Notice that even if you somehow manage to get him pass the door, the next block is too high for you to carry royal. So the developer make sure royal die on that station
Poor Royal. When he tries, thing go wrong, and sometimes, that's not even his fault. He messes up a lot, but always in a good intention. To me, Royal is the perfect illustration of the expression: "Hell is paved with good intentions".
I don't think a choice in a video game has ever fucked me up like leaving Royal. The Boss? Sure that sucked for Snake, but I never really knew her. You spend the whole game seeing Royal slowly grow and it's cut tragically short
Well, as it's painful for the player to abandon Royal, he has to be an example of being crushed by one's own hubris. He's arrogant, he's egotistical and he's always in denial. Pride is his downfall, much like Magnus' from Warhammer 40k. Both are too prideful and egotistical to admit their own mistakes, always wanting to prove others that they're right or in the right. And in the end, it's them who bring it all upon themselves. However, we are able to sympathize with both, and it's because they both mean well. They both are loyal; Royal, to Robin, and Magnus to the Emperor in particular and the Imperium in general. They try to do right all the time, but then, everything blows up in their face. It's tragic beyond heart-wrenching.
StygianTraveler141 a tragedy is a pretty good summation of the game's plot in general. Robin's traits that are admirable in other Adventure games/Metroidvanias: a lust for adventure and a desire to help strangers, backfires entirely. Samus destroys a planet to save the Galaxy. Robin plays a vital role in nearly destroying hers
Erk1234567 I think Samus is driven by responsibility, whereas Robin is by self-obligation. I mean, Samus had to face a lot of different foes, and it’s not because she wanted to go on an adventure, for she’s the best at what she does: Kick asses and take names. Robin’s father died helping people; after his death, Robin felt that she needed to continue what he’s started. She’s the classic hero archetype, selfless, brave and determined. Not that Samus doesn’t have those, but she’s a different breed altogether.
StygianTraveler141 I was thinking more in terms of the player controlling both characters. You're right, Robin's traits are more classically heroic. A better comparison would be Link or Guybrush where helping others always leads to a beneficial outcome
the most interesting thing about royal to me was always that he DOES believe he should help the people he meets, his fundamentally good heart is clashed with as black accurately put it, him being badly raised. he doesn't even get rude until he feels slighted, and even then he does not just cause an explosion under mortal people.
God I hate seeing him fail his arc. Not only cut short, but he was too weak to complete it in the first place and you couldn't expect anything else from someone in that situation.
It just, feels so unfair..... seeing him go so far, and grow as much as he did, to see him just giving up on life all the way up at the moon... What gets me the most is he's just gone after that. He doesn't even get anything in the credits dedicated to him, except maybe a singular shot of the moon he died on.... I feel so bad for Royal.... :(
I've been told that if you aren't nice to Royal throughout the game, by picking mean dialogue choices, he sits on the opposite side of the rocket from Robin :( hurts just a little bit. And you know, I've seen the argument that Royal's death was deserved, and to a degree I understand why the dev made that choice thematically, but character development is not a straight line. Royal's lived this way for years, and nobody gets over the thought patterns that have been impressed into them since they were a child immediately. Wouldn't you also be frustrated if you went through everything he did, had your entire identity ripped out from under you, risked your life along with one of the few people who's ever been kind to you, only to be ignored *again?* I'd be frustrated too.
wouldn't have mattered so the feature wasn't available to use on him since what would you use to replace yourself when you have taken royal to the other side? Yeah , the dev planned that.
@@ozlmyasar4766 The detector on the left side is broken. The detector on the right side is the one that opens the door, but it's too far away for you to be able to walk through the door before it closes. If you were to use the usurper gun in this situation, you would inevitably trap Robin on the right side, killing both Royal and her.
Esta muerte me dejó tocadisimo.Royal desde el principio me cayó bien,pese a que fuese enemigo. De todos los personajes que hay,este es el que tenia los principios más transparentes, nobles y con un gran sentido del honor. Pese a que cayese mal su arrogancia y sus continuos aires de grandeza,al final verlo asumir sus fallos,es decir,su lado humano para que lo dejes morir... A mi al menos me entristeció mucho de como el juego te hace pasar esos tres minutos esforzandote en salvarlo para que al final eligas salvarte utilizandolo como un medio para escapar. Brutal este juego,sin duda.
I really feel like the final part of Royal's story would have been better if leaving him hadn't been this weirdly contrived 'but thou must' gameplay situation. I'm not saying he should have died in a cutscene or anything but the 'hanging panel' thing was silly. I found myself more angry that the game was arbitrarily stopping me from using the 'teleport to swap places with an object' gun that it had given me so that I was forced to leave him than I was sad about leaving him lol
What if you're supposed to wait until the last second, in the hopes that Royal would regain his senses in time to escape with you (like in Final Fantasy 6)? Or what if there's a way to drop down that ladder?
Hace tiempo que no me ponia triste por un personaje de videojuego. Royal nos ayudo en ciertas partes a lo largo del juego, pero llegué a pensar que en realidad me traicionaria por las situaciones en que parecia que nomas nos dirigía a la base enemiga, pero no. Lo que mas me dolio fue como al final termina su vida mientras lo intentamos salvar, sintiendo que arruinó todo y que solo es una carga para los demas. Y sin contar que ( en mi caso ) ya venia algo mal por la muerte del agente black. Sin duda es un juego maravilloso y se los recomiendo totalmente 👍
Lo malo es que en las batallas, casi no le dieron protagonismo, sólo sirvió en la primera batalla en donde participó, no me gustó que lo trataran de debilucho.
@@elblue7457 No sé nota mucho pero en la batalla contra la agente Negro después de que tú le bajas la vida el have un ataque que la deja débil para que puedas inyectar las semillas
@@Charlie-ne9xw eso no es todo, en la pelea de madre, a pesar de no tener nada de marfil, el usa todo su poder a disposición para evitar que la roca gigante que madre te lanza, te haga una instakill
How convinient. Robín could put the switch in his chest and walk throught the door, and Royald can resist bombs and some damage so you can use bombs in order to make him pass the boxes of something like that, this is one of these cases when something just happen because this is a videogame.
this choice made no sense when i saw it :S at least logic wise , she could have putted the plate inside royal's jacket or even made sure the panel turned towards him. Also have you noticed there was a ladder in the corridor ? My guess is that the developers DID put a way to save royal the hard way if u wanted by using the switch gun , teleport him to the other side and then using some sort of underground corridor to pop up where the capsules are but then cutted out the entire thing ... AND EVEN with that this choice still makes no sense because of the first solution. Good game but some points needed to be flashed out a little more
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Notice that even if you somehow manage to get him pass the door, the next block is too high for you to carry royal. So the developer make sure royal die on that station
Poor Royal. When he tries, thing go wrong, and sometimes, that's not even his fault. He messes up a lot, but always in a good intention.
To me, Royal is the perfect illustration of the expression:
"Hell is paved with good intentions".
I don't think a choice in a video game has ever fucked me up like leaving Royal. The Boss? Sure that sucked for Snake, but I never really knew her. You spend the whole game seeing Royal slowly grow and it's cut tragically short
Well, as it's painful for the player to abandon Royal, he has to be an example of being crushed by one's own hubris. He's arrogant, he's egotistical and he's always in denial. Pride is his downfall, much like Magnus' from Warhammer 40k. Both are too prideful and egotistical to admit their own mistakes, always wanting to prove others that they're right or in the right. And in the end, it's them who bring it all upon themselves. However, we are able to sympathize with both, and it's because they both mean well. They both are loyal; Royal, to Robin, and Magnus to the Emperor in particular and the Imperium in general. They try to do right all the time, but then, everything blows up in their face. It's tragic beyond heart-wrenching.
StygianTraveler141 a tragedy is a pretty good summation of the game's plot in general. Robin's traits that are admirable in other Adventure games/Metroidvanias: a lust for adventure and a desire to help strangers, backfires entirely. Samus destroys a planet to save the Galaxy. Robin plays a vital role in nearly destroying hers
Erk1234567 I think Samus is driven by responsibility, whereas Robin is by self-obligation. I mean, Samus had to face a lot of different foes, and it’s not because she wanted to go on an adventure, for she’s the best at what she does: Kick asses and take names. Robin’s father died helping people; after his death, Robin felt that she needed to continue what he’s started. She’s the classic hero archetype, selfless, brave and determined. Not that Samus doesn’t have those, but she’s a different breed altogether.
StygianTraveler141 I was thinking more in terms of the player controlling both characters. You're right, Robin's traits are more classically heroic. A better comparison would be Link or Guybrush where helping others always leads to a beneficial outcome
Erk1234567 Yeah, Link would be it then.
the most interesting thing about royal to me was always that he DOES believe he should help the people he meets, his fundamentally good heart is clashed with as black accurately put it, him being badly raised. he doesn't even get rude until he feels slighted, and even then he does not just cause an explosion under mortal people.
God I hate seeing him fail his arc. Not only cut short, but he was too weak to complete it in the first place and you couldn't expect anything else from someone in that situation.
It just, feels so unfair..... seeing him go so far, and grow as much as he did, to see him just giving up on life all the way up at the moon...
What gets me the most is he's just gone after that. He doesn't even get anything in the credits dedicated to him, except maybe a singular shot of the moon he died on....
I feel so bad for Royal.... :(
@@StarlitWitchyHis flower in the ens
I've been told that if you aren't nice to Royal throughout the game, by picking mean dialogue choices, he sits on the opposite side of the rocket from Robin :( hurts just a little bit.
And you know, I've seen the argument that Royal's death was deserved, and to a degree I understand why the dev made that choice thematically, but character development is not a straight line. Royal's lived this way for years, and nobody gets over the thought patterns that have been impressed into them since they were a child immediately. Wouldn't you also be frustrated if you went through everything he did, had your entire identity ripped out from under you, risked your life along with one of the few people who's ever been kind to you, only to be ignored *again?* I'd be frustrated too.
I still cant get over how Royal died...
And usurper gun swap function suddenly stops working , how convinient...
The usurper gun would have not done anything there. The left pannel was broken. Robin would have just been trapped there.
wouldn't have mattered so the feature wasn't available to use on him since what would you use to replace yourself when you have taken royal to the other side? Yeah , the dev planned that.
@@VladDascaliuc no the door would still be open since the detector on the other side would be activated
@@ozlmyasar4766 The detector on the left side is broken. The detector on the right side is the one that opens the door, but it's too far away for you to be able to walk through the door before it closes. If you were to use the usurper gun in this situation, you would inevitably trap Robin on the right side, killing both Royal and her.
this is why i hate getting attached to characters
it will take me a lot of crying and drawing to get over royal's death
:,,)
I want to see that draws please :3
You can definitely tell just like any one of us, that Indie James wanted to save Royal too no matter what. Right on brother. The feels man.
Same.
I gotta see footage of what happens when you decide to stay and die with Royal
Esta muerte me dejó tocadisimo.Royal desde el principio me cayó bien,pese a que fuese enemigo.
De todos los personajes que hay,este es el que tenia los principios más transparentes, nobles y con un gran sentido del honor.
Pese a que cayese mal su arrogancia y sus continuos aires de grandeza,al final verlo asumir sus fallos,es decir,su lado humano para que lo dejes morir...
A mi al menos me entristeció mucho de como el juego te hace pasar esos tres minutos esforzandote en salvarlo para que al final eligas salvarte utilizandolo como un medio para escapar.
Brutal este juego,sin duda.
A propósito pusieron 3 minutos solo para que caigas en la desesperanza de no poder salvar a Royal
DAMN. So there really was no way to get him to the escape pod?
Even if you could somehow make it through the busted door you'd never be able to jump over the big boxes in the next room.
He doesnt have any strength to move on at that moment so even if you carry him all the way, he wont come in
@@TheDancingBastard Then _blow them up._
15:16 so, that's the agent Black's backstory
I really feel like the final part of Royal's story would have been better if leaving him hadn't been this weirdly contrived 'but thou must' gameplay situation. I'm not saying he should have died in a cutscene or anything but the 'hanging panel' thing was silly. I found myself more angry that the game was arbitrarily stopping me from using the 'teleport to swap places with an object' gun that it had given me so that I was forced to leave him than I was sad about leaving him lol
Royal's a big child. He didn't deserve to be left on the moon like that.
"No."
"Yes."
*"I've got a bomb!"*
What if you're supposed to wait until the last second, in the hopes that Royal would regain his senses in time to escape with you (like in Final Fantasy 6)? Or what if there's a way to drop down that ladder?
"In the last second" and then die right after.
Hace tiempo que no me ponia triste por un personaje de videojuego.
Royal nos ayudo en ciertas partes a lo largo del juego, pero llegué a pensar que en realidad me traicionaria por las situaciones en que parecia que nomas nos dirigía a la base enemiga, pero no.
Lo que mas me dolio fue como al final termina su vida mientras lo intentamos salvar, sintiendo que arruinó todo y que solo es una carga para los demas.
Y sin contar que ( en mi caso ) ya venia algo mal por la muerte del agente black.
Sin duda es un juego maravilloso y se los recomiendo totalmente 👍
Lo malo es que en las batallas, casi no le dieron protagonismo, sólo sirvió en la primera batalla en donde participó, no me gustó que lo trataran de debilucho.
@@elblue7457 No sé nota mucho pero en la batalla contra la agente Negro después de que tú le bajas la vida el have un ataque que la deja débil para que puedas inyectar las semillas
@@Charlie-ne9xw eso no es todo, en la pelea de madre, a pesar de no tener nada de marfil, el usa todo su poder a disposición para evitar que la roca gigante que madre te lanza, te haga una instakill
How convinient. Robín could put the switch in his chest and walk throught the door, and Royald can resist bombs and some damage so you can use bombs in order to make him pass the boxes of something like that, this is one of these cases when something just happen because this is a videogame.
Maybe try the bomb on the switch?
I should have known that when the first word that came to mind was "tragic" I was about to get mugged of my emotions wallet
this choice made no sense when i saw it :S at least logic wise , she could have putted the plate inside royal's jacket or even made sure the panel turned towards him.
Also have you noticed there was a ladder in the corridor ? My guess is that the developers DID put a way to save royal the hard way if u wanted by using the switch gun , teleport him to the other side and then using some sort of underground corridor to pop up where the capsules are but then cutted out the entire thing ... AND EVEN with that this choice still makes no sense because of the first solution. Good game but some points needed to be flashed out a little more
who cares its a thematic point not a logic puzzle to cinemasins out
Just when the death of blake wasn't enough bum they make you left behind royal on the moon
wats naim of music???
"Royalty"
Name
noooooooooo
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