Ernst Roets at Black Management Forum on the failure of BEE (all inputs)
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- Опубликовано: 8 май 2021
- I participated in a panel discussion hosted by the Sandton Branch of the Black Management Forum about the failure of Black Economic Empowerment in South Africa. The discussion was over three hours. This is only a compilation of my opening statement and other inputs during the discussion. I argued that BEE is a semantic fraud, because it has nothing to do with empowerment, and very little to do with black people. I also argued that BEE is both destructive and immoral.
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I'm black. Facts do not discriminate. Facts do not care about your feelings. He's right.
People like you are the reason why South Africa has a future.
Bravo Tebogo!
I see you too, sir, are a man of integrity. The fact remains, and you can ask ANY SINGLE WHITE PERSON IN SA today, that the White people in SA, just want to put the past behind us, and build together. Yes, there are differences in race and tradition, but this should not be elevated and put on a stool for all to see, rather the acceptance of these differences, and letting it lie. The beauty of SA, ARE THESE DIFFERENCES. A piece of canvas, is only the beginning for it takes on character with every loving stroke. This thing of beauty is the passion of The Artists heart, and by God's design, we are a skin kaleidoscope.
Tom MacDonald and Ben Shapiro must be known to you!
@@henrysa2877 And with luck, Thomas Sowell as well.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Well put Mr Roets.
I can honestly say you have removed scales from my eyes.
Scales put there by the British and their Swiss bankers, the Americans and their arms and media, the ANC (working with the DA and EFF) and its marxist woke mob, all working in perfect concert to extract cheap labour and cheap resources from this country. It is not by mistake or oversight that we have the highest unemployment rates or the worst education system in the world, it is by design to keep labour costs lower, and the people's minds weakened, assisted by liquor, substances and entertainment, so they can continue to be compliant. We still believe in the illusion of choice in our sham elections.
He is great. And so many dismiss him as a racist or what not because he is Afrikaans and white. Ironically that in itself is racist.
The only way white people will understand our struggle is if we put them into apartheid. Take all their houses and other assets. Exclude from education and employment. Put them in a camp and restrict their moment for centuries. Then we can have a conversation of BBE.
Kudus to the Black Management Forum for having an open discussion
Nice to hear different opinions
Nice to hear different opinions
Speaking truth, Ernst. The biggest enemy of progress in South Africa is ideology. Ideology trumping common sense.
Very well put.
The only way white people will understand our struggle is if we put them into apartheid. Take all their houses and other assets. Exclude from education and employment. Put them in a camp and restrict their moment for centuries. Then we can have a conversation of BBE.
I watched the full 3 hour video of this on the BMF forum. The amount of rhetoric, stubbornness and disinformation from the panel was crazy! Ernst was the only person in the room that made rational, common sense and pragmatic arguments. Everyone else admitted BBEE was a total failure, but their solution was to double down on it and intensity it even more and expect different results. Boggles my mind!
Because is your fellow
That is the definition of post modern thinking, remember that according to critical theory, rational thinking is an evil oppressing thing and must be broken down.
@@ebenwiid7140 Criticisms of postmodernism, while intellectually diverse, share the opinion that it lacks coherence and is hostile to the notion of absolutes, such as truth. Postmodern philosophy is also a frequent subject of criticism for obscurantism and resistance to reliable knowledge. ...
@@vut_zarco and that definition of yours clearly describes the South African government.
To be fair I did not listen to the whole video, I should on reflection before commenting
1: I lost my job in 1998 due to the perceptions that affirmative action will be applied. Three hundred and fifty people worked in the department and all were retrenched. Most were engineers and technicians. I was 48 years old and nobody would employ me, so I started a small business and worked my butt off to finally make it work. It cost my marriage and health. Then came BEE. I sold my business and house and emigrated. Never looked back.
A brilliant interesting discussion. Good on you BMF for having the courage to invite him and to open up this important discussion. BEE has not worked in South Africa and it never will.
It's about time someone stands up against this BEE vehicle for corruption.
The only way white people will understand our struggle is if we put them into apartheid. Take all their houses and other assets. Exclude from education and employment. Put them in a camp and restrict their moment for centuries. Then we can have a conversation of BBE.
The truth hurts, Ernst is a one man competent machine.
Really well articulated and pointedly insightful argument presented. I suspect that it will give pause for consideration.
Roets Nonsense
@@philipbanda6637 typical critical theory, you ignore the facts because you know they are true and try to move the focus from the facts by attacking the presenter. You only strengthen his case by doing that, thanks for agreeing with Ernst in your own backwards way!
@@philipbanda6637 Can you raise one single rational argument against anything he said? No? Then krippeer in your ignorance.
@@philipbanda6637 Fairly typical... tell us one thing he got wrong? I'm waiting. If you cannot respond in a sensible manner (which you cannot) then you are part of the problem (which you are)... take a good long hard look at Zimbabwe... nice isn't it?
Excellent presentation of facts ! Ernst, South Africa needs you … Thank you for your willingness to participate in such difficult forums !
Damn brilliant, truth is truth.
South Africa desperately needs more people like Ernst Roets and they should come from every community
PRODUCTION, you had me at that. I always tell people government is not your friend. The moment you love them they screw you over.
True! This government is getting bigger and bigger everyday. The bigger a govt is, the more it will invade every freedom you enjoy. Never make a government your God!
Mr. Roets arguments are always based on facts which he always manages to bring across in a most inoffensive manner. A great communicator that people just listen to. Well done, Sir.
Thanks you Ernst for the truth yet again. There is a saying in Afrikaans - "Daar is niemand wat so doof is as hy wat nie wil hoor nie".
Lol - dis in Engels ook jong ... it comes from Scripture! :)
I fully agree with what Ernst is saying, nothing trumps hard work and perseverance, excellent work Ernst you are the MAN, God Bless you and all of South Africa
What a nice spirit and attitude this man has!
Wow, Ernst speaks such good sense. I wonder if anyone there had the capability to grasp what he was saying about empirical evidence, etc. Or anyone had the graciousness to accept that what he said was sense/true or has the guts to relook at his preconceived ideas.
I didn't hear the beginning of the meeting but from some of Ernst's references to it, I'm glad I didn't. Wouldn't have been good for my blood pressure.
What a brilliant argument put forward Ernst. Very succinctly put and very intelligent presentation. Thank You
The only way white people will understand our struggle is if we put them into apartheid. Take all their houses and other assets. Exclude from education and employment. Put them in a camp and restrict their moment for centuries. Then we can have a conversation of BBE.
Thank you Ernst Roets. “’n Volk red homself!” Salute!
dis nou die eerste keer wat ek hoor van n Afrikaaner Volk.Die Afrikaaner het die Boervolk se identieteit,taal,soewereine lande,goud en minerale gesteel na die BOER Oorlog,nie die Afrikaner Oorlog nie.Hulle het die oolog op Britse kant geveg en is ingestel as heerser om die afgelope 120 jaar te onder druk.
Die 5de Februarie 2021 is ons Boer Republieke Internasional herstig deur emansipeerde Boervolk lede en die res van ons is besig om te emansipeer.
Die bedrog spel moet oop gevlek word in ons eie soewereine ZAR Volkshof dat die wereld die waarheid kan hoor.Die waarheid gee geregtigheid,geregtigheid gee vryheid.
Dis tyd.
@@davidvanderberg7000 die afrikaners is n volk, mense wat se dat die boervolk deur die afrikaners gesteel is se dit sodat hulle hul skuldigheid kan verwerp van enigeiets wat voor en na die boere oorlog gebeur het.
This is how intelligent adults conduct themselves. Bravo.
True. The antithesis of this is parliament.
What is inteligent about this noise . EFF is coming
@@philipbanda6637 to the foolish, folly is wisdom, and you are proving it!
@@philipbanda6637 Dream on
@@philipbanda6637 a Sheep following wolf into a trap.
Julius is using his followers for him and his family's wealth.
But if you don't believe me then start thinking straight ,then bring it on.
People saves themselves. Julius won't save you.
Grow your own peanuts (success)
Well said sir 🤝🏽
The only way white people will understand our struggle is if we put them into apartheid. Take all their houses and other assets. Exclude from education and employment. Put them in a camp and restrict their moment for centuries. Then we can have a conversation of BBE.
Ernst is awesome. Very intelligent man.
People need to listen to this!!!!!!!!!!
BEE was to empower blacks,only to find our later the coloured and Indian were not black enough,yet they played a big part in the struggle since way back.
It's good that he has the patience to tell these truths again and again.
So one day, they can show the world: we have tried everything, but they can't listen.
Their destructive ways are only leading to more corruption, crime and unrest.
The only sollution will be own land with own government (Selfbeskikking).
@Ellen Broh That is also what he wants for you my son, and such you have received, now please continue with your ways and be all you can be
Jy is snaaks😅😅
@Ellen Broh if it wasn't for colonization then you wouldn't have a phone in your hand. You would still sit naked around a fire while eating plant roots.
@Ellen Broh why do you think black people move from Africa to Europe ?
It's because they want a better government.
@Ellen Broh they are going to fucking kill you all. Don't mess with countries like them ,they will really just laugh and let their technology finish you of.
You should upload entire conference instead of only your responses. I however agree with you because I think we need less regulation in South Africa. Look up the success story of Shenzhen city (SEZ) in China.
Hi, it’s linked in the description, I think he uploaded only his parts, because it’s his channel.
Indeed or a link to a full discussion video
It is linked in the description.
@@siviwejongile1461 it is linked in the description
The only way white people will understand our struggle is if we put them into apartheid. Take all their houses and other assets. Exclude from education and employment. Put them in a camp and restrict their moment for centuries. Then we can have a conversation of BBE.
Intellegensie is iets wonderliks!
Dankie mnr Roets.
The best argument against BEE iv ever heard. Well done and for showing all that you can oppose something without being uncivil
I tried watching the 3 hour full video linked in the description. It's a waste though. Just listen to Ernst. It's the most intelligent part of the entire discussion.
Exactly the more we get away from government the better off we are.
Ernst tkx for your participation on this platform and the calm way of the presentation. And tkx to those in attendance
Take one very good look at Zimbabwe... it's the very best summation of BBBEE and where it leads. Destruction!! And yet we have a government that would rather employ Cuban Engineers to do work in South Africa, because BBBEE doesn't allow the employment of white skilled South Africans... if that isn't immoral, utterly counter-productive and RACIST then I don't know what is.
Dankie vir julle inisiatief en harde werk in hiérdie land! Vir die beter van alle mense in hierdie Land SA
I wish debates in government can also go down that smooth. Even though the people there had different opinions, the was a huge form of mutual respect towards each other.
This man has got the truth and only ignorance and arrogance argues otherwise!
Well done Ernst. So one person clapped. That's a start.
It's ridiculous that they think educated people will continue falling for their marxist crap. Eventually the poor blacks will unite with the poor whites and take back what is the people's..
Hope your well @VutZARco
@@Shack01 yup agreed. There is no self reflection.
Obviously tough crowd. I suspect most were there to pat each other on the back & talk about how they deserve more.
Ernst's debating skills are getting better, i'm very impressed
balls of steel! thank you for compensating for the rest of us! excellent
Uitstekend Ernst!
What I don't understand is how people, regardless of race, hear one thing getting said ("yes we don't want to be regulated") and the receiving person doesn't hear anything else... They focus on that and lose the argument
I always get mixed emotions when it comes to BEE. The idea behind the policy is sound, however, the implementation is flawed. BEE has made black people lazy. People just want to be rich without working hard. Imagine being promoted just by virtue of your skin not because you deserve it. All we truly ever ask for was for fair and equal access to opportunity. The rest is just bonus.
Yes sir. I agree with you.
Do you believe that equal opportunities lead to equal outcomes? I reckon they don't. What are your thoughts?
It's a great discussion when approached openly. I used to be bitter about BEE. I now honestly believe that BEE is now empowering "non-BEE candidates" of all other minorities to become more resourceful, and to network better amongst themselves. Yes, at times it can be frustrating, but for me, this is true empowerment. People looking after themselves economically, and not via means of handouts, which should only be selectively used for the empoverished.
True empowerment is in making education work, for all, which is the beginning and the end. From this flows entrepreneurship and industrialisation. The Government does not want either, which is by careful design by the way, to artificially keep people weak, compliant and dependent, so both labour and natural resources remain cheap. Simple. Protect this man Ernst at all costs. I'm black by the way, and a very proud African.
@@brandendeysel6506 outcomes will never be equal, which is fine. But opportunities need to be equal. Government should focus on excellent service delivery, ruthlessly punishing corruption and breaking barriers to do business. Less Government, not more.
The most level headed thinker of our time
I couldnt agree more - 100% correct!
Great dialouge - It's very good to listen and understand, so thank you for showing up and then speaking.
I am happy you were welcomed, which makes the conference that more special.
in this talk he revealed the whole truth!
I particularly like the level of respect and maturity both in the discussion and in these comments.
Thank you so much Ernst
Thank you. Lets all roll up our sleeves and turn 10 c into 20 c... The government will not do it for any of SA' citizens.
Brilliant, its a fact that BEE in South Africa is the key driver for the politically connected and the corrupt.
Ek dink dit is goed vir Jy om die president van Suid Afrika te wees
Thank you, Ernst and Afriforum, for continuing to try improve South Africa for ALL!
@Ellen Broh here we go again...
Hi Ernst, thank you for those factual insights, but where can we see the rest of the debate? I would like to hear the other speakers as well...
Well said Sir! Thank you for your sound wisdom!
The truth hurts
Awesome Ernst good job KEEP IT UP
When the BEE, racist political policies are ended and the market is allowed to freely grow you will see South Africa really start to bloom. Till then our economy will remain small, unable to provide work for its people and its people will continue to be poorly educated and will continue to suffer in poverty. We desperately need to focus on growing our economic pie so that all can eat well, versus the very rich eating the little pie that is currently left on the table.
Great words of wisdom Enerst.
South africa needs to put legislation in place to ensure all businesses use local companies instead of allowing the culture of using mass produced prefabricated items from china. We have to empower our people locally we need to support our own. You can drive through Sandton and notice on any development there are Australian and British companies overseeing huge projects. Put a mandate in place so that if someone buys land or operates a business in this country they have an obligation to use local professionals and local products. You will see how within a few years we will climb out of recession. We have skills and resources in this country, lets use it.
F*ck! Empowerment should equate to education. Educate people and they will be empowered. Government should be super focused on education which will grow opportunities and wealth. Not fixing education is disempowerment which is what we have now. Damn people - open your eyes. We all need to work together
After following American politics and public intellectuals, I'm very keen to see a very similar light pop up in my country. Thank you for doing what you're doing I'll be with you all the way
What do you mean by a similar light? That country is about to tear itself apart. Read Thomas Sowell.
you are an absolute inspiration to us all Ernst,
Is there a full debate of this available. If so please point me to it so I can see what the others said.
Also, I couldn’t find anything wrong with what Mr. Roets said. Reminds me very much of Jordan Peterson’s lecture title something like, The Marxist lie if white privilege.
Also reminded me of the DA’s new leader saying that one of their mandates is creating more equality of opportunities instead of equality of outcome. That alone is good enough reason for me voting for him.
Ernst Roets is one of rhe most intelligent persons I have heard speaking. He is articulate, intelligent and very very well informed. I would love to see him in a debate with Malema.
Maybe good in presentation of BEE but his bitter emotions will never withstand Malema in debate Roets will cry and we don't wanna see that please don't try
@@rosiematabane5292 Malema's emotions will get the better of him and then he will lose his temper. He is incapable of rational thought. His hatred of whites dominates everything he stands for. He will get eaten alive by Roets. Roets' explanation of the disaster that is BEE is on point and his assertion that people who rely on the government to get wealthy are dreaming. The ANC are a shining example of this disasterous thinking.
@@rosiematabane5292 Malema has to many hate inside of him. That's why he gets angry all the time. He's learning his followers to do the same. No country can run on stupidity like that.
@Ellen Broh Your hate is pointless. It only hurts you. We build together now, that was the point.
@Ellen Broh so you have been alive for 300 years lol dont talk bulshit most of the eff followers wasn't even born dearing apartheid they didnt had to follow that laws when they where born they had every chance to better there live my mother and father divorced when i was 1 my mother true me away wen i was 10 wen i was 16 i was out on streets working to make a living i was born in 1999 so im 22 years old now i didnt have apartheid benefiting me i started from nothing no money no house no car just my will to work and make somting better for myself in fact you had 140 laws like bee that gave you a head start so blaming it on the white people for your poor choices only proofs your low iQ you have to work for what ypu want not protest and get everyting for free and then say if somting goes wrong its the white mans fualt its your own fualt the car i own now i had to work 15 hours a day to buy the house i rent isnt free i have to pay to live in it i dont get houses for free you know stop blaming people for what happend to your father becuase your parent's doesnt need to have money for ypu to make somting of your self
Where is the full video
This speech applies also to the U.S. would it be possible to get a copy of this speech. It is really well written and to the point. Thank you.
Bank accounts charges are to high for startup companies!
There should be no charges for the 1st year to get the business going!
@@paulsteenkamp3762 Daar is baie opsies in daai opsig jong. FNB Bank Zero, Tymebank Business, ek is seker daar is nog.
BEE &BBBEE is not working... period. 🇿🇦🇿🇦
It is very true, how much poverty do we have on all cultures???
I am Afrikaner and I know many other people from many different cultures that suffer just as much as we do with everyday struggles.
It's not about race anymore, Politics is the real enemy in our story...
We can only achieve through education
Well done!!! Thanks!!!
Very open minded veiw of the reality of the our current situation we'll said sir.
In that one we agree. BEE benefited only the elites. The policy must be revoked for better and empowering programmes
Ernst Roets for PRESIDENT !!!!
Bars...bars...bars....let the truth set us free! Thumbs up Afriforum
Very interesting discussion, see rather the full discussion. Special the last part where he youth speaks.
Brilliantly presented and discussed. Very factual
Wow a beautiful discussion with beautiful facts = growth, hopefully
Well said Ernst
Measured by the exagerated laughter, I'm not convinced that your message was actually understood. I apreciate you effort and support your plight. Sad to see the slow progress. How can I make a difference?
Very well presented and totally true.
If BEE was so great, we wouldn't have one of the highest unemployment rates in the world. What Mr. Roets said were facts and facts don't discriminate and you cannot argue with facts unless you want the facts to be different.
EDUCATION!!!! That's the most important thing you can give anyone. We need to teach our children how to make money, give them education so they can better themselves with new skills instead of using drugs or joining gangs.. the more educated you are, the better decisions you make in life.
Yeung Yeung Ang read her research ...problem with bee in s.a. is lack of patriotism...lack of understanding that I am being helped to help others not just to enrich myself
Very wise words Ernst Roets...Thank you.
Well done Mr Roets. it seems like sanity is yet hanging on
Mr Roets thank you. BEE a hive of nonsense. So nice to hear the truth.
oh for more men like this in our country. men of every colour and race
Yes sir.
The is no BEE only GEE(government economic empowerment)
BBBE should be replaced with competence. Develop and train people instead of giving……
It might feel that he "poep against the wind", but slowly I do get the idea more and more people are embracing his logic, and the direction of the wind is slowly changing.
The direction of this wind will never change, it nice to have all on a silver tray spoon feeded to them.
@@siegfriedwurth5928 We used to think the Cold War will never end. Times change, often faster than we expected.
I'm a black South African and I believe bee a lazy policy, including how it was formulated. It is ill conceived and pathetically implemented, impossible to monitor and easy to find loop holes in.. all to the detriment of those it claims to benefit. The blacks and Afrikaners must unite in building self reliance, because we are both back under the thumb of the British and their Swiss bankers, who are enforced by the American Government and its arms... but.sadly, this is like stopping a train travelling at 1000kph towards a cliff..
The same goes for affirmative action.
The problem facing ALL South Africans is VALUE CREATION.
Simply put - hire someone because of the value they will add to a business.
What is value? .......... Value is something you produce , which other people are willing to pay money for , whether it be a service or product.
Can you imagine the outcry if we create a White Management Forum?
it would be labelled as white supremist
Ernst, you are addressing the beneficiaries of BEE
Ernest, ek begin meer op kyk na jou. Jy is so na my hart. 😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘
Skitterend, wel gedaan!
Dankie Ernst
If I was the president, as a Black person I would learn from ANC government success and from apartheid government success as well as from their failures and get rid of all the policies that is taking this country back especially policies around racial lines.
I would make sure that the ground is level for everyone to succeed according to how hard they work and how competent they are..I would employ competent individuals in SOEs regardless of their race, Basically I will make South Africa to be what Mandela dreamnt of, I doubt anyone in government right now have an idea of how to make this a reality