability and DOT regulations.
Or at least had a waiver signed
No money was transacted for this, so at least shop liability isn't a concern.
Those wheels probably are supposed use metal bolt in valve stems .
Not all rubber pull in stems are the same size .
And there is different sizes of the metal stems .
I suspect that your 15mm drill is hanging out with my 10mm sockets.
I suspect a few of my ballpoints are there too.
Wouldn't it be easier to just get new plugs that match?