How Good Is Genshin's ARTIFACT FAST EQUIP Feature? (Genshin Impact 4.5)
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- Опубликовано: 17 май 2024
- Genshin Impact added an artifact fast equip feature in version 4.4, so I tried it out with a series of tests for both quick configuration and custom configuration. Can this new artifact feature be useful for new players, casual players, or veteran players? Find out in this video. #genshinimpact #hoyocreators #genshin
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0:00 Intro
0:30 How the fast equip feature works
2:40 Testing questions/objectives
4:50 Alhaitham
11:04 Yoimiya
15:29 Bennett
16:10 Xiangling
18:11 Group Test Round 1
22:40 Group Test Round 2
25:29 Observations
27:56 Can I recommend Fast Equip Feature?
Edited by Jekichuuu (find him on Twitter / jekichuuu )
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I wish it gave us the option of stating how much we are aiming for for a partiular stat ... like I want 200 ER on this. Gimme the pieces that come closest to that number. Thanks.
Yeah, to be able to set our own parameters for the stats would be a great addition to this system. That way it would be really useful for those with little knowledge about artifact builds as well as those that have a lot more experience with them
respect for unequipping your emblem pieces o7 thats commitment to science
Same reason why half is haven't built hyperbloom Raiden
Would never 😅
I kinda like that it recommends artifact that havn't been upgraded. It would help with finding which ones to build. It defo should have a toggle on and off though.
yeah man those flat subs artis looked great to level up
Yeah loved those hp% flat HP atk% pieces.
I'm glad you made this video. My first thought was "it could have been shorter" but then I realized a big part of the value here was seeing you extensively interact with the system and not merely give a final opinion. The content is a perfect match for this "edited stream" format.
15:53 "Has our thirst been knowledge been quenched?" Indeed I would say so. Thanks, Sevy!
Regarding the game's feature itself, it seems that the level of knowledge required to generate good builds is indeed lower than the level required to manually create builds.
It caters more to newer players, but not to experienced ones... the feature itself isn't bad, but that's just one part of the playerbase that benefits from it.
Hard to even justify a set you dont have good pieces on. I'd rather just equip them manually if that's the case.
the custom config is usually for people who has like 1500 maxed 5 star artifact people lol, helps with curating/sorting through useless artifacts.
"Newer" players have like 4 artifacts to manage - probably don't need a filter for that. The system actually caters to whales who have a trillion amazing pieces and can't decide between an extra 20% Energy recharge or 10% more Crit rate on their DPS
I promise, the feature itself is bad. Only better than nothing out of virtue of being something.
@@ch.7785 yeah, maybe, but again, it doesn't really consider player specifications either. It's more static than anything.
@@ezekieldevesa9676 thats why i said "help" rather than actually deciding for them. it just shows "ok, most def artis are out, now, its just between these 2-5 artis". At the end of the day you still need to manually pick which artifact, just no need to click on every single artis on your inventory. it's not much consodering clicking on artis and looking through them isnt really much work, but hey, a little bit of help doesnt really hurt here and there.
I think the lesson to take from this, is that using the system is better than not knowing what you’re doing and equipping whatever, but it’s worse than knowing what you’re doing. And to be honest, that’s exactly what it should be, I think expecting it to be as good as having actual gamer knowledge is unrealistic.
Already existing websites are able to generate the best builds using one's account's artifacts, given a certain set of conditions (team-wise, etc.). If they wanted to do something perfect they would have to do something like that, but what too complicated for casual players.
They should have just implemented artifacts loadouts smh…
@@Haglax honestly if you’re an experienced enough player to know how to properly use those websites, you’re just one step away from making your own calculator in Excel (what I did, I never used those websites). So I don’t think a whole ass team calculator in game is really necessary, just something to help players get a usable build is enough.
No one was expecting it to generate perfect builds. We were expecting it to let us save builds and then fast equip them later.
The reason no one likes this system the way it is not is because hoyo's gonna say "well we already have something similar to artifact loadouts, why bother making *another* system for that" and they'll use this current shitty system as an excuse to never give us what the players actually want
The problem is that this isn't what we wanted. Literally no one asked for this.
We wanted an option to save a build say Raiden Carry or Raiden Hyperbloom trigger, or Xinqiu solo hydro or Xinqiu with raiden and easily change all the artifacts with a button. Like in say Monster Hunter.
@@ruy7164 saying that no one asked for this is just not true. The casual players that make up like 80% of the player base absolutely needed something like this. They don’t watch videos like we do, they don’t optimize builds like we do, they don’t even feel the need to switch around artifacts.
Hoyo will always cater to the lowest common denominator, which is the casuals.
My experience with the function is surprisingly good. Most of the time what it recommends is not as good as what I have on the character (or at least I don't like it as much) but there are cases when it points out improvements I can make that are more complex than just switching an artifact for a better one. And I'm talking about the automatic function, I didn't even try to play with the custom one.
In my experience, what pays off is to have a stash of decent unused +20 artifacts so it has something to choose from.
As a Cyno main, seeing the recommended artifacts being Gilded instead of TF is painful.
I thought they were very similar?
@@BlueCrystalAnimatez Damage-wise TF was I believe only 3% stronger than Gilded, barely nothing. However TF gets the upper hind by significantly lowering Cyno's ER requirements with more Skill casts.
@@BlueCrystalAnimatezIn the Cyno mains subreddit, it's about 7% better with Fischl, Nahida, and Zhongli. His best team is generally Nahida, Furina, and Baizhu and the extra energy TF provides is even more valuable since you don't have Fischl's particle generation and double electro resonance. It allows you to build more EM, CR, and CD compared to Guilded.
@@markf.l.8001also its much more enjoyable to play. People choose Cyno's gameplay not for left clicking
I think the fast equip feature is pretty accurate honestly, most character I have built on my account got recommended the builds I already had on them for the most part but that may be because I already have the right stats on the right sets.
"Has our thirst been knowledge been quenched?" Sort of! I had been avoiding the Custom Config because it seems like a lot of steps to get a slightly off-target idea of what my characters need. We're also DESPERATELY in need of a 'save build' function, and I don't want to lose track of what I had on who. It seems from all the demo here that I can at least use Custom to get an idea of what the 'pure stats' best for my account is, and then I can target getting close to that with the relevant set bonuses.
tl dr: It's (Hopefully) the first iteration of this feature and they are (probably) going to improve it over time, but you do need some artifact knowledge to use it correctly, best way to use it is to do quick configuration, select the recommended stats or (the ones you know you need the most) if the build lacks something, or goes beyond adjust accordingly. and lastly check for alternatives to refine those details.
As a developer i can kinda see what they are doing here. First they filter the pieces to match the set, then they filter again to match the "recommended" substat and last they try to find the piece that matches the most substats. Probably after that they see which one is the worst piece and search again but without the set filter. And like we saw with your yoimiya if it doesn't find the full set it just goes rainbow (they should try to do the 2nd recommend instead, but oh well).
Going of on this, the main issue i find, like you said, is the fact that it want to force a set over good pieces, and if you don't have good pieces it's obviously going to give you trash.
Second personally i can't for the live of me get cr on my pieces so i almost always use cr circlet, but since this only takes the most used by other people sometimes it tries to give me a cd circlet and my cr goes down the drain.
Continuing the point above those builds that need er sands if not enough er substats or need em or atk/hp depending of substats/weapon the game doesnt care about that, it just takes the most common, that's probably why yelan doesn't have er sands recommended, cause prolly most ppl use fav on her.
Also (and this wasn't on your test) the algorithm doesn't consider set bonuses, cause i tried on my Neuvillete and it gave me 75+% cr so yeah i would be over capping by more than 10%, prolly the same would happen on a blizzard strayer set.
Lastly, when you searched for alternatives it gave you all the pieces cause you had not selected a set, if you choose a set it will only give you those set pieces (which is also not great if you want to off piece that one instead). And ofc it also just give you the main substat you chose.
nit picking here but at 26:03 and again at the last seconds, you said the AI, but this is just an algorithm not an AI.
I put it on the top but gonna expand it here. The best way to use this would be to use the quick configuration, and either match the recommended set or try the 2pc 2pc you want. Then match the main stats for the recommend or for your specific case (like you have and er weapon and em/atk is better for you, or you know you don't have high cr pieces so you go cr circlet). Once you done that you can see the stats it give you and chance preferences accordingly. If that is not changing enough, you can go to check alternatives and polish it yourself.
It is really good for a new player, at least from my experience.
A lot of times the reason i quit play some gacha games are their unit building, for someone who doesn't catch up with metas its really tedious to figuring out how to make a unit "useable", with something like this even for someone who dont really care about min max nor community metas, it really helps to make their favorite characters useable
The answer to the title is "not great, not good...just passable (sometimes)"
from watching what she did it did pretty well tbh, still getting quite comparable builds to a very knowledgeable player
Thanks. Saved me up 30mins of my life.
So it's bad.
@@AuGAlaN Yeah it kinda did. Too bad it won't be as much help to people that don't have many good artifacts yet and by the time a player farms enough of the right sets that have good enough stats, they would be knowledgeable enough to not use it.
Still fun to mess around with though. Got a few laughs when i tried it
@@Rpgroundnot really. For high AR player/veteran/meta players this isn't going to help. If your a casual player or new player, it can have its uses. thing is, the new/casual players need to know of the risks of using this tool because new/casual players sometimes eventually become meta players as well.
tldr: it can have its uses but online guides are still better
Hmmmm. Interesting lol. Thank you for testing it out!
If I have a ton of artifacts, it's like playing a bit of gacha within the gacha. I think I'll just use it to see if there are some usable/upgradeable artifacts before I send those to the recycle box XD
That's the thing..... I used gladiator and wanderers troupe for upgrading and the strongbox because I never really use those sets. Now the wanderer set is recommended for Tighnari but my choices are horrible because I never kept those.
Really enjoying the edits in this vid haha
I mean it's nice that we have some new features for artifact optimization but I'm still going to wait for Sevy's vids for optimal builds
Thanks Sevy! In addition to the nuances mentioned, I hope the AI is getting trained on the top 10% player builds instead of considering everyone (60% of players use this) assuming the majority are casual players. I really wish the real artifact load out feature comes out soon.
Yeah, that's kind of the big question mark here. Who is this actually collecting data from? If it's just everyone in general, including the people who use the tool itself, it's just going to end up in a feedback loop where most people use what the tool recommends so the tool just recommends what it's already recommended. That could be good but, as this video proves, it's just very general purpose and doesn't take into account stat balance or team balance (or maybe more importantly weapon and stat bonus results).
I like the idea of it especially for new players. I did recommended builds for Star Rail.... but even after playing Genshin for 2 years I struggle with getting good artifacts and don't want to move them around like that. I have some builds that aren't that great but they work. And if I start moving them around they may not work as well lol.
I really like how you tried to have an honest and objective view on it unlike a lot of guide makers I’ve seen who have been trashing on it since it’s announcement personally, I can see if utility but only for quickly throwing something together. If you want a really good build, you’ll obviously want to look a much more human approach.
My account doesn’t give much room for the algorithm, so the default fast equip gave me my manual build again for Fischl and Lynette. For everything else, it gave me enough artifact quality to beat a weekly boss but probably not all stars on floor 11 Abyss.
(My artifact inventory is low because I foddered almost all of it trying to upgrade artifacts for my AOE teams for this Abyss.)
I know this feature is not for me because I like sorting through gear and stats. (If you’re wondering how that’s possible, I also like city builder games and strategy games which are mainly numbers.) Fast equip would take some of the fun out of it for me.
People dogging on this feature but it's actually a good feature because it gives you the best artifacts if you choose custom configuration. The only downside is that you need enough good artifacts to truly use this Fast quip.
I think this system could get into account the weapon, so you should be able to include or change weapons and the system can recommend weapons also, so you can check like: Furina's build with the Pipe or with Jade cutter or Yelan build with Aqua S. or Fav. and most importantly: SAVE THOSE BUILDS and save your's before you mess up your sets, each character should have at least 3 sets of saved builds including the weapon, that's what I'm missing the most
Your videos are so important for me, as I really am interested in building my characters properly but I do tend to get lost in who needs what.... Thank you!!
I might be the only few ones that actually like this system. But I do hope everyone else get what they want though.
This feature works well if you don't share artifacts. Ofc using the custom configuration, not the quick configuration. Quick configuration is definitely only for new players.
I min maxed all of my characters for akasha using this system. It works well if you know the settings and have the artifacts for it.
As I saw from your vid, you don't even have enough 4 pc shimenawa to get the right main stats for yoimiya. But if you have more artifacts, and upgraded the good ones, it will prioritize the substats you prefer ofc.
I don't share artifacts so for me this might work well. I have honestly never played with it. lol
i'm ok with it too but that's probably because I have a lot of artifacts it can work with so it's actually given me some not so bad builds for what I have. i can also see how it could be improved but i think the initial version isn't too bad to develop more on.
Brought my wanderer from (akasha) 25% to 21% using this feature..
However it wanted to put gilded dreams on my childe
This thing is actually working for me, as long i have enough pieces for it to work with in my backpack. i pulled yae and put a 218-scored-2shime+2glad set on her for two years without bothering change it, today i just happen to want to try the auto equip, then it just bumped a 240-score-4-piece-gilded set on her. that shocked me.
Today I was looking at hoyo lab posts and people post "the most dumb thing they did when they started playing". I legit saw someone say they didn't know they could level up their characters and another didn't know they could level their artifacts. These kind of tools are clearly for these kind of people who keep getting killed by hilichurls in the overworld, which apparently there are a ton of them. There are more casual players than the hardcore players think, who don't care to do 2mil damage with one hit and only want to explore and have fun without getting killed.
People who actually care to build their characters correctly and get 36 stars the abyss will search a real guide.
As someone pretty lazy about artefacts and artefact farming at AR 60 i previously wrote the feature off, but i might actually give it a try now (especially for first few characters that i build with no idea what i was doing and that i never updated)
This is a great video! The issue with the artifact tool is that if you have a character built, you’re not going to want to take artifacts off of those characters to put on an incomplete character. Might as well just farm a set for every character and leave it be.
Honestly I really like this feature, it's really good when you have a clean slate character and your building it for the first time. Playing around this feature helps to see the bigger picture of my artifacts
Also I don't think this feature reads the weapons. It goes with the most used weapon for the character
I tried this with gaming when i 1st got him. It gave me some okay pieces, i tested him with those a bit, and adjusted some pieces later to my preference of ER and what not.
I hadn’t even looked into this feature myself til this video & now having played around with it for a bit, I heavily agree with your thoughts. They need to fine tune the Custom Configuration a lot more. It’s annoying that we’re required to select a main affix for sands, goblet, and circlet but it only lets us select ONE. So many characters can use at least 2-3 types of sands and circlets. And same with artifact sets! It only lets us select 2 but some characters can be run on 5+ set combos considering so many sets give 2pc Atk%. But then just not selecting a set leads to that free for all chaos of unoptimized crap. The weighting of substat affixes also needs a lot of work. Would be nice if we could optionally type in a range of ideal values we’d want on each stat.
Quick Configuration in its current state is pretty much unusable, even when giving it the benefit of the doubt that it’s only picking from pieces that aren’t already equipped. Tested it on both my accounts on Chongyun, and YIKES. Bad enough that it’s going for a freeze build of all things in this day and age (melt, burst spam, & full Noblesse support not even in the building), but on my main it selected an unleveled Atk% goblet & 82/129 crit ratio ON 4PC BLIZZARD. On my sub it’s trying for 2pc Blizzard 2pc SOJOURNER and another unleveled Atk% goblet but oh it’s a 3* piece 🤦🏼♀️
…Yah, think I’ll just continue sticking to the lovely guide videos you and other creators make for character build recommendations. Hooray for job security?
I was bored and tried to play around with my Frem to see if it would give him something different and the quick config really said "nah fam you good."
It gave me all of my frem pieces.
One thing possibly missed is that the Emblems 4piece bonus increases damage based on ER so i think it reaches a higher ER target
Sevy thank you a lot for making guides and other type of materials. I am sure everyone here loves your content. I prefer your vid over any other genshin creator cause you're not that "scream for attention WOAH LOOK AT THIS OMG!!!" type of person. Thank you once more for all you do for us ❤❤❤
My exp. with this feature so far lead me to these results (I havent watched the video yet will do after I finish this comment).
If you as a player are just starting out on AR 40-45 journey when you get the 4-5* pieces of the artifacts by chance if you're not busy lvling talents and char. Lvl, weapon and let's say you have basic knowledge on artifacts, stats, can read properly ect. You have your fav characters in a world team and you want them to work, you open RUclips, Google, anything about character builds you get the info from them that you need (made up stats for a example) 160% ER to be comfy with Burst spam, 80-100EM, CR around 50-60% and 110-120%CD to call you character some what invested in this made-up scenario. You can use this feature pretty reliably.
It will put the set you learned that this character of yours need, the stats are more than less comparable to the stats you got from YT/GOOGLE/APP.
You would be happy that your character is now invested you see the results of your dmg being better, game feels much smoother now, you have more fun. Yippe! Useful feature for newbie builders that dont want to put that much effort to building characters or are still learning the game or just want to enjoy the game and not compete with 36* Abyss solo C0 R1 Aloy 5 bilion CV 2 milion dmg per auto stuff.
Now. The other side. You're AR 55-60. You have mostly mid/high investment characters for 2-4 partys cause of abyss. Your artifacts should be relatively pretty good. You all you can do is fix some minor details on your character like rolling more max rolls on CR/CD EM ER ATK/% DEF/% HP/% you know all that.
At this point I would take some screenshots of them, see all of them on my screen think about them blah blah blah take 1-3 that are the best and test them out with other pieces. Too little ER? Maybe I can use that one piece that has 10% more ER but 2,7% less CR in total ect ect.
All you can do at high investment is minor changes not full build reworks unless you rly want to suffer all that rng farming again 😂 The feature will most likely not improve your character at this point cause at this point it's more up to your preference than "random bullshiet go" . Maybe you enjoy fishing for crits, work around less ER but have better nuke potential and stuff.
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Dude, this was so good, it made me laugh really hard at times, I hope it gets better XD
Thank you for this omg!! It's really useful
They could've just collabed with the Genshin optimizer creators and put a simplified version of that in the game but instead we got this.
I think is amazing for new players: they don't know how stats/sets works so it solves a lot of the problems to help them progress easier
It may not work for spyral abyss but I mean... that's endgame content, you kinda want proper guides for that
10/10 feature
I had some fun this past week by running the *[Genshin Optimizer]* with it's new _team loadouts_ function to fine-tune all my teams from zero (unequipping everyone and starting from the Abyss carries, then moving into the subs and finally equipping the supports)... and *THEN,* and only *THEN,* using the in-game custom configurations for the "benched" characters that I would like to use that day, _and_ only letting the game choose from the artifacts that are still unequipped; My "properly built" characters get the "following" heart on the character screen (boh in the game and on the Optimizer), while the rest stays without it. XD
I like that you decided to investigate this.
if you place CritR CritD EM on the primary stats, it will assume EM values as much as crit, which isn't your objective
EM should be on the secondary stats, with that it would probably recommend your current equipped set
I have enjoyed quick equip for building new characters for my friendship team, since they don’t need to be minmaxed, but the custom feature feels clunkier than just manually sorting the old way
I was surprised you didn’t spend more time on characters with alternate builds; quick equip always gives raiden a dps build and not a hyperbloom build for example
I find the custom artifact finder very good unless you need a very specific ER requirement (it tends to overshoot like 240% ER or 130-150%
I've actually gotten some decent builds generated out of it from custom. the quick equip I just use to slap on artifacts for chars temporarily until I get around to fixing their equips later so i've found it useful. but that's probably because i have a lot of decent artifacts leveled up for it to choose from. and yeah i can see how they could improve it like you said if it can also take weapon stats and bonuses into account and more variables.
i can see why some would want to be able to save set loadouts though if they have a several different builds they're trying out.
I got to the point I'm just rising good artifacts and letting it do the thinking, if you use the custom option and set it up correctly, it can give meta stats to various characters without needing godrolls, just make sure to equip the weapon first
I tried using the quick configuration for Xiao (I just got him instead of C2 Yae Miko so might as well build him) and it gave me a decent VV/Glad build (I never farmed Vermillion) with PJWS
Pretty much it feels like the A.I doesn't take account the weapons the characters use nor their activated constellations, they should definitely take that to the table in a new update, it would be better for everyone, new and older players that want to review their builds
I love so much you reactions they give me life 😭😭😭🙏🏼
And now you need to take a look at the new character rating/ guide feature 😂
It tried to make me level up my Yaoyaos standard attack 😂
Best way to test the quick equip is doing the feature and running abyss. Time it, and see what the difference is on your manual equip abyss run with the same comp
this. she just assumes that the ai build will be worse because it doesn't align with what she thinks is better.
It moved my Xingqiu from 79% to 40% on Akasha but in most cases it has not worked out as well.
I also use it to check if I am not fully utilizing the artifacts I have. The comparison window is possibly the most useful part of the system.
Just the other day it seems like a lot of people had Zhongli configured for DPS because it wanted to replace my goblet with a geo% and crit for hat from hp% in both case bit is no longer so that is interesting.
Wish they just hired the people behind genshin optimiser, or just build on that project themselves. It’s open source after all. Properly integrated into the game with an easier to use ui this could have been so powerful. I feel so bad for people who unknowingly fuck up their builds because they trust this tool.
I personally love this feature. You just have to play around for a bit. I was kinda hoping you would try the “Check alternatives” instead of relying on the AI.
My experience with the custom config has been great. I feel like your test with Alhaitham using only unequipped pieces would be what you expected.
I've seen a lot of outro joke videos and that was by far the best 🤣🤣🤣 the ad break was perfectly timed and nearly got me! 😂 Don't worry Sevy, they could give us the smoothest artifact equip tool and I would still watch your build guides. I legitimately rely on your videos to build my characters *because* you give situational advice better than anyone else I've seen ❤
Observations from my own experience: I'm helping a friend that is AR 37 and trying to teach him how to pick good artifacts. So we select the quick configuration and it picks the *most random* pieces with ideal main stats... because obviously majority of the player base isn't using beginner sets and he doesn't have AR 45+ sets. So I immediately threw those recommendations out to prioritize 2 piece/2 piece sets that would give better overall stats. That makes the fast equip feature useless for new players until they reach AR 45 and really begin the grind for good artifact sets and as you've shown is equally useless for players who already have established artifacts - which is honestly a very small window during which it's possibly useful *if* you're building your character the way majority of players already are. There's not enough nuance for builds like EM Raiden, etc. I was still hopeful as I'm a fairly new player at the beginning of my end game grind, but even I haven't found it as useful as guides like yours.
I don't understand why the community has been able to make an artifact optimizer but they can't implement the same sort of thing in game. I understand the nuances of different builds in different situations, but they could at least give me the best build mathematically against a hilichurl.
Yeh qwe got the fast equip but we got the humor and guides AND CONTENT from u sevy. KEEP GOING QUEEN
It helped me with a few of my builds that I haven't checked to improve in a while, but it also recommended me to downgrade some of my characters.
My Kuki had low 900 EM and no gilded dreams 4 pc, and it showed me that I could have 4 pc gilded dreams full EM and reminded me that I had a 117 MH flower. Now she's 998 EM 4pc gilded which is a nice improvement.
I wasn't aware that fischl's new BIS was GT since I don't play her too much as she's only C2. But after changing around her artifacts she went from top 27% on Akasha to top 11% on Akasha which was nice.
Now for the builds that... weren't so good.
It told me to take my c0r1 ayaka from 144 ER to 105.8 ER... and the build doesn't even do more damage either, haven't tried the ER substat priority though.
Also wanted my nahida to go from 56.7:180.6 Crit to 18.6:197 Crit for a moderate EM boost. She already has 660 EM which is enough for on field.
And lastly it recommended my XQ to get 250 less atk, and go from 50.1:133.2 Crit to 63.7:82.6 Crit but it Increases his ER from 202 to 204
Overall, probably useful for new players, and possibly useful for older players that have a lot of builds they haven't checked in a while.
I mainly use this to re-equip my Shinobu's artifact set (4pc FoPL) after temporarily giving it to Kokomi for Nilou Bloom. I still had to change the goblet every single fucking time because it kept trying to steal my Kazuha's goblet.
From my experience with the fast equip it’s better with older characters and builds my guess is that it has more data on them definitely doesn’t take weapons into consideration but I will say I have benefited from the feature when looking for pieces to roll due to its ability to find sub stats I think it’s definitely a good way to start a build or to find pieces to improve which helps after a couple days of artifact grinding just be careful with what set because it doesn’t seem to take into account set bonuses the best either so the new set that gives rate may build 80 crit even if the set gives 36 crit rate
What I'm taking from this is that it works purely on the numbers it collects from players and nothing else. No weapons, weapon effect, etc., which can work but there is also the matter of it feeling like I'm guessing the stats that I'm gonna get and that feels like a waste of time for me and it doesn't really teach me why those stats and this build works better than that other build or stat because there is no rational for what I'm doing. Another thing that I don't like is that I feel as though it doesn't take into account set effects which I don't personally like, even if it's just a two piece. I'll stick to manually equipping my artifacts and looking up guides as necessary, thanx.
I'm surprised but when I tried it for the first time, it somehow improved my Alhaitham's stats. Although it didn't give me much better results for others. And yes, I'm talking about the quick configuration.
Ofcourse you can change the way it behaves on custom configuration but I was surprised that quick configuration improved my Alhaitham stats.
Edit: maybe it did better because I've farmed enormous amount of gilded pieces and even leveled them up but haven't optimised my own build for Alhaitham for a very long time. But still I can say that it's helpful for some players in certain situations.
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For me, it is more fun to manually choose artifacts and then hunt if you need something and to avoid artifact sharing
The problems in auto build :
They would be able to quick config two teams , then distribute the better artifact to them .
They would consider weapon and constellation and bonus of 4-pieces .
Mixed artifacts looks be a difficult to AI to choose .
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I actually use it to build my characters for the abyss it wasn't that bad yeah it wasn't nearly perfect, but it works for what it's intended for which is really nice for new players and meme builds :)
Imo it is not as bad as people make it out to be. It rarely gives you a better build than the one you have already equipped, but in my experience it generated a full shimenawa set for my wanderer that was actually more effective than mine (2 pc gladiator + 2 pc vv). I mean, it’s an isolated case, but it’s better than nothing.
It was made for people who do not know yet and do not like to dive into game mechanics and builds, it never meant to be a Meta gaming.
Those build are enough to complete whole game, not the most effective way, but not many is chasing that anyways, Genshin is quite casual friendly game, so they are doing what they were meant to be used for.
P.S. - also forgot to mention that it recommends from artifacts play already have.
But I like to see similar system when we were be able to manually create own builds and save them, but anyway it is not hard to equip things manually when I know what I'm doing and why, so not really a problem, will be a nice feature, but not critical to have at all.
The thing that concerns me the most is that it doesn’t seem to take set bonuses into account AT ALL. Say you’re building a hyper Raiden, you basically HAVE to select Emblem as she kinda needs the ER to burst dmg boost to do big damage. If you just let it choose random artifacts that happen to have more crit, sure your crit ratio potentially gets alot better but it doesn’t compensate for losing the set bonus in some cases.
I use this tool all the time personally... I'm super casual though. I unequip all my artifacts except for the four currently equipped players. When they rolled it out, I went through each player with all the other artifacts equipped and locked artifacts as it picked them. Then for sets like Emblem I equipped a set on a user then ran the tool on other Emblem users and locked those. So I can have two decently spec'd Emblem users at the same time. I had a lot of 5 star artifacts that were unlocked after all that. They got cannibalized for other artifacts. I've been levelling all the locked artifacts as they get equipped on units I play. This ultimately allowed a bunch of my toons to become immediately useful rather than trying to build sets for every single player. I did the same for weapons (without the tool/configurator). I still work on trying to optimize sets for particularly adored players (full Gilded EM for Shinobu as an example) but it's ultimately allowed what I've wanted to enjoy the most about the game... playing with different team builds.
I'm really liking how everyone is shitting on it for doing 2pc/0pc or full 0pc builds despite the fact the community constantly parrots "sub stats > set bonuses". Reminds me of seeing complaints about the training guide allegedly not recommending crafted weapons people don't have when it absolutely does do that.
There seems to be a fair amount of garbage in, garbage out from the system. For example you expressed you didn't like how much it was lowering Crit for EM on Alhaitham, but it was told to treat EM as just as valuable as Crit by the user. But then when you started fine tuning your primary and secondary substat desires it started spitting out approved results. Which probably isn't ideal for a system that's supposed to help people without knowledge to determine they're feeding it garbage.
The Emblem tests started highlighting where high-end optimization is going to cause someone to diverge from popular options. A lot of people are going to be in the ER or Atk sands era of their Xiangling, so it makes sense it doesn't prioritize EM. EM is an optimization for teams that specifically Vape Pyronado but is absolutely useless in teams that don't. Meanwhile ER and Atk still work on those teams even if they're less good. With Xingqiu it likely isn't factoring in that you do in fact have C6 which massively changes the energy needs, but that amount of ER it suggested is correct if you don't (and eventually you came to this conclusion as well). The Beidou build that overcapped Crit rate is getting a ton of ER that it wants from the Circlet that happens to have some Crit Rate it no longer needs as far as I can tell.
What I easily gather from it is that it's very possible you can have a tl;dr section of a guide where you tell people what settings to stick into the Custom Config for it to attempt to generate them a build out of their gear. It also will likely benefit from them possibly adding "generic" set options. Right now it lacks a "2pc EM" option so it can see the 2pc/2pc Gilded/Wanderer's for example. Something tells me it doesn't quite know that 2pc Gilded and 2pc Wanderer are the same, and that it's coded that way because it's extremely difficult for it to quantify some 4pc set bonuses so it doesn't quantify any of them.
For new players as far as I know don't have to bother about sub stats too much. So, making the artifact set bonus a prority is THE way to do it imo. Remember, this feature is built for new players who don't farm anything. They don't have peices with good sub stats anyway. This is ment to be a good starting point, not an 'End Game' feature to 'Optimize' builds which I think they did it well. I've seen many comments in HoyoLab stating they started to care about building characters becasue of this.
Ate sevy, would there be an updated neuvillette guide soon? I just got him and the first one is furina wasn't out yet so building him with regards to furina makes it hard for me to make an "optimal" build focusing on what mainstat to use on sands/goblet with regards to weapon he's using and so on. TIA!
At this point I'm just resigned that I'll never get a good enough set to the point where I think I'm not gonna spend resin anymore on artifacts for the next few weeks. Every time they introduce something about artifacts, my immediate reaction is "meh." Honestly I didn't even remember that they were introducing this in 4.5.
Although overall it feels like fast equip isn't going to live up to expectations because artifact stats and character building overall just require a lot of nuance beyond just crit rate and crit dmg that leaving it all to what I'm guessing is an algorithm is too simplistic that anyone serious about character building would be somewhat annoyed with what this function would suggest. I mean there's a reason why Genshin builds can get very complex to the point where some players still tear each apart whether or not a certain build is better than another or what not.
I didn't even have an ounce of trust on this feature not until sevy demonstrate that it's actually decent (most of the time).
Its actually fun to test out which set is most viable to what you want... then see if the Generator can actually give you better...
Overall, the summary feature is what i valued most after seeing it in action because it lets you see the whole aspect of ur BUILD not just seeing the difference of 1 relic being swap out.
I think the main issue with this feature is... your artifacts are random. It doesn't matter how well this feature can build a character, if you don't have good artifacts, it just won't fucking give you a good build. All in all, it's a good feature, but it's being hindered by artifact rng system
Please could you test and share your opinion on the automatic locking functionality on new artifact?
playing for almost 5 months .. and Im bad with artifacts.. still learning.. and you are correct.. this would help us newbies a looooot! its better than adding trash or irrelevant pieces to your character..
This function is only good IF you just a new character (new or old), and you have not watched any guides on how to build them and wanted to quickly see what good relics you have your account for that character.
Years later and they finally start thinking about features that RPGs normally already have...
do you use genshin optimizer, sevy?
it'll be interesting to compare with this..
As a day 1 player I really don't think it's that bad of a system even for long time players. It compares the average stats by other players which is why xingqiu gets a lot of ER with the emblem set. I aim for 200+ with him to generate for other hydro units or characters as well. Emblem also gets a buff with the amount of ER but you can see different characters got different ER stats for the quick equip. It gives a general idea based on what people use but there's always preference. Like i prefer atk sands on Xiangling instead of em because i use her in teams that don't use reactions sometimes (like navia, Bennett, zhongli).
So it's good to check and to change yourself but the custom config is also more helpful. It let me compare my artifacts between characters and choose who to prioritise. Showing level 0 arts isn't too bad either as we can just swap that out. It was crazy that you got similar but obviously weaker stars with lv 0 artifacts sometimes though so shows potential for improvement as well. Hope they refine it further so we can set max percentage for some stats we aim for but currently very helpful for new players for sure. Maybe it would be as good as the genshin artifact calculator for maximum optimisation but i doubt that.
I've unistalled Genshin, but is always nice to follow Sevy's guides and reactions to the game " improvements".
I JUST commented on a short that it needed to be its own video. LMAO
so, basically a character stats optimizer...🤔
It undervalues crit rate, in my experience, yet is more than happy to keep stacking crit damage. I wonder if this might have something to do with most crit weapons essentially being behind a paywall, especially when talking crit rate ones. That this skews the player data it is based on.
Improvement-wise, I'd like the ability to have something between "steal artifacts" and "unused only". Like I'd like to be able to lock a certain character's artifacts, but leave others free to be pillaged.
edit: Oh, seeing you swap Yelan's weapon, that would actually have been another interesting thing to have seen: does what weapon you have equipped change the recommended artifacts?
I tried the quick config on my Raiden and it used the exact set I had on her lol
All people really wanted was to be able to save loadouts. If I move a character to a team where they need a different build just be able to quiclkly swap.
I swear Quick config is gonna be an abyss/ boss challenge video and i can wait for someone to do one
Ah.. so conclusion..
- If you know what you're doing, Then you dont need this
- If you dont know [or new], Then you might need this..
But, you can SOMETIMES find some hidden gems, or potentially okayge pieces.. that is if the stat upgrade is usable lel..
My favorite thing about quick configuration is when it suggests lower numbers for every stat. It's like they're saying, "this character is not really good, so downgrading it is a better idea" 🤣
Someone at Hoyo is convinced to only make Yoi a sub or burst dps because that first stat build is basically what they give her in trial runs.
how does it work with niche alternative playstyle characters? like, does it just ignore dps barbara or nuke bennet?
or since a percentage of people use those it kind of tries to figure out by filtering to their sets
I feel its kinda generous to call it "ai", since afaik it's literally just trying to give you the artifacts/stats that the majority of other players use. Problems come up if your constellations/weapon are out of the ordinary (c6, sig weapons, etc) since I imagine it's not taking those into account. Helpful for newer players, probably muddled for whales and vets. I'm kinda glad its not perfect, since I think the theory crafting for builds folks do is fun and interesting.
The title should really be "How Bad is..."
And the answer would be Yes
tbf, its not bad... when you already know what you are doing... which yes makes it kinda bad
It is not bad. Especially for new players.
It's not that bad
@@fazril7972 new players already had access to the Character menu which has a "Recommended" button for artifacts, stats and talents. It also shows material reqs.
If new players are blind, how are supposed to find this new menu that is way more cluttered and will only take them to the Character menu in the end anyways
@16:40 Even considering your weapon’s passive, it’s better to still have a higher crit rate than that. Below 50 is quite low for The Catch 😅
In Honkai Impact 3rd you can actually save the sets we ourselves made and replace them at a click of a button. But I guess the technology isn't there to transition this to the Genshin engine. Indie company - we have to be patient
it's a lost knowledge of the ancients
Small indie company, man. Hosting 3 games + developing a 4th one must be draining their bank.
I've played Hi3 for years and never used that feature xD I didn't even know it was in game until others told me but I don't really shift around equips on chars that much
@@Nameless422-That's the irony. Hi3 is a game where every character literally has a personal set that's their BiS and no reason to ever change (with very few exceptions). Meanwhile in Genshin you can basically use anything on anyone but no way to save the sets you come up with
220 ER isn't crazy for non-C6 xingqiu, so if it's basing ER needs off of what "most" players build, that stat distribution makes some sense
It's not bad and remember we all have different artifacts etc. So for what its worth, good job Hoyo. We no longer need to hustle on the social media streets anymore.